Once and again this topic emerges. I have yet to find out what's it about. Debian says that QPL is incompatible with GPL. Case seems clear cut, but then the KDE guys say that it's not true. And SuSE and others include KDE with their distrobution. I expect SuSE to have lawyers going trrough license terms, so how come that SuSE can distribute KDE and Debian can not? Can this matter be answered without any flame? Can it be answered in a simple manner so I can understand it? -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:25:29PM +0200, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
Debian says that QPL is incompatible with GPL. Case seems clear cut, but then the KDE guys say that it's not true. And SuSE and others include KDE with their distrobution. I expect SuSE to have lawyers going trrough license terms, so how come that SuSE can distribute KDE and Debian can not?
The QPL does not meet the free software guidelines that Debian has established. As you know, Debian will only include software that meets those guidelines in its distribution. That is why they have never included KDE. Most, if not all of the work in KDE is covered under the GPL. Unfortunately, QT (the widget library) is owned by Troll Tech, and thus covered under the QPL. To be honest, the matter could probably be resolved quite easily. Unfortunately, this has become IMHO a pissing match. There does not seem to be any legal issue involved as far as including KDE in a distribution, otherwise Red Hat, SuSE, and others would not do it. I hope that helps :-) Victor -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Who Cares, you are right it is a big pissing match. This is a support list not a lets argue about lic. issues. IF you all what to argue about Lic Issue with Suse do it in personal mail... Thank You.... vcardona@home.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:25:29PM +0200, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
Debian says that QPL is incompatible with GPL. Case seems clear cut, but then the KDE guys say that it's not true. And SuSE and others include KDE with their distrobution. I expect SuSE to have lawyers going trrough license terms, so how come that SuSE can distribute KDE and Debian can not?
The QPL does not meet the free software guidelines that Debian has established. As you know, Debian will only include software that meets those guidelines in its distribution. That is why they have never included KDE. Most, if not all of the work in KDE is covered under the GPL. Unfortunately, QT (the widget library) is owned by Troll Tech, and thus covered under the QPL.
To be honest, the matter could probably be resolved quite easily. Unfortunately, this has become IMHO a pissing match. There does not seem to be any legal issue involved as far as including KDE in a distribution, otherwise Red Hat, SuSE, and others would not do it.
I hope that helps :-)
Victor
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Patrick Wilke wrote: Who Cares this is getting very old, you are right it is a big pissing match. This is a support list not a lets argue about lic. issues. If you all want to argue about Lic Issue with Suse do it in personal mail... Thank You....
vcardona@home.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:25:29PM +0200, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
Debian says that QPL is incompatible with GPL. Case seems clear cut, but then the KDE guys say that it's not true. And SuSE and others include KDE with their distrobution. I expect SuSE to have lawyers going trrough license terms, so how come that SuSE can distribute KDE and Debian can not?
The QPL does not meet the free software guidelines that Debian has established. As you know, Debian will only include software that meets those guidelines in its distribution. That is why they have never included KDE. Most, if not all of the work in KDE is covered under the GPL. Unfortunately, QT (the widget library) is owned by Troll Tech, and thus covered under the QPL.
To be honest, the matter could probably be resolved quite easily. Unfortunately, this has become IMHO a pissing match. There does not seem to be any legal issue involved as far as including KDE in a distribution, otherwise Red Hat, SuSE, and others would not do it.
I hope that helps :-)
Victor
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:25:29PM +0200, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
Debian says that QPL is incompatible with GPL. Case seems clear cut, but then the KDE guys say that it's not true. And SuSE and others include KDE with their distrobution. I expect SuSE to have lawyers going trrough license terms, so how come that SuSE can distribute KDE and Debian can not?
