[opensuse] openSUSE on ASUS ZenBook Pro?
Hi All, I've searched for information about installing and running Linux on this laptop and had somewhat limited success. Make & Model: ASUS UX501VW-DS71T Screen: 15.6" IPS 4K UHD (3840 x 2160) 10 point touch CPU: 2.6 GHz Core i7 6700HQ Graphics Card: nVidia GTX 960M 2G Memory: 16 GB GDDR5 SDRAM SSD: 512GB PCIe 4 Samsung SM951 M.2 (#MZVPV512 w/ NVMe) I/O: Bluetooth 4 & Gigabit Dual-Band 802.11AC Wi-Fi 1 x Thunderbolt III: --> USB 3.1 Type-C, DisplayPort / HDMI / DVI / VGA 1 x USB 3.0 w/ "Charger+" 1 x USB 3.0 1 x HDMI 1 x SD card reader (SDXC) 1 x combo audio I found one thread saying that Mint 17.3 installs and behaves nicely. Does anyone here have any experience with this or a comparable / related ASUS system running openSUSE? TIA & regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Carl Hartung <opensuse@cehartung.com> [02-14-16 10:37]:
Hi All,
I've searched for information about installing and running Linux on this laptop and had somewhat limited success.
Make & Model: ASUS UX501VW-DS71T Screen: 15.6" IPS 4K UHD (3840 x 2160) 10 point touch CPU: 2.6 GHz Core i7 6700HQ Graphics Card: nVidia GTX 960M 2G Memory: 16 GB GDDR5 SDRAM SSD: 512GB PCIe 4 Samsung SM951 M.2 (#MZVPV512 w/ NVMe) I/O: Bluetooth 4 & Gigabit Dual-Band 802.11AC Wi-Fi 1 x Thunderbolt III: --> USB 3.1 Type-C, DisplayPort / HDMI / DVI / VGA 1 x USB 3.0 w/ "Charger+" 1 x USB 3.0 1 x HDMI 1 x SD card reader (SDXC) 1 x combo audio
I found one thread saying that Mint 17.3 installs and behaves nicely. Does anyone here have any experience with this or a comparable / related ASUS system running openSUSE?
ASUS has historically been negative toward linux, but. I suggest dl a live cd/dvd and make a bootable usb stick to try it. It will appear or act as an additiona hard drive give you a slower experience similar to being installed on the laptop's hard drive. This is what I did before buying my last several laptops and desktops. Not completely fail-proof but good indicator. You could even use a portable usb/sata hard drive. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 14/02/2016 16:59, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :
ASUS has historically been negative toward linux, but. I suggest dl a live cd/dvd and make a bootable usb stick to try it. It will appear or act as an additiona hard drive give you a slower experience similar to being installed on the laptop's hard drive.
This is what I did before buying my last several laptops and desktops. Not completely fail-proof but good indicator. You could even use a portable usb/sata hard drive.
yes, good avice. That said I never had problem with asus. My asus is simply much less powerful the the OP one, but runs 13.2, Leap... without problem jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:59:46 -0500 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
ASUS has historically been negative toward linux, but. I suggest dl a live cd/dvd and make a bootable usb stick to try it. It will appear or act as an additiona hard drive give you a slower experience similar to being installed on the laptop's hard drive.
This is what I did before buying my last several laptops and desktops. Not completely fail-proof but good indicator. You could even use a portable usb/sata hard drive.
Thanks for the suggestion, Patrick. That's a good first step. I've been pretty lucky since my current ASUS laptop has mostly 'just worked' for the past seven years. Would you go with LEAP or 13.2? My current system is 13.2 and everything 'just works.' I'm kind of hoping the new system will be just as cooperative. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Carl Hartung <opensuse@cehartung.com> [02-14-16 11:30]:
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:59:46 -0500 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
ASUS has historically been negative toward linux, but. I suggest dl a live cd/dvd and make a bootable usb stick to try it. It will appear or act as an additiona hard drive give you a slower experience similar to being installed on the laptop's hard drive.
This is what I did before buying my last several laptops and desktops. Not completely fail-proof but good indicator. You could even use a portable usb/sata hard drive.
Thanks for the suggestion, Patrick. That's a good first step. I've been pretty lucky since my current ASUS laptop has mostly 'just worked' for the past seven years. Would you go with LEAP or 13.2? My current system is 13.2 and everything 'just works.' I'm kind of hoping the new system will be just as cooperative.
Afraid I am not really qualified to make an opinion re 13.2 vs LEAP, I have a 13.1 server and 5 Tw box instances, and atm no vm's. But, I am really happy with Tw and had very very few problems. But I am dilient with watching updates for conflicts. 2 toshiba laps (Tw) 2 dell laps (Tw) 1 acer lap (Tw) 1 hp server (13.1) 1 home-build desktop (Tw) (nvidia gts-450) (i7 6-core w/32g) 1 acer lap w/win10 (wife) 1 toshiba lap w/vista (wife) server has been up 210+ days cannot remember last crash on desktop gud luk, -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op zondag 14 februari 2016 10:59:46 CET schreef Patrick Shanahan:
ASUS has historically been negative toward linux, but. I suggest dl a live cd/dvd and make a bootable usb stick to try it. It will appear or act as an additiona hard drive give you a slower experience similar to being installed on the laptop's hard drive.
Completely different experiences here re. ASUS. No "no liinux for us" replies from them anyway. I was surprised the first time, but mamy resellers don't bother you booting from USB in their shop IME, just to check whether it will work with openSUSE. -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/14/2016 08:39 AM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
I was surprised the first time, but mamy resellers don't bother you booting from USB in their shop IME, just to check whether it will work with openSUSE.
Sure! Someone comes in to a store and boots a display laptop from their own USB stick. What could possibly go wrong! :-) I've seen retailers allow this too, and it serves as proof that you should never trust the software on a just-purchased computer. Especially when that software is Windoze. Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/14/2016 11:54 AM, Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Sure! Someone comes in to a store and boots a display laptop from their own USB stick. What could possibly go wrong!
