I use suse as a workstation with Antivir as a virus scanner, but this machine still send viruses or worm to other computers on LAN, to our mail server, to all customer, etc. our mail server use redhat 9.0 (shrike) with fprot antivirus for mail server, but it's still send viruses/worm to all of our customers. So I, install the application that act as mail proxy, check email that send by my smtp port (evolution mail client), and use another port to send my email. I use avmailgate as antivirus for smtp (postfix). You can choose another aplication like this, such as amavisd-new, it support many virus scanners. so far so good, but some times, my machine still send mail with viruses/worm. I think antivir-avmailgate still miss it..... On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 05:37, peter Nikolic wrote:

On Saturday 05 Jun 2004 23:11, LeRoy DeVries wrote:

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I am new to Suse and Linux. Which is your favorite virus scanner. Also is there a Window Popup Stopper for Konqueror.

you only need a virus scanner if you are intending to act as an mail server to a windows machine Linux does not suffer from viruses as long as you are not running as root you are not bomb proof but as close as is reasonable

Pop-up stoppers are another thing you do not need it is built into Konqueror cant remember just where but in the configeration somewhere ..

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Hehehe.....on Saturday and Sunday, I was at home and my office computer is shutdown, but there is a notification today from other mail server, that my computer send viruses on Saturday, june 5th 2004. ==> This is body email notification: Spam detection software, running on the system "mailserver.xxxxx.com", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or block similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The file you have sent was infected with a virus but InterScan E-Mail VirusWall could not clean it. [...] Content analysis details: (5.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 4.1 SUBJ_HAS_SPACES Subject contains lots of white space -0.0 BAYES_44 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 44 to 50% [score: 0.4776] 2.7 SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID Subject contains a unique ID 2.0 DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 Date: is 6 to 12 hours after Received: date -3.4 AWL AWL: Auto-whitelist adjustment ==> This is header from this notification: Return-Path: <> Delivered-To: dahandoko@xxxxx.com Received: (qmail 1944 invoked by uid 503); 5 Jun 2004 06:10:21 -0000 Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] by mailserver.xxxxxx.com with SpamAssassin (2.60 1.212-2003-09-23-exp); Sat, 05 Jun 2004 13:10:34 +0700 From: SGposter To: Subject: [***SPAM***] Failed to clean virus file old_photos.txt .exe Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 14:02:50 -0400 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on mailserver.xxxxxxx.com X-Spam-Level: ***** X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_44, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,SUBJ_HAS_SPACES,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_40C163DA.04254529" ==> This is the header from mail that "my machine" sent with viruses: Received: from by mailserver.xxxx.com by uid 107 with qmail-scanner-1.20rc4 (clamuko: 0.70. f-prot: 3.12/. spamassassin: 2.60. Clear:RC:0:SA:0(3.1/5.0):. Processed in 8.397553 secs); 05 Jun 2004 06:10:21 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 required=5.0 Received: from unknown (HELO mail01.sg.schneider-electric.com) (203.120.62.227) by 10.3.8.66 with SMTP; 5 Jun 2004 06:10:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 14:02:50 -0400 From: SGposter To: Subject: Failed to clean virus file old_photos.txt .exe X-Qmail-Scanner-Message-ID: <10864158136531800@mailserver.xxxxxx.com> Our office mail server use f-prot as virus scanner and clamuko as antivirus mailserver. Is it possible that actually, our mailserver was sending virusess??? Hope it can help....;-) Regards, Angga -----Original Message----- From: Anders Johansson [mailto:andjoh@rydsbo.net] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:43 AM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Virus Scanner On Monday 07 June 2004 03.35, Hangga wrote:

I use suse as a workstation with Antivir as a virus scanner, but this machine still send viruses or worm to other computers on LAN, to our mail server, to all customer, etc. our mail server use redhat 9.0 (shrike) with fprot antivirus for mail server, but it's still send viruses/worm to all of our customers.

Nice try. Your SuSE workstation has never sent a virus or worm to anyone unless you yourself composed it and sent it.

On Sunday 06 June 2004 7:39 pm, Mas Hangga wrote:

Hehehe.....on Saturday and Sunday, I was at home and my office computer is shutdown, but there is a notification today from other mail server, that my computer send viruses on Saturday, june 5th 2004.

Received: from unknown (HELO mail01.sg.schneider-electric.com) (203.120.62.227) by 10.3.8.66 with SMTP; 5 Jun 2004 06:10:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 14:02:50 -0400

Unless your machine is the one relaying thru mail01.sg.schneider-electric.com, then that 'virus mail' isn't from you, it is simply one of the zillions out there with a faked return address... this time _your_ address.

