[opensuse] Amarok and projectM visualization
Anyone got any hints on how to get Amarok to show the projectM visualizations under SuSE11.2, KDE4.4.1 Amarok 2.2.90? I found and installed the projectM package, libvisual is also installed.. but not sure how to proceed and get Amarok to set up its menus so the visualizations can be displayed... Marc..
Anyone got any hints on how to get Amarok to show the projectM visualizations under SuSE11.2, KDE4.4.1 Amarok 2.2.90? I found and installed the projectM package, libvisual is also installed.. but not sure how to proceed and get Amarok to set up its menus so the visualizations can be displayed...
Marc..
On 18/03/10 06:32, Marc Chamberlin wrote: projectM has not been integrated into Amarok 2, it just runs separately. Basically you need to use pulseaudio (or jack) and run projectM-pulseaudio (or projectM-jack). It then displays visualizations in its own window of audio from any player. There appears to be a packaged version on the OBS in home:theMarix:KDE:Community. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 3/18/2010 5:28 AM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 18/03/10 06:32, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Anyone got any hints on how to get Amarok to show the projectM visualizations under SuSE11.2, KDE4.4.1 Amarok 2.2.90? I found and installed the projectM package, libvisual is also installed.. but not sure how to proceed and get Amarok to set up its menus so the visualizations can be displayed...
Marc..
projectM has not been integrated into Amarok 2, it just runs separately.
Basically you need to use pulseaudio (or jack) and run projectM-pulseaudio (or projectM-jack). It then displays visualizations in its own window of audio from any player. There appears to be a packaged version on the OBS in home:theMarix:KDE:Community.
Regards, Tejas
Thanks Tejas for your reply. Unfortunately I am still confused... You said I need to use pulseaudio, which I gather means I must install the package(s) for pulseaudio. Looking at the documentation, this seems to be a sound system for GNOME? Or at least another layer in the layers of sound system components... Does this replace the ALSA sound system that KDE installed/uses? If so, will this affect other applications that are dependent on ALSA? You also said there is a packaged version available, but unfortunately you lost me.. I figured out that the TLA (three letter acronym) for OBS means "openSuse Build Service" but I don't understand the reference to home:theMarix:KDE:Community. I have the repository for KDE Community installed into YaST to fetch packages from there, are these one and the same or are you referring to a different repository? If so, could you simply give me the URL I should be using to set it up? And exactly what packages do I need to install? I started to fool around with installing the pulseaudio package and that led to a package conflict error with the only resolution being to uninstall another package called KDE4_Pure..... Since I, and apparently a number of other users don't understand what this package is, from my internet searches, I decided to halt and ask more questions before proceeding... What is gonna break if I do uninstall this package? On another front, I noticed in Amarok that they have some sort of ability to configure one's sound system also. But it only refers to (what appears to me as yet another grand and glorious sound system layer...) something called Phonon. An internet search about it revealed very little intelligent documentation other than to say it too will handle all your multimedia devices for you.. So do I need to install and try to understand this Phonon layer as well.. This is getting COMPLICATED! Thanks again for any and all offers of help... Marc..
On Thursday 18 March 2010 22:16:44 Marc Chamberlin wrote:
On 3/18/2010 5:28 AM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 18/03/10 06:32, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Anyone got any hints on how to get Amarok to show the projectM visualizations under SuSE11.2, KDE4.4.1 Amarok 2.2.90? I found and installed the projectM package, libvisual is also installed.. but not sure how to proceed and get Amarok to set up its menus so the visualizations can be displayed...
Marc..
projectM has not been integrated into Amarok 2, it just runs separately.
Basically you need to use pulseaudio (or jack) and run projectM-pulseaudio (or projectM-jack). It then displays visualizations in its own window of audio from any player. There appears to be a packaged version on the OBS in home:theMarix:KDE:Community.
Regards, Tejas
Thanks Tejas for your reply. Unfortunately I am still confused...
Hi Marc, if I may chime in...
You said I need to use pulseaudio, which I gather means I must install the package(s) for pulseaudio. Looking at the documentation, this seems to be a sound system for GNOME? Or at least another layer in the layers of sound system components... Does this replace the ALSA sound system that KDE installed/uses? If so, will this affect other applications that are dependent on ALSA?
Pulseaudio is another layer on top of ALSA. KDE/Amarok uses Phonon which uses one of [xine|pulseaudio|gstreamer] which use ALSA (slightly simplified explanation, the layers in [] are also capable of doing it with each other in various tantric positions; if you are lucky, your Ogg or whatever will reach the hardware ;). Using Pulseaudio can affect other applications' uses of ALSA because PA expects to have sole access to the hardware and make everything else goes through it. In KDE 3, ProjectM was hooked into the sound stream at the top of the pile, in Amarok. Since Amarok does not have ProjectM support in KDE 4, Tejas suggests using ProjectM's PA integration to connect it up further down the stack.
You also said there is a packaged version available, but unfortunately you lost me.. I figured out that the TLA (three letter acronym) for OBS means "openSuse Build Service" but I don't understand the reference to home:theMarix:KDE:Community. I have the repository for KDE Community installed into YaST to fetch packages from there, are these one and the same or are you referring to a different repository? If so, could you simply give me the URL I should be using to set it up?
home:theMarix:KDE:Community is the identifier of someone's personal OBS project, which produces at least one repository (for different openSUSE versions, etc). If you search for projectM at software.opensuse.org/search you will get search hits from every repository that includes a *projectM* package. I guess you want this repo: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/theMarix:/KDE:/Community/ope...
