Re: [opensuse] lease do *NOT* automatically install hplip packages..!!
p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }> There are two ways to packaging decisions One is to have everything
that you might ever need installed, or at least recommended, to makes things easy when using the system (the kernel does this, it has drivers for everything possible, but most of them as modules). Space is cheap nowdays, and so is bandwidth - but not always, not everywhere.
The other method is to install the minimal amount possible, and instead install what is necessary later, on demand, automatic or manual.
Both things are not possible, and each person wants one of the methods and dislikes the other :-)
On the other hand, we have another issue: recommended packages are handled differently since 13.2. It is not easy to disable them.
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
You may then use of course meta-packages or patterns to pull in a whole bunch of rpm. This is the way they do with ktp. so one could do a printer pattern by producer. All this said: this does not take into account the limited (and not so well paid if ever) human resources of the project. Every atomization of the work-flow will cost resources. If the packaging process once set up is automatic the latter argument does obviously not hold. While I personally understand to install the less possible, for reasons of new users coming from outside of the linux world (that have been told that it is not compatible bla bla bla, I would rather stick for hardware driver (like printer) to install all OSS drivers available. These are not a humongous load. Of course if HP, Lexmark, Samsung want to insist on proprietary stuff they should end up in separate packages to be on demand. Just my thoughts about that exchange you had here. Saluti, Saludos, Cheers, :-) --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! http://email.freenet.de/basic/Informationen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-09-14 08:33, stakanov@freenet.de wrote:
p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }> There are two ways to packaging decisions One is to have everything
that you might ever need installed, or at least recommended, to makes
Your mail handling is breaking mail list threading, somehow. I detected your response by mere chance.
You may then use of course meta-packages or patterns to pull in a whole bunch of rpm. This is the way they do with ktp.
In the factory mail list you can see the reply from packagers on this precise issue. Those patterns do exist.
so one could do a printer pattern by producer.
That would be a lot of work, if it is not done upstream. on the other hand, only the hplip packages are large enough, and they come separately.
All this said: this does not take into account the limited (and not so well paid if ever) human resources of the project. Every atomization of the work-flow will cost resources. If the packaging process once set up is automatic the latter argument does obviously not hold.
While I personally understand to install the less possible, for reasons of new users coming from outside of the linux world (that have been told that it is not compatible bla bla bla, I would rather stick for hardware driver (like printer) to install all OSS drivers available. These are not a humongous load. Of course if HP, Lexmark, Samsung want to insist on proprietary stuff they should end up in separate packages to be on demand.
Yes. At least, the HP packages are free and open, and thus, included in the distribution. Other makers you have to go fetch them from the respective manufacturer site. YaST can be made, if it is still not done, to automatically suggest to install hplip the moment the user requests to configure an HP printer/scanner. That would not be a big issue to new users. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlX21h8ACgkQja8UbcUWM1zmJwD+Lrts0lApHa2OrApjUmpxps+T fNbD+0wLaM9zWLjSjZEA/3Xd8c/RavGvDQrjYKu13Ga6COHe4n5R1+w51PWE4A7E =eWma -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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