Hi SuSE people,, Way OT, but what the heck I'm looking for a Linux solution. My kids gave me an MP3 player for Christmas to use when I go for my daily walks. Old guys need exercise you know. So my question is what is the best program to convert my huge collection of music CD's to MP3 format so that I can load the music on the MP3 player. All suggestions welcome. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Bob S wrote:
Hi SuSE people,,
Way OT, but what the heck I'm looking for a Linux solution.
My kids gave me an MP3 player for Christmas to use when I go for my daily walks. Old guys need exercise you know.
So my question is what is the best program to convert my huge collection of music CD's to MP3 format so that I can load the music on the MP3 player.
I like grip for that myself - Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 January 2008 05:33:13 Joe Sloan wrote:
Bob S wrote:
So my question is what is the best program to convert my huge collection of music CD's to MP3 format so that I can load the music on the MP3 player.
I like grip for that myself -
Joe
Grip for me too... -- Kind Regards, Ritchie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ritchie Fraser Web: http://www.rpfraser.uklinux.net Registered Linux User #255860
On Thursday 03 January 2008, Joe Sloan wrote:
Bob S wrote:
Hi SuSE people,,
Way OT, but what the heck I'm looking for a Linux solution.
My kids gave me an MP3 player for Christmas to use when I go for my daily walks. Old guys need exercise you know.
So my question is what is the best program to convert my huge collection of music CD's to MP3 format so that I can load the music on the MP3 player.
I like grip for that myself -
Joe
Grip gets my vote (althou i am an KDE user grip is the best) Pete . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 08:57 +0000, peter nikolic wrote:
On Thursday 03 January 2008, Joe Sloan wrote:
Bob S wrote:
Hi SuSE people,,
Way OT, but what the heck I'm looking for a Linux solution.
My kids gave me an MP3 player for Christmas to use when I go for my daily walks. Old guys need exercise you know.
So my question is what is the best program to convert my huge collection of music CD's to MP3 format so that I can load the music on the MP3 player.
I like grip for that myself -
Joe
Grip gets my vote (althou i am an KDE user grip is the best)
While I agree totally on 'grip', this is NOT a "me too" post ;-) I want to point out that it has not been mentioned that you need a live net connection when ripping to do a cddb lookup and get artist/track names when converting to mp3. This may not have been realised by original poster given the nature of his question. Gavin. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 January 2008, Gavin Chester wrote:
On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 08:57 +0000, peter nikolic wrote:
On Thursday 03 January 2008, Joe Sloan wrote:
Bob S wrote:
Hi SuSE people,,
Way OT, but what the heck I'm looking for a Linux solution.
My kids gave me an MP3 player for Christmas to use when I go for my daily walks. Old guys need exercise you know.
So my question is what is the best program to convert my huge collection of music CD's to MP3 format so that I can load the music on the MP3 player.
I like grip for that myself -
Joe
Grip gets my vote (althou i am an KDE user grip is the best)
While I agree totally on 'grip', this is NOT a "me too" post ;-)
I want to point out that it has not been mentioned that you need a live net connection when ripping to do a cddb lookup and get artist/track names when converting to mp3. This may not have been realised by original poster given the nature of his question.
Gavin.
Yes while it does make life a little easier for you if you have a live CDDB lookup there is nothing stopping you entering the data yourself before you actually rip the CD i have had to do that a few times with some of the more obscure CD's i have in my collection .. Pete . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 January 2008 10:55, peter nikolic wrote:
there is nothing stopping you entering the data yourself before you actually rip the CD i have had to do that a few times with some of the more obscure CD's i have in my collection I always enter the data myself. I can abbrev any way I want to, and it saves int access and editing. Besides, as noted above, so much of the CD world is not on the database... <sigh> -- Kind regards,
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peter nikolic a écrit :
Yes while it does make life a little easier for you if you have a live CDDB lookup there is nothing stopping you entering the data yourself before you actually rip the CD i have had to do that a few times with some of the more obscure CD's i have in my collection ..
and doing so it's better to be connected to update the online database :-)) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 January 2008 11:55:12 am peter nikolic wrote:
On Thursday 03 January 2008, Gavin Chester wrote:
On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 08:57 +0000, peter nikolic wrote: H> > > > Bob S wrote:
Hi SuSE people,,
Way OT, but what the heck I'm looking for a Linux solution. ........<snipsome stuff>...........Hello everybody,
Grip gets my vote (althou i am an KDE user grip is the best)
While I agree totally on 'grip', this is NOT a "me too" post ;-)
I want to point out that it has not been mentioned that you need a live net connection when ripping to do a cddb lookup and get artist/track names when converting to mp3. This may not have been realised by original poster given the nature of his question.
