Sorry SuSE: 9.1 is Waste of time and money!
I am sorry to conclude that my upgrade from SuSE 9.0 Pro to 9.1 Pro has been waste of time and money for me, so far. The same I have to say about the free SuSE "Installation support". The reason is that my SuSE 9.1 installation only detects 1 of my 3 SCSCI devices (as I wrote in another subject on this forum: http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2004-May/3254.html) Yamaha 4416S CDRW recorder detected HP DVD Writer 100i NOT detected Epson 1640SU scanner NOT detected It's rather stupid. I have installed 9.1 using the DVD disk just in the HP DVD drive, but after the installation of 9.1, the KDE/Konqueror /media/recorder cannot access it and YaST2 cannot install additional software from it. Only one "Cdrecorder" is found in My computer and that is the Yamaha 4416 drive, which the KDE/Konqueror file manager assign as /media/recorder11. I am sure 9.1 is the reason, as I hadn't this problems with 9.0. I have tried both an update and two several new installation of 9.1. Neither SJDS nor Windows on the same multiboot PC have problems to detect these devices. In my opinion SuSE should therefore debug 9.1 better and longer, and not leave the problems to the customers. I see SuSE notes on their web saying that they know SCSI scanners are not detected in 9.1. But regarding my HP DVD writer problem, the SuSE support (as usual) don't take the responsibility and argue that this problem (a combination of IDE disk and SCSI devices) isn't included in their free installation support! This sounds remarkable, and I have never had a modern PC of so simple model or configuration that it has fitted the limited rules for the free installation support. Terje J. Hanssen
Terje J. Hanssen wrote:
I am sorry to conclude that my upgrade from SuSE 9.0 Pro to 9.1 Pro has been waste of time and money for me, so far. The same I have to say about the free SuSE "Installation support".
Oh lord. I feel for you. Now you're going to get a bunch of people who reply with snide comments implying that the real problem is you and that you are somehow dumb. I'm sorry you're experiencing these problems, though. I wish I knew how to help you.
On Saturday 29 May 2004 19:48, Terje J. Hanssen wrote:
I am sorry to conclude that my upgrade from SuSE 9.0 Pro to 9.1 Pro has been waste of time and money for me, so far. The same I have to say about the free SuSE "Installation support".
The reason is that my SuSE 9.1 installation only detects 1 of my 3 SCSCI devices (as I wrote in another subject on this forum: http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2004-May/3254.html)
Yamaha 4416S CDRW recorder detected HP DVD Writer 100i NOT detected Epson 1640SU scanner NOT detected
Be thankful you can install 9.1....I tried to upgrade v9 but it tells me it cannot find the media...I formatted another partition using Yast but once again it told me it couls not find the media....I know the drive is ok as I can install Debian no problem...I will give Suse a ring later this week to see if they can help but it looks as if I bought junk.... Been using Suse since the tgz days but think it is time to say goodbye -- Regards Ted Wager G3TPI Using Debian Linux
On Sunday 30 May 2004 10:03, Ted wrote:
On Saturday 29 May 2004 19:48, Terje J. Hanssen wrote:
I am sorry to conclude that my upgrade from SuSE 9.0 Pro to 9.1 Pro has been waste of time and money for me, so far. The same I have to say about the free SuSE "Installation support".
The reason is that my SuSE 9.1 installation only detects 1 of my 3 SCSCI devices (as I wrote in another subject on this forum: http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2004-May/3254.html)
Yamaha 4416S CDRW recorder detected HP DVD Writer 100i NOT detected Epson 1640SU scanner NOT detected
Be thankful you can install 9.1....I tried to upgrade v9 but it tells me it cannot find the media...I formatted another partition using Yast but once again it told me it couls not find the media....I know the drive is ok as I can install Debian no problem...I will give Suse a ring later this week to see if they can help but it looks as if I bought junk.... Been using Suse since the tgz days but think it is time to say goodbye
-- Regards Ted Wager G3TPI Using Debian Linux Perhaps only time to say arrivadercci (okay, you Italians, help me out, here!). I'm going to wait until right around version 10, I think. Meanwhile, I'm going to se if I can keep v9 behaving properly. Maybe it won't be a full-time job. -- ...CH SuSE 9 Works Linux user# 313696 Linux box# 199365
Em Domingo 30 Maio 2004 17:31, C Hamel escreveu:
Perhaps only time to say arrivadercci (okay, you Italians, help me out, here!). I'm going to wait until right around version 10, I think. Meanwhile, I'm going to se if I can keep v9 behaving properly. Maybe it won't be a full-time job.
