[opensuse] Syncing two imap accounts
Hi, I use imapsync to sync my dovecot imap on my laptop to my desktop. From laptop --> desktop, never in reverse direction. Actually, for the reverse I use plain rsync to copy across all folders. Brute force. When updating it now, I notice this paragraph: «imapsync is not adequate for maintaining two active imap accounts in synchronization where the user plays independently on both sides. Use offlineimap (written by John Goerzen) or mbsync (written by Michael R. Elkins) for 2 ways synchronizations.» Has anybody done that, any thoughts to share? The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019-01-16 9:21 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
I do something like this, but two portable Androids and the desktop. I have no problems with it. Any change to any one of the couple of dozen IMAP accounts I use is available to the other devices. The downside is that on the Android devices the mail app I use -- K@, a development from K9 -- needs to be told to rescan manually. Setting the rescan period to 'automatic' for less than some longer period, an hour say, places too much demand on the batter for wifi/DATA use. This works for me because I am using IMAP as IMAP. You are not. You are using it is a bastardized form of POP. Ultimately, you could read IMAP mail from a 'memory-less' device , or one that has simply transmission and display buffers (rather like a camera without a storage card). You are asking the 'get out of that without changing anything' question. Ask this question on an IMAP forum and they will point out that you are really doing POP. One device is 'stealing' all the mail. Now to be fair: I do have some POP accounts out there, legacy, on the wild internet, from days of your and ISPs that are meanies. The way I accommodate this is to have my PC run fetchmail to suck them into my Dovecot server. ONLY those accounts! The dovecot server is accessible as an IMAP server on my LAN for my PC and wifi for my Android devices. Off site there is a high port routed though my NAT gateway. TLS and IMAP-S used of course. The important point is that *all* the devices only ever use real IMAP. Real IMAP accounts will handle reads and updates from more than one source. As I say, by using imapsync you are really using POP over an IMAP port. You could do the same with Fetchmail or one of its equivalents like 'getmail'. When run in pure IMAP mode, readers like K9/K@, Thunderbird and so on, SHOULD just ask for batches of headers and message count. Unlike POP, the IMAP protocol permits this 'view/list headers only' mode, and when you do eventually view the body there is no implicit delete of the message as there is with POP. Now to be fair, for performance reasons, these readers cache results. I can read a few messages on my IMAP account with Thunderbird, then pull the Ethernet plug. Or restart my machine. T'Bird remembers the headers and may have cached any message I've visited (provided I haven't set the flush cash on close flag). But this is about caching, not about downloading. IMAP does not download&delete like POP does. IMAP does not delete unless and until you tell your mail reader to do so. In Thunderbird you can tag for delete and you can also remove the tag before you sync/"Compact". I'm short, what I'm saying is this: Stop using imapsync, stop using your IMAP accounts as if they were POP accounts. Use them as IMAP accounts. make you ISP do the work. That's what the IMAP protocol is for. Yes, I have a phone and a tablet (and about to get another table, so I'll have 4 devices accessing my mail accounts) as well s my PC rather than laptops, but in terms of what goes over the wire, my ISP can't see the difference. Ultimately, I leave too much there, one of my IMAP accounts has nearly 100MB of stuff. However that is full of messages from people who insist on sending HTML mail composed with Microsoft and which has embedded images. This account has a modest 2MB for a couple of years of back-messages. Once I delete the messages with embedded images :-) -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 17.03, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-16 9:21 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
I do something like this, but two portable Androids and the desktop. I have no problems with it. Any change to any one of the couple of dozen IMAP accounts I use is available to the other devices.
The downside is that on the Android devices the mail app I use -- K@, a development from K9 -- needs to be told to rescan manually. Setting the rescan period to 'automatic' for less than some longer period, an hour say, places too much demand on the batter for wifi/DATA use.
You misunderstand. I want to sync three imap *servers*. Or at least, two. The laptop is used on places where there is no internet or very limited, where I can not connect to the imap server back at home. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas))
On 01/16/2019 11:57 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I want to sync three imap *servers*. Or at least, two.
The laptop is used on places where there is no internet or very limited, where I can not connect to the imap server back at home.
???? You're running Dovecot on the laptop? I don't understand that. If you want to be able to read messages while offline, then just configure your email app to download the messages when downloading, instead of headers only. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 18.01, James Knott wrote:
On 01/16/2019 11:57 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I want to sync three imap *servers*. Or at least, two.
The laptop is used on places where there is no internet or very limited, where I can not connect to the imap server back at home.
????
You're running Dovecot on the laptop? I don't understand that. If you want to be able to read messages while offline, then just configure your email app to download the messages when downloading, instead of headers only.
No way. You are saying that I would store my local mail folders, several gigabytes of mail, in local folders in Thunderbird at one computer. The problem then would become how to sync that Thunderbird local storage with two other computers. Frankly, it is more reliable and versatile to instead store my local mail folders under my local dovecot server, where I can access it with any mail client in any locally connected computer. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas))
On 01/16/2019 12:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The problem then would become how to sync that Thunderbird local storage with two other computers.
IMAP does that automagically. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 18.42, James Knott wrote:
On 01/16/2019 12:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The problem then would become how to sync that Thunderbird local storage with two other computers.
IMAP does that automagically.
There is no longer imap, you told me to download the email to my client app... you are saying to:
You're running Dovecot on the laptop? I don't understand that. If you want to be able to read messages while offline, then just configure your email app to download the messages when downloading, instead of headers only.
So, store the hundreds of gigabytes from the dovecot server into thunderbird, waiting some hours... and several crashes of Thunderbird. Or, store local mail in thunderbird, not a local dovecot. Then how to sync thunderbird local store, which is no longer on imap, to another thunderbird on another computer, and keep them in sync over the years, downloading email on any of the two computers? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas))
On 2019-01-16 1:22 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 18.42, James Knott wrote:
On 01/16/2019 12:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The problem then would become how to sync that Thunderbird local storage with two other computers.
IMAP does that automagically.
There is no longer imap, you told me to download the email to my client app... you are saying to:
You're running Dovecot on the laptop? I don't understand that. If you want to be able to read messages while offline, then just configure your email app to download the messages when downloading, instead of headers only.
So, store the hundreds of gigabytes from the dovecot server into thunderbird, waiting some hours... and several crashes of Thunderbird.
No that's not what he's saying. Its not what I'm saying.
Or, store local mail in thunderbird, not a local dovecot. Then how to sync thunderbird local store, which is no longer on imap, to another thunderbird on another computer, and keep them in sync over the years, downloading email on any of the two computers?
You don't. There is only one proper copy and that's on the IMAP server. You are never downloading to T'Bird in the POP sense. The FolderProperties->Synchronization option is an extended form of caching and when you go back on-line to the IMAP server it re-syncs. You re NOT keeping on mobile device in sync with another mobile device, you are keeping the both in sync with the IMAP server. And that is because you are using the sync properties of the way IMAP works and not downloading to a local data store as you would with POP. You mind is stuck in the idea of this being a download; it isn't. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 19.37, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-16 1:22 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 18.42, James Knott wrote:
On 01/16/2019 12:30 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The problem then would become how to sync that Thunderbird local storage with two other computers.
IMAP does that automagically.
There is no longer imap, you told me to download the email to my client app... you are saying to:
You're running Dovecot on the laptop? I don't understand that. If you want to be able to read messages while offline, then just configure your email app to download the messages when downloading, instead of headers only.
So, store the hundreds of gigabytes from the dovecot server into thunderbird, waiting some hours... and several crashes of Thunderbird.
No that's not what he's saying. Its not what I'm saying.
Or, store local mail in thunderbird, not a local dovecot. Then how to sync thunderbird local store, which is no longer on imap, to another thunderbird on another computer, and keep them in sync over the years, downloading email on any of the two computers?