I did that back in 2011, when I bought my ThinkPad E520, except I used a Live CD. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/14/2016 11:39 AM, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
Op zondag 14 februari 2016 10:59:46 CET schreef Patrick Shanahan:
ASUS has historically been negative toward linux, but. I suggest dl a live cd/dvd and make a bootable usb stick to try it. It will appear or act as an additiona hard drive give you a slower experience similar to being installed on the laptop's hard drive. Completely different experiences here re. ASUS. No "no liinux for us" replies from them anyway.
I was surprised the first time, but mamy resellers don't bother you booting from USB in their shop IME, just to check whether it will work with openSUSE.
When I was shopping for my ThinkPad, I booted from a Live CD to make sure it worked. No problem from store staff at all. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/02/16 15:36, Carl Hartung wrote:
Hi All,
I've searched for information about installing and running Linux on this laptop and had somewhat limited success.
Make & Model: ASUS UX501VW-DS71T Screen: 15.6" IPS 4K UHD (3840 x 2160) 10 point touch CPU: 2.6 GHz Core i7 6700HQ Graphics Card: nVidia GTX 960M 2G Memory: 16 GB GDDR5 SDRAM SSD: 512GB PCIe 4 Samsung SM951 M.2 (#MZVPV512 w/ NVMe) I/O: Bluetooth 4 & Gigabit Dual-Band 802.11AC Wi-Fi 1 x Thunderbolt III: --> USB 3.1 Type-C, DisplayPort / HDMI / DVI / VGA 1 x USB 3.0 w/ "Charger+" 1 x USB 3.0 1 x HDMI 1 x SD card reader (SDXC) 1 x combo audio
I found one thread saying that Mint 17.3 installs and behaves nicely. Does anyone here have any experience with this or a comparable / related ASUS system running openSUSE?
TIA & regards,
Carl
Not the same model, but a few months ago I bought an ASUS Zenbook UX305 for my wife. She wanted it to be dual boot, so I shrank the Win10 partition (from within Windows) and installed openSUSE Leap 42.1 alongside. No problems, nice little machine, works well. And the Win10 installation hasn't been touched since! ;-) Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 4.1.15-8-default Distro: openSUSE 42.1 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.14.16
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 16:19:59 +0000 Bob Williams wrote:
Not the same model, but a few months ago I bought an ASUS Zenbook UX305 for my wife. She wanted it to be dual boot, so I shrank the Win10 partition (from within Windows) and installed openSUSE Leap 42.1 alongside. No problems, nice little machine, works well. And the Win10 installation hasn't been touched since! ;-)
Bob
Thanks Bob! :-) Did you have to jump through any UEFI hurdles? The last new system I tried this on absolutely refused to reveal it's Windows system partition(s) when booting to CD/DVD/USB in 'legacy' mode. When set to 'secure boot' mode, you could not access the CD/DVD/USB drive (not an ASUS system, btw.) Thanks again & regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Po 15. února 2016 16:33:14, Carl Hartung napsal(a):
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 16:19:59 +0000 Bob Williams wrote:
Not the same model, but a few months ago I bought an ASUS Zenbook UX305 for my wife. She wanted it to be dual boot, so I shrank the Win10 partition (from within Windows) and installed openSUSE Leap 42.1 alongside. No problems, nice little machine, works well. And the Win10 installation hasn't been touched since! ;-)
Did you have to jump through any UEFI hurdles? The last new system I tried this on absolutely refused to reveal it's Windows system partition(s) when booting to CD/DVD/USB in 'legacy' mode. When set to 'secure boot' mode, you could not access the CD/DVD/USB drive (not an ASUS system, btw.)
As far as I know, Windows > 8 requires UEFI - legacy mode is an option for Windows 7. Otherwise it depends on implementation of UEFI by particular manufacturer... :-/ -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/ https://trapa.cz/
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:46:16 +0100 Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
As far as I know, Windows > 8 requires UEFI - legacy mode is an option for Windows 7. Otherwise it depends on implementation of UEFI by particular manufacturer... :-/
As I suspected ... thanks, Vojtěch! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Po 15. února 2016 16:57:05, Carl Hartung napsal(a):
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:46:16 +0100 Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
As far as I know, Windows > 8 requires UEFI - legacy mode is an option for Windows 7. Otherwise it depends on implementation of UEFI by particular manufacturer... :-/
As I suspected ... thanks, Vojtěch!
Just a note for completeness: if You have default Windows installation and then change UEFI to legacy, the partition won't be bootable/accessible. But similar will be truth for Linux - GRUB won't be able to boot after such change. -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/ https://trapa.cz/
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/15/2016 09:17 AM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne Po 15. února 2016 16:57:05, Carl Hartung napsal(a):
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:46:16 +0100 Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
As far as I know, Windows > 8 requires UEFI - legacy mode is an option for Windows 7. Otherwise it depends on implementation of UEFI by particular manufacturer... :-/
As I suspected ... thanks, Vojtěch!
Just a note for completeness: if You have default Windows installation and then change UEFI to legacy, the partition won't be bootable/accessible. But similar will be truth for Linux - GRUB won't be able to boot after such change.
What about if you change to Legacy (which I suppose means turn UEFI off) before you install Linux? And if you are able to install with UEFI turned off, would you recommend that? It seems to me that UEFI solves mostly imaginary problems, and is as likely to be just another attack vector as any solution to any real problem. - -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlbCCXoACgkQv7M3G5+2DLKtJgCgmXxfprvCEwduzw2rEzIVzdif 8ToAniZfZHfF7UES7YDYZe3OvWGjpIRH =8kJQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Po 15. února 2016 09:23:06, John Andersen napsal(a):
On 02/15/2016 09:17 AM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne Po 15. února 2016 16:57:05, Carl Hartung napsal(a):
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:46:16 +0100 Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
As far as I know, Windows > 8 requires UEFI - legacy mode is an option for Windows 7. Otherwise it depends on implementation of UEFI by particular manufacturer... :-/>> As I suspected ... thanks, Vojtěch!
Just a note for completeness: if You have default Windows installation and then change UEFI to legacy, the partition won't be bootable/accessible. But similar will be truth for Linux - GRUB won't be able to boot after such change.
What about if you change to Legacy (which I suppose means turn UEFI off) before you install Linux?
Yes, legacy is no UEFI. Then install Linux as usually... The point is UEFI requires extra UEFI partition, so if You install without UEFI and then turn it on, UEFI/GRUB will miss that partition. When turning it off after installation, GRUB (or Windows bootloader) would be confused and not work either.
