On Wednesday 02 July 2008 18:04:33 Rui Santos wrote:

primm wrote:

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in ubuntu you write: /etc/init.d/udev restart

What do you write in open suSE?

Why would you want to restart udev ?

Jesus. please just tell me how to do it. But as you asked here is the boring details: I want to write this: and made it work. why not simply tell me what to do' There are no opensuse documnets son this: i've done it all from a cup of ubuntu. just want to know what a one liner in ubuntu is in suse, thta's all Calibration (NOT TRANSLATED!!!) IconsPage/IconHint2.png Note: In the subsection, you'll find output from calibrate! If you tablet is listed there, you can just use that output instead! If you tablet isn't listed, I would love to recieve an email with the output, and the model of your tablet! (See email at the end of the page!) If you want to calibrate yourself, just proceed. Enter the "calibrate"-directory - Run this command: cd calibrate Build the calibration tool - Run this command: make Calibrate in order to find the edges of your tablet/digitizer - Run this command: sudo ./wizardpen-calibrate /dev/tablet-event Save the output from wizardpen-calibrate (the last 8 lines!) - You need it later in this howto! Calibration output (If calibrate for some reason doesn't work!) (NOT TRANSLATED!!!) IconsPage/IconHint2.png Skip this section if calibrate worked for you! Tablet W5540U (UC-Logic): Driver "wizardpen" Option "Device" "/dev/tablet-event" Option "TopX" "2199" Option "TopY" "3598" Option "BottomX" "30325" Option "BottomY" "29278" Option "MaxX" "30325" Option "MaxY" "29278" Tablet W8060U (UC-Logic): Driver "wizardpen" Option "Device" "/dev/tablet-event" Option "TopX" "826" Option "TopY" "2626" Option "BottomX" "32747" Option "BottomY" "32762" Option "MaxX" "32747" Option "MaxY" "32762" Configuración de las X (NOT TRANSLATED!!!) Lo primero, por seguridad, es hacer una copia de seguridad del archivo que vamos a editar. En los pasos anteriores, aun cometiendo algún fallo, no provocaríamos ningún sobresalto al sistema y este funcionaría sin problemas (o debería). Sin embargo, a partir de ahora, los cambios que hagamos pueden causar que el servidor X (el sistema de ventanitas) deje de funcionar. Ejecutar en terminal: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup Edit the file - Run this command: sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf Press "I" - So that "-- INSERT --" appears! Insert the following section into xorg.conf: (just place it below your generic mouse!) Section "InputDevice" Identifier "WizardPen Tablet" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" (the output from calibrate) EndSection Add the following line in the "ServerLayout" section: InputDevice "WizardPen Tablet" "AlwaysCore" Save the file, and exit the editor! (Press "ESC" and write ":wq" and press "Enter") Why not just tell me what the command is? My graphics tablet isn't hotpluggable OK? Now please just tellme. And if you have any better dieas please tell em in another thread.. love from Lynn x x x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 02 July 2008 18:31:05 Ken Schneider wrote:

primm pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Wednesday 02 July 2008 18:04:33 Rui Santos wrote:

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primm wrote:

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in ubuntu you write: /etc/init.d/udev restart

What do you write in open suSE?

Why would you want to restart udev ?

Why do you ask?

For Rui: /etc/init.d/boot.udev restart

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Rui Santos wrote:

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Why would you want to restart udev ?

Jesus.

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Why not just tell me what the command is? My graphics tablet isn't hotpluggable OK? Now please just tellme.

You do not have be rude. .. Usually, when someone responds to you, politeness is an expected quality...

Well, Rui, Lynn overreacted, but to us native English speakers a more appropriate wording of a genuine question would have been "why _do_ you want to restart udev?" Using the conditional "would" in this situation is usually a dismissive sneer rather than a question. I guess Lynn is stressed or she might have taken language differences into account. Or dismissed without comment what she interpreted as rudeness on your part. John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Brian K. White wrote:

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rui Santos" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] udev

primm wrote:

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On Wednesday 02 July 2008 18:04:33 Rui Santos wrote:

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primm wrote:

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in ubuntu you write: /etc/init.d/udev restart

What do you write in open suSE?

Why would you want to restart udev ?

Jesus.

Well... there's no need to be so formal... you can call me Rui.

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please just tell me how to do it. But as you asked here is the boring details:

I want to write this: and made it work. why not simply tell me what to do' There are no opensuse documnets son this: i've done it all from a cup of ubuntu. just want to know what a one liner in ubuntu is in suse, thta's all

Calibration (NOT TRANSLATED!!!) IconsPage/IconHint2.png Note: In the subsection, you'll find output from calibrate! If you tablet is listed there, you can just use that output instead! If you tablet isn't listed, I would love to recieve an email with the output, and the model of your tablet! (See email at the end of the page!) If you want to calibrate yourself, just proceed. Enter the "calibrate"-directory - Run this command: cd calibrate Build the calibration tool - Run this command: make Calibrate in order to find the edges of your tablet/digitizer - Run this command: sudo ./wizardpen-calibrate /dev/tablet-event Save the output from wizardpen-calibrate (the last 8 lines!) - You need it later in this howto! Calibration output (If calibrate for some reason doesn't work!) (NOT TRANSLATED!!!) IconsPage/IconHint2.png Skip this section if calibrate worked for you! Tablet W5540U (UC-Logic): Driver "wizardpen" Option "Device" "/dev/tablet-event" Option "TopX" "2199" Option "TopY" "3598" Option "BottomX" "30325" Option "BottomY" "29278" Option "MaxX" "30325" Option "MaxY" "29278" Tablet W8060U (UC-Logic): Driver "wizardpen" Option "Device" "/dev/tablet-event" Option "TopX" "826" Option "TopY" "2626" Option "BottomX" "32747" Option "BottomY" "32762" Option "MaxX" "32747" Option "MaxY" "32762" Configuración de las X (NOT TRANSLATED!!!) Lo primero, por seguridad, es hacer una copia de seguridad del archivo que vamos a editar. En los pasos anteriores, aun cometiendo algún fallo, no provocaríamos ningún sobresalto al sistema y este funcionaría sin problemas (o debería). Sin embargo, a partir de ahora, los cambios que hagamos pueden causar que el servidor X (el sistema de ventanitas) deje de funcionar. Ejecutar en terminal: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup Edit the file - Run this command: sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf Press "I" - So that "-- INSERT --" appears! Insert the following section into xorg.conf: (just place it below your generic mouse!) Section "InputDevice" Identifier "WizardPen Tablet" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" (the output from calibrate) EndSection Add the following line in the "ServerLayout" section: InputDevice "WizardPen Tablet" "AlwaysCore" Save the file, and exit the editor! (Press "ESC" and write ":wq" and press "Enter")