Gavin.
Yes while it does make life a little easier for you if you have a live CDDB lookup there is nothing stopping you entering the data yourself before you actually rip the CD i have had to do that a few times with some of the more obscure CD's i have in my collection ..
Pete . Hello everybody. Quite a thread I started here. Dozens of viewpoints I guess.
After I heard all of the comments I decided that I would try grip. Installed it and seems quite complete. Trouble is i cannot make it work. When I try to encode and rip to mp3 I get a message that says, Invalid encoder file and I should make sure that I have the full path to mp3encode. Trouble is I don't seem to have that file after checking with locate and whereis. If I try to encode to ogg vorbis I get a message 5unlock failed. Same thing if I try flac. Any help here from grip users please? Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Bob S wrote:
If I try to encode to ogg vorbis I get a message 5unlock failed. Same thing if I try flac.
Any help here from grip users please?
How odd - I use grip but I've never seen messages like those. Do you in fact have an ogg vorbis and a flac encoder installed? Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 05 January 2008 01:48:40 am Joe Sloan wrote:
Bob S wrote:
If I try to encode to ogg vorbis I get a message 5unlock failed. Same thing if I try flac.
Any help here from grip users please?
How odd - I use grip but I've never seen messages like those. Do you in fact have an ogg vorbis and a flac encoder installed?
Joe
Hi Joe, Well,,,,,,I got around it..sort of....Using lame to encode to mp3....but not really happy with the results. But at least i can encode the mp3. Guess I will try my hand at joining the grip list as JB2 suggested. No mp3encode to be found anywhere. As per the ogg vorbis, yes, I have an ogg123, and a oggdec and a oggenc in my /usr/bin. But when I tried today, all of a sudden they encoded to ogg, but will not play in the mp3 player. Oh well, it is after all, an mp3 player. As per flac, I have a flac binary but that is all. Don't know if I need an encode or decode for it but am not going to worry about it. Really don't need it Thanks for your interest. Maybe someone else can tell me how to get my hands on mp3encode. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat 05 January 08 00:28, Bob S wrote:
After I heard all of the comments I decided that I would try grip. Installed it and seems quite complete. Trouble is i cannot make it work. When I try to encode and rip to mp3 I get a message that says, Invalid encoder file and I should make sure that I have the full path to mp3encode. Trouble is I don't seem to have that file after checking with locate and whereis.
If I try to encode to ogg vorbis I get a message 5unlock failed. Same thing if I try flac.
You should also get on the grip mailing list. It's very low volume, but things usually get answered quickly and to everyones satsisfaction: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/grip-users> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, January 2, 2008 9:35 pm, Bob S wrote:
Hi SuSE people,,
Way OT, but what the heck I'm looking for a Linux solution.
Of course it is OT. All questions - especially ones involving music, beer or haxx0r ch1xx0rz are on topic.
My kids gave me an MP3 player for Christmas to use when I go for my daily walks. Old guys need exercise you know.
So my question is what is the best program to convert my huge collection of music CD's to MP3 format so that I can load the music on the MP3 player.
It is a little out dated, but i hope it helps... How to Rip a CD with KAudioCreator http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/27 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Bob S wrote:
Hi SuSE people,,
Way OT, but what the heck I'm looking for a Linux solution.
My kids gave me an MP3 player for Christmas to use when I go for my daily walks. Old guys need exercise you know.
So my question is what is the best program to convert my huge collection of music CD's to MP3 format so that I can load the music on the MP3 player.