And if you are able to install with UEFI turned off, would you recommend that?
From my personal experience not at all. Current BIOS seem to be so cripple that without UEFI there are not all functions available (some were noted in the thread). Also, UEFI works with GPT, legacy with MBR. I think those are the only working combinations. Sometimes it is important...
It seems to me that UEFI solves mostly imaginary problems, and is as likely to be just another attack vector as any solution to any real problem.
Well, GPT is good, but otherwise I don't see really much advance in it... -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/ https://trapa.cz/
On 2016-02-15 18:34, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne Po 15. února 2016 09:23:06, John Andersen napsal(a):
What about if you change to Legacy (which I suppose means turn UEFI off) before you install Linux?
Yes, legacy is no UEFI. Then install Linux as usually...
Not quite... it is UEFI emulating, partially, BIOS. Depending on the implementation, UEFI hooks are still there. Windows, if installed, will have access to those hooks and modify things to its liking, possibly creating havoc. I have seen this happen recently. Bricked laptop. A month fighting to recover it.
It seems to me that UEFI solves mostly imaginary problems, and is as likely to be just another attack vector as any solution to any real problem.
Well, GPT is good, but otherwise I don't see really much advance in it...
One idea behind it is providing hooks to the operating system to access it. You manipulate what you have to manipulate from inside Windows with the normal icons, menus, dialogs, whatever. They want to hide the "bios screen" or make it inaccessible. Make computer "easier". And closed appliances... you can guess what it may means to Linux and others. Someone may have to think about creating Linux apps to access whatever can be accessed on UEFI. Dunno. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Le 15/02/2016 18:23, John Andersen a écrit :
It seems to me that UEFI solves mostly imaginary problems, and is as likely to be just another attack vector as any solution to any real problem.
uefi is now the standard, better learn it, and usually openSUSE installs without problem on secureboot. But don't forget uefi is the new name for bios, so in uefi you probably have an option to choose the boot order. My laptop is asus, never had problem jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-02-15 18:23, John Andersen wrote:
What about if you change to Legacy (which I suppose means turn UEFI off) before you install Linux?
And if you are able to install with UEFI turned off, would you recommend that?
As long as you can install all the operating systems you wish in the same manner, fine. Say you have A installed in "uefi mode" and B in "bios mode". Prior to boot A or B you have to change the "bios/uefi" config to the appropriate mode, the other will not boot. And this may be quite problematic, I will not enter there. If your machine is UEFI, try to install *everything* in UEFI mode.
It seems to me that UEFI solves mostly imaginary problems, and is as likely to be just another attack vector as any solution to any real problem.
No, not true. With BIOS you are limited to boot traditional disks with 4 primary partitions only, and remember that typically manufacturers tend to supply laptops with those 4 already used, so that installing Linux becomes quite complicated. BIOS is a design of thirty years ago. It needs a replacement, like it or not. With UEFI you can boot GPT disks, which have unlimited (primary) partitions, and can boot natively unlimited operating systems. Do not confuse with "secure boot". Do not confuse either with the awful closed implementations of several manufacturers. For instance, I have seen recently a Toshiba laptop with Windows, that does not provide any manner to reach the UEFI configuration screen from boot. You have to wait till Windows boots, then click in the appropriate hidden entry to access it. If Windows does not boot, the machine is bricked, requiring imaging the disk in another computer to recover. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 02/15/2016 12:17 PM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Just a note for completeness: if You have default Windows installation and then change UEFI to legacy, the partition won't be bootable/accessible. But similar will be truth for Linux - GRUB won't be able to boot after such change.
Some computers, such as my ThinkPad E520 can be configured to support both or either. I'll have to see what happens when I upgrade(?) my W7 partition to W10. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/15/2016 11:23 AM, James Knott wrote:
I'll have to see what happens when I upgrade(?) my W7 partition to W10.
Don't do it. Just don't. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 15/02/2016 20:33, John Andersen a écrit :
On 02/15/2016 11:23 AM, James Knott wrote:
I'll have to see what happens when I upgrade(?) my W7 partition to W10.
Don't do it. Just don't.
I support also this. As long as possible keep W7, it's the only acceptable win. I feel like I have to try windows, because my family want's it (on they computer), and because I also make demos of free software under Windows. I feel W7 acceptable, W8 unacceptable, W8.1 naughty and w10 unpleasant. Specially when one use it only from time to time (I guess the case of most people using W here :-), count for 30 minutes updates before switching off then 30 minutes again at the next start. Horrible jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-02-15 20:40, jdd wrote:
Le 15/02/2016 20:33, John Andersen a écrit :
On 02/15/2016 11:23 AM, James Knott wrote:
I'll have to see what happens when I upgrade(?) my W7 partition to W10.
Don't do it. Just don't.
I support also this. As long as possible keep W7, it's the only acceptable win.
It is not an option... you have to disable all updates, or keep fighting the system that wants to upgrade itself. I have done it, and I find W10 good. I don't notice much difference with W7. Of course, if you value privacy, you have to be careful with certain settings.
I feel W7 acceptable, W8 unacceptable, W8.1 naughty and w10 unpleasant. Specially when one use it only from time to time (I guess the case of most people using W here :-), count for 30 minutes updates before switching off then 30 minutes again at the next start. Horrible
Yes, updates are a nuisance, not optional on home versions. Specially if you boot it once a month. But it was also a nuisance on W7, took the day. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 02/15/2016 12:17 PM, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Just a note for completeness: if You have default Windows installation and then change UEFI to legacy
If you're installing Windows, you have to change UEFI to lunacy. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:17:38 +0100 Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Just a note for completeness: if You have default Windows installation and then change UEFI to legacy, the partition won't be bootable/accessible. But similar will be truth for Linux - GRUB won't be able to boot after such change.
