If it's out there, it's well hidden as I can access ftp sites, but no sign of KDE 3.1.4. Regards Sid. Gerrit Jan Eldering wrote:

On Wednesday 24 September 2003 16:49, Cincai Patron wrote:

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Just wonder why suddenly, in this several hour, nobody "scream" for the binaries :D. Apparently all are busy downloading...

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Well, I am trying to. To many users on the SuSE ftp server :(

On Wednesday 24 September 2003 21:46, Richard Bos wrote:

It's very much out and processed as well :) http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/freshrpms.html

Yes, but note that there is no qt3-3.2.1 RPM for SuSE 8.2. Oddly there is for the older SuSE's. Got all the side qt3 rpms, but not the most-needed one. And it's required by kdelibs3-3.1.4 as mentioned in another thread. It's there, but is it working? Joe -- Now Playing: Faster Pussycat - Where There's A Whip There's A Way [From Wake Me When It's Over (1989)] (2:26/6:45) Powered by XMMS

Op woensdag 24 september 2003 22:15, schreef Stefan Parvu:

Hi Joe,

Yes you are right the qt library from 'base' is still 3.1.2 instead of 3.2.1 ! Anyone noticed SuSE about this ?

stefan

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And it's required by kdelibs3-3.1.4 as mentioned in another thread.

It's there, but is it working?

These qt3 versions are availabe (8.2): qt3;3.1.1-71;i586;base qt3;3.1.2-46;i586;suse-people qt3;3.1.2-54;i586;kde3-stable qt3;3.1.2-57;i586;kde qt3;3.2.0b1-6;i586;suse-people So there is a "3.2" around... -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless

On Wednesday 24 September 2003 21:52 pm, BandiPat wrote:

On Wednesday 24 September 2003 04:15 pm, Stefan Parvu wrote:

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Hi Joe,

Yes you are right the qt library from 'base' is still 3.1.2 instead of 3.2.1 ! Anyone noticed SuSE about this ?

stefan

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And it's required by kdelibs3-3.1.4 as mentioned in another thread.

It's there, but is it working?

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It may just be that the packager had qt 3.2 on his system when he made these and it doesn't really need it. Has anyone tried installing with --nodeps?

Yes, and KDM repeatedly crashes - didn't get any further before rolling back Dylan -- Sweet moderation Heart of this nation Desert us not We are between the wars - Billy Bragg

-----Original Message----- From: Ben Rosenberg To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:24:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLE] kde 3.1.4

* Joe Sullivan (firechild@telia.com) [030924 13:04]:

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On Wednesday 24 September 2003 21:46, Richard Bos wrote:

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It's very much out and processed as well :) http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/freshrpms.html

Yes, but note that there is no qt3-3.2.1 RPM for SuSE 8.2. Oddly there is for the older SuSE's. Got all the side qt3 rpms, but not the most-needed one.

And it's required by kdelibs3-3.1.4 as mentioned in another thread.

It's there, but is it working?

Oh Dear Lord. This is why I use apt. You can get everything you need either by using apt or just ftp to this site and this directory..

ftp.gwdg.de

/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.2-i386/RPMS.kde

-- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org You miss the point Ben. kdelibs requires qt3-3.2.1 which is not available for 8.2. If you can't load qt3-3.2.1 you can't load kdelibs-3.1.4 and you can't load kdebase-3.1.4, etc. etc etc. dependency hell. And NO --nodeps is NOT an option with me.

Ken

Op donderdag 25 september 2003 02:53, schreef Ben Rosenberg:

* Ken Schneider (kschneider@rtsx.com) [030924 17:42]:

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You miss the point Ben. kdelibs requires qt3-3.2.1 which is not available for 8.2. If you can't load qt3-3.2.1 you can't load kdelibs-3.1.4 and you can't load kdebase-3.1.4, etc. etc etc. dependency hell. And NO --nodeps is NOT an option with me.

Well, then I think someone that Adrian listens to should have a chat with him about this packaging shit. Because if all this is that broken..something is wrong.

This night some gnome :) came along and made qt-3.2 available for 8.2.

From now on only good words, okay :)

-- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless

Op donderdag 25 september 2003 08:21, schreef Richard Bos:

This night some gnome :) came along and made qt-3.2 available for 8.2.

It seems I was still dreaming when I checked :( Sorry for the confusing. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless

* Ken Schneider (kschneider@rtsx.com) [030924 17:42]:

You miss the point Ben. kdelibs requires qt3-3.2.1 which is not available for 8.2. If you can't load qt3-3.2.1 you can't load kdelibs-3.1.4 and you can't load kdebase-3.1.4, etc. etc etc. dependency hell. And NO --nodeps is NOT an option with me.