You don't. There is only one proper copy and that's on the IMAP server. You are never downloading to T'Bird in the POP sense. The FolderProperties->Synchronization option is an extended form of caching and when you go back on-line to the IMAP server it re-syncs. You re NOT keeping on mobile device in sync with another mobile device, you are keeping the both in sync with the IMAP server. And that is because you are using the sync properties of the way IMAP works and not downloading to a local data store as you would with POP.
You mind is stuck in the idea of this being a download; it isn't.
I repeat: I do not want to use the Thunderbird facility to sync email for offline use. I tried that in the past, it works terribly with the amount of email I have. Instead, I use dovecot as local storage which works way more reliably and better. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas))
On 01/16/2019 01:22 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
IMAP does that automagically. There is no longer imap, you told me to download the email to my client app... you are saying to:
There is an option in my email client to download the messages to the computer. The alternative is to only download the headers and then read the messages off the server. I have it configured to download the messages. However, this does not remove them from the server. It only keeps a copy on the computer, so that the messages are still readable when disconnected. I have 2 computers, a tablet and smartphone, all configured to run IMAP. It works well and the messages are all synced on all devices and email clients. IMAP just works!
So, store the hundreds of gigabytes from the dovecot server into thunderbird, waiting some hours... and several crashes of Thunderbird.
If you're talking storage, what's the difference between using Dovecot or Thunderbird? Also, Thunderbird will sync whenever it can reach the server. This means you'll only have download "gigabytes" the first time you connect the client to the server. After that, it's just updates as new messages are received and old ones deleted.
Or, store local mail in thunderbird, not a local dovecot. Then how to sync thunderbird local store, which is no longer on imap, to another thunderbird on another computer, and keep them in sync over the years, downloading email on any of the two computers?
I don't know why you have this obsession with running Dovecot. When Thunderbird is configured for IMAP, messages will be left on the server, until you delete them. Then the deleted messages will be deleted on all devices. This is just the way IMAP works. It keeps everything in sync. I'm getting the impression you don't really understand how IMAP works. I have a couple of friends who insist on running POP. They have similar problems with syncing different devices. BTW, I used to run my own IMAP server because my ISP didn't support IMAP at that time. Since they started supporting it, I stopped running my own server, as there is no longer any need to. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 19.42, James Knott wrote:
On 01/16/2019 01:22 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
IMAP does that automagically. There is no longer imap, you told me to download the email to my client app... you are saying to:
There is an option in my email client to download the messages to the computer. The alternative is to only download the headers and then read the messages off the server. I have it configured to download the messages. However, this does not remove them from the server. It only keeps a copy on the computer, so that the messages are still readable when disconnected. I have 2 computers, a tablet and smartphone, all configured to run IMAP. It works well and the messages are all synced on all devices and email clients. IMAP just works!
I know all that very well. I have done that. I simply use imap while at home. When I'm not, you keep forgetting that I have limited connectivity and limited bandwidth. And metered. Telling the mail clients to keep a local copy for offline use, works badly on Thunderbird. We are talking of more than 15 Gigabytes of email to sync. Th. takes hours to do that. It hangs. And randomly skips some mails. So, not good. And Alpine never caches imap to disk, so I have to copy them some other way. An imap server at the laptop acts like a local cache that can be read from *any* client, alpine, thunderbird, mutt, seamonkey, whatever. With just a single store, with no internet usage.
So, store the hundreds of gigabytes from the dovecot server into thunderbird, waiting some hours... and several crashes of Thunderbird.
If you're talking storage, what's the difference between using Dovecot or Thunderbird? Also, Thunderbird will sync whenever it can reach the server. This means you'll only have download "gigabytes" the first time you connect the client to the server. After that, it's just updates as new messages are received and old ones deleted.
Gigabytes every time, I have tried it. Th. is very bad at this. Dovecot is very efficient and reliable and fast.
Or, store local mail in thunderbird, not a local dovecot. Then how to sync thunderbird local store, which is no longer on imap, to another thunderbird on another computer, and keep them in sync over the years, downloading email on any of the two computers?
I don't know why you have this obsession with running Dovecot.
Because it works! I'm already syncing dovecot servers! I'm just wondering about better tools to sync dovecot servers or accounts. I have tried everything you people are saying, I'm no novice.
When Thunderbird is configured for IMAP, messages will be left on the server, until you delete them. Then the deleted messages will be deleted on all devices. This is just the way IMAP works. It keeps everything in sync. I'm getting the impression you don't really understand how IMAP works. I have a couple of friends who insist on running POP. They have similar problems with syncing different devices.
BTW, I used to run my own IMAP server because my ISP didn't support IMAP at that time. Since they started supporting it, I stopped running my own server, as there is no longer any need to.
I prefer to keep my local copy. Besides, there is a limit of a 100 MB at my ISP mail server. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019-01-16 12:30 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 18.01, James Knott wrote:
On 01/16/2019 11:57 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I want to sync three imap *servers*. Or at least, two.
The laptop is used on places where there is no internet or very limited, where I can not connect to the imap server back at home.
????
You're running Dovecot on the laptop? I don't understand that. If you want to be able to read messages while offline, then just configure your email app to download the messages when downloading, instead of headers only.
No way.
You are saying that I would store my local mail folders, several gigabytes of mail, in local folders in Thunderbird at one computer.
No I am not.
The problem then would become how to sync that Thunderbird local storage with two other computers.
If you were using IMAP properly you wouldn't have this problem. If you were using IMAP alone Thunderbird would re-sync whenever you had connectivity, regardless. You are thinking of 'download' as an analogue to POP/fetchmail. When T'Bird 'downloads' messages it is in effect caching the IMAP over above what you've actually viewed but not deleting the cache when you log out. So when you reconnect, it resynchronises. You can do this on a folder by folder not just account by account. So you can download-for-sync under the FolderProperties->Synchronization tab for just the inbox and ignore everything else. The same happens with K9/K@. Yes it is a data hit, but I have a big microSD card in my tablet & phone for that; a 32G that cost me about C$15. It also have movies and a lot of stuff from Gutenberg and and the transcription of my favourite CDs. By now, 64G chips are getting cheap. Space is not the issue and hasn't been for a long while. Use IMAP and IMAP alone. It was designed to cope with situation such as you are describing, once you get rid of that superfluous Dovecot server that is screwing up the resynchronisation.
Frankly, it is more reliable and versatile to instead store my local mail folders under my local dovecot server, where I can access it with any mail client in any locally connected computer.
IFF AND ONLY IFF that server was always powered up and always available to all your devices. If you ran that on your PC and used fetchmail/getmail to bring in ALL your accounts and you ONLY connected to that server for your mail AND your PC was always up AND you had both LAN AND wifi permanently up for local access by your mobile devices AND you had a (secured) internet facing port on the Dovecot server for you non-local mobile devices, than yes, your assertion would bet true. I know that is the case because I use that for my non-IMAP accounts. My PC uses fetchmail to read my (very few) POP only accounts (legacy and couple of providers who demand additional $$ for IMAP or simply won't activate the IMAP on their server). Get rid of the dovecot on your portable devices, they are what is screwing up your system. Make your portable devices use pure IMAP for all the accounts. If you insist on using a local Dovecot server for this fatuous 'reliability' -- I find the ISPs & the internet in general more reliable than my own equipment! -- then have one and one only where is is permanently available. You do not need a local store such as dovecot on your portable devices is they are running proper IMAP reader such as T'Bird. You can tell T'Bird to select a folder for off-line use and it will keep that in sync to the best of its ability when it can establish a connection. Having a dovecot server on any of your portable devices is an unnecessary complication and is why you are having the woes and complications you describe. I know the solution I describe works because I'm running it. I'm not talking a hypothetical, I'm talking what works. Not only does it work, but I CANNOT run Dovecot on my Android phone and this still works! -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 19.30, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-16 12:30 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 18.01, James Knott wrote:
On 01/16/2019 11:57 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I want to sync three imap *servers*. Or at least, two.
