[opensuse] zypper update -d undocumented feature?
Prefer to use zypper for updates, as yast is much too interactive and slower, and I like to defer installs until I have time to watch the progress. However, a couple times I've got a message after everything was downloaded about files in use being deleted during downloads, typically when drpms are being downloaded. zypper ps confirms that files in use were deleted. It's not documented in the manpage or other docs I've found but it appears that "download-only" switch for update does not always download only. For example, drpms are never only downloaded. I'm wondering if there's another switch to tell zypper that, "Yes, I Am Absolutely Certain I Want To Only Download And Not Install Or Delete Any Files At All Positively And Definitely So Don't Assume I Want Any Files Deleted Or Ask Again And By The Way, Only Download DRPMS. Do Nothing Else." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-03-30 20:26, jdebert wrote:
Prefer to use zypper for updates, as yast is much too interactive and slower, and I like to defer installs until I have time to watch the progress.
However, a couple times I've got a message after everything was downloaded about files in use being deleted during downloads, typically when drpms are being downloaded. zypper ps confirms that files in use were deleted.
It's not documented in the manpage or other docs I've found but it appears that "download-only" switch for update does not always download only. For example, drpms are never only downloaded.
I'm wondering if there's another switch to tell zypper that, "Yes, I Am Absolutely Certain I Want To Only Download And Not Install Or Delete Any Files At All Positively And Definitely So Don't Assume I Want Any Files Deleted Or Ask Again And By The Way, Only Download DRPMS. Do Nothing Else."
You have a few misunderstandings here. drpms are downloaded, then they are converted to the full rpm locally (instead of downloading the full rpm), but they are not installed because you used "-d". The message about deleted files is normal and expected, nothing is wrong. It is actually a Unix/Linux feature. What the message means is that, because of the update, some files were "changed". This means that the old version is deleted, and a new one is created, perhaps with the same name. But, and this is the Linux feature I talk about, when a file is deleted while it is still in use, the file is not actually deleted. The directory entry is updated and refers to the new file, if any, but the program that was using the now deleted file still has pointers and data to the old, deleted file, and continues to use it. Only when that program restarts, or closes/open that file, is the file actually deleted. Any other program that tries to access the old, deleted file, while it is still there, accesses the new file. An no, you can not tell zypper not to delete those files, absolutely not. _You_ told zypper to go ahead and delete those things. No deletion, no update is possible. You do not want those deletions to happen, then do not update, period. :-) The only way to avoid this would be to stop the system completely, and do the updates from a live CD instead, applied on the hard disk. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
Then why an option "download only" that does not download only? This is a dangerous practice. The files deleted were not replaced. They were only deleted. They are not accessible on the filesystem, only in memory. No newer version was yet written to the filesystem because, "download only". jd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-03-31 00:54, jdebert wrote:
Then why an option "download only" that does not download only?
This is a dangerous practice.
The files deleted were not replaced. They were only deleted. They are not accessible on the filesystem, only in memory. No newer version was yet written to the filesystem because, "download only".
You are getting confused. You are mixing things, and saying things that make no sense. The download only option is not related at all to the "deleted files" thing. I suggest you get hard data to support what you say, and then we'll review it. Like running "zypper ps" before, doing a "download only" run, then do a "zypper ps" to verify. Then you could repeat with a real run, updating things. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2014-03-31 at 04:27 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I suggest you get hard data to support what you say, and then we'll review it. Like running "zypper ps" before, doing a "download only" run, then do a "zypper ps" to verify.
Then you could repeat with a real run, updating things.
Telcontar:~ # zypper ps No processes using deleted files found. Telcontar:~ # zypper patch --download-only Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Resolving package dependencies... The following 10 NEW patches are going to be installed: openSUSE-2014-237 openSUSE-2014-238 openSUSE-2014-243 openSUSE-2014-244 openSUSE-2014-245 openSUSE-2014-251 openSUSE-2014-252 openSUSE-2014-253 openSUSE-2014-255 openSUSE-2014-256 The following 29 packages are going to be upgraded: MozillaFirefox coreutils dosfstools file file-devel file-magic fontforge libfreebl3 libfreebl3-32bit liblightdm-gobject-1-0 libmagic1 libmagic1-32bit libsoftokn3 libsoftokn3-32bit lightdm lightdm-lang monitoring-tools mozilla-nspr mozilla-nspr-32bit mozilla-nspr-devel mozilla-nss mozilla-nss-32bit mozilla-nss-certs mozilla-nss-certs-32bit mozilla-nss-devel python-magic rdesktop xf86-video-modesetting xinetd 29 packages to upgrade. Overall download size: 36.9 MiB. Download only. Continue? [y/n/? shows all options] (y): Retrieving package dosfstools-3.0.22-2.4.1.x86_64 (1/29), 81.1 KiB (211.4 KiB unpacked) Retrieving delta: ./x86_64/dosfstools-3.0.22-2.1.2_2.4.1.x86_64.drpm, 13.0 KiB Retrieving: dosfstools-3.0.22-2.1.2_2.4.1.x86_64.drpm ..................................................................................................................................