Hello SuSE folkz, Could somebody tell me please if there any GUI Development tool for Linux for building web pages using CSS? Thanks in advance Alex
On Thursday 31 July 2003 01:02, Alex Daniloff wrote:
Hello SuSE folkz, Could somebody tell me please if there any GUI Development tool for Linux for building web pages using CSS?
Bluefish and Quanta+ have CSS support. -- Scott Jones (scott at exti dot net)
Quanta on 7.3 is a text editor with superb highlighting better than programmers file editor. Is bluefish the WYSIWYG equivalent? CWSIV On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:34:55 -0500 Scott Jones <scott@exti.net> writes:
On Thursday 31 July 2003 01:02, Alex Daniloff wrote:
Hello SuSE folkz, Could somebody tell me please if there any GUI Development tool for Linux for building web pages using CSS?
Bluefish and Quanta+ have CSS support.
-- Scott Jones (scott at exti dot net)
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:57:59 PDT Carl William Spitzer IV <cwsiv@juno.com> wrote:
Quanta on 7.3 is a text editor with superb highlighting better than programmers file editor. Is bluefish the WYSIWYG equivalent?
Neither Quanta and Bluefish are WYSIWYG. However the next version of Quanta will be (very Dreamweaver like) once the integration of the Kafka part is finish. You can get a semi working version if you check out Quanta CVS. Charles -- "Never make any mistaeks." (Anonymous, in a mail discussion about to a kernel bug report.)
On Thursday 31 July 2003 22:58, Charles Philip Chan wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:57:59 PDT
Carl William Spitzer IV <cwsiv@juno.com> wrote:
Quanta on 7.3 is a text editor with superb highlighting better than programmers file editor. Is bluefish the WYSIWYG equivalent?
Neither Quanta and Bluefish are WYSIWYG.
<tongue align=cheek> Well, they're kinda WYSIWYG. WYSI raw HTML, WYG is a web page. </tongue> -- Scott Jones (scott at exti dot net)
Which means the current state requires having netscape 4.8 and quanta up and tabbing arround and checking with refresh your changes. If you want to get into websetting I suggest learning raw html4 coding and adding javascript and DHTML afterwards. If you have the big bucks go for O'Reilly books otherwise try the local discount chain for books published 1999 or later. No since in starting out with the latest most expensive books which assume you already read the older ones. Start signing up for email lists from those sites hosting free scripts. Not everything which works in both NS4 and IE4 will work in Konquerer. Also beware of scripts which require NS6+ or are IE5.x only. they will limit your sites audience. Interesting 8.0 had NS6 but NS4.8 is part of 8.2. I hope NS has the courage to open source the 4.8 and let us grow the browser for them. CWSIV On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:12:57 -0500 Scott Jones <scott@exti.net> writes:
On Thursday 31 July 2003 22:58, Charles Philip Chan wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:57:59 PDT
Quanta on 7.3 is a text editor with superb highlighting better
Carl William Spitzer IV <cwsiv@juno.com> wrote: than
programmers file editor. Is bluefish the WYSIWYG equivalent?
Neither Quanta and Bluefish are WYSIWYG.
<tongue align=cheek> Well, they're kinda WYSIWYG. WYSI raw HTML, WYG is a web page. </tongue>
-- Scott Jones (scott at exti dot net)
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On Friday 01 August 2003 10:31, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote: (BTW, no need to CC: me, I read the list)
Which means the current state requires having netscape 4.8 and quanta up and tabbing arround and checking with refresh your changes. If
Quanta has an internal preview mode (uses KHTML). You can also set it up to preview with the browser of your choice, but yes, that means a bit of ALT-TAB'ing.
you want to get into websetting I suggest learning raw html4 coding
<snip> Preaching to the choir, here. I work for/with a web design company, though I'm not a web monkey.
Start signing up for email lists from those sites hosting free scripts. Not everything which works in both NS4 and IE4 will work in Konquerer. Also beware of scripts which require NS6+ or are IE5.x only. they will limit your sites audience. Interesting 8.0 had NS6 but NS4.8 is part of 8.2.
Neither NS 4.x nor IE4 are standards-compliant. IMO, we should not be coding to the least common denominator, but to *standards*. I don't use Konqueror, preferring Mozilla Firebird. I test check sites through the W3C validator, Mozilla and IE6.
I hope NS has the courage to open source the 4.8 and let us grow the browser for them.
Aside from the fact that NS is, for all intents and purposes, no more, what they need to do with 4.x is drive a stake through it's heart, cut off it's head and bury it at the crossroads at midnight. -- Scott Jones (scott at exti dot net)
Scott Jones wrote, On 08/03/2003 03:31 AM:
Aside from the fact that NS is, for all intents and purposes, no more, what they need to do with 4.x is drive a stake through it's heart, cut off it's head and bury it at the crossroads at midnight.
Though I would agree NS 4.x is dead, I wouldn't say NS is no more. I use NS 7.1, and it is quite nice, based on Mozilla 1.4. (It is even gcc 3.2 compiled from Netscape, nice for my 8.2.) It also has an html editor (Composer), though I also like and use Quanta. I would also agree, though, that the code should be standards based, and that is one main reason I use Quanta, as it seems better at this than Composer. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Web Address: http://www.mydestiny.net/~joe_morris Registered Linux user 231871 God said, I AM that I AM. I say, by the grace of God, I am what I am.