The laptop is used on places where there is no internet or very limited, where I can not connect to the imap server back at home.
????
You're running Dovecot on the laptop? I don't understand that. If you want to be able to read messages while offline, then just configure your email app to download the messages when downloading, instead of headers only.
No way.
You are saying that I would store my local mail folders, several gigabytes of mail, in local folders in Thunderbird at one computer.
No I am not.
The problem then would become how to sync that Thunderbird local storage with two other computers.
If you were using IMAP properly you wouldn't have this problem. If you were using IMAP alone Thunderbird would re-sync whenever you had connectivity, regardless.
You are thinking of 'download' as an analogue to POP/fetchmail. When T'Bird 'downloads' messages it is in effect caching the IMAP over above what you've actually viewed but not deleting the cache when you log out. So when you reconnect, it resynchronises.
You can do this on a folder by folder not just account by account. So you can download-for-sync under the FolderProperties->Synchronization tab for just the inbox and ignore everything else.
The same happens with K9/K@. Yes it is a data hit, but I have a big microSD card in my tablet & phone for that; a 32G that cost me about C$15. It also have movies and a lot of stuff from Gutenberg and and the transcription of my favourite CDs. By now, 64G chips are getting cheap. Space is not the issue and hasn't been for a long while.
Use IMAP and IMAP alone. It was designed to cope with situation such as you are describing, once you get rid of that superfluous Dovecot server that is screwing up the resynchronisation.
Frankly, it is more reliable and versatile to instead store my local mail folders under my local dovecot server, where I can access it with any mail client in any locally connected computer.
Well, I can't. I simply can not access my home imap server when I'm not at home, so please stop giving absurd recommendations. My network limitations are not yours. The laptop needs a local copy of the server email, and I do this with two dovecot servers, imap, and sync tools, since years. I simple search for better sync tools. I do not care about other proposals. Writing and reading them is a waste of time for both. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas))
On 01/16/2019 01:37 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, I can't. I simply can not access my home imap server when I'm not at home, so please stop giving absurd recommendations. My network limitations are not yours.
The laptop needs a local copy of the server email, and I do this with two dovecot servers, imap, and sync tools, since years. I simple search for better sync tools. I do not care about other proposals. Writing and reading them is a waste of time for both.
I'm sorry Carlos, but the more you post, the more you show you don't know what you're talking about. You only need one IMAP server. It can be your ISP or you could have your own. Since you can't access your own remotely, then why bother even having it? Just use the ISPs server, configure all devices to use IMAP with that server and everything just works. You are clearly creating your own problems here, by ignoring what works. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 19.50, James Knott wrote:
On 01/16/2019 01:37 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, I can't. I simply can not access my home imap server when I'm not at home, so please stop giving absurd recommendations. My network limitations are not yours.
The laptop needs a local copy of the server email, and I do this with two dovecot servers, imap, and sync tools, since years. I simple search for better sync tools. I do not care about other proposals. Writing and reading them is a waste of time for both.
I'm sorry Carlos, but the more you post, the more you show you don't know what you're talking about. You only need one IMAP server. It can be your ISP or you could have your own. Since you can't access your own remotely, then why bother even having it? Just use the ISPs server,
100 MB usage.
configure all devices to use IMAP with that server and everything just works. You are clearly creating your own problems here, by ignoring what works.
I have tried all that. No, they don't work for me. Please, I'm not a novice. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019-01-16 11:57 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 17.03, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-16 9:21 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
I do something like this, but two portable Androids and the desktop. I have no problems with it. Any change to any one of the couple of dozen IMAP accounts I use is available to the other devices.
The downside is that on the Android devices the mail app I use -- K@, a development from K9 -- needs to be told to rescan manually. Setting the rescan period to 'automatic' for less than some longer period, an hour say, places too much demand on the batter for wifi/DATA use.
You misunderstand.
I want to sync three imap *servers*. Or at least, two.
The laptop is used on places where there is no internet or very limited, where I can not connect to the imap server back at home.
I'm going to drag it out of you bit by bit, aren't I, with all the "no I can't do that because ...." My response to the above is "so what? That applies to me as well. I can flag my IMAP reader to download as well if I'm off to a place where there isn't connectivity. If there isn't connectivity they synchronization is not an issue. I cant update anything; I can't read any more, I can't differentially alter anything. I'm not a player in the game any more. If you're going off-line just configure your reader to download. And when you're back connected it updates with anything new. That's the way IMAP works. You're over-egging this. I'd go further than James: Introducing your dovecot on the laptop or both laptops is just confusing the issue, completely UN-necessary. You are just adding complexity and confusion. KISS. Use IMAP the way it was intended, stop fighting it. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> [01-16-19 12:13]:
On 2019-01-16 11:57 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 17.03, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-16 9:21 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
I do something like this, but two portable Androids and the desktop. I have no problems with it. Any change to any one of the couple of dozen IMAP accounts I use is available to the other devices.
The downside is that on the Android devices the mail app I use -- K@, a development from K9 -- needs to be told to rescan manually. Setting the rescan period to 'automatic' for less than some longer period, an hour say, places too much demand on the batter for wifi/DATA use.
You misunderstand.
I want to sync three imap *servers*. Or at least, two.
The laptop is used on places where there is no internet or very limited, where I can not connect to the imap server back at home.
I'm going to drag it out of you bit by bit, aren't I, with all the "no I can't do that because ...."
My response to the above is "so what? That applies to me as well. I can flag my IMAP reader to download as well if I'm off to a place where there isn't connectivity.
If there isn't connectivity they synchronization is not an issue. I cant update anything; I can't read any more, I can't differentially alter anything.
I'm not a player in the game any more.
If you're going off-line just configure your reader to download.
And when you're back connected it updates with anything new. That's the way IMAP works.
You're over-egging this.
I'd go further than James: Introducing your dovecot on the laptop or both laptops is just confusing the issue, completely UN-necessary. You are just adding complexity and confusion.
KISS. Use IMAP the way it was intended, stop fighting it.
or dl to your own server and access your own server to read. you don't have a requirement for dovecot at all this way. and it works, been doing it for years. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> [01-16-19 12:18]:
* Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> [01-16-19 12:13]:
On 2019-01-16 11:57 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 17.03, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-16 9:21 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
I do something like this, but two portable Androids and the desktop. I have no problems with it. Any change to any one of the couple of dozen IMAP accounts I use is available to the other devices.
The downside is that on the Android devices the mail app I use -- K@, a development from K9 -- needs to be told to rescan manually. Setting the rescan period to 'automatic' for less than some longer period, an hour say, places too much demand on the batter for wifi/DATA use.
You misunderstand.
I want to sync three imap *servers*. Or at least, two.
The laptop is used on places where there is no internet or very limited, where I can not connect to the imap server back at home.
I'm going to drag it out of you bit by bit, aren't I, with all the "no I can't do that because ...."
My response to the above is "so what? That applies to me as well. I can flag my IMAP reader to download as well if I'm off to a place where there isn't connectivity.
If there isn't connectivity they synchronization is not an issue. I cant update anything; I can't read any more, I can't differentially alter anything.
I'm not a player in the game any more.
If you're going off-line just configure your reader to download.
And when you're back connected it updates with anything new. That's the way IMAP works.
You're over-egging this.
I'd go further than James: Introducing your dovecot on the laptop or both laptops is just confusing the issue, completely UN-necessary. You are just adding complexity and confusion.
KISS. Use IMAP the way it was intended, stop fighting it.
or dl to your own server and access your own server to read. you don't have a requirement for dovecot at all this way. and it works, been doing it for years.
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On 16/01/2019 18.15, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> [01-16-19 12:13]:
On 2019-01-16 11:57 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 17.03, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-16 9:21 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
I do something like this, but two portable Androids and the desktop. I have no problems with it. Any change to any one of the couple of dozen IMAP accounts I use is available to the other devices.