And exactly what packages do I need to install? I started to fool around with installing the pulseaudio package and that led to a package conflict error with the only resolution being to uninstall another package called KDE4_Pure..... Since I, and apparently a number of other users don't understand what this package is, from my internet searches, I decided to halt and ask more questions before proceeding... What is gonna break if I do uninstall this package?
I haven't experimented with projectM-pulseaudio, so I'll leave this to Tejas & co to answer.
On another front, I noticed in Amarok that they have some sort of ability to configure one's sound system also. But it only refers to (what appears to me as yet another grand and glorious sound system layer...) something called Phonon. An internet search about it revealed very little intelligent documentation other than to say it too will handle all your multimedia devices for you.. So do I need to install and try to understand this Phonon layer as well.. This is getting COMPLICATED!
Phonon is already installed and part of the Qt platform. It's a thin abstraction layer to insulate Qt apps from the vagaries of OS and platform multimedia specifics. Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 3/19/2010 4:03 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:
On Thursday 18 March 2010 22:16:44 Marc Chamberlin wrote:
On 3/18/2010 5:28 AM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 18/03/10 06:32, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Anyone got any hints on how to get Amarok to show the projectM visualizations under SuSE11.2, KDE4.4.1 Amarok 2.2.90? I found and installed the projectM package, libvisual is also installed.. but not sure how to proceed and get Amarok to set up its menus so the visualizations can be displayed...
Marc..
projectM has not been integrated into Amarok 2, it just runs separately.
Basically you need to use pulseaudio (or jack) and run projectM-pulseaudio (or projectM-jack). It then displays visualizations in its own window of audio from any player. There appears to be a packaged version on the OBS in home:theMarix:KDE:Community.
Regards, Tejas
Thanks Tejas for your reply. Unfortunately I am still confused...
Hi Marc, if I may chime in...
You said I need to use pulseaudio, which I gather means I must install the package(s) for pulseaudio. Looking at the documentation, this seems to be a sound system for GNOME? Or at least another layer in the layers of sound system components... Does this replace the ALSA sound system that KDE installed/uses? If so, will this affect other applications that are dependent on ALSA?
Pulseaudio is another layer on top of ALSA.
KDE/Amarok uses Phonon which uses one of [xine|pulseaudio|gstreamer] which use ALSA (slightly simplified explanation, the layers in [] are also capable of doing it with each other in various tantric positions; if you are lucky, your Ogg or whatever will reach the hardware ;).
Using Pulseaudio can affect other applications' uses of ALSA because PA expects to have sole access to the hardware and make everything else goes through it.
In KDE 3, ProjectM was hooked into the sound stream at the top of the pile, in Amarok. Since Amarok does not have ProjectM support in KDE 4, Tejas suggests using ProjectM's PA integration to connect it up further down the stack.
You also said there is a packaged version available, but unfortunately you lost me.. I figured out that the TLA (three letter acronym) for OBS means "openSuse Build Service" but I don't understand the reference to home:theMarix:KDE:Community. I have the repository for KDE Community installed into YaST to fetch packages from there, are these one and the same or are you referring to a different repository? If so, could you simply give me the URL I should be using to set it up?
home:theMarix:KDE:Community is the identifier of someone's personal OBS project, which produces at least one repository (for different openSUSE versions, etc). If you search for projectM at software.opensuse.org/search you will get search hits from every repository that includes a *projectM* package.
I guess you want this repo: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/theMarix:/KDE:/Community/ope...
And exactly what packages do I need to install? I started to fool around with installing the pulseaudio package and that led to a package conflict error with the only resolution being to uninstall another package called KDE4_Pure..... Since I, and apparently a number of other users don't understand what this package is, from my internet searches, I decided to halt and ask more questions before proceeding... What is gonna break if I do uninstall this package?
I haven't experimented with projectM-pulseaudio, so I'll leave this to Tejas& co to answer.
On another front, I noticed in Amarok that they have some sort of ability to configure one's sound system also. But it only refers to (what appears to me as yet another grand and glorious sound system
layer...) something called Phonon. An internet search about it revealed very little intelligent documentation other than to say it too will handle all your multimedia devices for you.. So do I need to install and try to understand this Phonon layer as well.. This is getting COMPLICATED!
Phonon is already installed and part of the Qt platform. It's a thin abstraction layer to insulate Qt apps from the vagaries of OS and platform multimedia specifics.
Will
-- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex
Thanks Will, Tejas for your help, but I am still not out of the woods yet. I found and installed the projectM-pulseaudio package. I can now bring up the projectM visualization but it is clearly not responding to any sound output from Amarok yet. It seems to generate patterns ok but not in sync to either volume or freq as I would expect. So something is still missing... I followed as best I could, the instructions at http://en.opensuse.org/PulseAudio to try and set up KDE to use the PulseAudio sound layer. All the packages that are mentioned are installed on my system, but only the pavucontrol seems to work. All the other tools mentioned seem to complain about not being able to connect to a server.. I got no clue as to how to start a PulseAudio server either... The web page at http://en.opensuse.org/Sound-concepts referred me to another page - http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup#ALSAApplications but the instructions there for configuring and setting up PulseAudio do not seem to apply to a SuSE environment. They, for example, refer to some configuration files - /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc neither of which exists. I decided against trying anything else until I could get some further advice. Also Amarok has changed from what is described on that page so I am not sure any of that information is still apropos to what I am trying to accomplish in SuSE11.2... BTW in Amarok if I try to configure Phonon under the Configure Playback -> Sound System Configuration Amarok immediately crashes on me.... Got any ideas on how to get projectM working like it should? Thanks again.. Marc..