Many MP3 players will also play .ogg files. While both .ogg and .mp3 are lossy compression formats, experiential testing indicates that .ogg has a percievably better signal-t-noise ration than .mp3 files at identical bit rates. So, convert a song to .ogg first, and see if your MP3 player can play that, too. If so, then I would advise using .ogg format. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi SuSE people,,
Way OT, but what the heck I'm looking for a Linux solution.
My kids gave me an MP3 player for Christmas to use when I go for my daily walks. Old guys need exercise you know.
So my question is what is the best program to convert my huge collection of music CD's to MP3 format so that I can load the music on the MP3 player.
All suggestions welcome.
Bob S Konqueror do that natively - setup the mp3 values in the kde control
Bob S a écrit : center and open the cd (it should ask when introducing the cd), you can extract with any know format (wav, ogg, mp3...) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2008 06:35:22 schrieb Bob S:
Hi SuSE people,,
So my question is what is the best program to convert my huge collection of music CD's to MP3 format so that I can load the music on the MP3 player.
No need to convert. I haven't checked all my CDs but it seems that an audio CD comes with MP3 and ogg-files for ready use. Just open it in konqueror and choose the appropriate folder. Guido -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Guido Pinkernell wrote:-
No need to convert.
I haven't checked all my CDs but it seems that an audio CD comes with MP3 and ogg-files for ready use. Just open it in konqueror and choose the appropriate folder.
That's because Konqueror will perform the conversion automatically, not because the CDs actually have both MP3 and OGG files on them. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit | openSUSE 10.3 32bit | openSUSE 11.0a0 SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit | openSUSE 10.3 64bit RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC |RISC OS 3.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Guido Pinkernell a écrit :
I haven't checked all my CDs but it seems that an audio CD comes with MP3 and ogg-files for ready use. Just open it in konqueror and choose the appropriate folder.
of course not :-)) these folders are fakes Konqueror uses to allow conversion :-)) but like this one can copy/paste mp3, wav and ogg jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2008 10:47:28 schrieb jdd:
Guido Pinkernell a écrit :
I haven't checked all my CDs but it seems that an audio CD comes with MP3 and ogg-files for ready use. Just open it in konqueror and choose the appropriate folder.
of course not :-)) these folders are fakes Konqueror uses to allow conversion :-))
what?? this is new to me - i mean i thought they were real! This explains why it takes ages to copy an ogg folder to a server harddisk for backup. boy I did learn something here - thanks for clearing that up. Guido -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Guido Pinkernell a écrit :
Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2008 10:47:28 schrieb jdd:
Guido Pinkernell a écrit :
I haven't checked all my CDs but it seems that an audio CD comes with MP3 and ogg-files for ready use. Just open it in konqueror and choose the appropriate folder. of course not :-)) these folders are fakes Konqueror uses to allow conversion :-))
what?? this is new to me - i mean i thought they were real!
This explains why it takes ages to copy an ogg folder to a server harddisk for backup.
boy I did learn something here - thanks for clearing that up.
Guido don't worry, you are not the first :-)). I made years to learn than one could setup the mp3 format from the control center
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On Thu, January 3, 2008 2:15 am, jdd wrote:
Guido Pinkernell a écrit :
Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2008 10:47:28 schrieb jdd:
Guido Pinkernell a écrit :
I haven't checked all my CDs but it seems that an audio CD comes with MP3 and ogg-files for ready use. Just open it in konqueror and choose the appropriate folder. of course not :-)) these folders are fakes Konqueror uses to allow conversion :-))
what?? this is new to me - i mean i thought they were real!
This explains why it takes ages to copy an ogg folder to a server harddisk for backup.
boy I did learn something here - thanks for clearing that up.
Guido don't worry, you are not the first :-)). I made years to learn than one could setup the mp3 format from the control center
I had no idea. Gonna try this tomorrow. -- k -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
PerfectReign a écrit :
don't worry, you are not the first :-)). I made years to learn than one could setup the mp3 format from the control center
I had no idea.
go to "sound" "audio cd" mp3 tag jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 11:08 +0100, Guido Pinkernell wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2008 10:47:28 schrieb jdd:
Guido Pinkernell a écrit :
I haven't checked all my CDs but it seems that an audio CD comes with MP3 and ogg-files for ready use. Just open it in konqueror and choose the appropriate folder.
of course not :-)) these folders are fakes Konqueror uses to allow conversion :-))
what?? this is new to me - i mean i thought they were real!