I had to re-read this a couple of times :-) Yes, this intuitively makes sense. However, it presumes that can boot from CD/DVD/USB in UEFI ('secure boot') mode. The uncooperative system that I referenced earlier wouldn't reveal a CD/DVD/USB boot option /until/ it was set to boot in legacy mode, and, once booted in that mode, none of the 'secure boot' mode partitions were visible or accessible. It was an Acer Aspire E-15 with Windows 8.1 64-bit pre-installed. The only instructions I was able to find said: "Please enter the BIOS (press and hold F2 key when power on). Switch to 'Boot' and set 'Launch CSM' to 'Enabled.' Then switch to 'Security' and set 'Secure Boot Control' to 'Disabled.' Press F10 to save and exit. Press and hold ESC key to launch boot menu when notebook restart." I never found a way to boot the system from CD/DVD/USB in UEFI ('secure boot') mode. Thanks again, Vojtěch! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 16/02/2016 12:31, Carl Hartung a écrit :
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:17:38 +0100 Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Just a note for completeness: if You have default Windows installation and then change UEFI to legacy, the partition won't be bootable/accessible. But similar will be truth for Linux - GRUB won't be able to boot after such change.
I had to re-read this a couple of times :-)
a system boot only with the setup used when it was installed
Yes, this intuitively makes sense. However, it presumes that can boot from CD/DVD/USB in UEFI ('secure boot') mode.
of course, if you set the correct boot order in the firmware
The uncooperative system that I referenced earlier wouldn't reveal a CD/DVD/USB boot option
should be in the disk boot order - real place varies with firmware. I read than some can only be changed from within windows, but I didn't experiment this myself. I've seen a case of a 64 processor but 32 bits bios an windows that prevented boot on 64 bits medium
I never found a way to boot the system from CD/DVD/USB in UEFI ('secure boot') mode.
pretty surprising. Did you try to change the setup inside windows? may something like this (not tested) https://askleo.com/how_do_i_boot_from_cddvdusb_in_windows_8/ jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:52:19 +0100 jdd jdd wrote: 8< trimmed >8
should be in the disk boot order - real place varies with firmware. I read than some can only be changed from within windows, but I didn't experiment this myself.
I've seen a case of a 64 processor but 32 bits bios an windows that prevented boot on 64 bits medium
I never found a way to boot the system from CD/DVD/USB in UEFI ('secure boot') mode.
pretty surprising. Did you try to change the setup inside windows?
may something like this (not tested)
https://askleo.com/how_do_i_boot_from_cddvdusb_in_windows_8/
jdd
Hi jdd and thanks! Please see my reply to Bob in this thread from a few minutes ago. regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Út 16. února 2016 11:31:25, Carl Hartung napsal(a):
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:17:38 +0100 Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Just a note for completeness: if You have default Windows installation and then change UEFI to legacy, the partition won't be bootable/accessible. But similar will be truth for Linux - GRUB won't be able to boot after such change.
I had to re-read this a couple of times :-)
Sorry :-)
Yes, this intuitively makes sense. However, it presumes that can boot from CD/DVD/USB in UEFI ('secure boot') mode.
Yes, but install/live CD/DVD must support UEFI/secure boot. No problems so far for me with openSUSE.
The uncooperative system that I referenced earlier wouldn't reveal a CD/DVD/USB boot option /until/ it was set to boot in legacy mode, and, once booted in that mode, none of the 'secure boot' mode partitions were visible or accessible. It was an Acer Aspire E-15 with Windows 8.1 64-bit pre-installed. The only instructions I was able to find said:
Legacy works with MBR, UEFI with GPT. If GPT-labeled and partitioned disk is missing MBR table for compatibility, then I'd suppose GPT table will be inaccessible after switching to legacy. Although partitioning tools like YaST, GParted and so on should see correct disk layout and tools like testdisk could (should?) be able to fix that. It is my theory supported by observations, someone more informed would give You clearer explanation.
"Please enter the BIOS (press and hold F2 key when power on). Switch to 'Boot' and set 'Launch CSM' to 'Enabled.' Then switch to 'Security' and set 'Secure Boot Control' to 'Disabled.' Press F10 to save and exit. Press and hold ESC key to launch boot menu when notebook restart."
As far as I understand it, secure boot is checking for signature keys (if compatible key as on the device is in secure boot database) if it allows to boot from another device. So if CD/DVD is signed by another key, then it would be correct behavior. I don't see any advantage in secure boot in Linux-only world (I don't really see the security addition), so I use to turn it off (if not doing dual boot with W8 and higher for someone). With UEFI, there should be no problem (apart from setting some meaningful boot order). If yes, the implementation is... ehm... not very good. ;-)
I never found a way to boot the system from CD/DVD/USB in UEFI ('secure boot') mode.
Thanks again, Vojtěch!
Welcome -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/ https://trapa.cz/
On 15/02/16 16:33, Carl Hartung wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 16:19:59 +0000 Bob Williams wrote:
Not the same model, but a few months ago I bought an ASUS Zenbook UX305 for my wife. She wanted it to be dual boot, so I shrank the Win10 partition (from within Windows) and installed openSUSE Leap 42.1 alongside. No problems, nice little machine, works well. And the Win10 installation hasn't been touched since! ;-)
Bob
Thanks Bob! :-)
Did you have to jump through any UEFI hurdles? The last new system I tried this on absolutely refused to reveal it's Windows system partition(s) when booting to CD/DVD/USB in 'legacy' mode. When set to 'secure boot' mode, you could not access the CD/DVD/USB drive (not an ASUS system, btw.)
Thanks again & regards,
Carl
Hi Carl, I'm sorry, I can't remember the details. This was my first and last UEFI installation. The machine I'm typing this on is an 8 year old spinning rust machine that's still going strong. I do remember being pleasantly surprised at how easy it was. I posted here at the time, and what I said then was: "Windows 10 hides the relevant settings (security by obscurity), but searching for 'partition' got me to the partitioning tool where I was able to shrink the Windows partition. "Similarly, searching on 'uefi' got me to a wizard where I chose the option to access a USB stick. I plugged in my openSUSE 13.2 stick, and clicked the icon, whereupon the machine rebooted into the openSUSE installer, which recognised the efi option. Installation was smooth and fast." If you want to use the whole hard drive for openSUSE, I would guess that getting Windows to enable uefi, then get the YaST installer to repartition, might work, but don't quote me! Regards Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 4.1.15-8-default Distro: openSUSE 42.1 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.14.16
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 16:49:08 +0000 Bob Williams wrote: 8< trimmed >8
Hi Carl,
I'm sorry, I can't remember the details. This was my first and last UEFI installation. The machine I'm typing this on is an 8 year old spinning rust machine that's still going strong.