On Saturday 02 August 2003 18:38, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
Scott Jones wrote, On 08/03/2003 03:31 AM:
Aside from the fact that NS is, for all intents and purposes, no more, what they need to do with 4.x is drive a stake through it's heart, cut off it's head and bury it at the crossroads at midnight.
Though I would agree NS 4.x is dead, I wouldn't say NS is no more. I
Aside from AOL having cut the entire browser dev team, but yeah, it's only a flesh wound.
use NS 7.1, and it is quite nice, based on Mozilla 1.4. (It is even gcc 3.2 compiled from Netscape, nice for my 8.2.) It also has an
I've done a couple of NS 7.x installs for clients. Aside from a problem with the mail component under Win2K, and the AOL-added stuff, it seemed okay.
html editor (Composer), though I also like and use Quanta. I would also agree, though, that the code should be standards based, and that is one main reason I use Quanta, as it seems better at this than Composer.
I haven't used Composer since version 4.6 for OS/2, so I really have no opinion on it's current state. I use Quanta for anything other than quick edits/fixes (where I use gvim), and am hoping that the WYSIWYG mode turns out to be decent when that release comes out. -- Scott Jones (scott at exti dot net)
just curious...how do these gui development tools compare with dreamweaver? I've seen and used it....it is VERY nice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl William Spitzer IV" <cwsiv@juno.com> To: <scott@exti.net> Cc: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] CSS GUI Development tool in Linux?
Which means the current state requires having netscape 4.8 and quanta up and tabbing arround and checking with refresh your changes. If you want to get into websetting I suggest learning raw html4 coding and adding javascript and DHTML afterwards. If you have the big bucks go for O'Reilly books otherwise try the local discount chain for books published 1999 or later. No since in starting out with the latest most expensive books which assume you already read the older ones.
Start signing up for email lists from those sites hosting free scripts. Not everything which works in both NS4 and IE4 will work in Konquerer. Also beware of scripts which require NS6+ or are IE5.x only. they will limit your sites audience. Interesting 8.0 had NS6 but NS4.8 is part of 8.2.
I hope NS has the courage to open source the 4.8 and let us grow the browser for them.
CWSIV
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:12:57 -0500 Scott Jones <scott@exti.net> writes:
On Thursday 31 July 2003 22:58, Charles Philip Chan wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:57:59 PDT
Quanta on 7.3 is a text editor with superb highlighting better
Carl William Spitzer IV <cwsiv@juno.com> wrote: than
programmers file editor. Is bluefish the WYSIWYG equivalent?
Neither Quanta and Bluefish are WYSIWYG.
<tongue align=cheek> Well, they're kinda WYSIWYG. WYSI raw HTML, WYG is a web page. </tongue>
-- Scott Jones (scott at exti dot net)
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On Saturday 02 August 2003 21:07, pheonix1t wrote: (Formatting fixed)
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:12:57 -0500 Scott Jones <scott@exti.net> writes:
On Thursday 31 July 2003 22:58, Charles Philip Chan wrote:
Neither Quanta and Bluefish are WYSIWYG.
<tongue align=cheek> Well, they're kinda WYSIWYG. WYSI raw HTML, WYG is a web page. </tongue>
just curious...how do these gui development tools compare with dreamweaver? I've seen and used it....it is VERY nice
Quite honestly, I don't know. As I said, I'm not a designer, so I don't use Dreamweaver (our designers use it). If I need to touch any code, I use gvim with the scp plugin. -- Scott Jones (scott at exti dot net)
just curious...how do these gui development tools compare with dreamweaver? I've seen and used it....it is VERY nice
----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl William Spitzer IV" <cwsiv@juno.com> To: <scott@exti.net> Cc: <suse-linux-e@suse.com> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] CSS GUI Development tool in Linux?
Which means the current state requires having netscape 4.8 and quanta up and tabbing arround and checking with refresh your changes. If you want to get into websetting I suggest learning raw html4 coding and adding javascript and DHTML afterwards. If you have the big bucks go for O'Reilly books otherwise try the local discount chain for books
1999 or later. No since in starting out with the latest most expensive books which assume you already read the older ones.
Start signing up for email lists from those sites hosting free
I have been trying Quanta. Its nice enough with its own display with <F6>. I think its better than the Win311 tools. I have not tried Dreamweaver and I hesitate to use any of the more "friendly" windows programs some of them install security holes. I beleive thats called bring coals to new castle. I note that much of the free JS scripts do not work in konquerer in 7.3 so if your doing developement I suggest Mozilla, and NS. Most of what will work there will work in IE. Though I am considering a joke page for the detection of IE which will direct the viewer to the NS ftp site and switch about ten seconds later. CWSIV On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:07:09 -0500 "pheonix1t" <pheonix1t@houston.rr.com> writes: published scripts.
Not everything which works in both NS4 and IE4 will work in Konquerer.
Also beware of scripts which require NS6+ or are IE5.x only. they will limit your sites audience. Interesting 8.0 had NS6 but NS4.8 is part of 8.2.
I hope NS has the courage to open source the 4.8 and let us grow the browser for them.
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