This explains why it takes ages to copy an ogg folder to a server harddisk for backup.
boy I did learn something here - thanks for clearing that up.
I assume you are being sarcastic :) Or? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Guido Pinkernell wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2008 06:35:22 schrieb Bob S:
Hi SuSE people,,
So my question is what is the best program to convert my huge collection of music CD's to MP3 format so that I can load the music on the MP3 player.
No need to convert.
I haven't checked all my CDs but it seems that an audio CD comes with MP3 and ogg-files for ready use. Just open it in konqueror and choose the appropriate folder.
So you're saying that the CD's I bought when I was a college student in the 1980's have MP3 files, too? Cool! Time-travelling record execs. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 January 2008 17:37, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
Guido Pinkernell wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2008 06:35:22 schrieb Bob S:
Hi SuSE people,,
So my question is what is the best program to convert my huge collection of music CD's to MP3 format so that I can load the music on the MP3 player.
No need to convert.
I haven't checked all my CDs but it seems that an audio CD comes with MP3 and ogg-files for ready use. Just open it in konqueror and choose the appropriate folder.
So you're saying that the CD's I bought when I was a college student in the 1980's have MP3 files, too? Cool! Time-travelling record execs. I just wish it worked with all the vinyl that I bought in college in the 60's.. Guess that's what happens when things went digital.. ;-)
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On 01/03/2008 Mike wrote:
I just wish it worked with all the vinyl that I bought in college in the 60's.. Guess that's what happens when things went digital..
I haven't done much for a while [ other projects don't you know ], but I was using a plain turntable and Audacity to record my old vinyl and burn CD's. It does a bit of cleaning up, but not to much. After all those hiss's and pop's were part of the vinyl experience. I could use a bit of amplification but the quality is really pretty good all things considered. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
console I go with pacpl. It's excellent for batch conversions. Aaron Kulkis wrote:
Guido Pinkernell wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2008 06:35:22 schrieb Bob S:
Hi SuSE people,,
So my question is what is the best program to convert my huge collection of music CD's to MP3 format so that I can load the music on the MP3 player.
No need to convert.
I haven't checked all my CDs but it seems that an audio CD comes with MP3 and ogg-files for ready use. Just open it in konqueror and choose the appropriate folder.
So you're saying that the CD's I bought when I was a college student in the 1980's have MP3 files, too? Cool! Time-travelling record execs.
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Guido Pinkernell wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 3. Januar 2008 06:35:22 schrieb Bob S:
Hi SuSE people,,
So my question is what is the best program to convert my huge collection of music CD's to MP3 format so that I can load the music on the MP3 player.
No need to convert.
I haven't checked all my CDs but it seems that an audio CD comes with MP3 and ogg-files for ready use. Just open it in konqueror and choose the appropriate folder.
Guido
Audio CD's are closer to WAV files, which are huge. They have to be converted to MP3 or ogg. -- Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott a écrit :
Audio CD's are closer to WAV files, which are huge. They have to be converted to MP3 or ogg.
closer, but not identical. In fact standard audio cd have no file system, only some sort of raw data, so even wav files make ages to read however, given the size of disks, making mp3s have less interest wav (or flac) files are nearly losless jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2008-01-03 at 22:01 +0100, jdd wrote:
closer, but not identical. In fact standard audio cd have no file system, only some sort of raw data, so even wav files make ages to read
however, given the size of disks, making mp3s have less interest
wav (or flac) files are nearly losless
Make that "completely losless". - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHfhMotTMYHG2NR9URArK2AJ4tQP014w5FN7/sou/IQwDFWQ9P5QCdGRuJ kEGHoz8tJuyYTcgQUKnA19g= =6236 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. a écrit :
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The Thursday 2008-01-03 at 22:01 +0100, jdd wrote:
closer, but not identical. In fact standard audio cd have no file system, only some sort of raw data, so even wav files make ages to read
however, given the size of disks, making mp3s have less interest
wav (or flac) files are nearly losless
Make that "completely losless".
