-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 29 April 2003 11:11 am, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

* Nebbish (nebbish@sprynet.com) [030429 11:09]: ->I just replaced my old video card with a Radeon 9000(not a pro) ... -> from my search through the archives I thought it would be the ati driver. ->Any help in getting this to work would be greatly appreciated. ->I checked the ati site and the only drivers were for XFree 4.1 and 4.2. I ->assume it would be a bad idea to install these on 8.2, or would this be ->fine?

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same chipset. Your mileage may vary but you could try it. Have a look at ATI's site for the driver.

(wow, twice in one day) Ummm... take a look at the last line of his original query:

->I checked the ati site and the only drivers were for XFree 4.1 and 4.2. I ->assume it would be a bad idea to install these on 8.2, or would this be ->fine?

[and in fact, elsewhere on this thread it is noted that the 4.2 driver will explicitly UNLOAD itself because 4.2 <> 4.3] It is "letter writing time" again to get ATI off it's duff and either relax their paranoia settings [the original ATI driver made an explicit check and would unload itself if you had a "POWERED BY" card instead of a "BUILT BY" card...] -OR- ATI should be more pro-active in certifying for new releases of Xfree [this can't take more than a day -- after all, it should be as simple as a pass/fail test suite. (*)] Odd "corner-case" errors should be dealt with if and when reported -- makes everyone happier [or, at least I *hope* that people wouldn't be overzealous in criticizing ATI for bugs found with v4.3 "on the first day..."] Tom (*) in the event that said test "fails", a note on their website saying they know it doesn't work AND they are working on a fix would go a long way towards eliminating useless inquiries... - -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://osnut.homelinux.net/TomEmerson.asc iD8DBQE+rs8wV/YHUqq2SwsRAkuAAJ99EzbJ/mh64IpaPsNjVmKv72YnjQCgkjwl eXiEci+5lbfcfW3kSXE7/Rk= =DT6N -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Tuesday 29 April 2003 3:38 pm, Martin wrote:

I guess I'm already through this with my radeon. I've upgraded X 4.2 to 4.3 (running 8.1) using SuSE rpms and 3D didn't work, I was getting ~ 300fps at most. I've downloaded 4.3 drivers from here http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=12629 and now it works fine, I'm getting up to 3000fps.

Martin, Which card are you using? 3000 fps for the full window gears? or the small window? Do you have radeon or ati as the driver?

* Tom Emerson (osnut@pacbell.net) [030429 12:22]: ->[...] ->> same chipset. Your mileage may vary but you could try it. Have a look at ->> ATI's site for the driver. -> ->(wow, twice in one day) Ummm... take a look at the last line of his original ->query: -> ->> ->I checked the ati site and the only drivers were for XFree 4.1 and 4.2. I ->> ->assume it would be a bad idea to install these on 8.2, or would this be ->> ->fine? -> ->[and in fact, elsewhere on this thread it is noted that the 4.2 driver will ->explicitly UNLOAD itself because 4.2 <> 4.3] -> Excuse me. But I sent his email because the article said that the driver they had on their site was for 4.3.0. I only sent this email because my co-worker offered me a 128M Radeon 9000 for $50 and I researched it. The file I downloaded was the following. glx1_linux_X4.3.zip I'm not stupid..I did understand that he needed the 4.3 driver or I wouldn't have piped in. And I got this driver from ATI's site..I don't have the URL. oops I figured a search would reveal it. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I'll tell you what you should see.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 29 April 2003 2:05 pm, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

* Tom Emerson (osnut@pacbell.net) [030429 12:22]: -> ... the last line of his original query: -> ->I checked the ati site and the only drivers were for XFree 4.1/4.2

Excuse me. But I sent his email because the article said that the driver they had on their site was for 4.3.0.

My apologies if this sounded a little harsher than intended -- if indeed ATI has 4.3 drivers on their site, this has happened in the last 24 hours and I wasn't aware of it.

co-worker offered me a 128M Radeon 9000 for $50 and I researched it. The file I downloaded was the following.

glx1_linux_X4.3.zip

then that isn't ATI's driver [or, at least, not the one offered on ATI's site] http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html [which reads] * ATI Linux Driver Version 2.5.1: 1. Install the Driver Package for XFree 4.1.0 OR Install the Driver Package for XFree 4.2.0. Xfree86 Driver Version Version 4.1.0 X4.1.0-2.5.1 4.2.0 X4.2.0-2.5.1 Posted: November 29,2002 Released/Not Supported

And I got this driver from ATI's site..I don't have the URL. oops I figured a search would reveal it.

in the next message, "Dep" pointed out a german site that has the file you're talking about, however that isn't ATI's site [so far as I can tell] and as I've pointed out above, a search of ATI's site wouldn't have found a 4.3 version [please don't take this personally -- I'm just pointing out "what I know" of the situation -- I was unaware of this "other" version of the driver] I too have a 128mb "9000", though it falls under the category of "powered by" rather than "built by" [call me finicky, but for certain components I do like to stick with a "name brand"; in this case I was "convinced" that "3rd party products are just as good", and then suitably cheesed-off when ATI's "official" driver refused to operate with a "powered by" card...] While I've been writing this response, I've just downloaded the glx1 file you mentioned, so I'd like to know how well it is working for you before I take a shot at it [and in particular, is the "9000" card you have "powered by" or "built by"? As I've said, it *has* made a difference in the past in regards to ATI drivers...] - -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://osnut.homelinux.net/TomEmerson.asc iD8DBQE+ryIrV/YHUqq2SwsRAiVCAJ4p0JkgahJcGQFqHsqdp55L3bWrNgCgoxXh EfR3SexeEIaZ3ixs19MwEgU= =qnMP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Tuesday 29 April 2003 9:53 pm, dep wrote:

begin Tom Emerson's quote: | I too have a 128mb "9000", though it falls under the category of | "powered by" rather than "built by" [call me finicky, but for | certain components I do like to stick with a "name brand"; in this | case I was "convinced" that "3rd party products are just as good", | and then suitably cheesed-off when ATI's "official" driver refused | to operate with a "powered by" card...] While I've been writing | this response, I've just downloaded the glx1 file you mentioned, so | I'd like to know how well it is working for you before I take a | shot at it [and in particular, is the "9000" card you have "powered | by" or "built by"? As I've said, it *has* made a difference in the | past in regards to ATI drivers...]

dep wrote a quick pokearound the instant package is not entirely reassuring. from the readme: ---- snipped --- No package available for glibc 2.3. Try fglrx-glibc22-X43.tgz [eoq]

so, according to the documentation and utilities included in the package, it works and it doesn't. this is on 8.2.

Thanks Ben, dep, Tom and Martin but I had no luck with either option. I ran into the same dead end as dep (needing fglrx-glibc22-X43.tgz). It also seemed to me that recompiling the kernel might be needed, which is still a bit over my head. Martin your track failed miserably. My fps dropped to 100 small and 15 full. So I reverted back to my original setup. But it might have been my tinkerings not the packages ... I'm not sure if this will help anyone but when i tried to revert back to the original config, my fps didn't go back to where they were. Luckily I remembered that i had disabled AGP top performance and AGP fast write in the bios. After enabling these my fps were back to where they were when i starrted. Well at least it doesn't crash like it did with my old card, and at least the frequency goes high enough where I don't get light headed minutes after sitting down at the computer. I guess I should enjoy what