Well , I don't know why people always need the latest version of this or that Linux distribution , or this or that app. I mean , if the current version works fine and has no critical bugs , why change every 3 ( or whatever...) months? Debian has bugs , Mandrake has bugs , Fedora has bugs......and so on. Some people will change to "Foo linux distribution" until they found that the latest "Foo linux distribution" version has strange bugs and they cannot deal with this bugs. For other people this bugs doesn't exist. So , if the current version works , keep it up. ( sorry about my poor english ). -- Rafael A.S.
Your English isn't bad at all and your meaning is (IMHO) quite right.
On Sunday May 30 2004 7:16 pm, Jake wrote:
Your English isn't bad at all and your meaning is (IMHO) quite right.
I talked to someone the other day who'd I told NOT to buy some odd-ball hardware. They did anyway, and 9.1 won't work with it. He got mad, formated the drive and installed XP. It locks up tighter than a crabs butt about every 30 mins. There's NOTHING perfect. Buy ONLY good solid hardware that keeps to industry specs (example: NO SIS chipsets!!) and most often you won't have any show stoppers. Fred -- "The only secure Microsoft software is what's still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..." (Forno)
On Sunday 30 May 2004 10:27 pm, Fred Miller wrote:
On Sunday May 30 2004 7:16 pm, Jake wrote:
Your English isn't bad at all and your meaning is (IMHO) quite right.
I talked to someone the other day who'd I told NOT to buy some odd-ball hardware. They did anyway, and 9.1 won't work with it. He got mad, formated the drive and installed XP. It locks up tighter than a crabs butt about every 30 mins. There's NOTHING perfect. Buy ONLY good solid hardware that keeps to industry specs (example: NO SIS chipsets!!) and most often you won't have any show stoppers.
Fred
========= Fred, One part of your statement I agree with and that is to get good hardware, it can make all the difference sometimes. PC hardware is still some of the oldest and worse designed stuff around. Everybody has their own standards, so few follow any rules in building things. The no SIS chipsets though, you are way off base! Apparently you have had a bad incident with them some time ago and decided to dislike SiS, but you are wrong not to recommend them now. I have not ever had such good hardware with VIA or Intel as the SiS chipset boards I'm using & recommending now. They have been far & above better operating setups than any Intel or VIA I've installed Linux on, with fewer bugs too. I've had really good luck out of the AMD chipsets also and Linux. Lee -- --- KMail v1.6.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
On Sunday 30 May 2004 21:39, BandiPat wrote:
On Sunday 30 May 2004 10:27 pm, Fred Miller wrote:
On Sunday May 30 2004 7:16 pm, Jake wrote:
Your English isn't bad at all and your meaning is (IMHO) quite right.
I talked to someone the other day who'd I told NOT to buy some odd-ball hardware. They did anyway, and 9.1 won't work with it. He got mad, formated the drive and installed XP. It locks up tighter than a crabs butt about every 30 mins. There's NOTHING perfect. Buy ONLY good solid hardware that keeps to industry specs (example: NO SIS chipsets!!) and most often you won't have any show stoppers.
Fred
=========
Fred, One part of your statement I agree with and that is to get good hardware, it can make all the difference sometimes. PC hardware is still some of the oldest and worse designed stuff around. Everybody has their own standards, so few follow any rules in building things. The no SIS chipsets though, you are way off base! Apparently you have had a bad incident with them some time ago and decided to dislike SiS, but you are wrong not to recommend them now. I have not ever had such good hardware with VIA or Intel as the SiS chipset boards I'm using & recommending now. They have been far & above better operating setups than any Intel or VIA I've installed Linux on, with fewer bugs too. I've had really good luck out of the AMD chipsets also and Linux.