I do remember being pleasantly surprised at how easy it was. I posted here at the time, and what I said then was:
"Windows 10 hides the relevant settings (security by obscurity), but searching for 'partition' got me to the partitioning tool where I was able to shrink the Windows partition.
"Similarly, searching on 'uefi' got me to a wizard where I chose the option to access a USB stick. I plugged in my openSUSE 13.2 stick, and clicked the icon, whereupon the machine rebooted into the openSUSE installer, which recognised the efi option. Installation was smooth and fast."
If you want to use the whole hard drive for openSUSE, I would guess that getting Windows to enable uefi, then get the YaST installer to repartition, might work, but don't quote me!
Regards
Bob
Thanks again, Bob! Very encouraging! :-) Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 15.02.2016 um 17:49 schrieb Bob Williams:
If you want to use the whole hard drive for openSUSE, I would guess that getting Windows to enable uefi, then get the YaST installer to repartition, might work, but don't quote me!
Regards
Bob
Following this threat cause I'll get my new Asus GL552VW in two weeks or so. Does your sentence above mean that windows somehow has to stay on that system because of that uefi thing? Sorry, if my question sounds stupid... I plan(ned) to just completely format the disks and remove whatever is on it, as I always did with a new install and just play leap on it... (it has a 128 GB SSD where I want to put the encrypted system and a 1 TB HD for my data). Do I have to consider something windowish before I start deleting/formating? Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona http://www.daniel-bauer.com room in Barcelona: https://www.airbnb.es/rooms/2416137 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 15/02/2016 18:54, Daniel Bauer a écrit :
Do I have to consider something windowish before I start deleting/formating?
nothing mandatory if you don't ever use Windows, but it's possible to make a complete backup from within windows or with fsbackup or clonezilla. Do not forget to bakup all the partitions (up to three for windows, system, and recovery), let only for service if hardware fails (to prevent "oh, linux is the cause of the failure") jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/15/2016 10:00 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 15/02/2016 18:54, Daniel Bauer a écrit :
Do I have to consider something windowish before I start deleting/formating?
nothing mandatory if you don't ever use Windows, but it's possible to make a complete backup from within windows or with fsbackup or clonezilla. Do not forget to bakup all the partitions (up to three for windows, system, and recovery), let only for service if hardware fails (to prevent "oh, linux is the cause of the failure")
jdd
I buy laptops with the smallest drive possible. I immediately buy a separate compatible drive, (and a drive tray if needed/possible) and install linux on that, putting the small drive on the shelf against possibility that the machine will need warranty service. If it never does, and the warranty expires, I re-purpose the original drive into an external enclosure. I do worry if this will be possible with UEFI, or if more and more of UEFI will be stored on the original hard drive along with your only backup copy of the original operating system. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 10:19:13 -0800 John Andersen wrote:
I buy laptops with the smallest drive possible. I immediately buy a separate compatible drive, (and a drive tray if needed/possible) and install linux on that, putting the small drive on the shelf against possibility that the machine will need warranty service. If it never does, and the warranty expires, I re-purpose the original drive into an external enclosure.
I do worry if this will be possible with UEFI, or if more and more of UEFI will be stored on the original hard drive along with your only backup copy of the original operating system.
Great minds think alike :-) but this SSD will be too costly to keep as an idle fallback. My plan is to image it after W10 is fully updated and before I touch any of the partitioning -- assuming I have better luck accessing the partitions on this system than on the last. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 15/02/2016 19:45, Carl Hartung a écrit :
Great minds think alike :-) but this SSD will be too costly to keep as an idle fallback. My plan is to image it after W10 is fully updated
do it right before connecting to the network, to keep it fresh w10 updates are a pain (surprise :-() jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-02-15 19:45, Carl Hartung wrote:
Great minds think alike :-) but this SSD will be too costly to keep as an idle fallback. My plan is to image it after W10 is fully updated and before I touch any of the partitioning -- assuming I have better luck accessing the partitions on this system than on the last.
I would image it on first boot. Possibly booting from external media. Certainly before any update. Possibly also after all the updates and configurations. Yes, I'm a bit paranoid :-p -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Le 15/02/2016 19:19, John Andersen a écrit :
I buy laptops with the smallest drive possible.
you have little choice, the disk size is acorded to the power of the laptop
I immediately buy a separate compatible drive, (and a drive tray if needed/possible) and install linux on that, putting the small drive on the shelf against possibility that the machine will need warranty service. If it never does, and the warranty expires, I re-purpose the original drive into an external enclosure.
many laptop noweday are difficult to open, not even the battery is removable. My Asus is on this sort, I didn't dare open it before the end of the guaranty period, and all this is mostly a waste of time, the system backup can be made on pretty small (32Gb) sd card, for example
I do worry if this will be possible with UEFI, or if more and more of UEFI will be stored on the original hard drive along with your only backup copy of the original operating system.
I don't think so jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/15/2016 10:50 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 15/02/2016 19:19, John Andersen a écrit :
I buy laptops with the smallest drive possible.
you have little choice, the disk size is acorded to the power of the laptop
I don't buy off the store shelf. I order mine, and I usually have a choice of disk size.
I immediately buy a separate compatible drive, (and a drive tray if needed/possible) and install linux on that, putting the small drive on the shelf against possibility that the machine will need warranty service. If it never does, and the warranty expires, I re-purpose the original drive into an external enclosure.
many laptop noweday are difficult to open, not even the battery is removable. My Asus is on this sort, I didn't dare open it before the end of the guaranty period, and all this is mostly a waste of time, the system backup can be made on pretty small (32Gb) sd card, for example
Shop better. Don't buy such crap. I've NEVER owned a laptop that did not outlive its battery, and require a battery replacement. Most have exceeded the life of their hard drive as well. When I buy, I look for access ports to Battery, Disk Drives, Memory, etc. I'm not into skinny throw-away machines. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 15/02/2016 20:32, John Andersen a écrit :
I'm not into skinny throw-away machines.
access is fairly easy, even on these machines, but it's more difficult to hide it from the dealer, and it could void the warranty. When I need a laptop, I need it light and small, the Mac Air would be ideal, given an accessible price :-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:32:08 -0800 John Andersen wrote:
On 02/15/2016 10:50 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 15/02/2016 19:19, John Andersen a écrit :
I buy laptops with the smallest drive possible.
you have little choice, the disk size is acorded to the power of the laptop
I don't buy off the store shelf. I order mine, and I usually have a choice of disk size.
