SuSE Linux 7.3

girts＠e118.lv

11 Oct 2001 11 Oct '01

11:28

Hello, Is anybody planning to purchase SuSE Linux 7.3? Does there exist an apportunity to make iso images publicly available on the Internet so as to copy them? Sincerely, Girts Zeltins

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Quinton Delpeche

11 Oct 11 Oct

12:41

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

Hi, I have a standing order with my suppliers for the new versions when they are released. However it goes against my principles to release the images publically on the web. The cost of buying the package just doesn't warrant having to release images of the software. Regards Q On Thu 11 Oct 01 13:28, girts@e118.lv wrote:

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Hello,

Is anybody planning to purchase SuSE Linux 7.3?

Does there exist an apportunity to make iso images publicly available on the Internet so as to copy them?

Sincerely, Girts Zeltins

Bryan Tyson

17:33

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

On Thursday 11 October 2001 08:41, Quinton wrote:

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However it goes against my principles to release the images publically on the web. The cost of buying the package just doesn't warrant having to release images of the software.

Right on. For all you get they are practically giving it away. If we want SuSE to be able to keep releasing this great software, the least we can do is buy the boxed distro. *************************************************** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.2 Professional KDE 2.1.2 KMail 1.2 Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net ***************************************************

Derek Fountain

13:06

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

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Does there exist an apportunity to make iso images publicly available on the Internet so as to copy them?

Lenz answered this a couple of months back. If my understanding of what he said was correct, redistribution from a public FTP site is not allowed because there are a number of 'pay' packages whose license forbids it. If someone can be bothered to remove the offending packages and recreate the ISOs then it should be OK. Except, of course, that our favoured Linux distributor will loose income and maybe go out of business...

James Ogley

13:14

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

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Lenz answered this a couple of months back. If my understanding of what he said was correct, redistribution from a public FTP site is not allowed because there are a number of 'pay' packages whose license forbids it. If someone can be bothered to remove the offending packages and recreate the ISOs then it should be OK.

The distro team have always put together an FTP release after the boxed release which is basically the Pro version without the non-free stuff, this is installable by FTP (or you can download it and use a local FTP server of course)

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Except, of course, that our favoured Linux distributor will loose income and maybe go out of business...

Indeed, support SuSE, buy the box! This allows SuSE to invest in employing hackers full time, which improves software quality, not just for SuSE, but Linux and other free software as a whole Of course you don't have to, that's the spirit of Linux, we all share and get along, it doesn't go against the spirit of GNU/Linux to share software via the web/FTP -- James Ogley, Unix Systems Administrator, Pinnacle Insurance Plc james.ogley@pinnacle.co.uk www.pinnacle.co.uk +44 (0) 20 8731 3619 Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 7.x) This email was created and sent with Ximian Evolution 0.15 *********************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY. This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Pinnacle Insurance Plc. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify our Helpdesk on +44 (0) 20 8207 9555. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **********************************************************************

babu walad

17:00

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

I think we should all do our part by buying the boxed version. However, having bought the boxed 7.1 release a few weeks before the 7.2 came out, I just cannot justify buying 4-5 boxes every year. I would hope Suse (and others) would at least allow some number of free upgrades (complete ones) before you were encouraged to buy another box. Babu --- James Ogley wrote:

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Lenz answered this a couple of months back. If my understanding of what he said was correct, redistribution from a public FTP site is not allowed because there are a number of 'pay' packages whose license forbids it. If someone can be bothered to remove the offending packages and recreate the ISOs then it should be OK.

The distro team have always put together an FTP release after the boxed release which is basically the Pro version without the non-free stuff, this is installable by FTP (or you can download it and use a local FTP server of course)

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Except, of course, that our favoured Linux distributor will loose income and maybe go out of business...

Indeed, support SuSE, buy the box!

This allows SuSE to invest in employing hackers full time, which improves software quality, not just for SuSE, but Linux and other free software as a whole

Of course you don't have to, that's the spirit of Linux, we all share and get along, it doesn't go against the spirit of GNU/Linux to share software via the web/FTP -- James Ogley, Unix Systems Administrator, Pinnacle Insurance Plc james.ogley@pinnacle.co.uk www.pinnacle.co.uk +44 (0) 20 8731 3619 Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 7.x) This email was created and sent with Ximian Evolution 0.15

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Theo. Sean Schulze

19:17

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

This is why I signed up for the subscription. The price was reduced as compared to the normal release, and I was guaranteed to keep getting the latest release without having to order it. It wan't free, but it was cheaper. As I saw it, I got a break on the price and SuSE benefitted by being able to count on a certain number of boxes from each release already being sold. They guarnateed me an update, and I covered their lower costs by being predictable. I seem to remember a message here recently, however, that indicated that the subscription was no more. Guess they weren't getting as many pre-sold boxes as they thought they would, or something... (Still waiting on my 7.2 Pro subscription update for the PPC...) Cheers, Sean On Thursday 11 October 2001 19:00, babu walad wrote:

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I think we should all do our part by buying the boxed version. However, having bought the boxed 7.1 release a few weeks before the 7.2 came out, I just cannot justify buying 4-5 boxes every year. I would hope Suse (and others) would at least allow some number of free upgrades (complete ones) before you were encouraged to buy another box.

Babu

--- James Ogley wrote:

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Lenz answered this a couple of months back. If my

understanding of what he

...
said was correct, redistribution from a public FTP

site is not allowed

...
because there are a number of 'pay' packages whose

license forbids it. If

...
someone can be bothered to remove the offending

packages and recreate the

...
ISOs then it should be OK.

The distro team have always put together an FTP release after the boxed release which is basically the Pro version without the non-free stuff, this is installable by FTP (or you can download it and use a local FTP server of course)

...
Except, of course, that our favoured Linux

distributor will loose income and

...
maybe go out of business...

Indeed, support SuSE, buy the box!

This allows SuSE to invest in employing hackers full time, which improves software quality, not just for SuSE, but Linux and other free software as a whole

Of course you don't have to, that's the spirit of Linux, we all share and get along, it doesn't go against the spirit of GNU/Linux to share software via the web/FTP -- James Ogley, Unix Systems Administrator, Pinnacle Insurance Plc james.ogley@pinnacle.co.uk www.pinnacle.co.uk +44 (0) 20 8731 3619 Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 7.x) This email was created and sent with Ximian Evolution 0.15

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Jon Biddell

12 Oct 12 Oct

12:31

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 05:17, Theo. Sean Schulze wrote:

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This is why I signed up for the subscription. The price was reduced as compared to the normal release, and I was guaranteed to keep getting the latest release without having to order it. It wan't free, but it was cheaper. As I saw it, I got a break on the price and SuSE benefitted by being able to count on a certain number of boxes from each release already being sold. They guarnateed me an update, and I covered their lower costs by being predictable. I seem to remember a message here recently, however, that indicated that the subscription was no more. Guess they weren't getting as many pre-sold boxes as they thought they would, or something...

(Still waiting on my 7.2 Pro subscription update for the PPC...)

It's OK for you lot in Europe - we in Australia cannot GET a subscription, and if we could, it would be horrendously expensive. A CD only upgrade is what is needed, with manuals as an option (or include them on the disk). Jon

David Hallam on Suse linux＠home

13 Oct 13 Oct

08:26

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

I agree. As a user who has been with SUSE since 5.? I get frustrated withits update process. I do not mind buying one update a year at full price. (the manuals are worthit!) but I carry on remigrating to debian or progeny because of a better packaging and update system. Updating to the next release on line is a sensible option for registered users. /dlh. On Friday 12 October 2001 22:31, Jon Biddell wrote:

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On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 05:17, Theo. Sean Schulze wrote:

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This is why I signed up for the subscription. The price was reduced as compared to the normal release, and I was guaranteed to keep getting the latest release without having to order it. It wan't free, but it was cheaper. As I saw it, I got a break on the price and SuSE benefitted by being able to count on a certain number of boxes from each release already being sold. They guarnateed me an update, and I covered their lower costs by being predictable. I seem to remember a message here recently, however, that indicated that the subscription was no more. Guess they weren't getting as many pre-sold boxes as they thought they would, or something...

(Still waiting on my 7.2 Pro subscription update for the PPC...)

It's OK for you lot in Europe - we in Australia cannot GET a subscription, and if we could, it would be horrendously expensive.

A CD only upgrade is what is needed, with manuals as an option (or include them on the disk).

Jon

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Ole Kofoed Hansen

11 Oct 11 Oct

22:28

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, babu walad wrote:

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I think we should all do our part by buying the boxed version. However, having bought the boxed 7.1 release a few weeks before the 7.2 came out, I just cannot justify buying 4-5 boxes every year. I would hope Suse (and others) would at least allow some number of free upgrades (complete ones) before you were encouraged to buy another box.

What gives people the idea that they have to buy a new version 4-5 times a year? Please consider the following points: 1) You don't have to upgrade each time. 2) SuSE only releases approximately 2 versions every year. 3) If you want to upgrade without paying, there is always ftp. Please use a mirror. I usually buy one of each major version. (5.3, 6.3 and 7.2 so far.) This amounts to one box about once every 2 years. Even I can afford that. In between, I have either downloaded or just skipped that version - depending on the type of internet access I had at the moment. Regards Ole

Lewie Wolfgang

22:33

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Ole Kofoed Hansen wrote:

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What gives people the idea that they have to buy a new version 4-5 times a year?

Hi Ole, I buy at least four professional boxes for each version. SuSE does such a good job and with its support of the open-source world I feel I "owe" it to them. I usually wind up giving a couple boxes away to help spread the word. Regards, Lew Wolfgang

Jon Pennington

22:48

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

--- On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Ole Kofoed Hansen wrote: --

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What gives people the idea that they have to buy a new version 4-5 times a year?

Dangit, here I go again... I'm used to Debian Testing and Unstable distributions. Unstable (Sid) changes anywhere from 5-15 binary packages *per*day*. Testing (Woody) is a little less aggressive, but things still change more than two days a week. Why? Because Open-Source Software changes that quickly. Keep an eye on Freshmeat.net for a few days and watch what projects come around every couple of days. That said, SuSE is bar-none the most up-to-date commercial distribution available. They have always been among the first to release new packages, such as XFree86 4.x, KDE 2.x, and others. Along with the advantage of introducing packages fastest comes the burdon of keeping those packages current and bug-free. SuSE does this by releasing a new distribution every 3-4 months, and they do a very good job of it. Problems? There are some, but the high-cyclic rate of this software-selling machine gun exceeds the quality of all commercial competitors so greatly that the problems aren't problems for long. What compels people to buy *every* copy? Lots of things. For me, it was (past tense) the urge to stay current. For others, there really *are* pressing issues that come with libfoo-1.2.3 that was released with the last version, and they need it fixed. If your system works, keep it; it's your box. I'm sure that there are a good number of SuSE 5.0 (first glibc release?) machines that still run, and a numerable group of machines older than that. Nobody can tell you what runs best on your equipment but you. If you want to play the game of keeping up with the Joneses, though, there are entry fees, and I consider $40 per box every quarter one of the least expensive games in town. Hed Rat wants $90+ for a box released every six months that only offers mild upgrades and security fixes; which would you rather have? ===== -- -=|JP|=- Hit me! - http://www.xanga.com/cowboydren/ Jon Pennington | Debian 2.3 -o) cowboydren @ yahoo . com | Auto Enthusiast /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | ICQ UIN 69 67 29 31 _\_V __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com

babu walad

12 Oct 12 Oct

17:34

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

--- Ole Kofoed Hansen wrote:

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What gives people the idea that they have to buy a new version 4-5 times a year?

Please consider the following points:

1) You don't have to upgrade each time. 2) SuSE only releases approximately 2 versions every year. 3) If you want to upgrade without paying, there is always ftp. Please use a mirror.

The fact is, if things worked fine out of the box, I would absolutely not update except when a major new functionality or feature was added. Today, I have spent nearly 2 months (part time basis) trying to get 7.1 to work with my PC and I still have critical roblems: 1. No drivers for AMI RAID. There is support for the chipset, but no drivers. 2. My OrangeMicro IEE1394, NEC chipset PCI card is unsupported. 3. Haven't got my ATI TV wonder card working 4. Haven't got my 3DLabs VX1 video card working. Why do I want to upgrade? Because I hope if I cannot get these drivers today they will in future releases be supported. Right now I am making slow progress and I have an unuseable linux box. My real goal is I need to run Matlab for school work but I'm getting sucked into update this package, update that RPM unit, update the kernel, update Xfree, etc... We are getting there but are not quite there yet. I still think Suse is a great product though. Babu __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com

Bruce Marshall

18:50

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

On Friday 12 October 2001 13:34 pm, babu walad wrote:

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--- Ole Kofoed Hansen

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What gives people the idea that they have to buy a new version 4-5 times a year?

Please consider the following points:

1) You don't have to upgrade each time. 2) SuSE only releases approximately 2 versions every year. 3) If you want to upgrade without paying, there is always ftp. Please use a mirror.

The fact is, if things worked fine out of the box, I would absolutely not update except when a major new functionality or feature was added.

Today, I have spent nearly 2 months (part time basis) trying to get 7.1 to work with my PC and I still have critical roblems: 1. No drivers for AMI RAID. There is support for the chipset, but no drivers. 2. My OrangeMicro IEE1394, NEC chipset PCI card is unsupported. 3. Haven't got my ATI TV wonder card working 4. Haven't got my 3DLabs VX1 video card working.

It is not SuSE's job to write drivers for all these (somewhat off-center) cards. If the drivers are available, go get them... if not, wait until someone writes a driver.

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Why do I want to upgrade? Because I hope if I cannot get these drivers today they will in future releases be supported. Right now I am making slow progress and I have an unuseable linux box.

My real goal is I need to run Matlab for school work but I'm getting sucked into update this package, update that RPM unit, update the kernel, update Xfree, etc...

We are getting there but are not quite there yet.

I still think Suse is a great product though.

Babu

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babu walad

21 Oct 21 Oct

21:44

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

--- Bruce Marshall wrote:

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On Friday 12 October 2001 13:34 pm, babu walad wrote:

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--- Ole Kofoed Hansen

wrote:

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What gives people the idea that they have to buy a new version 4-5 times a year?

Please consider the following points:

1) You don't have to upgrade each time. 2) SuSE only releases approximately 2 versions every year. 3) If you want to upgrade without paying, there is always ftp. Please use a mirror.

The fact is, if things worked fine out of the box, I would absolutely not update except when a major new functionality or feature was added.

Today, I have spent nearly 2 months (part time basis) trying to get 7.1 to work with my PC and I still have critical roblems: 1. No drivers for AMI RAID. There is support for the chipset, but no drivers. 2. My OrangeMicro IEE1394, NEC chipset PCI card is unsupported. 3. Haven't got my ATI TV wonder card working 4. Haven't got my 3DLabs VX1 video card working.

It is not SuSE's job to write drivers for all these (somewhat off-center) cards. If the drivers are available, go get them... if not, wait until someone writes a driver.

I agree it is not Suse's job to write these drivers and get thousands of cards working. The fact remains, however, that a bundling of kernel and drivers, no matter who releases it, does not work out of the box. If any of these "missing" drivers get bundled into a new release, then for someone in my situation, I will bug/install a new release every week if necessary till I have a stable and functional system. After all, a working Linux box is not the end goal but the means to what we really want to do with it. Babu __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com

Jon Pennington

12 Oct 12 Oct

20:59

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

--- babu walad wrote:

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The fact is, if things worked fine out of the box, I would absolutely not update except when a major new functionality or feature was added.

This is the way it should be.

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1. No drivers for AMI RAID. There is support for the chipset, but no drivers.

This strikes me a bit funny, but I have no experience with AMI. Are you saying that you can use the RAID card as a SCSI controller, but not run the hardware RAID parts? I've seen a lot of this before; VA Linux and Compaq each did a lot of work on this front; perhaps you should track down one of their people...what functionality are you looking for specifically?

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2. My OrangeMicro IEE1394, NEC chipset PCI card is unsupported.

Sounds more like a Linux problem than a SuSE problem to me, or are you just whining about the fact that it's not supported buy default SuSE kernels? I seem to remember that the OMC Firewire product was supported, but it's a very low-cost solution, IIRC, and should be avoided. Get a Ti chip. I didn't even know that NEC made PCI nics; an Intel 10/100 is about $30 Stateside, Linksys being about $15, and Realtek 89xx run under $9! I wouldn't even bother beating my head against this particular wall unless there's a *reason* to keep the NEC.

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3. Haven't got my ATI TV wonder card working

Which model? I have a bit of experience with v4l, and ATi cards are about the easiest in the world to set up (second to bt848 decendents).

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4. Haven't got my 3DLabs VX1 video card working.

You'll have to buy a commercial X server to do this, such as one from XiG, especially their OpenGL product. The VX1 isn't fantastic, but at least the XiG X server supports most of the features of the card.

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Why do I want to upgrade? Because I hope if I cannot get these drivers today they will in future releases be supported. Right now I am making slow progress and I have an unuseable linux box.

I'm very sorry to hear that. Sorry if I sound a bit harsh, I don't mean it personally. Lots of people complain about things they have no business complaining about, and it grates on my nerves a bit.

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We are getting there but are not quite there yet.

Indeed. Look at me; I've been doing this self-same sh!t for over six years (Linux, specifically).

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I still think Suse is a great product though.

I do too, which is why I recommend it to people just starting out. :) ===== -- -=|JP|=- Hit me! - http://www.xanga.com/cowboydren/ Jon Pennington | Debian 2.3 -o) cowboydren @ yahoo . com | Auto Enthusiast /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | ICQ UIN 69 67 29 31 _\_V __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com

babu walad

21 Oct 21 Oct

21:53

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

--- Jon Pennington wrote:

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--- babu walad wrote:

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The fact is, if things worked fine out of the box, I would absolutely not update except when a major new functionality or feature was added.

This is the way it should be.

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1. No drivers for AMI RAID. There is support for the chipset, but no drivers.

This strikes me a bit funny, but I have no experience with AMI. Are you saying that you can use the RAID card as a SCSI controller, but not run the hardware RAID parts? I've seen a lot of this before; VA Linux and Compaq each did a lot of work on this front; perhaps you should track down one of their people...what functionality are you looking for specifically?

Actually, after some digging I found both sources and object file for the megaraid driver. However, the 2.4.0 kernel does not want to recognize the device and a modprobe results in an error. Something about the right parameters may not be set for insmod... I've tried alias scsi-adaptor megaraid and alias ide-scsi megaraid in modules.conf but still no luck. It actualy comes back with an error saying it cannot find any 3WARE RAID cards!

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2. My OrangeMicro IEE1394, NEC chipset PCI card is unsupported.

Sounds more like a Linux problem than a SuSE problem to me, or are you just whining about the fact that it's not supported buy default SuSE kernels? I seem to remember that the OMC Firewire product was supported, but it's a very low-cost solution, IIRC, and should be avoided. Get a Ti chip. I didn't even know that NEC made PCI nics; an Intel 10/100 is about $30 Stateside, Linksys being about $15, and Realtek 89xx run under $9! I wouldn't even bother beating my head against this particular wall unless there's a *reason* to keep the NEC.

Well, the OrangMicro IEEE1394 PCI card has two Firewire and two USB ports on it. It's not $10 or $50 but about $150. Somehow, the USB ports are recognized but not the FireWire ones. They are OHCI compliant so they are supposed to be supported. I just keep trying to figure out the process if getting misc hardware recognized and supported by Linux. Still eludes me sometimes.

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3. Haven't got my ATI TV wonder card working

Which model? I have a bit of experience with v4l, and ATi cards are about the easiest in the world to set up (second to bt848 decendents).

I have the ATI TV Wonder PCI card. It uses a Philips TV Tuner chip, etc...

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4. Haven't got my 3DLabs VX1 video card working.

You'll have to buy a commercial X server to do this, such as one from XiG, especially their OpenGL product. The VX1 isn't fantastic, but at least the XiG X server supports most of the features of the card.

Looks like XiG is just about to release v2.0 of their server which will support this card... Babu __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com

Derek Fountain

12 Oct 12 Oct

07:42

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

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I think we should all do our part by buying the boxed version. However, having bought the boxed 7.1 release a few weeks before the 7.2 came out, I just cannot justify buying 4-5 boxes every year. I would hope Suse (and others) would at least allow some number of free upgrades (complete ones) before you were encouraged to buy another box.

Remember there's two markets they're after: upgrading and new sales. You can't expect people to walk into a store and buy a box that's nearly a year old. To ensure people new to Linux get the best product they have to keep putting out an up to date product. There seems to be a handful of people who *must* have the latest version, and that's fine. Only then some of them complain that they're upgrading too often, which is not fine. If you have upgrade-itus, and you don't like having the condition, at least recognise that it's *your* problem, not SuSE's!

Doug McGarrett

13 Oct 13 Oct

01:38

New subject: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3

At 08:42 10/12/2001 +0100, Derek Fountain wrote:

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I think we should all do our part by buying the boxed version. However, having bought the boxed 7.1 release a few weeks before the 7.2 came out, I just cannot justify buying 4-5 boxes every year. I would hope Suse (and others) would at least allow some number of free upgrades (complete ones) before you were encouraged to buy another box.

Remember there's two markets they're after: upgrading and new sales. You can't expect people to walk into a store and buy a box that's nearly a year old. To ensure people new to Linux get the best product they have to keep putting out an up to date product.

There seems to be a handful of people who *must* have the latest version, and that's fine. Only then some of them complain that they're upgrading too often, which is not fine. If you have upgrade-itus, and you don't like having the condition, at least recognise that it's *your* problem, not SuSE's!

I don't think it's "ugrade-itus,", it's that some of us would like a distro that runs without hiccups. We keep hoping against hope, that they have fixed the bugs and not introduced new ones. At least that's what _I_ hope! I would cheerfully pay twice the price for a distro that was absolutely fool-proof, even if it had one lower number on all the program files. I'm a little bit better than the average MS Windows user (I've been around since before CPM) but I'm not a programmer, even tho I've written a few in BASIC and Pascal, but I would really like to start doing useful work, not continuously futz with the OS. Particularly now that MS has come out with a particularly odious OS that will tie you to MS with a strong chain, at a very exorbitant cost. This is the time for Linux. Give us a system that just works! (If Linux worked right, I wouldn't be sending this from Win 98.) --doug .

Stephen Liu

03:27

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Hi All People, Where can have ISO Images of SuSE Linux 7.3 download ??? Thanks in advance. B.R. Stephen Liu

Martin Webster

20:47

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On Saturday 13 October 2001 3:27 am, Stephen Liu wrote:

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Where can have ISO Images of SuSE Linux 7.3 download ???

You can't. Either buy a boxed set, use FTP (when it's available) or download the ISO for SuSE 7.1 (ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/japanese-7.1/). Also, please read ftp.suse.com/pub/README.iso-images.english. M -- Martin Webster Registered Linux User #230322 http://homepage.ntlworld.com/spider-monkey/

Timothy R.Butler

20:58

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Where can have ISO Images of SuSE Linux 7.3 download ???

Unfortunately SuSE has decided to be the only major Linux distribution not to offer ISO's. :-( That's extremely annoying, but it's worth the annoyance to go get SuSE from the store or FTP (or to get an ISO copy from a friend [since that is perfectly legal]). -Tim -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks tbutler@uninetsolutions.com ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm Free/Open Source Web Tools: http://www.uninetsolutions.com Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com ============== "Christian Web Services Since 1996" ==============

James Ogley

15 Oct 15 Oct

09:27

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It's been said dozens of times before, so let's hope this is the last time... People should read the list archives before asking questions, the answer to the ISO question is: The boxed copy of SuSE contains demos, and even full versions, of commercial software than cannot be freely distributed. As this is the case, SuSE would be breaking the law and the licenses of these software packages if they made ISO images available by FTP. What they do do is that *in addition* to producing the excellent Professional and Personal Editions, the distro team produce an FTP Edition which contains the Professional Edition software minus the commercial software. This usually comes out shortly after the boxed copies are available for purchase, because it is (understandably) a slightly lower priority than the boxed editions. You can install the FTP edition over FTP from ftp.suse.com or a mirror (please please please use a mirror)

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Unfortunately SuSE has decided to be the only major Linux distribution not to offer ISO's. :-( That's extremely annoying, but it's worth the annoyance to go get SuSE from the store or FTP (or to get an ISO copy from a friend [since that is perfectly legal]). -- James Ogley, Unix Systems Administrator, Pinnacle Insurance Plc james.ogley@pinnacle.co.uk www.pinnacle.co.uk +44 (0) 20 8731 3619 Using Free Software since 1994\00\00\00\00nning GNU/Linux (SuSE 7.x) This email was created and sent with Ximian Evolution 0.15

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Jon Biddell

10:39

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What they do do is that *in addition* to producing the excellent Professional and Personal Editions, the distro team produce an FTP Edition which contains the Professional Edition software minus the commercial software. This usually comes out shortly after the boxed copies are available for purchase, because it is (understandably) a slightly lower priority than the boxed editions.

You can install the FTP edition over FTP from ftp.suse.com or a mirror (please please please use a mirror)

Then WHY can they not make this "FTP" release available as an ISO image for downloading, and give carte blanche for people to distribute it ? It would only be increasing their profile.. Jon

Brevsville

11:11

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Hmm ... Jon .... simple.. SuSE is a company. Companies need money to survive. If SuSE makes it too easy for people not to pay money. They go bust. Goodbye SuSe distro. Frankly I am so seriously sick of folks wanting everything for free. If you like it so much just pay for it. If you can't pay for it, then use something else. People have to get paid for the work they do or else they just won't do it any more. Do you work for free? I think not. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Biddell" To: "James Ogley" ; "SuSE List" Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Linux 7.3 download

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What they do do is that *in addition* to producing the excellent Professional and Personal Editions, the distro team produce an FTP Edition which contains the Professional Edition software minus the commercial software. This usually comes out shortly after the boxed copies are available for purchase, because it is (understandably) a slightly lower priority than the boxed editions.

You can install the FTP edition over FTP from ftp.suse.com or a mirror (please please please use a mirror)

Then WHY can they not make this "FTP" release available as an ISO image for downloading, and give carte blanche for people to distribute it ?

It would only be increasing their profile..

Jon

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Jon Biddell

11:54

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On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:11, Brevsville wrote:

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Hmm ... Jon .... simple..

SuSE is a company. Companies need money to survive. If SuSE makes it too easy for people not to pay money. They go bust. Goodbye SuSe distro.

Yes, this is understood - I will certainly buy every second release, dependant of course on features, but to raise the product's profile a 1 or 2 CD iso or freebie (with no proprietary software and no installatiuon support) could whet people's appetite. I know that's how I got started, and I've probably paid close to $1000 so far for software, books, etc. that I would not have otherwise spent, much of it going to SuSE.

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Frankly I am so seriously sick of folks wanting everything for free. If you like it so much just pay for it. If you can't pay for it, then use something else. People have to get paid for the work they do or else they just won't do it any more.

I totally agree, and I wasn't trying to say anything different...

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Do you work for free? I think not.

No, sometimes it just feels like it...:-)

James Ogley

12:26

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SuSE used to do this, it was called the SuSE Evaluation CD (before the days of the Live Eval) and you know what? People would d/l the ISO or pick up an Eval at a show or something and then would not buy the boxed set. They were perfectly within their rights to do so of course, but it was hurting SuSE badly.

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Yes, this is understood - I will certainly buy every second release, dependant of course on features, but to raise the product's profile a 1 or 2 CD iso or freebie (with no proprietary software and no installatiuon support) could whet people's appetite. I know that's how I got started, and I've probably paid close to $1000 so far for software, books, etc. that I would not have otherwise spent, much of it going to SuSE. -- James Ogley, Unix Systems Administrator, Pinnacle Insurance Plc james.ogley@pinnacle.co.uk www.pinnacle.co.uk +44 (0) 20 8731 3619 Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 7.x) This email was created and sent with Ximian Evolution 0.15

Jon Pennington

18:01

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--- James Ogley wrote:

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SuSE used to do this, it was called the SuSE Evaluation CD (before the days of the Live Eval) and you know what?

That's not entirely true. There was a time when both were offered, then they dropped the Live in favor of the Install, then the Live came back, now the Install is gone.

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People would d/l the ISO or pick up an Eval at a show or something and then would not buy the boxed set.

I downloaded the live as soon as it was available, used it to do the base install, FTP to install stuff that wasn't on it, then I'd go out, buy the box, and give it to a friend who didn't have fatpipe. :)

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They were perfectly within their rights to do so of course, but it was hurting SuSE badly.

Indeed. Too bad other people don't waste as much money as I used to on frivolous things like supporting a cause... ;) ===== -- -=|JP|=- Hit me! - http://www.xanga.com/cowboydren/ Jon Pennington | Debian 2.3 -o) cowboydren @ yahoo . com | Auto Enthusiast /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | ICQ UIN 69 67 29 31 _\_V __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com

Kevin Donnelly

20:30

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I have to say that I too am finding this discussion a bit tiresome. I have in fact spent more on Linux than I ever did on Windows, but the value of what I have got from open-source is incomparably greater. Those who want to support SuSE, and can afford to, should buy boxed sets regularly. Those who want to support SuSE, but have less ready cash, should try to buy a boxed set occasionally. I think we are all agreed on that. There is a cost attached to a good distro like SuSE, and someone has to pay it. No doubt I could do my own distro - in about 3 years time, if I work hard at it, I might have as good a one as SuSE. But I won't be able to do any work in the meantime. I would far rather have the guys at SuSE do their stuff (even if they get it wrong sometimes, which they do), and toss them the odd £40 now and again. Buying a round in a pub nowadays will cost you a quarter of that, and who gives a second thought to that? If, for theological, economic, or personal reasons, it is impossible for anyone to pay for a boxed set, then they can use the FTP edition (if they want the latest), or the older "remaindered" editions SuSE is giving away (if they want media and books). What they can't have is for SuSE to change its whole business plan to give them an A+ distro with all the trimmings for the cost of a 50p CD. I'm not flaming anyone, just stating what IMHO seems to cut a good balance between open-source and sound business. So could we please stop talking about 7.3? Buy it, or wait for the FTP download, or use 7.2. Kevin Donnelly -- 8:17pm up 5 days, 12:03, 1 user, load average: 1.88, 1.77, 1.49

Timothy R.Butler

19:42

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Hi Kevin,

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I have to say that I too am finding this discussion a bit tiresome. I have in fact spent more on Linux than I ever did on Windows, but the value of what I have got from open-source is incomparably greater.

I couldn't agree more.

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Those who want to support SuSE, and can afford to, should buy boxed sets regularly. Those who want to support SuSE, but have less ready cash, should try to buy a boxed set occasionally. I think we are all agreed on that.

I might not agree on the former point, but I agree on the latter. Everyone should buy boxed sets, at least occasionally. I think it's a little bit of overkill for anyone to buy three or four boxed sets a year though (at least for a SOHO install, on enterprise installs that makes sense)... then again if you feel like spending $280 a year on SuSE boxes, more power to you. ;-)

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There is a cost attached to a good distro like SuSE, and someone has to pay it. No doubt I could do my own distro - in about 3 years time, if I work hard at it, I might have as good a one as SuSE. But I won't be able to do any work in the meantime. I would far rather have the guys at SuSE do their stuff (even if they get it wrong sometimes, which they do), and toss them the odd ?40 now and again. Buying a round in a pub nowadays will cost you a quarter of that, and who gives a second thought to that?

I do, well I don't drink, so that's a moot point. <g>

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So could we please stop talking about 7.3? Buy it, or wait for the FTP download, or use 7.2.

Hey, 7.3 is the best thing to talk about 7.2 is getting old. :-p Seriously, I might note in all of my discussions on ISO's, previous or current, I still end up buying the box (I probably would often times anyway, 'cuz I really like the DVD). At least for me, I just ask two questions no one can seem to answer: 1.) How is it that SuSE is the only distro that can't afford to offer ISO's? 2.) By removing ISO's, did they gain customers, or simply lose the people that didn't buy the boxes anyway (and stop the people that *did* buy the boxes from getting a copy before they could buy the box). I would lean towards that latter scenario, in which case SuSE gains nothing and loses some things by removing ISO's. -Tim -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks tbutler@uninetsolutions.com ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm Free/Open Source Web Tools: http://www.uninetsolutions.com Christian Portal and Search Tool: http://www.faithtree.com ============== "Christian Web Services Since 1996" ==============

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