Lee -- --- KMail v1.6.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange... Allow me to weigh in on this conversation! :-)
I can attest to the fact that AMD works really well. I used to have a Toshiba notebook w/AMD k6-2 3D chip on it & that one really rocked w/Mandrake, SuSE, Red Hat, et. al. This new HP box w/Intel 2.66+/- GB chip & etc., will not Mandrake at all, and I have yet to try Red Hat. SuSE is problematic but at least I got v9 to work, & 8.2 Personal, before that. Version9.1 was more than problematic, it was horrendous. Out of three modems --internal & two external-- none worked right, and quit working altogether once I applied the first update. Reinstallation was a total waste of time, as the first installation --pre-updates-- worked for exactly a week & all four subsequent installations saw very little work that had worked on the 1st installation. Hence, a landfill now owns it. As far as I know, my hardware is not unique. I think that Mdk has six HP notebooks listed for compatibility. I checked SuSE's site & was informed my hdwe was compatible. One should be able to believe the list published by SuSE. If one can't, SuSE is in really deep doo-doo. -- ...CH SuSE 9 Works Linux user# 313696 Linux box# 199365
Hi, On Monday 31 May 2004 05:09, C Hamel wrote:
As far as I know, my hardware is not unique. I think that Mdk has six HP notebooks listed for compatibility. I checked SuSE's site & was informed my hdwe was compatible. One should be able to believe the list published by SuSE.
Which URL please? Greetings from Bremen hartmut
C Hamel wrote:
SuSE is problematic but at least I got v9 to work, & 8.2 Personal, before that. Version9.1 was more than problematic, it was horrendous. Out of three modems --internal & two external-- none worked right, and quit working altogether once I applied the first update. Reinstallation was a total waste of time, as the first installation --pre-updates-- worked for exactly a week & all four subsequent installations saw very little work that had worked on the 1st installation. Hence, a landfill now owns it.
I have a PCMCIA modem on my 64-bit laptop and I've seen problems with it not working. For some reason 9.1 in its wisdom sets up /dev/modem as a symlink to /dev/cua0, change it to /dev/ttyS0 and it reverts to /dev/cua0 on next reboot or /etc/init.d/setserial restart. I haven't yet found where to change it. Strange and utterly weird that they should resurrect those old bones at 9.1 when cuaX was DEprecAteD round about kernel 2.2.x, it was never there in any SuSE distro going way back. In many ways all distros are a pain, they have tried to stray too far away from the mainstream. There was a time when you could grab a RedHat .rpm, Slackware .tgz, Debian .deb and install it on whatever distro you happened to be using. Even getting a RedHat rpm source file, chances it won't build. I see early signs! One day we'll all wake up and find that Linux has fragmented a-la-Unix. They've steamrollered the Filesystem Heirarchy that was supposed to unify them all. The Einstein Constant holds, he's purported to have said "Two things are infinite, the size of the UNIVERSE and HUMAN STUPIDITY, except I'm not sure of the former". Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer Linux Only Shop.
On Sunday May 30 2004 10:39 pm, BandiPat wrote:
On Sunday 30 May 2004 10:27 pm, Fred Miller wrote:
On Sunday May 30 2004 7:16 pm, Jake wrote:
Your English isn't bad at all and your meaning is (IMHO) quite right.
I talked to someone the other day who'd I told NOT to buy some odd-ball hardware. They did anyway, and 9.1 won't work with it. He got mad, formated the drive and installed XP. It locks up tighter than a crabs butt about every 30 mins. There's NOTHING perfect. Buy ONLY good solid hardware that keeps to industry specs (example: NO SIS chipsets!!) and most often you won't have any show stoppers.
Fred
=========
Fred, One part of your statement I agree with and that is to get good hardware, it can make all the difference sometimes. PC hardware is still some of the oldest and worse designed stuff around. Everybody has their own standards, so few follow any rules in building things.
Intel publishes specs and some makers hold tightly to them and some don't. It's one reason I use IBM Intelistations, just to mention 1.