The downside is that on the Android devices the mail app I use -- K@, a development from K9 -- needs to be told to rescan manually. Setting the rescan period to 'automatic' for less than some longer period, an hour say, places too much demand on the batter for wifi/DATA use.
You misunderstand.
I want to sync three imap *servers*. Or at least, two.
The laptop is used on places where there is no internet or very limited, where I can not connect to the imap server back at home.
I'm going to drag it out of you bit by bit, aren't I, with all the "no I can't do that because ...."
My response to the above is "so what? That applies to me as well. I can flag my IMAP reader to download as well if I'm off to a place where there isn't connectivity.
If there isn't connectivity they synchronization is not an issue. I cant update anything; I can't read any more, I can't differentially alter anything.
I'm not a player in the game any more.
If you're going off-line just configure your reader to download.
LOL. That makes Thunderbird to crash or lock for hours, wasting dozens of gigabytes. And then it skips some mails for unknown reason. Further, my home server will be offline for the laptop, but my ISP folders are not. Thunderbird can not handle this.
And when you're back connected it updates with anything new. That's the way IMAP works.
You're over-egging this.
I'd go further than James: Introducing your dovecot on the laptop or both laptops is just confusing the issue, completely UN-necessary. You are just adding complexity and confusion.
KISS. Use IMAP the way it was intended, stop fighting it.
Obviously you do not understand (Anton).
or dl to your own server and access your own server to read. you don't have a requirement for dovecot at all this way. and it works, been doing it for years.
Certainly, I know how to do that. But I prefer not to do it. Bandwidth issues. I prefer to do as I said: sync two imap servers. I have been doing that for years. It works. I'm just wondering about better sync solutions that the one I use. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas))
On 2019-01-16 12:37 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
If you're going off-line just configure your reader to download. LOL. That makes Thunderbird to crash or lock for hours, wasting dozens of gigabytes. And then it skips some mails for unknown reason. Further, my home server will be offline for the laptop, but my ISP folders are not. Thunderbird can not handle this.
Then get rid of that unnecessary server on the laptop. you home/wired connection should be connected and you shouldn't need to have T'Bird download. I know this because, as I say, I run pure IMAP. I have no need to download at the T'Bird end and don't. I'm fortunate that my area has plenty of wifi, the mall, library, coffee shops. I don't need it while driving, I've already downloaded the latest map& updates before setting out. The problems you have are artificially generated by the UN-necessary complexity of that additional server on the laptop. It is not needed and it is very clearly screwing up your ability to use IMAP properly. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 18.57, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-16 12:37 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
If you're going off-line just configure your reader to download. LOL. That makes Thunderbird to crash or lock for hours, wasting dozens of gigabytes. And then it skips some mails for unknown reason. Further, my home server will be offline for the laptop, but my ISP folders are not. Thunderbird can not handle this.
Then get rid of that unnecessary server on the laptop. you home/wired connection should be connected and you shouldn't need to have T'Bird download.
Ok, I'm not at home and I don't have the bandwidth for that. And I have to pay them megas. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas))
On 01/16/2019 01:27 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Then get rid of that unnecessary server on the laptop. you home/wired connection should be connected and you shouldn't need to have T'Bird download. Ok, I'm not at home and I don't have the bandwidth for that. And I have to pay them megas.
You're not making sense. Whether Dovecot or Thunderbird, at some point you have to download messages. So, download at home and configure Thunderbird to work offline. It is really that easy! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 19.45, James Knott wrote:
On 01/16/2019 01:27 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Then get rid of that unnecessary server on the laptop. you home/wired connection should be connected and you shouldn't need to have T'Bird download. Ok, I'm not at home and I don't have the bandwidth for that. And I have to pay them megas.
You're not making sense. Whether Dovecot or Thunderbird, at some point you have to download messages. So, download at home and configure Thunderbird to work offline. It is really that easy!
Again, thunderbird is very slow at this humonguous task. It crashes, it randomly fails with some emails that it doesn't cache. No. Dovecot works very reliably and fast. I'm already doing it the way I want. I'm doing it my way since years. I just asked about two imap sync programs, people using them or some other. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019-01-16 1:27 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ok, I'm not at home and I don't have the bandwidth for that. And I have to pay them megas.
As James points out, T'Bird only needs to do the 'big download' once. Do that when you are at home and have add that bandwidth and time. Then, as, again, James points out ... <> Thunderbird will sync whenever it can reach the <> server. This means you'll only have download "gigabytes" the first time <> you connect the client to the server. After that, it's just updates as <> new messages are received and old ones deleted. Make the IMAP protocol do the work for you. Stop making IMAP behave as POP. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 19.50, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-16 1:27 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ok, I'm not at home and I don't have the bandwidth for that. And I have to pay them megas.
As James points out, T'Bird only needs to do the 'big download' once. Do that when you are at home and have add that bandwidth and time.
I repeat. It crashes. It stalls. It randomly skips some mail bodies. And the next time I run the sync, it again takes hours. I repeat, I'm no novice, I have done what you people describe. I found a better way years ago, I'm happy with it, and I'm NOT changing it.
Then, as, again, James points out ...
<> Thunderbird will sync whenever it can reach the <> server. This means you'll only have download "gigabytes" the first time <> you connect the client to the server. After that, it's just updates as <> new messages are received and old ones deleted.
Make the IMAP protocol do the work for you. Stop making IMAP behave as POP.
Stop telling me that! I'm not using it as POP, for god shake! :-/ Either you have used IMAP account/server SYNC tools, or not. If you do, tell me your experiences. Anything else, I'm not interested. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 16/01/2019 18:12, Anton Aylward wrote:
Use IMAP the way it was intended, stop fighting it.
Agreed. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 17.03, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-16 9:21 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
I do something like this, but two portable Androids and the desktop. I have no problems with it. Any change to any one of the couple of dozen IMAP accounts I use is available to the other devices.
The downside is that on the Android devices the mail app I use -- K@, a development from K9 -- needs to be told to rescan manually. Setting the rescan period to 'automatic' for less than some longer period, an hour say, places too much demand on the batter for wifi/DATA use.
You misunderstand.
I want to sync three imap *servers*. Or at least, two.
The laptop is used on places where there is no internet or very limited, where I can not connect to the imap server back at home.
Some years back, we used to spend our summer holidays on a remote Greek island, no wifi, sketchy mobile connection. I managed quite well by switching the laptop to "offline" mode before we left, keeping copies of mails locally, then only getting the daily refresh (which could take a while). (3 imap accounts, from one server). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.5°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 21.23, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 17.03, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-16 9:21 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
I do something like this, but two portable Androids and the desktop. I have no problems with it. Any change to any one of the couple of dozen IMAP accounts I use is available to the other devices.
The downside is that on the Android devices the mail app I use -- K@, a development from K9 -- needs to be told to rescan manually. Setting the rescan period to 'automatic' for less than some longer period, an hour say, places too much demand on the batter for wifi/DATA use.
You misunderstand.
I want to sync three imap *servers*. Or at least, two.
The laptop is used on places where there is no internet or very limited, where I can not connect to the imap server back at home.
Some years back, we used to spend our summer holidays on a remote Greek island, no wifi, sketchy mobile connection. I managed quite well by switching the laptop to "offline" mode before we left, keeping copies of mails locally, then only getting the daily refresh (which could take a while). (3 imap accounts, from one server).
Yes. I did that in the past. But syncing my desktop dovecot-imap server to my laptop Thunderbird for offline use takes hours and dozens, if not hundreds, of megabytes. Wait, is is more than 12 gigabytes, just took a look. My current system is much faster. And Thunderbird would say that it had synced everything, and then I would try to read something and the contents would be missing. The next post would be complete, but some were missing. It was not reliable. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 21.23, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The laptop is used on places where there is no internet or very limited, where I can not connect to the imap server back at home.