I immediately buy a separate compatible drive, (and a drive tray if needed/possible) and install linux on that, putting the small drive on the shelf against possibility that the machine will need warranty service. If it never does, and the warranty expires, I re-purpose the original drive into an external enclosure.
many laptop noweday are difficult to open, not even the battery is removable. My Asus is on this sort, I didn't dare open it before the end of the guaranty period, and all this is mostly a waste of time, the system backup can be made on pretty small (32Gb) sd card, for example
Shop better. Don't buy such crap. I've NEVER owned a laptop that did not outlive its battery, and require a battery replacement. Most have exceeded the life of their hard drive as well. When I buy, I look for access ports to Battery, Disk Drives, Memory, etc.
I'm not into skinny throw-away machines.
It's no longer just the 'skinny throw-away machines' that are leaning in this direction. The one I've ordered has no access panels. They say there's nothing to upgrade. It already has the "maximum" 16GB RAM (DDR4) installed and there are no moving parts beyond the keys and switches. I guess they're assuming it'll be coming back for factory authorized service if and when that's needed. I'm not too concerned because I'm a tech. :-) They can all be opened in a pinch for servicing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/15/2016 02:32 PM, John Andersen wrote:
Shop better. Don't buy such crap. I've NEVER owned a laptop that did not outlive its battery, and require a battery replacement. Most have exceeded the life of their hard drive as well. When I buy, I look for access ports to Battery, Disk Drives, Memory, etc.
I'm not into skinny throw-away machines.
... like Apples ... Indeed. You can see similar in the world of smartphones. Its polarized into the types who want skinny but unserviceable, and those that want to be able to change battery, change sdcard. Is this any different from the camera world where we have the fixed ens types and the interchangeable lens types? For many things, certainly to do with cameras, there's a limit on what vendors can let users change because of the need for optically correct precisions, even if they are willing to pay. At the top end, Hasselblad let the user change pentaprism, viewscreen, lens and type of film back. There have been SLR manufacturers who let the user change the pentaprism and the focusing screen, some that allowed, in the day of film large capacity backs or backs that recorded date/time on the image, but these were few and exceptional and there was little demand for them in the professional range never mind the mid-range/consumer level. Interchangeable batteries mandate a minimum thickness, and like interchangeable film packs they allow for 'fast swap'. I admit that I never plug in my smartphone (except to a powerpack when travelling), I have a rotating set of batteries and a wall charger. My tablet is another matter. Larger tablets don't seem to come with user-replaceable batteries. Not even Samsung. However ... my local repair shop tells me that they are authorized to replace batteries, either under warranty or as paid-for. They also tell me that they can root my tablet and get rid of all the pre0installed crap that came with it that I don't want. Why don't I root it myself? Well they offer a guarantee and they are experienced in such matters. YMMV. But in the mean time, yes I buy (or acquire from the Closet of Anxieties) desktops and/or laptops with replaceable batteries and accessible disk drives and accessible screws to open up and replace other parts. Not that this always works. I've dropped a laptop and cracked the motherboard. I've had a g/f who 'forced. the power connection and snapped the socket assembly off the motherboard. This is a completely different order of problem. At some point you simply don't bother repairing and take it apart and sell the parts individually on eBay or the unit "as is". -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-02-15 19:19, John Andersen wrote:
I do worry if this will be possible with UEFI, or if more and more of UEFI will be stored on the original hard drive along with your only backup copy of the original operating system.
A friend of mine claims this is the case, after his machine was bricked several times in a month, requiring externally reimaging the hard disk. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 15/02/16 17:54, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 15.02.2016 um 17:49 schrieb Bob Williams:
If you want to use the whole hard drive for openSUSE, I would guess that getting Windows to enable uefi, then get the YaST installer to repartition, might work, but don't quote me!
Regards
Bob
Following this threat cause I'll get my new Asus GL552VW in two weeks or so.
Does your sentence above mean that windows somehow has to stay on that system because of that uefi thing?
Sorry, if my question sounds stupid... I plan(ned) to just completely format the disks and remove whatever is on it, as I always did with a new install and just play leap on it... (it has a 128 GB SSD where I want to put the encrypted system and a 1 TB HD for my data).
Do I have to consider something windowish before I start deleting/formating?
Daniel
That sentence means I don't know. This installation was the only one I've done on a UEFI machine. It might (should?) be possible to do as you suggest, but it's not what I did, as I was doing a dual boot setup. Bob -- Bob Williams System: Linux 4.1.15-8-default Distro: openSUSE 42.1 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.14.16
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:54:50 +0100 Daniel Bauer wrote:
Does your sentence above mean that windows somehow has to stay on that system because of that uefi thing?
Hi Daniel, What Bob seemed to describe is the 'switch' to enable or disable booting from external medium (CD/DVD/USB) on a UEFI ('secure boot') system is found inside the installed OS, itself, and not in the BIOS (UEFI replaces the BIOS.) Also, Vojtěch wrote:
As far as I know, Windows > 8 requires UEFI - legacy mode is an option for Windows 7. Otherwise it depends on implementation of UEFI by particular manufacturer... :-/
hth & regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-02-15 18:54, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Does your sentence above mean that windows somehow has to stay on that system because of that uefi thing?
Yes. I recently saw a Toshiba laptop that has no manner on boot to access the UEFI configuration. You have to boot Windows, and inside access an application that handles UEFI. In fact, one of the options launches the classical BIOS type, almost text mode, configuration display. So make certain that you can completely handle UEFI without Windows. It depends on how /friendly/ the manufacturer is. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 02/16/2016 08:15 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-02-15 18:54, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Does your sentence above mean that windows somehow has to stay on that system because of that uefi thing?
Yes.
I recently saw a Toshiba laptop that has no manner on boot to access the UEFI configuration.
You have to boot Windows, and inside access an application that handles UEFI. In fact, one of the options launches the classical BIOS type, almost text mode, configuration display.