On 21/03/10 01:54, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Thanks Will, Tejas for your help, but I am still not out of the woods yet. I found and installed the projectM-pulseaudio package. I can now bring up the projectM visualization but it is clearly not responding to any sound output from Amarok yet. It seems to generate patterns ok but not in sync to either volume or freq as I would expect. So something is still missing... Probably amarok is playing directly to alsa and not through pulseaudio, because it hasn't been set up yet.
I followed as best I could, the instructions at http://en.opensuse.org/PulseAudio to try and set up KDE to use the PulseAudio sound layer. All the packages that are mentioned are installed on my system, but only the pavucontrol seems to work. All the other tools mentioned seem to complain about not being able to connect to a server.. I got no clue as to how to start a PulseAudio server either... How far did you get on following the instructions? Specifically did you get to running setup-pulseaudio --enable ?
The web page at http://en.opensuse.org/Sound-concepts referred me to another page - http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup#ALSAApplications but the instructions there for configuring and setting up PulseAudio do not seem to apply to a SuSE environment. They, for example, refer to some configuration files - /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc neither of which exists. I decided against trying anything else until I could get some further advice. Also Amarok has changed from what is described on that page so I am not sure any of that information is still apropos to what I am trying to accomplish in SuSE11.2... This should be taken care of by setup-pulseaudio. BTW in Amarok if I try to configure Phonon under the Configure Playback -> Sound System Configuration Amarok immediately crashes on me....
Sounds like a mismatch in package versions, what phonon backend are you using? Send the output of rpm -qa | grep phonon Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 3/21/2010 8:23 AM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 21/03/10 01:54, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Thanks Will, Tejas for your help, but I am still not out of the woods yet. I found and installed the projectM-pulseaudio package. I can now bring up the projectM visualization but it is clearly not responding to any sound output from Amarok yet. It seems to generate patterns ok but not in sync to either volume or freq as I would expect. So something is still missing...
Probably amarok is playing directly to alsa and not through pulseaudio, because it hasn't been set up yet.
I followed as best I could, the instructions at http://en.opensuse.org/PulseAudio to try and set up KDE to use the PulseAudio sound layer. All the packages that are mentioned are installed on my system, but only the pavucontrol seems to work. All the other tools mentioned seem to complain about not being able to connect to a server.. I got no clue as to how to start a PulseAudio server either...
How far did you get on following the instructions? Specifically did you get to running setup-pulseaudio --enable ?
The web page at http://en.opensuse.org/Sound-concepts referred me to another page - http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup#ALSAApplications but the instructions there for configuring and setting up PulseAudio do not seem to apply to a SuSE environment. They, for example, refer to some configuration files - /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc neither of which exists. I decided against trying anything else until I could get some further advice. Also Amarok has changed from what is described on that page so I am not sure any of that information is still apropos to what I am trying to accomplish in SuSE11.2...
This should be taken care of by setup-pulseaudio.
BTW in Amarok if I try to configure Phonon under the Configure Playback -> Sound System Configuration Amarok immediately crashes on me....
Sounds like a mismatch in package versions, what phonon backend are you using? Send the output of rpm -qa | grep phonon
Regards, Tejas
Thanks again Tejas for your help... I did run setup-pulseaudio --enable though I did not save the output from it. Perhaps I could run it again if that will help? Here is the output from the rpm query you requested - marc@nova:~> rpm -qa | grep phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer-0_10-4.3.1-3.3.x86_64 libphonon4-4.3.1-3.3.x86_64 phonon-4.3.1-3.3.x86_64 phonon-backend-xine-4.3.1-3.3.x86_64 Marc..
On 21/03/10 22:34, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
On 3/21/2010 8:23 AM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 21/03/10 01:54, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Thanks Will, Tejas for your help, but I am still not out of the woods yet. I found and installed the projectM-pulseaudio package. I can now bring up the projectM visualization but it is clearly not responding to any sound output from Amarok yet. It seems to generate patterns ok but not in sync to either volume or freq as I would expect. So something is still missing... Probably amarok is playing directly to alsa and not through pulseaudio, because it hasn't been set up yet. I followed as best I could, the instructions at http://en.opensuse.org/PulseAudio to try and set up KDE to use the PulseAudio sound layer. All the packages that are mentioned are installed on my system, but only the pavucontrol seems to work. All the other tools mentioned seem to complain about not being able to connect to a server.. I got no clue as to how to start a PulseAudio server either... How far did you get on following the instructions? Specifically did you get to running setup-pulseaudio --enable ? The web page at http://en.opensuse.org/Sound-concepts referred me to another page - http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup#ALSAApplications but the instructions there for configuring and setting up PulseAudio do not seem to apply to a SuSE environment. They, for example, refer to some configuration files - /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc neither of which exists. I decided against trying anything else until I could get some further advice. Also Amarok has changed from what is described on that page so I am not sure any of that information is still apropos to what I am trying to accomplish in SuSE11.2... This should be taken care of by setup-pulseaudio. BTW in Amarok if I try to configure Phonon under the Configure Playback -> Sound System Configuration Amarok immediately crashes on me.... Sounds like a mismatch in package versions, what phonon backend are you using? Send the output of rpm -qa | grep phonon Thanks again Tejas for your help... I did run setup-pulseaudio --enable though I did not save the output from it. Perhaps I could run it again if that will help? Yes, that sounds like a good idea (can't hurt anyway), and make sure you run it as root (with su / or sudo). Here is the output from the rpm query you requested -
marc@nova:~> rpm -qa | grep phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer-0_10-4.3.1-3.3.x86_64 libphonon4-4.3.1-3.3.x86_64 phonon-4.3.1-3.3.x86_64 phonon-backend-xine-4.3.1-3.3.x86_64 Looks reasonable, hmph. In the Phonon configuration (System Settings -> Multimedia -> Backend tab) which phonon backend do you have preferred? And which version of amarok from which repository do you have installed?
Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 3/21/2010 3:53 PM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 21/03/10 22:34, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
On 3/21/2010 8:23 AM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 21/03/10 01:54, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Thanks Will, Tejas for your help, but I am still not out of the woods yet. I found and installed the projectM-pulseaudio package. I can now bring up the projectM visualization but it is clearly not responding to any sound output from Amarok yet. It seems to generate patterns ok but not in sync to either volume or freq as I would expect. So something is still missing...
Probably amarok is playing directly to alsa and not through pulseaudio, because it hasn't been set up yet.
I followed as best I could, the instructions at http://en.opensuse.org/PulseAudio to try and set up KDE to use the PulseAudio sound layer. All the packages that are mentioned are installed on my system, but only the pavucontrol seems to work. All the other tools mentioned seem to complain about not being able to connect to a server.. I got no clue as to how to start a PulseAudio server either...
How far did you get on following the instructions? Specifically did you get to running setup-pulseaudio --enable ?
The web page at http://en.opensuse.org/Sound-concepts referred me to another page - http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup#ALSAApplications but the instructions there for configuring and setting up PulseAudio do not seem to apply to a SuSE environment. They, for example, refer to some configuration files - /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc neither of which exists. I decided against trying anything else until I could get some further advice. Also Amarok has changed from what is described on that page so I am not sure any of that information is still apropos to what I am trying to accomplish in SuSE11.2...
This should be taken care of by setup-pulseaudio.
BTW in Amarok if I try to configure Phonon under the Configure Playback -> Sound System Configuration Amarok immediately crashes on me....
Sounds like a mismatch in package versions, what phonon backend are you using? Send the output of rpm -qa | grep phonon
Thanks again Tejas for your help... I did run setup-pulseaudio --enable though I did not save the output from it. Perhaps I could run it again if that will help?
Yes, that sounds like a good idea (can't hurt anyway), and make sure you run it as root (with su / or sudo).
Here is the output from the rpm query you requested -
marc@nova:~> rpm -qa | grep phonon phonon-backend-gstreamer-0_10-4.3.1-3.3.x86_64 libphonon4-4.3.1-3.3.x86_64 phonon-4.3.1-3.3.x86_64 phonon-backend-xine-4.3.1-3.3.x86_64
Looks reasonable, hmph. In the Phonon configuration (System Settings -> Multimedia -> Backend tab) which phonon backend do you have preferred? And which version of amarok from which repository do you have installed?
Regards, Tejas
Ok here is the output from setup-pulseaudio -- enable nova:~ # setup-pulseaudio --enable Enabling PulseAudio for ALSA... ALSA_CONFIG_PATH=/etc/alsa-pulse.conf PulseAudio config for ALSA already in use Enabling PulseAudio for libao... default_driver=pulse Default driver is pulse already in /etc/libao.conf Enabling PulseAudio for mplayer... Enabling PulseAudio for SDL... SDL_AUDIODRIVER=pulse SDL already setup to use PulseAudio Enabling PulseAudio autospawn... Starting SuSEconfig, the SuSE Configuration Tool... Running in full featured mode. Reading /etc/sysconfig and updating the system... Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.desktop-file-utils... Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.fonts... Creating fonts.{scale,dir} files ......... /etc/fonts/suse-font-dirs.conf unchanged /etc/fonts/suse-hinting.conf unchanged /etc/fonts/suse-bitmaps.conf unchanged Creating cache files for fontconfig ............................ Creating 32bit cache files for fontconfig ............................ generating java font setup Warning: cannot find a sans serif Japanese font. Japanese in Java might not work. Warning: cannot find a serif Japanese font. Japanese in Java might not work. Warning: cannot find a sans serif simplified Chinese font. Simplified Chinese in Java might not work. Warning: cannot find a serif simplified Chinese font. Simplified Chinese in Java might not work. Warning: cannot find a sans serif traditional Chinese font. Traditional Chinese in Java might not work. Warning: cannot find a serif traditional Chinese font. Traditional Chinese in Java might not work. Warning: cannot find a sans serif Korean font. Korean in Java might not work. Warning: cannot find a serif Korean font. Korean in Java might not work. Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.glib2... Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.groff... Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.gtk2... Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.ispell... Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.permissions... Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.postfix... Setting up postfix local as MDA... Setting SPAM protection to "off"... Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.scpm... Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.words... Finished. As for the Phonon configuration, Tejas I am going to be careful on communication here in case I am misunderstanding you. By "System Settings" I am assuming that you are referring to the tool labeled "Configure Desktop" which brings up a GUI that seems to target KDE stuff. That GUI has an odd behavior in that it initially comes up with a title of "Personal Settings" but if I click on any of the tools or toolbar menus, the title changes to "System Settings" Within that tool there is a subsection titled "Computer Administration" and within that section there is an icon for "Multimedia" I believe you are referring me to this tool? If I click on this "Multimedia" icon the whole "Configure Desktop / Systems Settings" GUI immediately disappears as if it is being closed. So I suspect it crashed.... Nothing further opens up either, so I cannot see anything called a "Backend tab" As for your question about what repository Amarok comes from, geez I wish YaST would let me do a copy/paste! Oh well - Under the Versions tab YaST reports - with a check mark - 2.2.90-57.7-x86_64 from vendor obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE (installed) with a toggle button - 2.3.0-61.1-x86_64 from KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop with priority 99 and vendor obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE I hope you can figure out what all that means.. I don't grok a lot of this completely... Marc..
