Re: [SLE] What is a good webpage development tool?
Is there anything that will attach to my server as I work so I can either ftp up or work live off the server (i.e., frontpage)? I looked at Quanta, but there doesn't seem to be a way to attach to the server. Am I missing something? Program looks interesting. Tom On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 11:06, Nick Selby wrote: On Tuesday 16 July 2002 19:52, Tom Nielsen wrote: > I currently have a couple websites built under Frontpage. I'm wondering > what people can recommend to make pages in under Linux? What's the best > program for it? Try Quanta or nedit Nick > > Tom -- ---------------------------- Nick Selby German Mobile: +49 173 384 6576 | UK Mobile: +44 781 592 5713 | US Mobile: +1 646 334 3649 *Currently in: Germany*
In quante you can work offline, and when you want to update your server, you can upload the stuff with ftp, directly into the quanta interface. Normaly you should use the F8 Key to update. -----Message d'origine----- De : Tom Nielsen [mailto:tom@neuro-logic.com] Envoyé : mardi 16 juillet 2002 20:23 À : Suse Objet : Re: [SLE] What is a good webpage development tool? Is there anything that will attach to my server as I work so I can either ftp up or work live off the server (i.e., frontpage)? I looked at Quanta, but there doesn't seem to be a way to attach to the server. Am I missing something? Program looks interesting. Tom On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 11:06, Nick Selby wrote: On Tuesday 16 July 2002 19:52, Tom Nielsen wrote: > I currently have a couple websites built under Frontpage. I'm wondering > what people can recommend to make pages in under Linux? What's the best > program for it? Try Quanta or nedit Nick > > Tom -- ---------------------------- Nick Selby German Mobile: +49 173 384 6576 | UK Mobile: +44 781 592 5713 | US Mobile: +1 646 334 3649 *Currently in: Germany*
Sure you can. If you create a project, you can upload all, all changed or just selected files to the server. You can also right-click a file name in the tree and upload that file. You can also configure your own tags that are then highlighted in the editor, create actions for toolbar buttons, and many other very useful features. I developed my Linux Tutorial (see below) entirely using Quanta (HTML and Perl). Regards, jimmo On Tuesday 16 July 2002 20:23, Tom Nielsen wrote:
Is there anything that will attach to my server as I work so I can either ftp up or work live off the server (i.e., frontpage)?
I looked at Quanta, but there doesn't seem to be a way to attach to the server. Am I missing something? Program looks interesting.
Tom
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I tried Quanta, and if I'm not missing something, I don't like the fact that I can't build by wysiwyg. I'm not a hard coder by any means, but I can find problems with code after the fact. Is there a way to build in a preview screen?? Similar to Frontpage or Dreamweaver. Thanks, Tom On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 22:20, James Mohr wrote: Sure you can. If you create a project, you can upload all, all changed or just selected files to the server. You can also right-click a file name in the tree and upload that file. You can also configure your own tags that are then highlighted in the editor, create actions for toolbar buttons, and many other very useful features. I developed my Linux Tutorial (see below) entirely using Quanta (HTML and Perl). Regards, jimmo On Tuesday 16 July 2002 20:23, Tom Nielsen wrote: > Is there anything that will attach to my server as I work so I can > either ftp up or work live off the server (i.e., frontpage)? > > I looked at Quanta, but there doesn't seem to be a way to attach to > the server. Am I missing something? Program looks interesting. > > Tom -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others thing you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info --------------------------------------- NOTE: All messages sent to me in response to my posts to newsgroups or forums are subject to reposting. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com
On Wednesday 17 July 2002 6:40 am, you wrote:
I tried Quanta, and if I'm not missing something, I don't like the fact that I can't build by wysiwyg. I'm not a hard coder by any means, but I can find problems with code after the fact. Is there a way to build in a preview screen?? Similar to Frontpage or Dreamweaver.