So make certain that you can completely handle UEFI without Windows. It depends on how /friendly/ the manufacturer is.
More likely depends on how much the manufacturer is strong armed. -- Ken linux since 1994 S.u.S.E./openSUSE since 1996 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 16:49:08 +0000 Bob Williams wrote:
"Windows 10 hides the relevant settings (security by obscurity), but searching for 'partition' got me to the partitioning tool where I was able to shrink the Windows partition.
"Similarly, searching on 'uefi' got me to a wizard where I chose the option to access a USB stick. I plugged in my openSUSE 13.2 stick, and clicked the icon, whereupon the machine rebooted into the openSUSE installer, which recognised the efi option. Installation was smooth and fast."
Thanks again Bob! I think these were the instructions I needed to deal with that Acer system! :-) It simply never occurred to me that I would need the installed operating system's 'permission' to boot from an external device. I don't think I like that very much. What if you're booting from the external device because you suspect the installed OS is compromised? regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 16/02/2016 12:59, Carl Hartung a écrit :
device. I don't think I like that very much. What if you're booting from the external device because you suspect the installed OS is compromised?
well... if you run Windows you are already compromised :-)) you probably can also go with linux that way http://dodin.info/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Doc.UEFIBoot (right now simply copied from a thread in the list) but I didn't try it jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Carl Hartung <opensuse@cehartung.com> wrote:
I think these were the instructions I needed to deal with that Acer system! :-) It simply never occurred to me that I would need the installed operating system's 'permission' to boot from an external device. I don't think I like that very much. What if you're booting from the external device because you suspect the installed OS is compromised?
You misunderstand. You do not need Windows permissions. You need to change BIOS settings and Windows provides tool to do it for you without entering BIOS. But of course you can do it in BIOS as well. http://blog.technotesdesk.com/how-to-enable-boot-from-usb-drive-in-bios-asus... http://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1008829/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:39:15 +0300 Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Carl Hartung <opensuse@cehartung.com> wrote:
I think these were the instructions I needed to deal with that Acer system! :-) It simply never occurred to me that I would need the installed operating system's 'permission' to boot from an external device. I don't think I like that very much. What if you're booting from the external device because you suspect the installed OS is compromised?
You misunderstand. You do not need Windows permissions. You need to change BIOS settings and Windows provides tool to do it for you without entering BIOS. But of course you can do it in BIOS as well.
http://blog.technotesdesk.com/how-to-enable-boot-from-usb-drive-in-bios-asus...
Thanks, Andrei! This is very helpful. You have great search-fu skills! :-) The ASUS is a better design, so I wasn't expecting major difficulties. It's the Acer I referenced earlier that appears to require UEFI access through the OS (Windows.) At least it's accessible. And thanks again to everyone else who has participated in this thread, too. This project seems to be getting easier and easier! :-) regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Carl Hartung <opensuse@cehartung.com> wrote:
The ASUS is a better design, so I wasn't expecting major difficulties. It's the Acer I referenced earlier that appears to require UEFI access through the OS (Windows.) At least it's accessible.
Does it help? http://acer.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3182/~/why-cant-i-get-the-f... And do not forget that USB devices appear in boot menu only if plugged in before power on (reset). And they appear as UEFI bootable usually only if they have valid \EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFI file (I assume this model is 64 bit). But yes, after several months I decided in favor of Dell and so far I like it - it is quite Linux friendly (and came with Ubuntu preinstalled which also reduced price compared with the same model with Windows :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-02-16 13:39, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
You misunderstand. You do not need Windows permissions. You need to change BIOS settings and Windows provides tool to do it for you without entering BIOS. But of course you can do it in BIOS as well.
Not always. On the Toshiba Satellite P850-31M you can't reach the BIOS/UEFI unless from inside Windows. :-/ -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [02-16-16 08:31]:
On 2016-02-16 13:39, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
You misunderstand. You do not need Windows permissions. You need to change BIOS settings and Windows provides tool to do it for you without entering BIOS. But of course you can do it in BIOS as well.
Not always.
On the Toshiba Satellite P850-31M you can't reach the BIOS/UEFI unless from inside Windows.
:-/
:) http://www.tomsguide.com/forum/85143-35-toshiba-satellite-boot appears it is just hard-to-find. I have recently an acer v5 and a toshiba s55-c5274 which I was able to boot directly from external usb stick rather than having to access windoz. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 16/02/2016 14:47, Patrick Shanahan a écrit :
http://www.tomsguide.com/forum/85143-35-toshiba-satellite-boot
appears it is just hard-to-find.
yes, but no :-) in csm mode, you are stick to old bios mode and can't install uefi capable linux. may be there is a way, I don't have such computer to try jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-02-16 14:47, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [02-16-16 08:31]:
Not always.
On the Toshiba Satellite P850-31M you can't reach the BIOS/UEFI unless from inside Windows.
:-/
:) http://www.tomsguide.com/forum/85143-35-toshiba-satellite-boot
appears it is just hard-to-find.
My friend says that there is no key whatsoever that gets him to the bios screen. The forum says to select boot speed to not fast, but you can not do that unless you can reach the bios. Only way to do that is inside Windows, and Windows was bricked... One post in that forum tells to try F1 and Esc together. I'll tell him. Done. He claims forums are usually wrong and don't want to try (more?) random advice. :-/ He is very thick headed. So he had to open laptop, extract hard disk, restore manufacturer status from stick using another laptop. He claims parts of the uefi resides on the disk. He said that he tried to boot a debian CD, which failed to boot (the cd). In this procedure, some flag changed in the uefi, and then would not boot windows either. Bricked. Trick is to open up the laptop, and short circuit in the main board to pins that reset the clock. This causes the "bios" check to fail the checksum, complain, and prompt to enter the correct hour, and, if I remember correctly, the bios screen appears. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Le 16/02/2016 15:16, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Trick is to open up the laptop, and short circuit in the main board to pins that reset the clock. This causes the "bios" check to fail the checksum, complain, and prompt to enter the correct hour, and, if I remember correctly, the bios screen appears.
it's often enough to slip a finger on the keyboard to send random signal during boot to go to the BIOS (you remember "keyboard error or not present, press the F1 key" :-)) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2016-02-16 13:39, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
You misunderstand. You do not need Windows permissions. You need to change BIOS settings and Windows provides tool to do it for you without entering BIOS. But of course you can do it in BIOS as well.