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Why not just tell me what the command is? My graphics tablet isn't hotpluggable OK? Now please just tellme.

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You do not have be rude. Usually people restart udev, when they do not need to. eg: you can ude 'udevcontrol reload_rules' to reload a changed rule. Usually, when someone responds to you, politeness is an expected quality...

But, you wasted his time by withholding a simple answer which you knew the answer to and which would have taken no more effort on your part to supply than it did to ask that question. Further, you did this, apparently, for no reason other than you presumed to know his needs better than he.

To me that is not merely rude but condescending, disrespectful, and inconsiderate of his time.

Being annoyed by that is entirely the correct and logical response.

That said though, I will admit that if someone already knew that on a different system it's: /etc/init.d/udev And yet couldn't figure out this file right in the same directory: /etc/init.d/boot.udev Then there is a pretty good argument for saying the person automatically documented themselves as being not very aware.

It's in the same directory, and has udev in the name. Even if you correctly don't assume that that means anything, It's clearly worth a look at least. 2 seconds looking at the mystery file in less should verify yep it's what you want. Which is exacty all I did myself.

Even so, I think the best thing all aroud is to answer the question that is asked, as long as it's a meaningful and answerable question. If they asked the wrong question let them figure that out. But don't presume to tell them they did until after you know all the details. Maybe they don't know anything at all but are asking for someone else. Or maybe they are in the process of learning.

It was a mistake by not including the answer in my first reply. In the eager to provide the best answer, I unintentionally neglected the direct one. Nonetheless, it is a mistake. A mistake of this nature does not give anyone the right to -logically- be annoyed and/or be disrespectful. I was merely trying to help someone. John E. Perry does have a point. The usage of the word "would" could have been interpreted as dismissive - It was not my intention. Your last paragraph does point out a few interesting tips :) valid to us all. I am a user/member of openSUSE/openSUSE List for about 6 years. I've asked for help and helped others, made incorrect questions and was questioned incorrectly. No user, until today, reacted in this manner toward me. I have to assume that this kind of attitude is not the correct one. -- Rui Santos http://www.ruisantos.com/ Veni, vidi, Linux! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Can you not exercise a modicum of initiative and do a bit of searching?

# find /etc/init.d -maxdepth 1 -iname '*udev*' /etc/init.d/boot.udev_retry /etc/init.d/boot.udev

Hi Randolh. No I can't because I'm a girl and I've got work to do. Big kiss anyway. L x x x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 04 July 2008 19:22:30 Brian K. White wrote:

----- Original Message ----- From: "lynn" To: Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] udev

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Can you not exercise a modicum of initiative and do a bit of searching?

# find /etc/init.d -maxdepth 1 -iname '*udev*' /etc/init.d/boot.udev_retry /etc/init.d/boot.udev

Hi Randolh. No I can't because I'm a girl and I've got work to do. Big kiss anyway.

Wait, so, because "you have work to do", you think it's ok to ask other people to do work that you don't have time or desire to do, for you, for free, but you want the results of the work....

I apologize for my question. I hope that I can stay on the list. I didn't know that this was an amateur list. But in in the end I'm sure that the answer will help many others who use openSUSE and especially those upgrading from ubuntu.. Please accept my apologies once more and there's a cool beer that awaits you anywhere you're near Alicante. I promise. Oh and yeah, I'm free. But rarely free;-) Love from Lynn x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rui Santos" To: "openSUSE" Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] udev

primm wrote:

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in ubuntu you write: /etc/init.d/udev restart

What do you write in open suSE?

Why would you want to restart udev ?

/etc/init.d/boot.udev restart Though I don't thing you need to restart it to get rules changes in effect. Possibly for the main config file. Just edit your rule and retry your action, edit the rule... I have had to work on rules a few times, yet I don't think I've ever restarted udevd on any machine ever. -- Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall R Schulz" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] udev

On Wednesday 02 July 2008 09:56, Brian K. White wrote:

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/etc/init.d/boot.udev restart

Though I don't thing you need to restart it to get rules changes in effect. Possibly for the main config file.

That would be the "reload" verb, correct? That's the usual way to handle configuration changes in servers smart enough to support incremental reconfiguration (Apache is another example).

Generally yes. But this touches a sort of bug with me. Just as I prefer that the default action be to receive answers to questions that I actually ask, so do I prefer to answer questions as asked, as long as they were answerable at all. I know there is a reload option, and I know it's probably all anyone ever needs, and I also know that reload is different from restart and they asked about restart. Maybe they are replacing the udevd binary? Maybe they are testing the restart action of the script itself? Probaby not but all I need to know is that I don't know. But you're right I probably should have pointed it out as a suggestion in addition to the strict-interpretation answer. Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org