The no SIS chipsets though, you are way off base! Apparently you have had a bad incident with them some time ago and decided to dislike SiS, but you are wrong not to recommend them now. I have not ever had such good hardware with VIA or Intel as the SiS chipset boards I'm using & recommending now. They have been far & above better operating setups than any Intel or VIA I've installed Linux on, with fewer bugs too. I've had really good luck out of the AMD chipsets also and Linux.
SiS AND VIA are junk, IMHO. I won't buy either and reccomend to ALL to stay clear of both. SiS is STILL junk.....end of story. Fred -- "The only secure Microsoft software is what's still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..." (Forno)
On Sun, May 30, 2004 at 11:32:00PM -0400, Fred Miller wrote:
SiS AND VIA are junk, IMHO. I won't buy either and reccomend to ALL to stay clear of both. SiS is STILL junk.....end of story.
Let me disagree with your broad statement about VIA. Gigabyte GA-6VTXE-A mobo with VIA 694T chipset works just great here with SuSE from 8.1 through 9.1. I've been using FIC mobo PA2013 with VIA chipset until version 8.1 with no problems either. On the other hand, I have had rather bad experience with Intel L440GX mobo in VA Linux boxes. Non-SMP kernels didn't initialize interrupt controller properly and onboard SCSI controller didn't work. Does it mean that Intel is junk? I don't think so. Please next time be more specific when you proclaim something junk. Thank you, -Kastus
On Sunday May 30 2004 11:51 pm, Kastus wrote: [snip]
Let me disagree with your broad statement about VIA.
[snip] That's you choice. I've had more problems with their controller chips than you can shake a stick at! MANY of the systems I setup are in HEAVY use - production systems, thus there are very few MBOs I'll use. I do all I can to avoid VIA and under NO circumstances will I use SiS. I don't have time to screw around with marginal hardware. Fred -- "The only secure Microsoft software is what's still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..." (Forno)
On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 12:02:53AM -0400, Fred Miller wrote:
That's you choice. I've had more problems with their controller chips than you can shake a stick at! MANY of the systems I setup are in HEAVY use - production systems, thus there are very few MBOs I'll use. I do all I can to avoid VIA and under NO circumstances will I use SiS. I don't have time to screw around with marginal hardware.
Well, VIA could be my choice, but I guess, it's SuSE choice too. If you search SuSE hardware database for VIA and motherboards, it returns 6 chipsets with full support. Of course, it's your choice not to believe what SuSE says. Also, I would appreciate if you enlighten us what hardware is not marginal if it's going to be used with SuSE. Thank you, -Kastus
On Monday May 31 2004 12:32 am, Kastus wrote:
On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 12:02:53AM -0400, Fred Miller wrote:
That's you choice. I've had more problems with their controller chips than you can shake a stick at! MANY of the systems I setup are in HEAVY use - production systems, thus there are very few MBOs I'll use. I do all I can to avoid VIA and under NO circumstances will I use SiS. I don't have time to screw around with marginal hardware.
Well, VIA could be my choice, but I guess, it's SuSE choice too. If you search SuSE hardware database for VIA and motherboards, it returns 6 chipsets with full support. Of course, it's your choice not to believe what SuSE says.
Also, I would appreciate if you enlighten us what hardware is not marginal if it's going to be used with SuSE.
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you - period. I said, I avoid VIA if at all possible, and no way will have SiS. It's my choice. I normally don't have hardware problems, so I must be doing something right. Fred -- "The only secure Microsoft software is what's still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..." (Forno)
On Monday 31 May 2004 06:32, Fred Miller wrote:
On Monday May 31 2004 12:32 am, Kastus wrote:
On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 12:02:53AM -0400, Fred Miller wrote:
That's you choice. I've had more problems with their controller chips than you can shake a stick at! MANY of the systems I setup are in HEAVY use - production systems, thus there are very few MBOs I'll use. I do all I can to avoid VIA and under NO circumstances will I use SiS. I don't have time to screw around with marginal hardware.
Well, VIA could be my choice, but I guess, it's SuSE choice too. If you search SuSE hardware database for VIA and motherboards, it returns 6 chipsets with full support. Of course, it's your choice not to believe what SuSE says.