Ok here is the output from setup-pulseaudio -- enable
nova:~ # setup-pulseaudio --enable Enabling PulseAudio for ALSA... ALSA_CONFIG_PATH=/etc/alsa-pulse.conf PulseAudio config for ALSA already in use Enabling PulseAudio for libao... default_driver=pulse Default driver is pulse already in /etc/libao.conf Enabling PulseAudio for mplayer... Enabling PulseAudio for SDL... SDL_AUDIODRIVER=pulse SDL already setup to use PulseAudio Enabling PulseAudio autospawn... Starting SuSEconfig, the SuSE Configuration Tool... ... Finished. All looks fine. According to this, pulseaudio should be correctly set up. You might need to restart, but the pulseaudio controls should be working. As for the Phonon configuration, Tejas I am going to be careful on communication here in case I am misunderstanding you. By "System Settings" I am assuming that you are referring to the tool labeled "Configure Desktop" which brings up a GUI that seems to target KDE stuff. That GUI has an odd behavior in that it initially comes up with a title of "Personal Settings" but if I click on any of the tools or toolbar menus, the title changes to "System Settings" Within that tool there is a subsection titled "Computer Administration" and within that section there is an icon for "Multimedia" I believe you are referring me to this tool?
If I click on this "Multimedia" icon the whole "Configure Desktop / Systems Settings" GUI immediately disappears as if it is being closed. So I suspect it crashed.... Nothing further opens up either, so I cannot see anything called a "Backend tab" Yes, that's where the Multimedia configuration tab is supposed to be. It keeps changing names because you've got mixed package versions, see below. As for your question about what repository Amarok comes from, geez I wish YaST would let me do a copy/paste! Try the command line program zypper (man zypper will give you all the
On 22/03/10 04:09, Marc Chamberlin wrote: options, e.g. in this case "zypper se -si amarok" would have worked)
Oh well - Under the Versions tab YaST reports -
with a check mark - 2.2.90-57.7-x86_64 from vendor obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE (installed)
with a toggle button - 2.3.0-61.1-x86_64 from KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop with priority 99 and vendor obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE I suspect this is the cause of the problems. You have the KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop (which contains KDE4.4.1) repository installed but haven't upgraded all your packages uniformly (you've mixed versions and so are encountering library incompatibilities). Could you send your repository list? (output of "zypper lr" is easiest)
Anyway once we get the repository list sorted out you need to decide which KDE version you want and uniformly upgrade all your packages to that version (see http://en.opensuse.org/KDE). Specifically decide if you want KDE4.3.x or KDE4.4.x. If you are using the PIM applications a lot (Kontact, KMail, etc.) I recommend you stay with KDE4.3 otherwise it should be fine to upgrade to KDE4.4. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 3/22/2010 3:58 AM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 22/03/10 04:09, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Ok here is the output from setup-pulseaudio -- enable
nova:~ # setup-pulseaudio --enable Enabling PulseAudio for ALSA... ALSA_CONFIG_PATH=/etc/alsa-pulse.conf PulseAudio config for ALSA already in use Enabling PulseAudio for libao... default_driver=pulse Default driver is pulse already in /etc/libao.conf Enabling PulseAudio for mplayer... Enabling PulseAudio for SDL... SDL_AUDIODRIVER=pulse SDL already setup to use PulseAudio Enabling PulseAudio autospawn... Starting SuSEconfig, the SuSE Configuration Tool... ... Finished.
All looks fine. According to this, pulseaudio should be correctly set up. You might need to restart, but the pulseaudio controls should be working.
As for the Phonon configuration, Tejas I am going to be careful on communication here in case I am misunderstanding you. By "System Settings" I am assuming that you are referring to the tool labeled "Configure Desktop" which brings up a GUI that seems to target KDE stuff. That GUI has an odd behavior in that it initially comes up with a title of "Personal Settings" but if I click on any of the tools or toolbar menus, the title changes to "System Settings" Within that tool there is a subsection titled "Computer Administration" and within that section there is an icon for "Multimedia" I believe you are referring me to this tool?
If I click on this "Multimedia" icon the whole "Configure Desktop / Systems Settings" GUI immediately disappears as if it is being closed. So I suspect it crashed.... Nothing further opens up either, so I cannot see anything called a "Backend tab"
Yes, that's where the Multimedia configuration tab is supposed to be. It keeps changing names because you've got mixed package versions, see below.
As for your question about what repository Amarok comes from, geez I wish YaST would let me do a copy/paste!
Try the command line program zypper (man zypper will give you all the options, e.g. in this case "zypper se -si amarok" would have worked)
Oh well - Under the Versions tab YaST reports -
with a check mark - 2.2.90-57.7-x86_64 from vendor obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE (installed)
with a toggle button - 2.3.0-61.1-x86_64 from KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop with priority 99 and vendor obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE
I suspect this is the cause of the problems. You have the KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop (which contains KDE4.4.1) repository installed but haven't upgraded all your packages uniformly (you've mixed versions and so are encountering library incompatibilities). Could you send your repository list? (output of "zypper lr" is easiest)
Anyway once we get the repository list sorted out you need to decide which KDE version you want and uniformly upgrade all your packages to that version (see http://en.opensuse.org/KDE).
Specifically decide if you want KDE4.3.x or KDE4.4.x. If you are using the PIM applications a lot (Kontact, KMail, etc.) I recommend you stay with KDE4.3 otherwise it should be fine to upgrade to KDE4.4.