Some years back, we used to spend our summer holidays on a remote Greek island, no wifi, sketchy mobile connection. I managed quite well by switching the laptop to "offline" mode before we left, keeping copies of mails locally, then only getting the daily refresh (which could take a while). (3 imap accounts, from one server).
Yes. I did that in the past. But syncing my desktop dovecot-imap server to my laptop Thunderbird for offline use takes hours and dozens, if not hundreds, of megabytes. Wait, is is more than 12 gigabytes, just took a look.
Hardly a lot these days? Especially not if you do it regularly.
My current system is much faster. And Thunderbird would say that it had synced everything, and then I would try to read something and the contents would be missing. The next post would be complete, but some were missing. It was not reliable.
If your desire is to use Thunderbird with offline IMAP accounts, that's what I think you ought to pursue, not some work-around (that you are also having doubts about?) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 15.21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
I use imapsync to sync my dovecot imap on my laptop to my desktop. From laptop --> desktop, never in reverse direction. Actually, for the reverse I use plain rsync to copy across all folders. Brute force.
When updating it now, I notice this paragraph:
«imapsync is not adequate for maintaining two active imap accounts in synchronization where the user plays independently on both sides. Use offlineimap (written by John Goerzen) or mbsync (written by Michael R. Elkins) for 2 ways synchronizations.»
Has anybody done that, any thoughts to share?
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
People, please, don't go inventing other methods. I want to sync two or three dovecot severs, period. Any other proposal is invalid and I'll ignore it. I want comments from people that has used any of the tools: imapsync, offlineimap, mbsync, or some other. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.0 (Legolas))
On 2019-01-16 1:25 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
People, please, don't go inventing other methods. I want to sync two or three dovecot severs, period. Any other proposal is invalid and I'll ignore it.
I want comments from people that has used any of the tools: imapsync, offlineimap, mbsync, or some other.
So what you are saying is "fix it but don't actually change anything". You are saying that you want to keep on forcing IMAP to behave as POP, to create two data stores on two, possible three locations that are, by its very nature, going to be out of sync. All when there is a simple alternative to achieve the real objective which is being able to read/write mail on any of your devices without worrying about synchronization, which is something we're all describing to you. Hey Monkey, let go of the sweet and you'll be able to pull your hand out of the jar and escape from the hunter. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 19.42, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-16 1:25 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
People, please, don't go inventing other methods. I want to sync two or three dovecot severs, period. Any other proposal is invalid and I'll ignore it.
I want comments from people that has used any of the tools: imapsync, offlineimap, mbsync, or some other.
So what you are saying is "fix it but don't actually change anything".
You are saying that you want to keep on forcing IMAP to behave as POP, to create two data stores on two, possible three locations that are, by its very nature, going to be out of sync.
That's your misunderstanding.
All when there is a simple alternative to achieve the real objective which is being able to read/write mail on any of your devices without worrying about synchronization, which is something we're all describing to you.
You forget: bad connectivity and limited bandwidth.
Hey Monkey, let go of the sweet and you'll be able to pull your hand out of the jar and escape from the hunter.
The real objective is keeping in sync two dovecot-imap servers. Not other. I am doing that, I'm only wondering about better tools to do that sync than "imapsync". You would do things differently, ok, but I want my way. Please. I have already tried your way, I'm not a novice. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019-01-16 1:25 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
I want comments from people that has used any of the tools: imapsync, offlineimap, mbsync, or some other.
OK, try this. Stop using imapsync, use getmail; it's smaller and faster. On your first laptop, configure it to fetch mail from the ISP/IMAP account AND the other laptop. One the second laptop, do the same. You now have the two laptops in sync with each other and the ISP. Do the same with the PC but have the getmail pointed at both laptops. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 19.55, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-16 1:25 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
I want comments from people that has used any of the tools: imapsync, offlineimap, mbsync, or some other.
OK, try this.
Stop using imapsync, use getmail; it's smaller and faster.
On your first laptop, configure it to fetch mail from the ISP/IMAP account AND the other laptop.
One the second laptop, do the same.
You now have the two laptops in sync with each other and the ISP.
Do the same with the PC but have the getmail pointed at both laptops.
I had a look, but it is just a mail retriever, it does not "sync" imap folders. Ie, find out the new posts in a folder, and send only those to the same folder on the other imap server. Conversely, delete mails that were deleted since the last sync. And hopefully, move to a different folders things that were moved. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 15.21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
I use imapsync to sync my dovecot imap on my laptop to my desktop. From laptop --> desktop, never in reverse direction. Actually, for the reverse I use plain rsync to copy across all folders. Brute force.
When updating it now, I notice this paragraph:
«imapsync is not adequate for maintaining two active imap accounts in synchronization where the user plays independently on both sides. Use offlineimap (written by John Goerzen) or mbsync (written by Michael R. Elkins) for 2 ways synchronizations.»
Has anybody done that, any thoughts to share?
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
People, please, don't go inventing other methods. I want to sync two or three dovecot severs, period. Any other proposal is invalid and I'll ignore it.
Are you synchronising servers or accounts? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 20.36, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 15.21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
I use imapsync to sync my dovecot imap on my laptop to my desktop. From laptop --> desktop, never in reverse direction. Actually, for the reverse I use plain rsync to copy across all folders. Brute force.
When updating it now, I notice this paragraph:
«imapsync is not adequate for maintaining two active imap accounts in synchronization where the user plays independently on both sides. Use offlineimap (written by John Goerzen) or mbsync (written by Michael R. Elkins) for 2 ways synchronizations.»
Has anybody done that, any thoughts to share?
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
People, please, don't go inventing other methods. I want to sync two or three dovecot severs, period. Any other proposal is invalid and I'll ignore it.
Are you synchronising servers or accounts?
One account is enough. It could be the server if it makes a difference, because at the moment I'm the sole user. Currently, I don't sync my entire account, I skip some folders (the old mail archive). -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 01/16/2019 04:36 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Currently, I don't sync my entire account, I skip some folders
IMAP clients can do that too. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 22.46, James Knott wrote:
On 01/16/2019 04:36 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Currently, I don't sync my entire account, I skip some folders
IMAP clients can do that too.
Not interested. (I know, by the way) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 20.36, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 15.21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
I use imapsync to sync my dovecot imap on my laptop to my desktop. From laptop --> desktop, never in reverse direction. Actually, for the reverse I use plain rsync to copy across all folders. Brute force.
When updating it now, I notice this paragraph:
«imapsync is not adequate for maintaining two active imap accounts in synchronization where the user plays independently on both sides. Use offlineimap (written by John Goerzen) or mbsync (written by Michael R. Elkins) for 2 ways synchronizations.»
Has anybody done that, any thoughts to share?
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
People, please, don't go inventing other methods. I want to sync two or three dovecot severs, period. Any other proposal is invalid and I'll ignore it.
Are you synchronising servers or accounts?
One account is enough. It could be the server if it makes a difference, because at the moment I'm the sole user.
I'm sure there are tried and tested dovecot mirroring/high-availability solutions out there. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.8°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 23.13, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Are you synchronising servers or accounts?
One account is enough. It could be the server if it makes a difference, because at the moment I'm the sole user.
I'm sure there are tried and tested dovecot mirroring/high-availability solutions out there.
Which is why I was asking about people already doing this, to share that experience ;-) I'm using imapsync since some years, it works well, albeit in one direction only. Let me stress it: my current setup works fine in the way I want it :-) Then I read this paragraph: «imapsync is not adequate for maintaining two active imap accounts in synchronization where the user plays independently on both sides. Use offlineimap (written by John Goerzen) or mbsync (written by Michael R. Elkins) for 2 ways synchronizations.» And I wonder about those two. Or some other I don't know about. As simple as that. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 23.13, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Are you synchronising servers or accounts?
One account is enough. It could be the server if it makes a difference, because at the moment I'm the sole user.
I'm sure there are tried and tested dovecot mirroring/high-availability solutions out there.