Also, I would appreciate if you enlighten us what hardware is not marginal if it's going to be used with SuSE.
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you - period. I said, I avoid VIA if at all possible, and no way will have SiS. It's my choice. I normally don't have hardware problems, so I must be doing something right.
Fred
-- "The only secure Microsoft software is what's still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..." (Forno) seems to me ol freddy is gettin pissed cus he has been proved WRONG now he´s gettin stroppy .
-- G6NJR Pete otherwise known as "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan Pete,,,,, :-)
On Monday 31 May 2004 04:15 am, peter Nikolic wrote:
On Monday 31 May 2004 06:32, Fred Miller wrote:
On Monday May 31 2004 12:32 am, Kastus wrote:
On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 12:02:53AM -0400, Fred Miller wrote:
That's you choice. I've had more problems with their controller chips than you can shake a stick at! MANY of the systems I setup are in HEAVY use - production systems, thus there are very few MBOs I'll use. I do all I can to avoid VIA and under NO circumstances will I use SiS. I don't have time to screw around with marginal hardware.
Well, VIA could be my choice, but I guess, it's SuSE choice too. If you search SuSE hardware database for VIA and motherboards, it returns 6 chipsets with full support. Of course, it's your choice not to believe what SuSE says.
Also, I would appreciate if you enlighten us what hardware is not marginal if it's going to be used with SuSE.
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you - period. I said, I avoid VIA if at all possible, and no way will have SiS. It's my choice. I normally don't have hardware problems, so I must be doing something right.
Fred
-- "The only secure Microsoft software is what's still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..." (Forno)
seems to me ol freddy is gettin pissed cus he has been proved WRONG now he´s gettin stroppy .
Troll..... What have your last two posts done to add to *anything*?
-- G6NJR Pete otherwise known as "Quinton 11"
A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan
Pete,,,,, :-)
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 05/31/04 11:51 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "There is nothing so annoying as to have two people go right on talking when you're interrupting." --Mark Twain
On Monday 31 May 2004 04:15 am, peter Nikolic wrote:
On Monday 31 May 2004 06:32, Fred Miller wrote:
On Monday May 31 2004 12:32 am, Kastus wrote:
On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 12:02:53AM -0400, Fred Miller wrote:
That's you choice. I've had more problems with their controller chips than you can shake a stick at! MANY of the systems I setup are in HEAVY use - production systems, thus there are very few MBOs I'll use. I do all I can to avoid VIA and under NO circumstances will I use SiS. I don't have time to screw around with marginal hardware.
Well, VIA could be my choice, but I guess, it's SuSE choice too. If you search SuSE hardware database for VIA and motherboards, it returns 6 chipsets with full support. Of course, it's your choice not to believe what SuSE says.
Also, I would appreciate if you enlighten us what hardware is not marginal if it's going to be used with SuSE.
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you - period. I said, I avoid VIA if at all possible, and no way will have SiS. It's my choice. I normally don't have hardware problems, so I must be doing something right.
Fred
-- "The only secure Microsoft software is what's still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..." (Forno)
seems to me ol freddy is gettin pissed cus he has been proved WRONG now he´s gettin stroppy .
Troll.....
What have your last two posts done to add to *anything*?
-- G6NJR Pete otherwise known as "Quinton 11"
A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan
Pete,,,,, :-)
-- +-------------------------------------------------------------- --------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 05/31/04 11:51 + +-------------------------------------------------------------- --------------+ "There is nothing so annoying as to have two people go right on talking when you're interrupting." --Mark Twain Oh Dear talk about yourself pal troll indeed at least i aint no stuckup twat that that cant have a bit of fun so shut up and
On Monday 31 May 2004 16:51, Bruce Marshall wrote: think before you go calling people a troll cus things could just get dirty follow my jist .. troll my aunt fanny. Dick splat -- G6NJR Pete otherwise known as "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan Pete,,,,, :-)
On Monday 31 May 2004 19:09, peter Nikolic wrote:
Oh Dear talk about yourself pal troll indeed at least i aint no stuckup twat that that cant have a bit of fun so shut up and think before you go calling people a troll cus things could just get dirty follow my jist ..
troll my aunt fanny.