Regards, Tejas
Thanks again Tejas - Yes I upgraded to KDE4.4.x as its ability to manage my desktop, plasmoids, and activities was much better than in KDE4.3.5 And I would prefer to stay with KDE4.4. I don't use the PIM applications a lot. Below is the output from the zypper command (I was not familiar with it, so thanks for the tips on using) I suspect you are probably right about my using inconsistent repositories, I don't always understand which repository I should get what from and try to follow instructions that I encounter as I install various apps.. Also will admit that some of these repositories, such as the BuildService ones were added as a guess, thinking that I would want updates to packages that those repositories seem to imply were where such components would be found. Others got added automagically for one reason or another... (Would be nice if YaST could better manage all this and suggest what apps could/should be loaded from what repository so as to remain consistent!) Running the command - zypper se -si amarok confirmed that my version of Amarok came from the KDE:KDE4 Factory:Desktop repository. nova:~ # zypper lr # | Alias | Name | Enabled | Refresh ---+-------------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+---------+-------- 1 | 11.2 | 11.2 | Yes | Yes 2 | KDE:Community | KDE:Community | Yes | Yes 3 | KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop | KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop | Yes | Yes 4 | Packman Repository | Packman Repository | Yes | Yes 5 | download.nvidia.com-opensuse | NVIDIA Repository | Yes | Yes 6 | download.opensuse.org-Backports | openSUSE BuildService - KDE:Backports | Yes | Yes 7 | download.opensuse.org-Community | openSUSE BuildService - KDE:KDE4:Community | Yes | Yes 8 | download.opensuse.org-STABLE | openSUSE BuildService - OpenOffice.org | Yes | Yes 9 | download.opensuse.org-Wine | openSUSE BuildService - Wine CVS Builds | Yes | Yes 10 | download.opensuse.org-games | openSUSE BuildService - Games | Yes | Yes 11 | download.opensuse.org-mozilla | openSUSE BuildService - Mozilla | Yes | Yes 12 | ftp.skynet.be-suse | Packman Repository | Yes | Yes 13 | home:theMarix:KDE:Community | home:theMarix:KDE:Community | Yes | Yes 14 | http-download.opensuse.org-922768fa | Updates for openSUSE 11.2-0 | Yes | Yes 15 | openSUSE 11.2-0 | openSUSE 11.2-0 | Yes | No 16 | repo-debug | openSUSE-11.2-Debug | No | Yes 17 | repo-non-oss | openSUSE-11.2-Non-Oss | Yes | Yes 18 | repo-oss | openSUSE-11.2-Oss | Yes | Yes 19 | repo-source | openSUSE-11.2-Source | No | Yes [1]+ Done Marc..
On 22/03/10 17:29, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
On 22/03/10 04:09, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Oh well - Under the Versions tab YaST reports -
with a check mark - 2.2.90-57.7-x86_64 from vendor obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE (installed)
with a toggle button - 2.3.0-61.1-x86_64 from KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop with priority 99 and vendor obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE I suspect this is the cause of the problems. You have the KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop (which contains KDE4.4.1) repository installed but haven't upgraded all your packages uniformly (you've mixed versions and so are encountering library incompatibilities). Could you send your repository list? (output of "zypper lr" is easiest)
Anyway once we get the repository list sorted out you need to decide which KDE version you want and uniformly upgrade all your packages to that version (see http://en.opensuse.org/KDE).
Specifically decide if you want KDE4.3.x or KDE4.4.x. If you are using the PIM applications a lot (Kontact, KMail, etc.) I recommend you stay with KDE4.3 otherwise it should be fine to upgrade to KDE4.4.
Regards, Tejas Thanks again Tejas - Yes I upgraded to KDE4.4.x as its ability to manage my desktop, plasmoids, and activities was much better than in KDE4.3.5 And I would prefer to stay with KDE4.4. I don't use the PIM applications a lot. Below is the output from the zypper command (I was not familiar with it, so thanks for the tips on using) I suspect you are probably right about my using inconsistent repositories, I don't always understand which repository I should get what from and try to follow instructions that I encounter as I install various apps.. Also will admit that some of these repositories, such as the BuildService ones were added as a guess, thinking that I would want updates to
On 3/22/2010 3:58 AM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote: packages that those repositories seem to imply were where such components would be found. Others got added automagically for one reason or another... (Would be nice if YaST could better manage all this and suggest what apps could/should be loaded from what repository so as to remain consistent!)
Running the command - zypper se -si amarok confirmed that my version of Amarok came from the KDE:KDE4 Factory:Desktop repository.
nova:~ # zypper lr # | Alias | Name | Enabled | Refresh ---+-------------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+---------+--------
1 | 11.2 | 11.2 | Yes | Yes 2 | KDE:Community | KDE:Community | Yes | Yes 3 | KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop | KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop | Yes | Yes 4 | Packman Repository | Packman Repository | Yes | Yes 5 | download.nvidia.com-opensuse | NVIDIA Repository | Yes | Yes 6 | download.opensuse.org-Backports | openSUSE BuildService - KDE:Backports | Yes | Yes 7 | download.opensuse.org-Community | openSUSE BuildService - KDE:KDE4:Community | Yes | Yes 8 | download.opensuse.org-STABLE | openSUSE BuildService - OpenOffice.org | Yes | Yes 9 | download.opensuse.org-Wine | openSUSE BuildService - Wine CVS Builds | Yes | Yes 10 | download.opensuse.org-games | openSUSE BuildService - Games | Yes | Yes 11 | download.opensuse.org-mozilla | openSUSE BuildService - Mozilla | Yes | Yes 12 | ftp.skynet.be-suse | Packman Repository | Yes | Yes 13 | home:theMarix:KDE:Community | home:theMarix:KDE:Community | Yes | Yes 14 | http-download.opensuse.org-922768fa | Updates for openSUSE 11.2-0 | Yes | Yes 15 | openSUSE 11.2-0 | openSUSE 11.2-0 | Yes | No 16 | repo-debug | openSUSE-11.2-Debug | No | Yes 17 | repo-non-oss | openSUSE-11.2-Non-Oss | Yes | Yes 18 | repo-oss | openSUSE-11.2-Oss | Yes | Yes 19 | repo-source | openSUSE-11.2-Source | No | Yes [1]+ Done That looks reasonable, running "zypper dup -r KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop" will bring your system to a uniform state. Hopefully that will fix the issues you are having. You should find that quite a few packages get upgraded.
