[opensuse] Re: Partitioning problem in installing oS v11.1
Stan Goodman a écrit :
Explained in a previous message. You are cnnfusing "Boot Manager" and "Boot Loader".
we desagreee. Grub and lilo can perfectly boot any OS on you disk and don't need any special partition. You can also boot linux from windows (it's enough to point to the kernel, details are irrelevant now)
I will install another OS at a later time.
where/how? you can't make more than two more partition, the two remaining primaries. To do what you want, you should give the extended *all the disk*, so then you can create nearly any number of partitions to accomodate any number of operating systems. primary partition can be only 4 (extended included).
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think I have a second extended partition, and I don't see any sda3 or sda4 in the fdisk table I sent you. They are fictions. The question of sharing Swap doesn't arrive now; it will when I install additional OS(s).
didn't you quote YaST installer, with 160Go partitions? it's there that sda3 and 4 could have been used
I also don't see that the installer tried to use the free space. The free space is at the end of the disk, whereas it has deluded itself into finding it near the beginning.
doesn't matter. As long as the free space is contiguous, it can be anywhere on the disk
Good guess for YaST
That goes over my head. Would you please explain it?
You quoted the YaST installer. It found the free space and made a proposal accordingly, leaving the previous partitions untouched jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
jdd-gmane wrote:
Good guess for YaST
That goes over my head. Would you please explain it?
You quoted the YaST installer. It found the free space and made a proposal accordingly, leaving the previous partitions untouched
Exactly. There is no fiction involved, the partitioner is just making a _proposal_ of how you could use the unallocated space to install openSUSE. Mystery solved. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At 19:08:33 on Friday Friday 02 October 2009, "<jdd-gmane>"
Stan Goodman a écrit :
Explained in a previous message. You are cnnfusing "Boot Manager" and "Boot Loader".
we desagreee. Grub and lilo can perfectly boot any OS on you disk and don't need any special partition. You can also boot linux from windows (it's enough to point to the kernel, details are irrelevant now)
I will install another OS at a later time.
where/how? you can't make more than two more partition, the two remaining primaries.
So far, the only primary on the system is the Boot Manager, all the rest are logical. If I install other OS(s), its/their partitions will also be logical.
To do what you want, you should give the extended *all the disk*, so then you can create nearly any number of partitions to accomodate any number of operating systems. primary partition can be only 4 (extended included).
I did not set the size of the extended partition explictly. Once the Boot Manager primary partition was made, I simply continued to add successive logical partitions one after another. Evidently DFSee knows how to expand the extended partition accordingly. With each additional partition, by the way, I also have the option of choosing to place the new partition at the start or the end of the free space. If there are several free spaces, I also get to choose which one. Apparently DFSee is quite versatile.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think I have a second extended partition, and I don't see any sda3 or sda4 in the fdisk table I sent you. They are fictions. The question of sharing Swap doesn't arrive now; it will when I install additional OS(s).
didn't you quote YaST installer, with 160Go partitions? it's there that sda3 and 4 could have been used
But I have already showed that there are no sda3 or sda4. They are figments of a diseased BIOS (if not of the installer, which I doubt). They don't exist. You saw the fdisk table.
I also don't see that the installer tried to use the free space. The free space is at the end of the disk, whereas it has deluded itself into finding it near the beginning.
doesn't matter. As long as the free space is contiguous, it can be anywhere on the disk
Good guess for YaST
That goes over my head. Would you please explain it?
You quoted the YaST installer. It found the free space and made a proposal accordingly, leaving the previous partitions untouched
Are you saying that the installer wants to put sda6 and sda7 near the beginning of the disk, and only later its fictitious sda3 and sda4? I am getting dizzy again. Right now, I am about to try to install on sda6 and sda7. We will see how that turns out. Whether it works or not, I am going to have a long corresondence with Dell about the BIOS, which I think is truly crapped up. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Stan Goodman wrote:
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think I have a second extended partition, and I don't see any sda3 or sda4 in the fdisk table I sent you. They are fictions. The question of sharing Swap doesn't arrive now; it will when I install additional OS(s).
didn't you quote YaST installer, with 160Go partitions? it's there that sda3 and 4 could have been used
But I have already showed that there are no sda3 or sda4. They are figments of a diseased BIOS (if not of the installer, which I doubt). They don't exist. You saw the fdisk table.
Stan, they are PROPOSED partitions. They don't exist YET. As jdd pointed out, your sda1+sda2 partition does not occupy the entire disk, so when YaST comes along to try to automatically propose a partitioning scheme, it doesn't touch whatever you've got allocated, instead it tries to use the unallocated/unpartitioned space. My last posting in this saga - I'm beginning to doubt if you're actually reading what everyone is writing. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At 20:16:32 on Friday Friday 02 October 2009, Per Jessen
Stan Goodman wrote:
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think I have a second extended partition, and I don't see any sda3 or sda4 in the fdisk table I sent you. They are fictions. The question of sharing Swap doesn't arrive now; it will when I install additional OS(s).
didn't you quote YaST installer, with 160Go partitions? it's there that sda3 and 4 could have been used
But I have already showed that there are no sda3 or sda4. They are figments of a diseased BIOS (if not of the installer, which I doubt). They don't exist. You saw the fdisk table.
Stan, they are PROPOSED partitions. They don't exist YET. As jdd pointed out, your sda1+sda2 partition does not occupy the entire disk, so when YaST comes along to try to automatically propose a partitioning scheme, it doesn't touch whatever you've got allocated, instead it tries to use the unallocated/unpartitioned space.