Which is why I was asking about people already doing this, to share that experience ;-)
Well, fwiw, dovecot does replication with dsync : https://wiki.dovecot.org/Replication It sounds like overkill for your scenario. I don't know the other two tools you've mentioned. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.0°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019-01-17 2:10 a.m., Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 23.13, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Are you synchronising servers or accounts?
One account is enough. It could be the server if it makes a difference, because at the moment I'm the sole user.
I'm sure there are tried and tested dovecot mirroring/high-availability solutions out there.
Which is why I was asking about people already doing this, to share that experience ;-)
Well, fwiw, dovecot does replication with dsync :
https://wiki.dovecot.org/Replication
It sounds like overkill for your scenario. I don't know the other two tools you've mentioned.
There is also doveadm-sync - Dovecot's two-way mailbox synchronization utility http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/cosmic/man1/doveadm-sync.1.html -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/01/2019 14.13, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-17 2:10 a.m., Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 23.13, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Are you synchronising servers or accounts?
One account is enough. It could be the server if it makes a difference, because at the moment I'm the sole user.
I'm sure there are tried and tested dovecot mirroring/high-availability solutions out there.
Which is why I was asking about people already doing this, to share that experience ;-)
Well, fwiw, dovecot does replication with dsync :
https://wiki.dovecot.org/Replication
It sounds like overkill for your scenario. I don't know the other two tools you've mentioned.
There is that. Some of the tools I contemplated time ago were overkill. One scenario is keeping several imap servers in sync, apparently so that clients can connect to any one randomly, to distribute the load. That's excessive, but once implemented might be easier to maintain.
There is also doveadm-sync - Dovecot's two-way mailbox synchronization utility http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/cosmic/man1/doveadm-sync.1.html
I will have a look. With time, I have no hurry :-) Thanks. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019-01-16 1:25 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 15.21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
I use imapsync to sync my dovecot imap on my laptop to my desktop. From laptop --> desktop, never in reverse direction. Actually, for the reverse I use plain rsync to copy across all folders. Brute force.
When updating it now, I notice this paragraph:
«imapsync is not adequate for maintaining two active imap accounts in synchronization where the user plays independently on both sides. Use offlineimap (written by John Goerzen) or mbsync (written by Michael R. Elkins) for 2 ways synchronizations.»
Has anybody done that, any thoughts to share?
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
People, please, don't go inventing other methods. I want to sync two or three dovecot severs, period. Any other proposal is invalid and I'll ignore it.
If your focus is dovecot server then you should read the dovecot documentation. Hint: https://wiki.dovecot.org/Replication -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/01/2019 20.40, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-16 1:25 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 16/01/2019 15.21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
I use imapsync to sync my dovecot imap on my laptop to my desktop. From laptop --> desktop, never in reverse direction. Actually, for the reverse I use plain rsync to copy across all folders. Brute force.
When updating it now, I notice this paragraph:
«imapsync is not adequate for maintaining two active imap accounts in synchronization where the user plays independently on both sides. Use offlineimap (written by John Goerzen) or mbsync (written by Michael R. Elkins) for 2 ways synchronizations.»
Has anybody done that, any thoughts to share?
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
People, please, don't go inventing other methods. I want to sync two or three dovecot severs, period. Any other proposal is invalid and I'll ignore it.
If your focus is dovecot server then you should read the dovecot documentation. Hint: https://wiki.dovecot.org/Replication
I know that since years. I ask about real life experience with those tools, before taking the effort to deep study one tool. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 1/16/2019 6:21 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
I use imapsync to sync my dovecot imap on my laptop to my desktop. From laptop --> desktop, never in reverse direction. Actually, for the reverse I use plain rsync to copy across all folders. Brute force.
---- Are you really wanting to sync two separate accounts? Usually you have no sync problem, because messages come into your "mail domain" and you read it on your devices (desktop or laptop). Some are visualizing this as 2 inputs because their home is fully downloading from something like gmail, but then they also want to be able to to do smaller browsing sessions w/smaller message volume during day when away. The merge is possible now, since each mail has a uniq mail-id, so whether your email comes directly into desktop or laptop then copies uploaded to desktop, dups can be sorted with mail-id's, BUT why bother? wouldn't any quick-reads and replies sent from laptop already be uploaded and sync'd on your laptop? I think it is paralleling my persistent want. I want a small lightweight store -- usually for docs/books, but could handle a few hours video and music, a music-lib maybe by default, a video as a small-event like a article, or manga read. My problem is all the items that can support the things I want are locked down -- can only put someone else's content on it and CAN'T put my own content on it. Frequently want to print tech docs -- reports/displays pdf -- what I end up doing is printing a 20-50 page doc, then recycling the paper. I think it'd be easier with a flash download or local wireless, but nothing with battery+capacity in the right price point. For me, I think I want my content to stay stored on my local net, then download stuff to a "ToGo" device -- but not one that would have internet access. Still just with those items, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't see much selection if anything at a reasonable price. Sorry if my topic wasn't fully same as yours, but felt similar at the time...*sigh*...
The goal is to keep laptop and desktop machine dovecot accounts in sync, in both directions. Even better, two laptops and one desktop.
---- See -- I could see using both those laps, but only if I can load my own content as well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 20/01/2019 06.50, L A Walsh wrote:
On 1/16/2019 6:21 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Hi,
I use imapsync to sync my dovecot imap on my laptop to my desktop. From laptop --> desktop, never in reverse direction. Actually, for the reverse I use plain rsync to copy across all folders. Brute force.
---- Are you really wanting to sync two separate accounts?
Not exactly. The same account on two local only dovecot imap servers (one on desktop machine, the other on the laptops). Not ISP online servers. They hold the local, long term mail archive. Say, I download to my desktop email from different mail accounts with fetchmail, they are sorted into appropriate folders, filtered, etc. Then replicate the changes on the laptop. Conversely, when I'm not home, I do the downloading on the laptop; thus sync the changes back to the desktop when I get back home. No, without accessing the imap server on the desktop machine while outside, because of bandwidth constraints, and because the desktop remains switched off. That imap store is several gigabytes in size. Thunderbird takes hours to sync for offline use the mail archive, and makes mistakes not storing this or that post - I notice when those missing posts are those I need. So no, Thunderbird offline storage is not a valid solution. What I need would be something similar to Unison, but on posts, not files. I already have a working solution used for two years. I'm looking to improve it.
I think it is paralleling my persistent want. I want a small lightweight store -- usually for docs/books, but could handle a few hours video and music, a music-lib maybe by default, a video as a small-event like a article, or manga read.
My problem is all the items that can support the things I want are locked down -- can only put someone else's content on it and CAN'T put my own content on it.
A tablet?
Frequently want to print tech docs -- reports/displays pdf -- what I end up doing is printing a 20-50 page doc, then recycling the paper. I think it'd be easier with a flash download or local wireless, but nothing with battery+capacity in the right price point.
For me, I think I want my content to stay stored on my local net, then download stuff to a "ToGo" device -- but not one that would have internet access. Still just with those items, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't see much selection if anything at a reasonable price.
Sorry if my topic wasn't fully same as yours, but felt similar at the time...*sigh*...
:-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 20/01/2019 13:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Thunderbird takes hours to sync for offline use the mail archive, and makes mistakes not storing this or that post - I notice when those missing posts are those I need. So no, Thunderbird offline storage is not a valid solution.
Unfortunately, here, I can confirm from personal experience that Carlos is correct. (Not "unfortunately" because I don't want to agree with Carlos! "Unfortunately" because I like Thunderbird -- it's my favourite MUA.) I can't use T'bird for my personal mail any more, because just 1 day isn't long enough for it to sync with my 90% full 13-year-old Gmail account. I have considered learning enough Python to write a sort of "rsync for IMAP", because I too have seen the unreliable synching issue. Mails are present in Gmail but missing in T'bird because for some reason T'bird doesn't retrieve them. Threads get broken, attachments aren't there. Moving messages between folders leaves large gaps where hundreds, thousands, of messages get missed. However, I had not considered running multiple local IMAP servers as a way round it. That does seem over the top.