I know that's said, but I doubt it's real. Once wav file done, the copy have no more problem, but I'm not sure that the wavs file made by two different apps from the same track will be exactly the same. I don't think the real meaningfull content is different (the music), but the beginning of the track, the inclusion or not of the 2s silence track... all this is not clear (However I didn't experiment this - yet) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Carlos E. R. a écrit :
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The Thursday 2008-01-03 at 22:01 +0100, jdd wrote:
closer, but not identical. In fact standard audio cd have no file system, only some sort of raw data, so even wav files make ages to read
however, given the size of disks, making mp3s have less interest
wav (or flac) files are nearly losless
Make that "completely losless".
I know that's said, but I doubt it's real. Once wav file done, the copy have no more problem, but I'm not sure that the wavs file made by two different apps from the same track will be exactly the same.
I don't think the real meaningfull content is different (the music), but the beginning of the track, the inclusion or not of the 2s silence track... all this is not clear (However I didn't experiment this - yet)
jdd
Assuming they're using the same track, the .WAV files should be identical. The CD is already digital. It's a stream of data that shouldn't be changed, when copying to a file. -- Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 04 January 2008 04:39, James Knott wrote:
jdd wrote:
Carlos E. R. a écrit :
...
wav (or flac) files are nearly losless
Make that "completely losless".
I know that's said, but I doubt it's real. Once wav file done, the copy have no more problem, but I'm not sure that the wavs file made by two different apps from the same track will be exactly the same.
I don't think the real meaningfull content is different (the music), but the beginning of the track, the inclusion or not of the 2s silence track... all this is not clear (However I didn't experiment this - yet)
jdd
Assuming they're using the same track, the .WAV files should be identical. The CD is already digital. It's a stream of data that shouldn't be changed, when copying to a file.
If the extraction is done digitally and all the media errors are correctable, that's true. If the conversion is done from the analog stream (very unlikely on modern CD drives), then there will be variations in the quantization. Keep in mind that there are two different kinds of error correction for CDs. The kind used for data is very robust. The kind used for audio sectors is much less so (and more of the bits on the sector are devoted to audio sample data). Extraction ("ripping") software varies in how it handles reported errors. Some try very hard (as in using retries) to get error free data. Others take whatever they get. As far as the FLAC compressions scheme, it is just as lossless as that used by BZip2 or GZip or PKZIP. The data that comes out is precisely (bit for bit) what went in. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Friday 2008-01-04 at 12:16 +0100, jdd wrote:
wav (or flac) files are nearly losless
Make that "completely losless".
I know that's said, but I doubt it's real. Once wav file done, the copy have no more problem, but I'm not sure that the wavs file made by two different apps from the same track will be exactly the same.
Those two formats are completely lossless: there must be not a single bit different, from input to output. However, the ripping process might have errors when ripping the CD - but that's completely different from what you use to store the stream, and whether it is lossy or lossless. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHftOrtTMYHG2NR9URAsB4AJ975xdvV2rsLy8+hd4IPRGsT7HR3wCfdV/L ix5yEUU0/8IpIvMA1oS5DW0= =FMZO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
jdd a écrit :
I know that's said, but I doubt it's real.
I made the test. extract the same track with several tools. Al the tools under Kde did the very same job and diff don't find any difference. However I did that also under XP with CDex. The file was the exact byte same lengh and still the files are differents jdd@monacer:~/temp> diff Piste\ 01.wav 01-AudioTrack\ 01.wav Les fichiers Piste 01.wav et 01-AudioTrack 01.wav sont différents. I see no difference with vi may be the copy from windows to Linux? may be there is tool better than diff to know where is the difference? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 17:37 +0100, jdd wrote:
may be there is tool better than diff to know where is the difference?
The difference is almost certainly either at the beginning or the end of the file, so just look with some dumper/debugger tool. I'd probably just use 'od' Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Aaron Kulkis -
Billie Walsh -
Bob S -
Carlos E. R. -
Dave Howorth -
David Bolt -
Gavin Chester -
Guido Pinkernell -
James Knott -
JB2 -
jdd -
Joe Sloan -
John Meyer -
Kai Ponte -
M Harris -
Mike -
PerfectReign
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peter nikolic -
Randall R Schulz -
Ritchie Fraser -
Roger Oberholtzer