Please see the message I posted a few minutes ago, showing the arrangement thatthe installer made during installation. It added its own three partitions, overlapping the ones that I approved. It told me it was going to do that, and there was not way to stop it.
My last posting in this saga - I'm beginning to doubt if you're actually reading what everyone is writing.
I'm sincerely very sorry you feel that way, and hope you will change our mind.. Of course I have read every message in the thread, including yours. At the same time, I am interleaving the reading with trying to manipulate what I see. I appreciate every remark, and have responded to nearly every one.
/Per
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On 2009/10/02 23:23 (GMT+0200) Stan Goodman composed:
Please see the message I posted a few minutes ago, showing the arrangement thatthe installer made during installation. It added its own three partitions, overlapping the ones that I approved. It told me it was going to do that, and there was not way to stop it.
Oh yes there was! Exit automatic partitioning by going back without saving anything, and select advanced/expert partitioning. Then you could have specified how to format and mount the partitions you created with DFSee, and no new partitions would have been created anywhere. -- " A patriot without religion . . . is as great a paradox, as an honest man without the fear of God. . . . 2nd U.S. President, John Adams Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At 02:24:15 on Saturday Saturday 03 October 2009, Felix Miata
On 2009/10/02 23:23 (GMT+0200) Stan Goodman composed:
Please see the message I posted a few minutes ago, showing the arrangement thatthe installer made during installation. It added its own three partitions, overlapping the ones that I approved. It told me it was going to do that, and there was not way to stop it.
Oh yes there was! Exit automatic partitioning by going back without saving anything, and select advanced/expert partitioning. Then you could have specified how to format and mount the partitions you created with DFSee, and no new partitions would have been created anywhere.
Ach! But in the end, there was no problem in deleting them.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2009-10-02 at 19:54 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:
where/how? you can't make more than two more partition, the two remaining primaries.
So far, the only primary on the system is the Boot Manager, all the rest are logical. If I install other OS(s), its/their partitions will also be logical.
Not true. You wrote this table: Device Boot Start End Blocks ID System /dev/sda1 * 1 1 8001 a OS/2 Boot Manager /dev/sda2 2 9479 76132035 5 Extended /dev/sda5 2 271 2168743 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda6 272 4238 31684896 83 Linux /dev/sda7 4239 9479 42098301 83 Linux There are two primaries there: sda2 is also a primary. A manual partitioner, such as fdisk, can now only create two more partitions, sda3 and 4. No more. It is possible to extend sda2, then add inside sda8, 9, 10, etc. But that is usually a manual and dangerous operation. Some partitioners handle that situation automatically, perhaps dfsee.
But I have already showed that there are no sda3 or sda4. They are figments of a diseased BIOS (if not of the installer, which I doubt). They don't exist. You saw the fdisk table.
No, they are the proposed scheme the suse installer made. Not yet written. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrHL1UACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UG3ACgkjCteFN0ZOtSGAmMTYamPpDS EXoAnjZiUF/BVkp2smhqBqrorPd7J1BW =fcjM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
At 13:02:44 on Saturday Saturday 03 October 2009, "Carlos E. R."
On Friday, 2009-10-02 at 19:54 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:
where/how? you can't make more than two more partition, the two remaining primaries.
So far, the only primary on the system is the Boot Manager, all the rest are logical. If I install other OS(s), its/their partitions will also be logical.
Not true.
You wrote this table:
Device Boot Start End Blocks ID System /dev/sda1 * 1 1 8001 a OS/2 Boot Manager /dev/sda2 2 9479 76132035 5 Extended /dev/sda5 2 271 2168743 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda6 272 4238 31684896 83 Linux /dev/sda7 4239 9479 42098301 83 Linux
There are two primaries there: sda2 is also a primary.
This is true. But I never asked for sda3 and sda4, let alone wished for any additional primary partitions. And after the installation finished, I deleted those two.
A manual partitioner, such as fdisk, can now only create two more partitions, sda3 and 4. No more. It is possible to extend sda2, then add inside sda8, 9, 10, etc. But that is usually a manual and dangerous operation. Some partitioners handle that situation automatically, perhaps dfsee.
It does, transparently.
But I have already showed that there are no sda3 or sda4. They are figments of a diseased BIOS (if not of the installer, which I doubt). They don't exist. You saw the fdisk table.
No, they are the proposed scheme the suse installer made. Not yet written.
And now they are gone, in Partition Heaven. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/10/03 13:02 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:
A manual partitioner, such as fdisk, can now only create two more partitions, sda3 and 4. No more. It is possible to extend sda2, then add inside sda8, 9, 10, etc. But that is usually a manual and dangerous operation. Some partitioners handle that situation automatically, perhaps dfsee.
Had you read my Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:22:04 -0400 post in this thread you should know that it does. Partitioners that don't handle that situation automatically are unnecessarily crude. The distinction between primary and extended for unused space beyond the end of allocated logicals is an unnecessary and confusing construct. -- " A patriot without religion . . . is as great a paradox, as an honest man without the fear of God. . . . 2nd U.S. President, John Adams Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/10/02 19:08 (GMT+0200) <jdd-gmane> composed:
To do what you want, you should give the extended *all the disk*, so then you can create nearly any number of partitions to accomodate any number of operating systems. primary partition can be only 4 (extended included).
He uses DFSee for partitioning. Unlike some other partitioners, it has no separate step in volved for sizing the extended. The extended is automatically extended as necessary by DFSee when creating another logical partition in freespace adjoining the current specification of the extended. -- " A patriot without religion . . . is as great a paradox, as an honest man without the fear of God. . . . 2nd U.S. President, John Adams Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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