Well, I just happen to do a --nodeps before my other reply to you email. And KDE is fucked. Apt now wants to remove every..single..kde..package on the God Damn machine. Wow! I wonder if KDE 3.1.4 is packaged this poorly in 9.0. *sigh* Doesn't matter though ..I'll just the ulb Gnome2 I have on the machine until the package situation is sorted. But this really is silly to have this much of a screwup with the deps. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

* Mads Martin Joergensen (mmj@panther.mmj.dk) [030925 01:29]:

* Ben Rosenberg [Sep 25. 2003 03:11]:

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Wow! I wonder if KDE 3.1.4 is packaged this poorly in 9.0. *sigh*

What do you think Ben? Our default desktop in a fresh system, not an upgrade of newer versions on an older system.

You can be pretty sure it's good :)

Well, if the hacking I did to KDE lastnight remotely works when I get into the office...I'll be happy. But I still think that the 8.2 updates for 3.1.4 that were sitting on the ftp server weren't completely ..it was dependency hell. We'll see. About 9.0? Well, I would think everything should work. But the KDE 3.1.4 that I was messing with yesterday is for 8.2 and that's what we're all using right now so I guess that's what matters. :/ -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

* Mads Martin Joergensen (mmj@panther.mmj.dk) [030925 11:26]:

* Ben Rosenberg [Sep 25. 2003 17:25]:

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Wow! I wonder if KDE 3.1.4 is packaged this poorly in 9.0. *sigh*

What do you think Ben? Our default desktop in a fresh system, not an upgrade of newer versions on an older system.

You can be pretty sure it's good :)

Well, if the hacking I did to KDE lastnight remotely works when I get into the office...I'll be happy. But I still think that the 8.2 updates for 3.1.4 that were sitting on the ftp server weren't completely ..it was dependency hell. We'll see.

About 9.0? Well, I would think everything should work. But the KDE 3.1.4 that I was messing with yesterday is for 8.2 and that's what we're all using right now so I guess that's what matters. :/

Yes, of course it sucks. I was only referring to your 9.0 comments :)

I know. I was just making a comment that I hoped the packaging in 9.0 for KDE didn't blow as much as the pkg updates in 8.2 which shouldn't change ..right? It should have set parameters for builds..right? So since 8.2 is *so* *old* ..building pkgs for it should be known like the back of one's hand. But instead ..with every . release the pkgs get rearranged and binaries get moved from one packge to another and some are even left out. With the posting of the new QT 3.2.1 pkg..everything appears to be back to working. I'm sure there was good reason for compiling 3.1.4 against Qt 3.2.x instead of Qt 3.1.x. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

On Thursday 25 September 2003 12:46, Charles Philip Chan wrote:

Sorry to hear that, Ben. I was a little bit po'ed that SuSE made 3.1.4 available right after I completed it. Now I am glad that I did.

Ben's just overreacting. It's not "fucked" as he puts it. Adrian or whoever put the 3.1.4 RPMs up simply forgot to include the qt3-3.2.1 for SuSE 8.2. I'm sure it'll be remedied soon. That this package was included with earlier SuSE's indicates this was just an oversight. Since qt3 is kinda important for KDE, it can give the appearance of being "fucked", but only to people who were silly enough to use --nodeps without checking first to see if there's a dependancy problem. Once a qt3-3.2.1 RPM is finally put up, installing it will solve the "fucked" issue. Those who use --nodeps have noone to blame but themselves. Joe -- Now Playing: Poison - I Hate Every Bone In Your Body But Mine [From Power To The People (2001)] (1:04/3:10) Powered by XMMS and SuSE Linux 8.2 Pro

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:13:49 +0200 Anders Johansson wrote:

I think there are more oversights here, such as providing security updates through the supplementary directory,

Agreed.

or compiling a security update against a newer base lib forcing a major upgrade of the whole system, instead of backporting relevant fixes as is normal practice

Again I agree. Also, you don't need QT 3.2.x to compile KDE 3.1.4- the 3.1.x series works just fine. Charles -- "Even more amazing was the realization that God has Internet access. I wonder if He has a full newsfeed?" (By Matt Welsh)

* Stefan Parvu (sp@sunguru.com) [030925 08:21]:

Hi all,

Please notice the new qt library it is in place, under base !

Thanks for the heads up! :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

I found a qt3-3.2.1 rpm in ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/adrian/beta1 Thank you Adrian

On Thursday 25 September 2003 12:36, landy wrote:

On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 22:16, Jose Thadeu Cavalcante wrote:

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I found a qt3-3.2.1 rpm in ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/adrian/beta1

so is this a seek and find, wrong place for it to be

I can't say I'd recommend using it. That package is 3.2.1-1 while all the other qt3 packages are 3.2.1-26 . It was built August 27. It's been rebuilt up to a 26th version for a reason. Used with the 26th build versions of other qt3 packages, it might break. (Not saying it will, just there's a chance.) List of changes that were made in builds since that one: * Wed Sep 17 14:00:00 2003 feedback@suse.de - a bit more silence .. QPixmap before QApplication warning is away - new asian font mappings from mfabian * Mon Sep 15 14:00:00 2003 feedback@suse.de - new font fixes from Lars, the default size problem should be away - fix build for non-Xft2 distibutions * Thu Sep 11 14:00:00 2003 feedback@suse.de - silence on lib64 systems with 32bit plugins installed (#30559) - ensure to have a [3.2] section in old qtrc files * Mon Sep 8 14:00:00 2003 feedback@suse.de - apply fix from TT to fix konsole + setRawName * Thu Sep 4 14:00:00 2003 feedback@suse.de - add always lib and lib64 kde plugin path to qtrc * Wed Sep 3 14:00:00 2003 feedback@suse.de - apply fix from TT: "don't generate bogus mouse move events." - qt3-devel requires XFree86-Mesa-devel * Tue Sep 2 14:00:00 2003 feedback@suse.de - add slovak translation from Stanislav Visnovsky - add czech translation from Klara Cihlarova * Tue Sep 2 14:00:00 2003 feedback@suse.de - add asian mappings from 8.2 to qtrc again * Mon Sep 1 14:00:00 2003 feedback@suse.de - Don't do readlink checks for set*id programs (will break in TLS startup sequence of glibc), just fall back to old malloc. #29530 * Mon Sep 1 14:00:00 2003 feedback@suse.de - apply qlineedit fix from TT * Mon Sep 1 14:00:00 2003 feedback@suse.de - qtconfig menu entry becomes unimportant * Sun Aug 31 14:00:00 2003 feedback@suse.de - generate .la file again * Fri Aug 29 14:00:00 2003 feedback@suse.de - use newer font_fixes patch from Lars - enforce usage of Xft2 even on non-Xrender displays - revert qclipboard changes to 3.1.2 code Looks like mostly font fixes, but still... Joe -- Now Playing: Alice Cooper - The Song That Didn't Rhyme [From The Eyes Of Alice Cooper (2003)] (1:12/3:17) Powered by XMMS and SuSE Linux 8.2 Pro

Op donderdag 25 september 2003 07:03, schreef Bryan Tyson:

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Oh Dear Lord. This is why I use apt.

There is a nice article on apt in the current Linux Magazine. It sounds really great. I would like to know why most distros do not seem to use apt by default.

Because apt for rpm became only available after most of the distro's did developed their own package manager? Not enough requests from the user base? Too flexible, powerfull, not restrictive enough? -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless

Hi landy! you don't need apt4rpm, you only need apt. -- michael On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, landy wrote:

if only i could get apt to install

pepino:/home/illustre # rpm -i apt4rpm-0.65.2-0.noarch.rpm error: failed dependencies: perl-XML-LibXML is needed by apt4rpm-0.65.2-0

Hi landy! ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.2-i386/RPMS.extra/apt-0.5.5cnc6-rb3.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.2-i386/RPMS.extra/lua-5.0-rb3.i386.rpm you need lua too. -- me On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, landy wrote:

On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 17:15, Michael Galloway wrote:

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Hi landy!

you don't need apt4rpm, you only need apt.

link?

On Thursday 25 September 2003 10:38, Tom Allison wrote:

Michael Galloway wrote:

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Hi landy!

ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.2-i386/RPMS.extra/apt-0.5.5cnc 6-rb3.i386.rpm ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.2-i386/RPMS.extra/lua-5.0-rb3 .i386.rpm

you need lua too.

My question is if this is so great, why the heck doesn't SuSE put this into their current package system? I hear YUM is supposed to be pretty good too.

I have realized that there are some packages that SuSE definitely does not cover well even though they may exist. An example would be xine/mplayer. I was rather shocked to find out that my old Debian installation had better codec support than my newer SuSE installation.

More than likely licensing issues and their interpretation rather than anyone at SuSE being slow. Quite a bit of the opensource multimedia development is targetable by lawyers, and I suspect that's your answer. Remember you don't have to use rpms.

Debian is a distribution that will provide very little if it isn't "free" in some way or another.

Similarly I was surprised to find out about the number of non-free options SuSE provides where they omit viable free options. But that's a little more to be expected.

I'm rather new to all this RPM stuff and found apt-get and .deb packages to be mind-numbingly easy in comparison. But for now I'm assuming that my use of only the SuSE sights is putting me into a very limited RPM experience.

That seems a bit harsh to me. Very limited by comparison with what other RPM experience? Obviously they can't provide every rpm in the world, but it strikes me SuSE customers are still getting unbelievable bang for bucks in terms of the software that comes on the CDs and in what's made available for download. -- Fergus Wilde Chetham's Library Long Millgate Manchester M3 1SB Tel: +44 161 834 7961 Fax: +44 161 839 5797 http://www.chethams.org.uk

Op donderdag 25 september 2003 12:12, schreef Tom Allison:

apt would be nice to have available via SuSE if it is possible but I haven't looked at any licensing restrictions.

apt is GPL. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless