[opensuse] mirrors not carrying current versions
filed a bug under bugzilla #1159688 <https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1159688>, under networking, because I didn't see a section for mirrors. But I have a feeling that networking isn't the right place either. I'm assuming the right way to report a bug in the mirror system is to file a bug, but should there be a section called mirrors, or is networking the right section because the network mirrors are messed up? How can I download from 'download.opensuse.org' and not get shunted off to some random mirror that may or may not be up to day. One would certainly think a mirror could have downloaded a release from the 16th (this being the 20th).... Sadly, I don't see how this wouldn't affect the non-rolling release as well, but probably not as often as it doesn't update as often. Though it seems updates might be released as often as tumbleweed releases(?), so maybe it does affect it as often? Dunno. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
L A Walsh composed on 2019-12-20 14:49 (UTC-0800):
filed a bug under bugzilla #1159688 <https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1159688>, under networking, because I didn't see a section for mirrors. But I have a feeling that networking isn't the right place either.
Best on b.o.o. is component "Infrastructure" in product "openSUSE.org", however....
I'm assuming the right way to report a bug in the mirror system is to file a bug, but should there be a section called mirrors, or is networking the right section because the network mirrors are messed up?
I'm not sure which way is "THE right way", but IIRC all the following are better for reporting mirror bugs: mirror@opensuse.org https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-admin/issues/new admin@opensuse.org (which will generate a new issue at progress.o.o) Before reporting you should check if it's already been reported: https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-admin/issues https://status.opensuse.org/ irc://freenode/#opensuse-admin
How can I download from 'download.opensuse.org' and not get shunted off to some random mirror that may or may not be up to day. One would certainly think a mirror could have downloaded a release from the 16th (this being the 20th)....
Pick a mirror from those listed on https://mirrors.opensuse.org/ instead of letting mirrorbrain (d.o.o.) pick for you. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 21/12/2019 00.45, Felix Miata wrote:
L A Walsh composed on 2019-12-20 14:49 (UTC-0800):
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How can I download from 'download.opensuse.org' and not get shunted off to some random mirror that may or may not be up to day. One would certainly think a mirror could have downloaded a release from the 16th (this being the 20th)....
Pick a mirror from those listed on https://mirrors.opensuse.org/ instead of letting mirrorbrain (d.o.o.) pick for you.
I understand that YaST gets the list of packages directly from d.o.o, but then gets redirected to a mirror that is known to have that package; and repeated for every package. It is when you go to a mirror bypassing the brain that you do not know if the list is up to date. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2019/12/20 16:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I understand that YaST gets the list of packages directly from d.o.o, but then gets redirected to a mirror that is known to have that package; and repeated for every package.
It is when you go to a mirror bypassing the brain that you do not know if the list is up to date.
But I didn't bypass it -- I tried to download it from d.o.o, and brain gave me a different download URL. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 21/12/2019 01.52, L A Walsh wrote:
On 2019/12/20 16:13, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I understand that YaST gets the list of packages directly from d.o.o, but then gets redirected to a mirror that is known to have that package; and repeated for every package.
It is when you go to a mirror bypassing the brain that you do not know if the list is up to date.
But I didn't bypass it -- I tried to download it from d.o.o, and brain gave me a different download URL.
A different URL for one package. If that download fails, report to admin@o.o - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXf4S3gAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1dGwAJsF0/vKXsba6s0pdKCBnxaLaEqbbQCeIM9IYIuQtKx+cMaNv51b8pNdKFI= =DCul -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019/12/20 15:45, Felix Miata wrote:
How can I download from 'download.opensuse.org' and not get shunted off to some random mirror that may or may not be up to day. One would certainly think a mirror could have downloaded a release from the 16th (this being the 20th)....
Pick a mirror from those listed on https://mirrors.opensuse.org/ instead of letting mirrorbrain (d.o.o.) pick for you.
Can I pick 'download.opensuse.org'? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019/12/20 16:50, L A Walsh wrote:
On 2019/12/20 15:45, Felix Miata wrote:
How can I download from 'download.opensuse.org' and not get shunted off to some random mirror that may or may not be up to day. One would certainly think a mirror could have downloaded a release from the 16th (this being the 20th)....
Pick a mirror from those listed on https://mirrors.opensuse.org/ instead of letting mirrorbrain (d.o.o.) pick for you.
Can I pick 'download.opensuse.org'?
Actually, where do I pick the mirror? I tried clicking on mirrors.opensuse.org and got that my browser could not connect to that site. I tried the metabrain site, but it only had general info on metabrain. Everytime I click on a file, I get taken to 'sfo-korg.mirrors.kernel.org' which is normally a close and fast site, just that it's not getting updates. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
L A Walsh composed on 2019-12-20 16:50 (UTC-0800):
Can I pick 'download.opensuse.org'?
Based upon your experience so far today, I wouldn't. Try one of these: http://provo-mirror.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/ http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/opensuse/distribution/leap/ http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/leap/ When I have trouble, I usually try gwdg first even though it's across the big pond from FL where I am. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op zaterdag 21 december 2019 01:50:59 CET schreef L A Walsh:
On 2019/12/20 15:45, Felix Miata wrote:
How can I download from 'download.opensuse.org' and not get shunted off to some random mirror that may or may not be up to day. One would certainly think a mirror could have downloaded a release from the 16th (this being the 20th)....
Pick a mirror from those listed on https://mirrors.opensuse.org/ instead of letting mirrorbrain (d.o.o.) pick for you.
Can I pick 'download.opensuse.org'? Linda, to cut a long story short: Mirrors are there for distributing the transfers for people downloading, updating, upgrading etc. If a workaround for this would go public, everyone would try download.o.o with some options first. Result: download.o.o down.
We may need some faster mirroring though for TW. Sometimes it comepletely rebuilds ( i.e. full package upgrade, f.e. gcc major version upgrade ) , a new release gets distributed before some mirrors have synced the previous released TW repos. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019/12/20 17:32, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Linda, to cut a long story short: Mirrors are there for distributing the transfers for people downloading, updating, upgrading etc. If a workaround for this would go public, everyone would try download.o.o with some options first. Result: download.o.o down.
---- Usually the sites I d/l are fine and give me my max d/l speed -- not always the same for d.o.o. I certainly don't mind using a local mirror if one exists, but most importantly, is really a mirror and not 4+ days behind. Problem now, is I keep getting rerouted to what would normally be a very close, performant mirror, but now, I have no way of getting to "correct content" as I seem to have no choice in the mirror chosen, nor a way to work around it. d.o.o is effectively offline for anyone using a mirror less than or equal to the net-distance of kernel.org from anywhere. A four day lag time seems like alot for a distro like TW that updates as often as daily.
We may need some faster mirroring though for TW. Sometimes it comepletely rebuilds ( i.e. full package upgrade, f.e. gcc major version upgrade ) , a new release gets distributed before some mirrors have synced the previous released TW repos.
That's a big problem for anyone trying to pull down a coherent release considering the size. I haven't been able to pull down a coherent release since I switched to TW. Sometimes I've gotten remarks from some who when noticing the the noncoherence think it has something to do with changes I've made, but reality is that most of it now has to do with not being able to get a complete copy before another version is released. This supports one of my long time pet-peeves of having specific versions built into everything that they will work with and not a range or 'newer than or equal to Vx.y'. While many people come up with lots of edge cases where that system can fail. The reality I've run into is often ending up with different parts of the system that not only won't load or run, but more often -- that can't even be built from "open source[sic]" because the sources don't stay still long enough to download all of them and their deps. Certainly, its beginning to more and more seem like version requirements and differences are becoming more of a problem noticed by more people. Certainly -- with something like TW, might not cutting back to 1/week help resolve a problem? It's hard to get everything in TW working together if the versions of everything are interlocked. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
L A Walsh wrote:
On 2019/12/20 15:45, Felix Miata wrote:
How can I download from 'download.opensuse.org' and not get shunted off to some random mirror that may or may not be up to day. One would certainly think a mirror could have downloaded a release from the 16th (this being the 20th)....