You misunderstand. Debian CHOOSES not to distribute KDE because the QPL is not the GPL. The QPL is a Free license, so saith RMS. Debian guys say `not free enough'. No KDE in Debian GNU/Linux. -- -=|JP|=- "Why, oh, why didn't I take the blue pill?" Jon Pennington | Atipa Linux Solutions -o) jpennington@atipa.com | http://www.atipa.com /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | 816-595-3000 x1550 _\_V 6D04 39E0 CAE9 9ADA 2CA3 2EBE 898A 6C37 CA1E A29C -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
"Jon" == Jon Pennington <jpennington@atipa.com> writes:
> You misunderstand. Debian CHOOSES not to distribute KDE because > the QPL is not the GPL. The QPL is a Free license, so saith > RMS. Debian guys say `not free enough'. No KDE in Debian > GNU/Linux. IIRC, Debian's problem is not with the QPL right now, but with GPL programs that are retooled to be KDE apps (such as kgv, etc). There is a conflict of licenses here. Charles -- ===================================================== One Net to rule them all, One Net to find them, One Net to bring them all, and with Linux bind them. ===================================================== -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:06:28AM -0500, Jon Pennington wrote:
On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:25:29PM +0200, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
Debian says that QPL is incompatible with GPL. Case seems clear cut, but then the KDE guys say that it's not true. And SuSE and others include KDE with their distrobution. I expect SuSE to have lawyers going trrough license terms, so how come that SuSE can distribute KDE and Debian can not?
You misunderstand. Debian CHOOSES not to distribute KDE because the QPL is not the GPL. The QPL is a Free license, so saith RMS. Debian guys say `not free enough'. No KDE in Debian GNU/Linux.
I forgot to mention the fact that just because it's not in the distribution does not mean you can't get binaries. For those who care, my sources.list file looks like this: #-- Standard deb locations deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free #-- KDE debs deb ftp://kde.tdyc.com/pub/kde woody kde contrib rkrusty deb ftp://kde.tdyc.com/pub/kde woody kde2 contrib rkrusty #-- Helix GNOME debs deb ftp://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main The KDE Debs section allows me access (through apt-get) access to KDE 1.2 and CVS snapshots of KDE2. -- -=|JP|=- "Why, oh, why didn't I take the blue pill?" Jon Pennington | Atipa Linux Solutions -o) jpennington@atipa.com | http://www.atipa.com /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | 816-595-3000 x1550 _\_V 6D04 39E0 CAE9 9ADA 2CA3 2EBE 898A 6C37 CA1E A29C -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
You misunderstand. Debian CHOOSES not to distribute KDE because the QPL is not the GPL. The QPL is a Free license, so saith RMS. Debian guys say `not free enough'. No KDE in Debian GNU/Linux.
Don't think so. According to the latest debian attacks I've seen, they think that GPL is incompatible with QPL. They're both free, but cannot be used in the same program, as I understand their logic. So I'd like to hear the other side of the debate, but maybe it is, as someone mentioned, only a pissing match :-( -- Kaare Rasmussen --Linux, spil,-- Tlf: 3816 2582 Kaki Data tshirts, merchandize Fax: 3816 2582 Howitzvej 75 Åben 14.00-18.00 Email: kar@webline.dk 2000 Frederiksberg Lørdag 11.00-17.00 Web: www.suse.dk -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
* Kaare Rasmussen <kar@webline.dk>:
Debian says that QPL is incompatible with GPL. Case seems clear cut, but then the KDE guys say that it's not true. And SuSE and others include KDE with their distrobution. I expect SuSE to have lawyers going trrough license terms, so how come that SuSE can distribute KDE and Debian can not?
This link explains Debian's position, which is essentially that nobody has the right to use KDE: http://www.debian.org/News/1998/19981008 The Free Software Foundations official position on the QPL is that it is a free software liscense, but that it is incompatible with the GPL See: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html I haven't been able to locate any statement from KDE, or else I would put that link here. (Anybody have a link?)
Can this matter be answered without any flame?
I doubt it ;-) Well, maybe on this list we can avoid it. David -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
I haven't been able to locate any statement from KDE, or else I would put that link here. (Anybody have a link?)
I think this is what I asked for. Thanks for the links. -- Kaare Rasmussen --Linux, spil,-- Tlf: 3816 2582 Kaki Data tshirts, merchandize Fax: 3816 2582 Howitzvej 75 Åben 14.00-18.00 Email: kar@webline.dk 2000 Frederiksberg Lørdag 11.00-17.00 Web: www.suse.dk -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
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