Our office mail server use f-prot as virus scanner and clamuko as antivirus mailserver. Is it possible that actually, our mailserver was sending virusess??? Hope it can help....;-)

I think you are trusting the 'from' address too much, it means nothing. You have to check the received lines to determine where a piece of mail came from. The best analogy I've seen is snail mail. The 'from' address is analogous to the 'from' address printed on a letter. That address doesn't have to match the return address on the envelope used to mail the letter. Scott -- POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.4-54.5-default

Anders Johansson wrote:

On Monday 07 June 2004 03.35, Hangga wrote:

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I use suse as a workstation with Antivir as a virus scanner, but this machine still send viruses or worm to other computers on LAN, to our mail server, to all customer, etc. our mail server use redhat 9.0 (shrike) with fprot antivirus for mail server, but it's still send viruses/worm to all of our customers.

Nice try.

No, he states fact, read the facts below and you'll agree, if you are of the right material for one of the top jobs. Remember Worldcom didn't get where they are today without logical thinking and SCO will also get there tomorrow.

Your SuSE workstation has never sent a virus or worm to anyone unless you yourself composed it and sent it.

If Linux is anywhere in the loop, then Linux is the cause of viruses spreading. If it's all Windows, then it's the fault and stupidity of the end user. No use arguing otherwise as I've found at work, Linux is always the obvious suspect. You need this sort of logical thinking as a pre-/co-req for the jobs of Prime Minister and President and their cabinets, perhaps CEO's/CIO's as well. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer Linux Only Shop.

On Monday 07 Jun 2004 14:12, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:

What are you talking about? I suppose Linux is therefore responsibly for all copyright infringment and other criminal activities since the packets might fly through a GNU/Linux box?

You not thinking straight on this at all. If you want to tell me that you want your Free Software mail server to filter out Windows based viruses, then thats one thing. But it is another thing all together to stand on your head and insist that Free Software Desktops are responsible for the replication and plague Windows vernabilities which take place due to extream negligence of IT decision makers for adopting an insecure OS for their desktop standard, and then AGREE to sign a contract which makes the negligent product off the hook for damages they create in their recklessness.

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If Linux is anywhere in the loop, then Linux is the cause of viruses spreading. If it's all Windows, then it's the fault and stupidity of the end user. No use arguing otherwise as I've found at work, Linux is always the obvious suspect. You need this sort of logical thinking as a pre-/co-req for the jobs of Prime Minister and President and their cabinets, perhaps CEO's/CIO's as well. Regards Sid.

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Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:

What are you talking about? I suppose Linux is therefore responsibly for all copyright infringment and other criminal activities since the packets might fly through a GNU/Linux box?

NO and NEVER. As a Linux user from the first version Linus put up for ftp, I've had all the brickbats thrown at me, "Boys own Unix", "propagates viruses", " Linux can't, won't, will never, will never until". Some of those guys, some software piundits of note, are now Linux converts.

You not thinking straight on this at all. If you want to tell me that you want your Free Software mail server to filter out Windows based viruses, then thats one thing. But it is another thing all together to stand on your head and insist that Free Software Desktops are responsible for the replication and plague Windows vernabilities which take place due to extream negligence of IT decision makers for adopting an insecure OS for their desktop standard, and then AGREE to sign a contract which makes the negligent product off the hook for damages they create in their recklessness.

I see you agree with me on the types of people that are the IT decision makers, the incompetent hire the incompetent to succeed them. NO, I'M THINKING STRAIGHT. It galled me that I developed a Desktop Linux distro based on RedHat for Corporate use, but they decided to carry on paying MS, laying off people to pay MS, suffering from viruses like the proverbial dog chasing its tail, lost work, data loss and crashes. At work I coined the term MAIDS (Microsoft Artificial Immunity Deficiency Syndrome) to describe it. The fastest words out of colleagues to any problems I had was "Its that Linux you are using", which illicited a curt reply.

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If Linux is anywhere in the loop, then Linux is the cause of viruses spreading. If it's all Windows, then it's the fault and stupidity of the end user. No use arguing otherwise as I've found at work, Linux is always the obvious suspect. You need this sort of logical thinking as a pre-/co-req for the jobs of Prime Minister and President and their cabinets, perhaps CEO's/CIO's as well. Regards Sid.

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=================== LINUX ONLY SHOP ========== Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer Linux Only Shop.

Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:

What viruses?

Lucky fellow! You've not heard of Windows then, wish I hadn't and I rarely touch it, then only with heavy gloves and mask that barely lets you breathe. The issue of viruses arises -- Windows is wide open, so viruses spread however they are passed on. If a Windows machine passes on a virus in an email to a Linux box and then the Linux box does nothing with it and just passes it on to Windows boxes that get cratered, Linux gets the BLAME. If a Windows box gets a virus, does nothing with it and passes it on to other Windows boxes, then the end users of the Windows boxes get the BLAME. Spot the important difference ?. Linux is there to protect Windows, a-la-MS having to hide their sites behind Linux ISP's to protect them from attack, that explains why anti-virus software on Linux is necessary, like the guy from Symantec ranted on in London the other day, though his rationale was that Linux was just as or more insecure than Windows, just that it's not a big enough target, so we needed to feed his industry, so when Linux is a big enough target and we wake up from our slumber, we will have their support and superior knowledge to fix the unfixed bugs after they have cratered our boxes. Scary, but I don't have the cash to support that industry. To the guy who asked the original question, there are a number of anti-virus solutions that run on Linux to protect Windows, a google search on Linux anti-virus would yeild many hits. I don't go to any anti-virus church and I'm a disbeliever. Regards Sid.