Dick splat
This is unacceptable and downright rude. This person should be removed from the list.
On Monday 31 May 2004 03:00 pm, Jake wrote:
On Monday 31 May 2004 19:09, peter Nikolic wrote:
Oh Dear talk about yourself pal troll indeed at least i aint no stuckup twat that that cant have a bit of fun so shut up and think before you go calling people a troll cus things could just get dirty follow my jist ..
troll my aunt fanny.
Dick splat
This is unacceptable and downright rude. This person should be removed from the list.
What would you expect from someone who calls himself "Quinton 11"? Probably all of 12 years old. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 05/31/04 16:08 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried."
On Monday 31 May 2004 21:09, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Monday 31 May 2004 03:00 pm, Jake wrote:
On Monday 31 May 2004 19:09, peter Nikolic wrote:
Oh Dear talk about yourself pal troll indeed at least i aint no stuckup twat that that cant have a bit of fun so shut up and think before you go calling people a troll cus things could just get dirty follow my jist ..
troll my aunt fanny.
Dick splat
This is unacceptable and downright rude. This person should be removed from the list.
What would you expect from someone who calls himself "Quinton 11"? Probably all of 12 years old.
-- +-------------------------------------------------------------- --------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 05/31/04 16:08 + +-------------------------------------------------------------- --------------+ "If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried." Excuse me sunshine if you take the time to get so frigging education you would have some chance of knowing the significance of that OFFICIALLY ISSUED CALLSIGN so just go away and play with your box of toys child -- G6NJR Pete otherwise known as "Quinton 11"
A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan Pete,,,,, :-)
On Monday 31 May 2004 02:09 pm, peter Nikolic wrote:
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you - period. I said, I avoid VIA if at all possible, and no way will have SiS. It's my choice. I normally don't have hardware problems, so I must be doing something right.
Fred
-- "The only secure Microsoft software is what's still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..." (Forno)
seems to me ol freddy is gettin pissed cus he has been proved WRONG now he´s gettin stroppy .
Troll.....
What have your last two posts done to add to *anything*?
-- G6NJR Pete otherwise known as "Quinton 11"
A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan
Pete,,,,, :-)
Your professionalism and good list decorum have been noted. <PLONK> -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 05/31/04 16:03 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "This cookie back by popular demand!"
On Monday 31 May 2004 21:04, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Monday 31 May 2004 02:09 pm, peter Nikolic wrote:
I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you - period. I said, I avoid VIA if at all possible, and no way will have SiS. It's my choice. I normally don't have hardware problems, so I must be doing something right.
Fred
-- "The only secure Microsoft software is what's still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..." (Forno)
seems to me ol freddy is gettin pissed cus he has been proved WRONG now he´s gettin stroppy .
Troll.....
What have your last two posts done to add to *anything*?
-- G6NJR Pete otherwise known as "Quinton 11"
A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan
Pete,,,,, :-)
Your professionalism and good list decorum have been noted.
<PLONK>
-- +-------------------------------------------------------------- --------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 05/31/04 16:03 + +-------------------------------------------------------------- --------------+ "This cookie back by popular demand!" Oh Dear -- G6NJR Pete otherwise known as "Quinton 11"
A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan Pete,,,,, :-)
On Mon, 31 May 2004, Fred Miller wrote:
... I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you - period. I said, I avoid VIA if at all possible, and no way will have SiS. It's my choice. I normally don't have hardware problems, so I must be doing something right.
Fred
Fred: let me chime in here if I may. I am not interested in pissing any hardware vendor, but what I am interested in is if you would share some of your experience of what constitutes "solid hardware" that will work well. I am planning to set up a new system (preferably with a 64 bit cpu) sometime later this summer and would find it greatly beneficial to get some input from you or anyone who regularly uses and builds large quantities of systems. My home-built system PIII-Abit BX6v2 has held up the test of time and various SuSE versions pretty well, but is getting somewhat dated and I am looking at replacing it. I have had issues with some Dells and SuSE 9.0 at work but these seem to have dissipated with 9.1. Nevertheless, I will have to dig for the most reliable hardware pretty soon and really appreciate your input. Best regards, Alex.