I also recommend you uninstall phonon-backend-gstreamer-0_10, the phonon-backend-xine is much more stable in my experience. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 3/22/2010 2:12 PM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 22/03/10 17:29, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
On 3/22/2010 3:58 AM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 22/03/10 04:09, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Oh well - Under the Versions tab YaST reports -
with a check mark - 2.2.90-57.7-x86_64 from vendor obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE (installed)
with a toggle button - 2.3.0-61.1-x86_64 from KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop with priority 99 and vendor obs://build.opensuse.org/KDE
I suspect this is the cause of the problems. You have the KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop (which contains KDE4.4.1) repository installed but haven't upgraded all your packages uniformly (you've mixed versions and so are encountering library incompatibilities). Could you send your repository list? (output of "zypper lr" is easiest)
Anyway once we get the repository list sorted out you need to decide which KDE version you want and uniformly upgrade all your packages to that version (see http://en.opensuse.org/KDE).
Specifically decide if you want KDE4.3.x or KDE4.4.x. If you are using the PIM applications a lot (Kontact, KMail, etc.) I recommend you stay with KDE4.3 otherwise it should be fine to upgrade to KDE4.4.
Regards, Tejas
Thanks again Tejas - Yes I upgraded to KDE4.4.x as its ability to manage my desktop, plasmoids, and activities was much better than in KDE4.3.5 And I would prefer to stay with KDE4.4. I don't use the PIM applications a lot. Below is the output from the zypper command (I was not familiar with it, so thanks for the tips on using) I suspect you are probably right about my using inconsistent repositories, I don't always understand which repository I should get what from and try to follow instructions that I encounter as I install various apps.. Also will admit that some of these repositories, such as the BuildService ones were added as a guess, thinking that I would want updates to packages that those repositories seem to imply were where such components would be found. Others got added automagically for one reason or another... (Would be nice if YaST could better manage all this and suggest what apps could/should be loaded from what repository so as to remain consistent!)
Running the command - zypper se -si amarok confirmed that my version of Amarok came from the KDE:KDE4 Factory:Desktop repository.
nova:~ # zypper lr # | Alias | Name | Enabled | Refresh ---+-------------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+---------+--------
1 | 11.2 | 11.2 | Yes | Yes 2 | KDE:Community | KDE:Community | Yes | Yes 3 | KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop | KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop | Yes | Yes 4 | Packman Repository | Packman Repository | Yes | Yes 5 | download.nvidia.com-opensuse | NVIDIA Repository | Yes | Yes 6 | download.opensuse.org-Backports | openSUSE BuildService - KDE:Backports | Yes | Yes 7 | download.opensuse.org-Community | openSUSE BuildService - KDE:KDE4:Community | Yes | Yes 8 | download.opensuse.org-STABLE | openSUSE BuildService - OpenOffice.org | Yes | Yes 9 | download.opensuse.org-Wine | openSUSE BuildService - Wine CVS Builds | Yes | Yes 10 | download.opensuse.org-games | openSUSE BuildService - Games | Yes | Yes 11 | download.opensuse.org-mozilla | openSUSE BuildService - Mozilla | Yes | Yes 12 | ftp.skynet.be-suse | Packman Repository | Yes | Yes 13 | home:theMarix:KDE:Community | home:theMarix:KDE:Community | Yes | Yes 14 | http-download.opensuse.org-922768fa | Updates for openSUSE 11.2-0 | Yes | Yes 15 | openSUSE 11.2-0 | openSUSE 11.2-0 | Yes | No 16 | repo-debug | openSUSE-11.2-Debug | No | Yes 17 | repo-non-oss | openSUSE-11.2-Non-Oss | Yes | Yes 18 | repo-oss | openSUSE-11.2-Oss | Yes | Yes 19 | repo-source | openSUSE-11.2-Source | No | Yes [1]+ Done
That looks reasonable, running "zypper dup -r KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop" will bring your system to a uniform state. Hopefully that will fix the issues you are having. You should find that quite a few packages get upgraded.
I also recommend you uninstall phonon-backend-gstreamer-0_10, the phonon-backend-xine is much more stable in my experience.
Regards, Tejas
Wow Tejas I am impressed! That zypper dup -r KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop command seemed to have made a huge number of package changes to my system.. Guess I better learn about zypper more, from what it appears to me it made a whole lot of packages consistent with each other. (Man I wish that was a discoverable command via YaST!) Anywise now the buttons I had reported as crashing their apps are now working. So appears we are making good progress.. But the projectM-pulseaudio visualization is still not being driven by sound output from Amarok yet... You asked me earlier what phonon backend I am using, and I can now report that it is Xine. Marc... -- Marc Chamberlin www.marcchamberlin.com A man said unto the universe - "Sir I Exist!" "However" replied the universe "I do not see where that creates in me a sense of an obligation" S Crane.
Wow Tejas I am impressed! That zypper dup -r KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop command seemed to have made a huge number of package changes to my system.. Guess I better learn about zypper more, from what it appears to me it made a whole lot of packages consistent with each other. (Man I wish that was a discoverable command via YaST!) Anywise now the buttons I had reported as crashing their apps are now working. So appears we are making good progress.. But the projectM-pulseaudio visualization is still not being driven by sound output from Amarok yet...
You asked me earlier what phonon backend I am using, and I can now report that it is Xine.
Marc... Hmmph ... I'm afraid I'm not a big pulseaudio user so you are reaching
On 23/03/10 03:20, Marc Chamberlin wrote: the limits of my knowledge ... If it still isn't working, maybe phonon is somehow bypassing pulseaudio and outputting directly to alsa ... In the Multimedia configuration dialog, how many/what output devices do you see? Which one is preferred? Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 3/24/2010 11:44 AM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 23/03/10 03:20, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Wow Tejas I am impressed! That zypper dup -r KDE:KDE4:Factory:Desktop command seemed to have made a huge number of package changes to my system.. Guess I better learn about zypper more, from what it appears to me it made a whole lot of packages consistent with each other. (Man I wish that was a discoverable command via YaST!) Anywise now the buttons I had reported as crashing their apps are now working. So appears we are making good progress.. But the projectM-pulseaudio visualization is still not being driven by sound output from Amarok yet...
You asked me earlier what phonon backend I am using, and I can now report that it is Xine.
Marc...
Hmmph ... I'm afraid I'm not a big pulseaudio user so you are reaching the limits of my knowledge ...
If it still isn't working, maybe phonon is somehow bypassing pulseaudio and outputting directly to alsa ... In the Multimedia configuration dialog, how many/what output devices do you see? Which one is preferred?
Regards, Tejas
Thanks again Tejas.. Yeah trouble with the open source world is that it is sometimes real difficult to find/connect to the genius behind the curtains.. But so far you have been a wonderful guru! Anywise in the Default Output Device Preference dialog I have 6 devices listed. This list is the same for all the Audio Output catagories. (again I wish these tools would let one do a copy/paste or export the info to a file.. but will type it all in the order in which they are shown...) SB Audigy 4 Pro [SB0380] (rev4, serial:0x20071102) (ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback) SB Audigy 4 Pro [SB0380] ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback (Side speakers) Burr-Brown from TI USB Audio CODEC (USB Audio) Jack Audio Connection Kit Esound (ESD) aRts I recognize the SB Audigy 4 Pro entry, that is my Creative Labs sound card. I suspect the Burr-Brown entry might be for my Harmon Kardon media center/amplifier which is hooked up to the computer via a USB cable.. The rest I have no idea about... Marc.. -- Marc Chamberlin www.marcchamberlin.com A man said unto the universe - "Sir I Exist!" "However" replied the universe "I do not see where that creates in me a sense of an obligation" S Crane.
Thanks again Tejas.. Yeah trouble with the open source world is that it is sometimes real difficult to find/connect to the genius behind the curtains.. But so far you have been a wonderful guru!
Anywise in the Default Output Device Preference dialog I have 6 devices listed. This list is the same for all the Audio Output catagories. (again I wish these tools would let one do a copy/paste or export the info to a file.. but will type it all in the order in which they are shown...)
SB Audigy 4 Pro [SB0380] (rev4, serial:0x20071102) (ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback) SB Audigy 4 Pro [SB0380] ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback (Side speakers) Burr-Brown from TI USB Audio CODEC (USB Audio) Jack Audio Connection Kit Esound (ESD) aRts
I recognize the SB Audigy 4 Pro entry, that is my Creative Labs sound card. I suspect the Burr-Brown entry might be for my Harmon Kardon media center/amplifier which is hooked up to the computer via a USB cable.. The rest I have no idea about...
Marc.. Well, I was just browsing the oS-kde mailing list and I found some info
On 24/03/10 19:42, Marc Chamberlin wrote: that the default suse KDE4.4 is built "without pulseaudio support", though what exactly that means I don't know ... So I'm afraid the solution now looks like you may need to use some packages from http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/perosb:/pulseaudio/openSUSE_... where Per Osbäck has rebuilt phonon "with pulseaudio support". I just hope I'm not leading you into dependency and repository hell :( If you've still got questions I suggest starting a new thread like "KDE4.4 and pulseaudio", maybe on the -kde list, so that others can join in, this thread title is a little misleading now and may be scaring others off :) At least we managed to get projectM installed. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 25 March 2010 10:33:03 Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
Well, I was just browsing the oS-kde mailing list and I found some info that the default suse KDE4.4 is built "without pulseaudio support", though what exactly that means I don't know ...
So I'm afraid the solution now looks like you may need to use some packages from
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/perosb:/pulseaudio/openSUSE _11.2_KDE4_Factory/
where Per Osbäck has rebuilt phonon "with pulseaudio support".
FYI, I just accepted a submitrequest from Per to merge this into KKFD :) Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 03/18/2010 02:32 AM, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Anyone got any hints on how to get Amarok to show the projectM visualizations under SuSE11.2, KDE4.4.1 Amarok 2.2.90? I found and installed the projectM package, libvisual is also installed.. but not sure how to proceed and get Amarok to set up its menus so the visualizations can be displayed...
Marc..
I don't believe Amarok 2 yet supports visualizations. -- Michael S. Dunsavage -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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