On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 04:11:27PM -0600, LeRoy DeVries wrote:

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I am new to Suse and Linux. Which is your favorite virus scanner. Also is there a Window Popup Stopper for Konqueror.

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I used Mcafee antivirus for unix version,that's good for mailbox scan! -----Original Message----- From: Mike McMullin [mailto:mwmcmlln@mnsi.net] Sent: 2004年6月6日 22:46 To: SLE Subject: Re: [SLE] Virus Scanner On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 08:34, Sid Boyce wrote:

Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:

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What viruses?

Lucky fellow! You've not heard of Windows then, wish I hadn't and I rarely touch it, then only with heavy gloves and mask that barely lets you breathe. The issue of viruses arises -- Windows is wide open, so viruses spread however they are passed on. If a Windows machine passes on a virus in an email to a Linux box and then the Linux box does nothing with it and just passes it on to Windows boxes that get cratered, Linux gets the BLAME. If a Windows box gets a virus, does nothing with it and passes it on to other Windows boxes, then the end users of the Windows boxes get the BLAME. Spot the important difference ?. Linux is there to protect Windows, a-la-MS having to hide their sites behind Linux ISP's to protect them from attack, that explains why anti-virus software on Linux is

You wouldn't happen to have a source for that MS hiding behind Linux would you?

necessary, like the guy from Symantec ranted on in London the other day, though his rationale was that Linux was just as or more insecure than Windows, just that it's not a big enough target, so we needed to feed his industry, so when Linux is a big enough target and we wake up from our slumber, we will have their support and superior knowledge to fix the unfixed bugs after they have cratered our boxes. Scary, but I don't have the cash to support that industry. To the guy who asked the original question, there are a number of anti-virus solutions that run on Linux to protect Windows, a google search on Linux anti-virus would yeild many hits. I don't go to any anti-virus church and I'm a disbeliever. Regards Sid.

Oddly enough there is a Linux based pay for it anti-Virus scanner. I think it's intended when the box is used as a mail transport agent. The name escapes me, but I remember seeing the vendor's name on a number of mother board cd's. Mike -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 15:26, Sid Boyce wrote:

NiCK wrote:

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I used Mcafee antivirus for unix version,that's good for mailbox scan!

-----Original Message----- From: Mike McMullin [mailto:mwmcmlln@mnsi.net] Sent: 2004年6月6日 22:46 To: SLE Subject: Re: [SLE] Virus Scanner

On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 08:34, Sid Boyce wrote:

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Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote:

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What viruses?

Lucky fellow! You've not heard of Windows then, wish I hadn't and I rarely touch it, then only with heavy gloves and mask that barely lets you breathe. The issue of viruses arises -- Windows is wide open, so viruses spread however they are passed on. If a Windows machine passes on a virus in an email to a Linux box and then the Linux box does nothing with it and just passes it on to Windows boxes that get cratered, Linux gets the BLAME. If a Windows box gets a virus, does nothing with it and passes it on to other Windows boxes, then the end users of the Windows boxes get the BLAME. Spot the important difference ?. Linux is there to protect Windows, a-la-MS having to hide their sites behind Linux ISP's to protect them from attack, that explains why anti-virus software on Linux is

You wouldn't happen to have a source for that MS hiding behind Linux would you?

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39115920,00.htm This news came originally from netcraft.com and was widely published elsewhere, checked and verified.

Thanks for the URL Sid. I'll book mark the page for future reference.

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necessary, like the guy from Symantec ranted on in London the other day, though his rationale was that Linux was just as or more insecure than Windows, just that it's not a big enough target, so we needed to feed his industry, so when Linux is a big enough target and we wake up from our slumber, we will have their support and superior knowledge to fix the unfixed bugs after they have cratered our boxes. Scary, but I don't have the cash to support that industry. To the guy who asked the original question, there are a number of anti-virus solutions that run on Linux to protect Windows, a google search on Linux anti-virus would yeild many hits. I don't go to any anti-virus church and I'm a disbeliever. Regards Sid.

Oddly enough there is a Linux based pay for it anti-Virus scanner. I think it's intended when the box is used as a mail transport agent. The name escapes me, but I remember seeing the vendor's name on a number of mother board cd's.

Mike

There are a few around besides the opensource ones. Ataro Linux also has an all-round good firewall with anti-virus, spam filtering, VPN, etc. www.astaro.com. I tried it during its early days, but then it only supported ethernet locally and dial-up to the remote, now it supports multiple outside connections via dial-up, ADSL etc. Astaro is available free and I gather they are doing rather well with sales, it uses a remote browser locally for admin, automatic updates, etc. You can see why it would be the obvious solution for Corporate use. Regards Sid.

Sounds like to something to consider for a project I'm supposed to be doing with a friend for his business. Mike