Pick a mirror from those listed on https://mirrors.opensuse.org/ instead of letting mirrorbrain (d.o.o.) pick for you.
Can I pick 'download.opensuse.org'?
Certainly, but that is only a redirector. As Felix writes, have a look at mirrors.o.o and pick one of those. Btw, you are never "shunted off to some random mirror that may or may not be up today". Mirrors are virtually always up, and the selection is never random. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per, et al -- ...and then Per Jessen said... % % L A Walsh wrote: % % > On 2019/12/20 15:45, Felix Miata wrote: % >> % >>> off to some random mirror that may or may not be up to day. One ... % % Btw, you are never "shunted off to some random mirror that may or may % not be up today". Mirrors are virtually always up, and the selection % is never random. FWIW, I read that as a typo of "up to date", which does indeed appear to be a problem. HTH & HAND :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
David T-G wrote:
Per, et al --
...and then Per Jessen said... % % L A Walsh wrote: % % > On 2019/12/20 15:45, Felix Miata wrote: % >> % >>> off to some random mirror that may or may not be up to day. One ... % % Btw, you are never "shunted off to some random mirror that may or % may not be up today". Mirrors are virtually always up, and the % selection % is never random.
FWIW, I read that as a typo of "up to date", which does indeed appear to be a problem.
Good point, I didn't see that, sorry. Mirrors that are out of date _should_ be automatically disabled and not handed out. Looking at mirror.edge.kernel.org, at a rough glance Tumbleweed seems up-to-date. The latest packages are dated 16 December, which matches ours. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.0°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019/12/21 05:52, Per Jessen wrote:
Looking at mirror.edge.kernel.org, at a rough glance Tumbleweed seems up-to-date. The latest packages are dated 16 December, which matches ours.
When i filed the bug though, it was the 20th and latest files on the mirror were from the 14th. 6 days seemed a bit long. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 24/12/2019 06.43, L A Walsh wrote:
On 2019/12/21 05:52, Per Jessen wrote:
Looking at mirror.edge.kernel.org, at a rough glance Tumbleweed seems up-to-date. The latest packages are dated 16 December, which matches ours.
When i filed the bug though, it was the 20th and latest files on the mirror were from the 14th. 6 days seemed a bit long.
Notice the other answer: ]> Any mirror that is that far behind should have been automagically ]> disabled. For now, mirror.edge.kernel.org seems up-to-date though. ]> (at least the copy in Amsterdam), ]> Wrt mirrors.edge.kernel.org, they have at least four sites, but synchronize ]> only from two. I can only presume they have some internal synch to ]> complement that. They use DNS geolocation to hand out the best address. ]> If their internal sync is faulty and the optimal mirror for Linda is ]> not up-to-date, we cannot see it - we only see the mirror in Amsterdam. opensuse mirror system checks that mirror.edge.kernel.org on the copy they can look, which is Amsterdam. You are probably hitting another server that is not up to date. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Felix Miata wrote:
I'm not sure which way is "THE right way", but IIRC all the following are better for reporting mirror bugs:
mirror@opensuse.org https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-admin/issues/new admin@opensuse.org (which will generate a new issue at progress.o.o)
Yes, that is the best place - bugzilla is really not for the openSUSE infrastructure.
How can I download from 'download.opensuse.org' and not get shunted off to some random mirror that may or may not be up to day.
You cannot, it is not supported. The whole purpose of download.o.o is to do exactly that. Mirrors are not picked at random though, mirrorbrain will try to give you a list optimal for your location. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.8°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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