To the best of my knowledge there isn't a WYSIWYG HTML editor for Linux. Dreamweaver is one of the reasons Vmware/W2K is still on my machine - handling big websites with emacs or vi is just too much like hard work. -- 8:03am up 6 days, 40 min, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.09
On Wednesday 17 July 2002 08:07, you wrote:
On Wednesday 17 July 2002 6:40 am, you wrote:
I tried Quanta, and if I'm not missing something, I don't like the fact that I can't build by wysiwyg. I'm not a hard coder by any means, but I can find problems with code after the fact. Is there a way to build in a preview screen?? Similar to Frontpage or Dreamweaver.
To the best of my knowledge there isn't a WYSIWYG HTML editor for Linux. Dreamweaver is one of the reasons Vmware/W2K is still on my machine - handling big websites with emacs or vi is just too much like hard work.
Well there's Netscape / Mozilla composer, that provides a WYSIWYG editing environment. It has several different views, from plain html to full previewing and editable wysiwyg. Frontpage seems to me to be responsible for most of the fouled up html on the web, but I'm sure Derek has tried and rejected Moz and Netscape composer as not providing enough. Works for me, though I prefer Kate - but then I freely admit I'm not trying to do anything very fancy. Best Fergus
To the best of my knowledge there isn't a WYSIWYG HTML editor for Linux. Dreamweaver is one of the reasons Vmware/W2K is still on my machine - handling big websites with emacs or vi is just too much like hard work.
Well there's Netscape / Mozilla composer, that provides a WYSIWYG editing environment. It has several different views, from plain html to full previewing and editable wysiwyg. Frontpage seems to me to be responsible for most of the fouled up html on the web, but I'm sure Derek has tried and rejected Moz and Netscape composer as not providing enough. Works for me, though I prefer Kate - but then I freely admit I'm not trying to do anything very fancy.
Yes, if it's just a WYSIWYG editor you need then Mozilla composer might do the trick. If you need site management tools (I maintain thousands of pages of XML and HTML, plus CGI scripts and a MySQL backend) then you need a lot more. I've tried Frontpage and was delighted to boot it out of the door. Dreamweaver does a much better job, but still isn't perfect. I'd love a good Linux solution to come along... -- 10:10am up 6 days, 2:46, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00
On Wed. Jul. 17, 2002 at 10:15:41 +0100 GMT, a lone cry was heard from
Derek Fountain
Yes, if it's just a WYSIWYG editor you need then Mozilla composer might do the trick.
There is also Amaya of course. I gaurantee that it will produce 100% W3c compliant code since it is written by them. I think it is included with SuSE. You can reader about it at: http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ Charles -- "Oh, I've seen copies [of Linux Journal] around the terminal room at The Labs." (By Dennis Ritchie)
El Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:07:50 +0100
Derek Fountain
On Wednesday 17 July 2002 6:40 am, you wrote:
I tried Quanta, and if I'm not missing something, I don't like the fact that I can't build by wysiwyg. I'm not a hard coder by any means, but I can find problems with code after the fact. Is there a way to build in a preview screen?? Similar to Frontpage or Dreamweaver.
To the best of my knowledge there isn't a WYSIWYG HTML editor for Linux. Dreamweaver is one of the reasons Vmware/W2K is still on my machine - handling big websites with emacs or vi is just too much like hard work.
I can count at least 3 - Open/Star Office - Mozilla Composer - IBM Homepage Builder Can't say that you will consider them better than Dreamweaver, but you can try them all and see if its enough. In the worst case, in http://franksworld.net explains how to install Dreamweaver 4 under Wine, thing that could be better than run it under vmware/rebooting. Saludos Gustavo
On Wednesday 17 July 2002 07:40, Tom Nielsen wrote:
I tried Quanta, and if I'm not missing something, I don't like the fact that I can't build by wysiwyg. I'm not a hard coder by any means, but I can find problems with code after the fact. Is there a way to build in a preview screen?? Similar to Frontpage or Dreamweaver.
Actually, the fact that it is **not** wysiwyg is why I use it. It is a "Web Development Environment" and not an HTML editor. In my experience the problem with wysiwyg editors is that they are designed for a particular browser or browser family. As a result, there are many things that do not work or work correctly in other browsers. If you are so used to drag-n-drop without udnerstanding the underlying HTML, Javascript, perl, etc then you are in deep kimchee when you run into problems. With wysiwyg editors I have had troubles with things like tables in forms or certain combinations of tags. FrontPage seems to be the worst about "knowing better" than you. I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. Sometimes I do need the wysiwyg to get things like tables to look right, so I use things like Star Office (as Gustavo suggested), just to get things to look right. I think my Linux Tutorial is a great example of what you can do with Quanta. I have **developed** the site using Quanta and not just thrown a few HTML pages together. There is a lot of **functionality** there, not just "cute" pages. Regards, jimmo -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others thing you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info --------------------------------------- NOTE: All messages sent to me in response to my posts to newsgroups or forums are subject to reposting.
A very good wysiwyg is Star Office 5.2. It's a little old but you can do a frame set with just a few clicks and edit your pages directly in the frame set. It is very usefull. If you don't want to use the latest features of the html format, it's a vey good choice, the program is a little bit old and you can configure it in the options like html 3.2 compatible (the best choice, like that you are sure at every browser that is frame compatible (modern) can read your pages) or choose another format that offer extra possibilities like explorer, netscape or StarOffice but with those formats, you can get in trouble with the others browsers as the one you have choosed. A tips, if tou are using Staroffice and you will reedit an existant frame set, you MUST have the external browser option in the prefs to NO external browser, otherwise it's not wirking. That have tokk me 2 hours the first time to found it. GRRR... Sun have stopped with the Staroffice 5.2 download, but you can get it in every SuSE ftp mirror. You will find the packages in the pay series, in the 7.3 version or 7.2, you need 2 packages, the main staroffice package so_base and a langage package so_en or so_fr... I have installed it with Suse 8.0 and it's working very well. For me it's a very great program for the html, the code it write is very good, with not a lot of extra code, and it is even possible to edit the html directly if needed. It is very sad ot Sun have disabled the frame set possibility in the vrsion 6.0 and even openoffice have done the same.... Dominique James Mohr wrote:
On Wednesday 17 July 2002 07:40, Tom Nielsen wrote:
I tried Quanta, and if I'm not missing something, I don't like the fact that I can't build by wysiwyg. I'm not a hard coder by any means, but I can find problems with code after the fact. Is there a way to build in a preview screen?? Similar to Frontpage or Dreamweaver.
Actually, the fact that it is **not** wysiwyg is why I use it. It is a "Web Development Environment" and not an HTML editor. In my experience the problem with wysiwyg editors is that they are designed for a particular browser or browser family. As a result, there are many things that do not work or work correctly in other browsers. If you are so used to drag-n-drop without udnerstanding the underlying HTML, Javascript, perl, etc then you are in deep kimchee when you run into problems.
With wysiwyg editors I have had troubles with things like tables in forms or certain combinations of tags. FrontPage seems to be the worst about "knowing better" than you. I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. Sometimes I do need the wysiwyg to get things like tables to look right, so I use things like Star Office (as Gustavo suggested), just to get things to look right.
I think my Linux Tutorial is a great example of what you can do with Quanta. I have **developed** the site using Quanta and not just thrown a few HTML pages together. There is a lot of **functionality** there, not just "cute" pages.
Regards,
jimmo -- --------------------------------------- "Be more concerned with your character than with your reputation. Your character is what you really are while your reputation is merely what others thing you are." -- John Wooden --------------------------------------- Be sure to visit the Linux Tutorial: http://www.linux-tutorial.info --------------------------------------- NOTE: All messages sent to me in response to my posts to newsgroups or forums are subject to reposting.
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Tom Nielsen