A tablet?
:-D As a confirmed laptop enthusiast, I bought a Chuwi Hi9 Air back in June before a planned hospital stay. I use it more than I thought I would. Cheap, high spec, sharp screen, dual SIM plus µSD slot. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 21/01/2019 15.49, Liam Proven wrote:
On 20/01/2019 13:07, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Thunderbird takes hours to sync for offline use the mail archive, and makes mistakes not storing this or that post - I notice when those missing posts are those I need. So no, Thunderbird offline storage is not a valid solution.
Unfortunately, here, I can confirm from personal experience that Carlos is correct.
(Not "unfortunately" because I don't want to agree with Carlos! "Unfortunately" because I like Thunderbird -- it's my favourite MUA.)
LOL! :-))
I can't use T'bird for my personal mail any more, because just 1 day isn't long enough for it to sync with my 90% full 13-year-old Gmail account.
I have considered learning enough Python to write a sort of "rsync for IMAP", because I too have seen the unreliable synching issue. Mails are present in Gmail but missing in T'bird because for some reason T'bird doesn't retrieve them. Threads get broken, attachments aren't there. Moving messages between folders leaves large gaps where hundreds, thousands, of messages get missed.
However, I had not considered running multiple local IMAP servers as a way round it. That does seem over the top.
In your case, it could be a single local imap server. For syncing in one direction only from gmail to your machine, "imapsync" would work, although I haven't tested in that situation. Gmail is, er, special. Gmail does not use folders. It would put everything on the same folder on sync. Argh. I had not thought of that. <https://imapsync.lamiral.info/FAQ.d/FAQ.Gmail.txt> Wow. See this one: «Q. How many days does it take to transfer X GB? R. Basically it takes X days to transfer X GB per account. Gmail has usage limits per day and use throttlers when they are overtaken» My case is totally different. I get new mail from gmail and others using fetchmail, then process is and store under dovecot.
A tablet?
:-D
As a confirmed laptop enthusiast, I bought a Chuwi Hi9 Air back in June before a planned hospital stay. I use it more than I thought I would. Cheap, high spec, sharp screen, dual SIM plus µSD slot.
I feel unable to handle mail on my tablet for long. A family post or two, with the gmail app. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 1/21/19 8:31 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 21/01/2019 15.49, Liam Proven wrote:
(Not "unfortunately" because I don't want to agree with Carlos! "Unfortunately" because I like Thunderbird -- it's my favourite MUA.)
LOL! :-))
;-)
In your case, it could be a single local imap server.
Well, it could, but still there are issues. [1] I run it at home. That means I need to open ports through the firewall, which isn't mine. It means I need to leave a machine on all day, which I usually don't. And there's the distinct possibility of power outages etc. And I have to maintain an internet-facing server, which I guess I have most of the skills to do but don't want to be continually monitoring for exploits, etc. [2] I run it on a host on the Net somewhere. That means paying more, plus all the issues of maintenance etc. complicated by not being on-site. [3] I find some other way of doing it in "the cloud", meaning I pay _and_ I have to trust someone somewhere to host it, keep the instance maintained and current, etc. Or I use Google, which is free, has an excellent web interface, syncs transparently with all my devices, and basically Just Works™ better than anything else I know. So I use Google.
For syncing in one direction only from gmail to your machine, "imapsync" would work, although I haven't tested in that situation.
I will look into that.
Gmail is, er, special.
It is. This is both good and bad.
Gmail does not use folders. It would put everything on the same folder on sync.
I don't know about imapsync but to a conventional IMAP client, its tags appear as folders. And you can nest tags, just to 2 levels but that is all I need.
<https://imapsync.lamiral.info/FAQ.d/FAQ.Gmail.txt>
Wow. See this one:
«Q. How many days does it take to transfer X GB?
R. Basically it takes X days to transfer X GB per account. Gmail has usage limits per day and use throttlers when they are overtaken»
That sounds about right. :-( A pain with MUAs, no issue with Google clients or the web.
My case is totally different. I get new mail from gmail and others using fetchmail, then process is and store under dovecot.
I use Gmail to consolidate all my other accounts. Currently, it collects from my 28-year-old CIX account, my 23-year-old Hotmail and AOL accounts, and my I-can't-remember-but-old Yahoo account.
I feel unable to handle mail on my tablet for long. A family post or two, with the gmail app.
It's fine for reading. Not good for replying. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 22/01/2019 11.37, Liam Proven wrote:
On 1/21/19 8:31 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 21/01/2019 15.49, Liam Proven wrote:
(Not "unfortunately" because I don't want to agree with Carlos! "Unfortunately" because I like Thunderbird -- it's my favourite MUA.)
LOL! :-))
;-)
In your case, it could be a single local imap server.
Well, it could, but still there are issues.
[1] I run it at home. That means I need to open ports through the firewall, which isn't mine. It means I need to leave a machine on all day, which I usually don't. And there's the distinct possibility of power outages etc. And I have to maintain an internet-facing server, which I guess I have most of the skills to do but don't want to be continually monitoring for exploits, etc.
Partly this can be solved by not exposing imap to internet, but ssh only. Then connect a tunnel to it to use imap inside. No, I have not done that, I have similar objections to yours. Thus, I download both to my laptop and my desktop and try to keep them synced.
So I use Google.
For syncing in one direction only from gmail to your machine, "imapsync" would work, although I haven't tested in that situation.
I will look into that.
Gmail is, er, special.
It is. This is both good and bad.
Gmail does not use folders. It would put everything on the same folder on sync.
I don't know about imapsync but to a conventional IMAP client, its tags appear as folders. And you can nest tags, just to 2 levels but that is all I need.
Ah! Ok. Yes, you are right, I see them in Thunderbird. I forgot. I only have two tags, an old experiment.
<https://imapsync.lamiral.info/FAQ.d/FAQ.Gmail.txt>
Wow. See this one:
«Q. How many days does it take to transfer X GB?
R. Basically it takes X days to transfer X GB per account. Gmail has usage limits per day and use throttlers when they are overtaken»
That sounds about right. :-(
A pain with MUAs, no issue with Google clients or the web.
Right. Of course, it may be possible, with a good sync client, to finish the sync eventually, and from then on, only sync the changed stuff "faster". Would that work with google? I don't know. imapsync on local network only is slow...
My case is totally different. I get new mail from gmail and others using fetchmail, then process is and store under dovecot.
I use Gmail to consolidate all my other accounts. Currently, it collects from my 28-year-old CIX account, my 23-year-old Hotmail and AOL accounts, and my I-can't-remember-but-old Yahoo account.
Oh!
I feel unable to handle mail on my tablet for long. A family post or two, with the gmail app.
It's fine for reading. Not good for replying.
Exactly. Now, here comes "dictation". Ie, speak my letter. It works fairly well if I do in Spanish, but sometimes horribly in English. Sometimes, probably due to my accent, it gets out of sync and what it writes is absurd, to say the least. It may write a correct paragraph with a huge single word mistake in the middle that changes the meaning of the paragraph. Being one word, I don't notice it... till after sending. However... Google dictation is way ahead of Linux dictation. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 1/22/19 12:07 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Partly this can be solved by not exposing imap to internet, but ssh only. Then connect a tunnel to it to use imap inside. No, I have not done that, I have similar objections to yours.
I don't only use Linux. I access my email from Macs, Windows, Android, iOS, Haiku, RISC OS and in theory though I think that I haven't tried it yet, from A2/Bluebottle. They don't all do SSH. And if they did, it still means exposing ssh to the internet...
Ah! Ok. Yes, you are right, I see them in Thunderbird. I forgot. I only have two tags, an old experiment.
Ah. I have about 100 and about 200-250 filtering rules.
