[opensuse] OpenSUSE 11 vs Fedora 9
I installed OpenSUSE 11 from a DVD ISO image into VBox: 25 minutes with tons of packages I installed Fedora 9 from a DVD ISO image into VBox: > 2 hours with a similar tons of packages Both on the same machine, so I think the hardware was the same. Nice OpenSUSE was so fast. Odd that Fedora was so slow. Fedora spent most all the time installing RPMS from the DVD ISO image. Perhaps Fedora just dislikes VirtualBox? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Both on the same machine, so I think the hardware was the same. Nice OpenSUSE was so fast. Odd that Fedora was so slow. Fedora spent most all the time installing RPMS from the DVD ISO image. Perhaps Fedora just dislikes VirtualBox?
That is because openSUSE uses images for patterns. For example, when you install KDE4 pattern, only one image is unpacked to the system and the packages are not installed one by one. -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o Package Maintainer Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9, CR prusnak[at]suse.cz http://www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 20:06 +0200, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Both on the same machine, so I think the hardware was the same. Nice OpenSUSE was so fast. Odd that Fedora was so slow. Fedora spent most all the time installing RPMS from the DVD ISO image. Perhaps Fedora just dislikes VirtualBox?
That is because openSUSE uses images for patterns. For example, when you install KDE4 pattern, only one image is unpacked to the system and the packages are not installed one by one.
I did a reinstall of Fedora, this time only adding a single check in Software Development from the very top selection menu. This resulted in a total of 1140 packages being selected. It still took well over an hour. Over twice the time of OpenSUSE, and with fewer things installed (I think). Oddly, after rebooting to finish the install, to Fedora insisted that my screen resolution was 1600x1200, making completion of the install difficult. My window manager will let me move windows that are bigger than the display left<->right, but not up<->down. OpenSUSE always got the display size correct at this point in the install. Another SUSE + is that I could, during installation, search for things like 1394 to see that all the firewire stuff I want gets installed. I did not see this in Fedora. Too bad. The primary Fedora + was that the install by default set up /home to be a volume, so adding storage in the future seemed easier. One does not have to remember to set this up. Of course openSUSE would allow me to do this, but it would be by hand. I will have to play with this to see how involved it is to set up in the install. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Last night around 22:20 local I started a F9 HTTP install from mirrors.kernel.org onto a 2GHz P4 machine with 1G RAM & 1G swap space over a broadband connection that normally gets me a full CD iso in 20-30 minutes, and a Factory install start to finish in about an hour. A little over 11 hours later Anaconda announced preparation to install (downloading selected packages apparently) had finished. Now, an hour later, it's proceeded to install only 225 of the total of 859 selected packages. Now all that has been after the bite from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=430836 that makes me delete all partitions >15, and restore them after Anaconda gets done if I actually want to install it without killing what already lives on the HD. I'm amazed at the size of the following/user base Fedora is purported to have. :-p -- ". . . . in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you . . . ." Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 10:18 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
Last night around 22:20 local I started a F9 HTTP install from mirrors.kernel.org onto a 2GHz P4 machine with 1G RAM & 1G swap space over a broadband connection that normally gets me a full CD iso in 20-30 minutes, and a Factory install start to finish in about an hour. A little over 11 hours later Anaconda announced preparation to install (downloading selected packages apparently) had finished. Now, an hour later, it's proceeded to install only 225 of the total of 859 selected packages.
Now all that has been after the bite from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=430836 that makes me delete all partitions >15, and restore them after Anaconda gets done if I actually want to install it without killing what already lives on the HD. I'm amazed at the size of the following/user base Fedora is purported to have. :-p
Same here. I was playing with Fedora mainly to keep myself abreast of the Linux distros out there. I still see nothing to make me stop using openSUSE. Not that I am looking to jump ship. But one must be able to answer intelligently when asked "Why SUSE?" or "Why distroX?" Or, "Why not?" in the case of Fedora. Especially as the Fedora I used was not a Beta... -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Felix Miata <mrmazda@ij.net> wrote:
Last night around 22:20 local I started a F9 HTTP install from mirrors.kernel.org onto a 2GHz P4 machine with 1G RAM & 1G swap space over a broadband connection that normally gets me a full CD iso in 20-30 minutes, and a Factory install start to finish in about an hour. A little over 11 hours later Anaconda announced preparation to install (downloading selected packages apparently) had finished. Now, an hour later, it's proceeded to install only 225 of the total of 859 selected packages.
I think that's a little unfair to Fedora because I think that the mirors are overloaded. I had a hard time with the net install and gave up and pulled the live cd and installed from there. Then I just pulled the repository from mirrors.kernel.org. Install times are a lot better from local NFS. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 12:15 -0400, Larry Stotler wrote:
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Felix Miata <mrmazda@ij.net> wrote:
Last night around 22:20 local I started a F9 HTTP install from mirrors.kernel.org onto a 2GHz P4 machine with 1G RAM & 1G swap space over a broadband connection that normally gets me a full CD iso in 20-30 minutes, and a Factory install start to finish in about an hour. A little over 11 hours later Anaconda announced preparation to install (downloading selected packages apparently) had finished. Now, an hour later, it's proceeded to install only 225 of the total of 859 selected packages.
I think that's a little unfair to Fedora because I think that the mirors are overloaded. I had a hard time with the net install and gave up and pulled the live cd and installed from there. Then I just pulled the repository from mirrors.kernel.org. Install times are a lot better from local NFS.
In my case, the install (over an hour) was from a local install DVD whose express reason for existing is to, well, install locally. I just think it was surprisingly slow. Although I think it is more that openSUSE 11 has gotten faster. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Tel: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Fax: Int +46 8-31 42 23 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2008/05/16 10:18 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata apparently typed:
Last night around 22:20 local I started a F9 HTTP install from mirrors.kernel.org onto a 2GHz P4 machine with 1G RAM & 1G swap space over a broadband connection that normally gets me a full CD iso in 20-30 minutes, and a Factory install start to finish in about an hour. A little over 11 hours later Anaconda announced preparation to install (downloading selected packages apparently) had finished. Now, an hour later, it's proceeded to install only 225 of the total of 859 selected packages.
Total time to install was about 16 hours, which was extended in large part by the babysitting requirement and not being able to babysit the whole time. Anaconda was repeatedly telling me some file was unavailable, and waited each time for me to choose between abort install and try again. Total files that happened on I estimate to have been around 50. On several of those files, I grabbed it with wget on another machine, and found lag and download time to be in normal range, proving the problem had little or nothing directly to do with the mirror. So apparently, Anaconda behaves like SUSE's Smart, and doesn't automatically retry well enough, but I felt no sense that had much to do with the overall slowness. "Preparing to install" should take at most maybe 30 minutes, nowhere near 11 hours. -- ". . . . in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you . . . ." Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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