On Monday 31 May 2004 05:02, Fred Miller wrote:
On Sunday May 30 2004 11:51 pm, Kastus wrote:
[snip]
Let me disagree with your broad statement about VIA.
[snip]
That's you choice. I've had more problems with their controller chips than you can shake a stick at! MANY of the systems I setup are in HEAVY use - production systems, thus there are very few MBOs I'll use. I do all I can to avoid VIA and under NO circumstances will I use SiS. I don't have time to screw around with marginal hardware.
Fred
-- "The only secure Microsoft software is what's still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..." (Forno) Oh dear he does´nt have time to screw with marginal hardware Duuuuuuuhhh i dont by NAY streach of the imagination call SiS and VIA marginal hardware they probably got more chips on more MoBo ´s than the rest of em put together Chill pal ..
-- G6NJR Pete otherwise known as "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan Pete,,,,, :-)
måndag 31 maj 2004 06:02 skrev Fred Miller:
That's you choice. I've had more problems with their controller chips than you can shake a stick at! MANY of the systems I setup are in HEAVY use - production systems, thus there are very few MBOs I'll use. I do all I can to avoid VIA and under NO circumstances will I use SiS. I don't have time to screw around with marginal hardware.
FYI, I've been building my own systems since 1995, and have always used VIA, SiS and AMD. Never had a problem. I heard that a store here, once proclaimed that a Jet motherboard was junk, because it never worked for some reason ... I used that precise same motherboard for several years, flawlessly and it's still working flawlessly in one of my spare computers. An old friend of mine, on the other hand, followed "good" advice and buys only intel motherboards. All these years, he's been having one problem after another. His computer, has never worked properly. The point here is, gentlemen ... that besides bad luck, that can happen to everyone (getting a defective motherboard). It's primarily a question about the skills of the user, weather the system works or not.
On Sunday 30 May 2004 11:32 pm, Fred Miller wrote: [...]
Fred, One part of your statement I agree with and that is to get good hardware, it can make all the difference sometimes. PC hardware is still some of the oldest and worse designed stuff around. Everybody has their own standards, so few follow any rules in building things.
Intel publishes specs and some makers hold tightly to them and some don't. It's one reason I use IBM Intelistations, just to mention 1. =========
I think you may give Intel way too much credit here Fred. As you know or maybe you don't, Intel didn't come up with the PC design, that came from IBM, which everyone copied and changed when IBM released their standards. It's been an ever evolving process since, with no one following any standards but their own, even IBM. ------------
The no SIS chipsets though, you are way off base! Apparently you have had a bad incident with them some time ago and decided to dislike SiS, but you are wrong not to recommend them now. I have not ever had such good hardware with VIA or Intel as the SiS chipset boards I'm using & recommending now. They have been far & above better operating setups than any Intel or VIA I've installed Linux on, with fewer bugs too. I've had really good luck out of the AMD chipsets also and Linux.
SiS AND VIA are junk, IMHO. I won't buy either and reccomend to ALL to stay clear of both. SiS is STILL junk.....end of story.
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As you mention, this is your opinion and everyone should consider the source before razing you too much. ;o) You might want to check your equipment though as I suspect you'll find some VIA and/or SiS chips on them, since they are the two biggest makers of many of the chips found on motherboards. Lee -- --- KMail v1.6.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
On Sun, 2004-05-30 at 16:01, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:
Well , I don't know why people always need the latest version of this or that Linux distribution , or this or that app. I mean , if the current version works fine and has no critical bugs , why change every 3 ( or whatever...) months? Debian has bugs , Mandrake has bugs , Fedora has bugs......and so on. Some people will change to "Foo linux distribution" until they found that the latest "Foo linux distribution" version has strange bugs and they cannot deal with this bugs. For other people this bugs doesn't exist. So , if the current version works , keep it up.
( sorry about my poor english ).
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for me I always skip a few. I had 8.2 on one now its 9.1. Ill do my install on the other box when I have highspeed access for YOU. I figure once a year is enough. CWSIV
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