Of course, it may be possible, with a good sync client, to finish the sync eventually, and from then on, only sync the changed stuff "faster". Would that work with google? I don't know.
It doesn't seem to with T'bird or with Apple Mail. :-( I would prefer to keep it in T'bird as I also have my email archive from 1995-2004 in T'bird. That is when I switched over to Gmail. Not entirely and not instantly, but it was so much better than trying to keep T'bird in sync across >1 machine running >1 OS. 2004 is also when I switched from SUSE to Ubuntu, as it happens, although later than that I switched again to Mac OS X.
imapsync on local network only is slow...
Ah. :-(
I use Gmail to consolidate all my other accounts. Currently, it collects from my 28-year-old CIX account, my 23-year-old Hotmail and AOL accounts, and my I-can't-remember-but-old Yahoo account.
Oh!
Yes. It contains about 6-7 GiB of mail.
Now, here comes "dictation". Ie, speak my letter. It works fairly well if I do in Spanish, but sometimes horribly in English. Sometimes, probably due to my accent, it gets out of sync and what it writes is absurd, to say the least.
It may write a correct paragraph with a huge single word mistake in the middle that changes the meaning of the paragraph. Being one word, I don't notice it... till after sending.
However... Google dictation is way ahead of Linux dictation.
I tried this in July/August last year when I could not use my left hand for a couple of months following shoulder surgery. It worked, but not well. I was still quicker with 1 hand. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 22/01/2019 14.14, Liam Proven wrote:
On 1/22/19 12:07 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
Partly this can be solved by not exposing imap to internet, but ssh only. Then connect a tunnel to it to use imap inside. No, I have not done that, I have similar objections to yours.
I don't only use Linux. I access my email from Macs, Windows, Android, iOS, Haiku, RISC OS and in theory though I think that I haven't tried it yet, from A2/Bluebottle.
They don't all do SSH.
And if they did, it still means exposing ssh to the internet...
Well, that I already do. Not on the desktop machine, but a dedicated small "server".
Of course, it may be possible, with a good sync client, to finish the sync eventually, and from then on, only sync the changed stuff "faster". Would that work with google? I don't know.
It doesn't seem to with T'bird or with Apple Mail. :-(
T'bird can't even with dovecot on local network!
imapsync on local network only is slow...
Ah. :-(
Apparently it first scans the headers of every post on every folder. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019-01-22 6:07 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
Partly this can be solved by not exposing imap to internet, but ssh only. Then connect a tunnel to it to use imap inside.
What abut IMAP-S MAP uses port 143, but SSL/TLS encrypted IMAP uses port 993. I suppose you could tunnel on top of that. How paranoid do you feel today? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 22/01/2019 16.37, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-22 6:07 a.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
Partly this can be solved by not exposing imap to internet, but ssh only. Then connect a tunnel to it to use imap inside.
What abut IMAP-S MAP uses port 143, but SSL/TLS encrypted IMAP uses port 993.
I suppose you could tunnel on top of that. How paranoid do you feel today?
A lot :-p ssh on high port with pair of encrypted keys, password not allowed. A tunnel also fools the local tool into thinking it is connected to the local network, so no configuration change necesary. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019-01-21 2:31 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
I feel unable to handle mail on my tablet for long. A family post or two, with the gmail app.
I'll grant and endorse that. There are some very good readers; I'm happy with K-@ on my Android tablet *as a reader*. It has a nice consolidation feature. It nicely only shows the 'top of the list' of accounts unless you explicitly say otherwise and you can do a '25 at a time' of the rest rather than drown in it all. But composing... Well on-screen keyboards are pretty despicable and ever since I cut the end of my thumb off ... The editor window is awful and there simply aren't the option available in PC email composers. I still haven't figured how to make K-9 or k-@ send plain text rather than HTML. And then I miss all the 'things' that are accessible on my PC ... But really, the GMail app isn't any better than K-@. And I can configure K-@, like any other proper email reader, to get IMAP mail from imap.gmail.com. To be honest, I have my doubts about the consolidation feature in K-9/@. You can see I have an account quite specific to this list. I realise that some *NIX users make use of the email system's "+" feature, and/or procmail. But that doesn't seem to work on the tablet or at various ISPs. Apart from my 'native' address (which, to be honest, does get overloaded) I don't have many list-specific addresses, only the high-volume or special interest ones. And not all the lists I can access on my PC are available on my tablet. I suppose in a perfect world I'd have a secured gateway and would be able to access my media and photo archive on the PC remotely. But in many ways the restriction is a GoodThing(tm) as it lets me deal with other than 'computer stuff'. Then too, having the tablet rather than a laptop is a restriction too (as, I suppose, would be having a chromebook but not the the same degree). My tablet is roughly the size of a 'Trade Paperback', better viewing than a phone. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 22/01/2019 15.14, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2019-01-21 2:31 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
I feel unable to handle mail on my tablet for long. A family post or two, with the gmail app.
...
But composing... Well on-screen keyboards are pretty despicable and ever since I cut the end of my thumb off ... The editor window is awful and there simply aren't the option available in PC email composers. I still haven't figured how to make K-9 or k-@ send plain text rather than HTML.
I didn't know about K-@.
But really, the GMail app isn't any better than K-@.
I use it instead of the gmail app so that google doesn't learn my mail and password to other mail accounts.
To be honest, I have my doubts about the consolidation feature in K-9/@. You can see I have an account quite specific to this list. I realise that some *NIX users make use of the email system's "+" feature, and/or procmail. But that doesn't seem to work on the tablet or at various ISPs.
It has to be enabled and it isn't on by default. Once I noticed that my ISP mail server was using the default certificate of the software, with names like example.do.not.use. Obviously they go for defaults. Do you think they would enable the + separator?
Apart from my 'native' address (which, to be honest, does get overloaded) I don't have many list-specific addresses, only the high-volume or special interest ones. And not all the lists I can access on my PC are available on my tablet.
I simply use one account for the lists. Filtering with procmail on the "X-Mailinglist:" header.
I suppose in a perfect world I'd have a secured gateway and would be able to access my media and photo archive on the PC remotely. But in many ways the restriction is a GoodThing(tm) as it lets me deal with other than 'computer stuff'. Then too, having the tablet rather than a laptop is a restriction too (as, I suppose, would be having a chromebook but not the the same degree). My tablet is roughly the size of a 'Trade Paperback', better viewing than a phone.
My small laptop is also a tablet with foldable keyboard to the back. Came with Windows. I replaced the hard disk with a bigger SSD and installed Linux on it. Double boot, that is. I was unable to boot Windows from an USB disk. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Op 22-01-19 om 15:14 schreef Anton Aylward: [...]
I still haven't figured how to make K-9 or k-@ send plain text rather than HTML.
For K-9: https://paste.opensuse.org/27556918 -- Harrie Baken -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 09:14:27 -0500 Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> wrote:
But composing... Well on-screen keyboards are pretty despicable and ever since I cut the end of my thumb off ...
Take a look at Hacker's Keyboard from the F-Droid repository -- Bob
On 1/23/19 6:22 PM, Bob Williams wrote:
Take a look at Hacker's Keyboard from the F-Droid repository
Not speaking for Anton or anyone else, but I *have* looked at that. It did not change my opinion at all, which is that, quote, "on-screen keyboards are pretty despicable". I strongly agree with this. I hate typing on a screen and always have. The one that caused me the least rage was Swype, which has, thus, now been discontinued. Swiping works well on modern touchscreens, and Swype also had a cursor-key screen and a numeric keypad, not crammed onto the same screen making them impossibly small, but on their own pages. But it is gone now. I mourn it. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 23/01/2019 à 18:32, Liam Proven a écrit :
The one that caused me the least rage was Swype,
I use swiftkey, not too bad when there is no other way. It's necessary to follow closely what words the system guess and choose one of them (was once called "T9") I miss a kde mobile system :-( I can live with k-9, occasionally, but using "news group" is a hell jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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