Not always.
On the Toshiba Satellite P850-31M you can't reach the BIOS/UEFI unless from inside Windows.
Well, it still has nothing to do with "Windows permissions". You do not need "Windows permissions", you just have no other choice because program to change settings runs only in Windows. Hmm ... this links does not agree with you: https://forum.toshiba.eu/showthread.php?71280-Satellite-P850-Getting-into-th... Of course there could be multiple P850 flavors ... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-02-16 14:47, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
On the Toshiba Satellite P850-31M you can't reach the BIOS/UEFI unless from inside Windows.
Well, it still has nothing to do with "Windows permissions". You do not need "Windows permissions", you just have no other choice because program to change settings runs only in Windows.
Hmm ... this links does not agree with you: https://forum.toshiba.eu/showthread.php?71280-Satellite-P850-Getting-into-th...
Of course there could be multiple P850 flavors ...
(P850M, the 'M' is Spanish flavor, apparently) The point of that link is that Windows 8 by default does a quick hibernate, and in that mode you can not alter the bios. Yes, this is true. However, my friend needed to reach the bios after booting a Debian CD. To boot a CD the machine needs a full power off first, so he already knows about that quick power off feature that must be disabled. What he possibly needs is a method for emergencies. My friend says he already read that post, and claims it is an stupidity that did not help him. (put here a smiley for thick headed ;-) ) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Le 16/02/2016 15:32, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
However, my friend needed to reach the bios after booting a Debian CD. To boot a CD the machine needs a full power off first, so he already knows about that quick power off feature that must be disabled.
a friend of mine said than the only way to disable the hibernation is to *reboot*, not poweroff, then switch off when the computer is rebooting. on a laptop, one can't pull the cord :-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
What he possibly needs is a method for emergencies.
Well, several posts suggest that on Toshiba --><-- To reach the BIOS when fast-boot is turned on, you should hold down the F2 key and then power-on the computer. --><-- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
What he possibly needs is a method for emergencies.
Well, several posts suggest that on Toshiba
--><-- To reach the BIOS when fast-boot is turned on, you should hold down the F2 key and then power-on the computer. --><--
With a Lenovo Yoga 3 there is a little button on side. It is very small and most easily pressed with a straightened out paperclip. To access the BIOS: Power-off laptop, then press that little button. The laptop will power-up into bios mode. That is probably the most unusual bios access method I've come across. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 16/02/2016 16:31, Greg Freemyer a écrit :
That is probably the most unusual bios access method I've come across.
yes :-) but android one (pressing three buttons at the same time) is not bas, specially when your device do not have but one physical button :-( jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-02-16 17:28, jdd wrote:
Le 16/02/2016 16:31, Greg Freemyer a écrit :
That is probably the most unusual bios access method I've come across.
yes :-)
but android one (pressing three buttons at the same time) is not bas, specially when your device do not have but one physical button :-(
Quite so. Another difficult combo is how to make a screenshot on my motorola phone. I have to press two keys (I've forgotten which, volume and power probably), exactly at the same time, while holding the phone. Not in sync, and screen goes off, locks, and you have to unlock to try again. Read my notes. It is volume down and power, simultaneously and during 3 seconds. If you push 5 seconds, it really powers off, so you have to count seconds on your head. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 2016-02-16 15:44, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Carlos E. R. <> wrote:
What he possibly needs is a method for emergencies.
Well, several posts suggest that on Toshiba
--><-- To reach the BIOS when fast-boot is turned on, you should hold down the F2 key and then power-on the computer. --><--
I believe this is the one he tried. Apparently does not always work. Other posts suggest certain weird timing on the keys. He told me he had to, reading the motherboard docs, short circuit two pins causing the cmos clock to reset. On boot, it fails the checksum and you get to an error screen and prompt. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Op maandag 15 februari 2016 16:19:59 CET schreef Bob Williams:
On 14/02/16 15:36, Carl Hartung wrote:
Hi All,
I've searched for information about installing and running Linux on this laptop and had somewhat limited success.
Make & Model: ASUS UX501VW-DS71T Screen: 15.6" IPS 4K UHD (3840 x 2160) 10 point touch CPU: 2.6 GHz Core i7 6700HQ Graphics Card: nVidia GTX 960M 2G Memory: 16 GB GDDR5 SDRAM SSD: 512GB PCIe 4 Samsung SM951 M.2 (#MZVPV512 w/ NVMe) I/O: Bluetooth 4 & Gigabit Dual-Band 802.11AC Wi-Fi
1 x Thunderbolt III: --> USB 3.1 Type-C, DisplayPort / HDMI / DVI / VGA 1 x USB 3.0 w/ "Charger+" 1 x USB 3.0 1 x HDMI 1 x SD card reader (SDXC) 1 x combo audio
I found one thread saying that Mint 17.3 installs and behaves nicely. Does anyone here have any experience with this or a comparable / related ASUS system running openSUSE?
TIA & regards,
Carl
Not the same model, but a few months ago I bought an ASUS Zenbook UX305 for my wife. She wanted it to be dual boot, so I shrank the Win10 partition (from within Windows) and installed openSUSE Leap 42.1 alongside. No problems, nice little machine, works well. And the Win10 installation hasn't been touched since! ;-)
Bob Sounds like extra diskspace :-).
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On 15/02/16 17:25, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
Op maandag 15 februari 2016 16:19:59 CET schreef Bob Williams:
On 14/02/16 15:36, Carl Hartung wrote:
Hi All,
I've searched for information about installing and running Linux on this laptop and had somewhat limited success.
[..]
Not the same model, but a few months ago I bought an ASUS Zenbook UX305 for my wife. She wanted it to be dual boot, so I shrank the Win10 partition (from within Windows) and installed openSUSE Leap 42.1 alongside. No problems, nice little machine, works well. And the Win10 installation hasn't been touched since! ;-)
Bob Sounds like extra diskspace :-).
Yup! It will be reclaimed, eventually. ;-) -- Bob Williams System: Linux 4.1.15-8-default Distro: openSUSE 42.1 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.14.16
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