[done] Applying delta: ./dosfstools-3.0.22-2.1.2_2.4.1.x86_64.drpm ............................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving package file-magic-5.15-4.20.1.x86_64 (2/29), 302.8 KiB ( 3.3 MiB unpacked) Retrieving delta: ./x86_64/file-magic-5.15-4.16.1_4.20.1.x86_64.drpm, 15.0 KiB Retrieving: file-magic-5.15-4.16.1_4.20.1.x86_64.drpm ..................................................................................................................................[done] Applying delta: ./file-magic-5.15-4.16.1_4.20.1.x86_64.drpm ............................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving package fontforge-20120731-6.4.1.x86_64 (3/29), 7.1 MiB ( 20.5 MiB unpacked) Retrieving delta: ./x86_64/fontforge-20120731-6.1.4_6.4.1.x86_64.drpm, 151.8 KiB Retrieving: fontforge-20120731-6.1.4_6.4.1.x86_64.drpm ....................................................................................................................[done (98.1 KiB/s)] Applying delta: ./fontforge-20120731-6.1.4_6.4.1.x86_64.drpm ...........................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving package libfreebl3-3.15.5-16.1.x86_64 (4/29), 177.2 KiB (487.5 KiB unpacked) Retrieving delta: ./x86_64/libfreebl3-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm, 32.3 KiB Retrieving: libfreebl3-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm ................................................................................................................[done (77.7 KiB/s)] Applying delta: ./libfreebl3-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm .......................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving package libmagic1-32bit-5.15-4.20.1.x86_64 (5/29), 60.0 KiB (109.8 KiB unpacked) Retrieving delta: ./x86_64/libmagic1-32bit-5.15-4.16.1_4.20.1.x86_64.drpm, 17.4 KiB Retrieving: libmagic1-32bit-5.15-4.16.1_4.20.1.x86_64.drpm ................................................................................................................[done (40.1 KiB/s)] Applying delta: ./libmagic1-32bit-5.15-4.16.1_4.20.1.x86_64.drpm .......................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving package mozilla-nspr-4.10.4-8.1.x86_64 (6/29), 109.4 KiB (275.7 KiB unpacked) Retrieving delta: ./x86_64/mozilla-nspr-4.10.2_4.10.4-4.1_8.1.x86_64.drpm, 30.1 KiB Retrieving: mozilla-nspr-4.10.2_4.10.4-4.1_8.1.x86_64.drpm ................................................................................................................[done (20.3 KiB/s)] Applying delta: ./mozilla-nspr-4.10.2_4.10.4-4.1_8.1.x86_64.drpm .......................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving package mozilla-nspr-32bit-4.10.4-8.1.x86_64 (7/29), 109.4 KiB (271.1 KiB unpacked) Retrieving delta: ./x86_64/mozilla-nspr-32bit-4.10.2_4.10.4-4.1_8.1.x86_64.drpm, 28.4 KiB Retrieving: mozilla-nspr-32bit-4.10.2_4.10.4-4.1_8.1.x86_64.drpm ..........................................................................................................[done (29.4 KiB/s)] Applying delta: ./mozilla-nspr-32bit-4.10.2_4.10.4-4.1_8.1.x86_64.drpm .................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving package python-magic-5.15-4.20.1.x86_64 (8/29), 7.7 KiB ( 15.1 KiB unpacked) Retrieving: python-magic-5.15-4.20.1.x86_64.rpm ........................................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving package xinetd-2.3.15-2.4.1.x86_64 (9/29), 123.6 KiB (286.0 KiB unpacked) Retrieving delta: ./x86_64/xinetd-2.3.15-2.1.2_2.4.1.x86_64.drpm, 14.1 KiB Retrieving: xinetd-2.3.15-2.1.2_2.4.1.x86_64.drpm .........................................................................................................................[done (50.8 KiB/s)] Applying delta: ./xinetd-2.3.15-2.1.2_2.4.1.x86_64.drpm ................................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving package libmagic1-5.15-4.20.1.x86_64 (10/29), 59.4 KiB (110.8 KiB unpacked) Retrieving delta: ./x86_64/libmagic1-5.15-4.16.1_4.20.1.x86_64.drpm, 18.3 KiB Retrieving: libmagic1-5.15-4.16.1_4.20.1.x86_64.drpm ...................................................................................................................................[done] Applying delta: ./libmagic1-5.15-4.16.1_4.20.1.x86_64.drpm .............................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving package mozilla-nss-certs-3.15.5-16.1.x86_64 (11/29), 204.0 KiB (631.5 KiB unpacked) Retrieving delta: ./x86_64/mozilla-nss-certs-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm, 20.3 KiB Retrieving: mozilla-nss-certs-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm ..........................................................................................................[done (4.3 KiB/s)] Applying delta: ./mozilla-nss-certs-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm ................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving package mozilla-nspr-devel-4.10.4-8.1.x86_64 (12/29), 524.9 KiB ( 2.6 MiB unpacked) Retrieving delta: ./x86_64/mozilla-nspr-devel-4.10.2_4.10.4-4.1_8.1.x86_64.drpm, 71.5 KiB Retrieving: mozilla-nspr-devel-4.10.2_4.10.4-4.1_8.1.x86_64.drpm ..........................................................................................................[done (59.5 KiB/s)] Applying delta: ./mozilla-nspr-devel-4.10.2_4.10.4-4.1_8.1.x86_64.drpm .................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving package mozilla-nss-certs-32bit-3.15.5-16.1.x86_64 (13/29), 196.3 KiB (476.1 KiB unpacked) Retrieving delta: ./x86_64/mozilla-nss-certs-32bit-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm, 20.3 KiB Retrieving: mozilla-nss-certs-32bit-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm 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./x86_64/file-5.15-4.16.1_4.20.1.x86_64.drpm, 15.6 KiB Retrieving: file-5.15-4.16.1_4.20.1.x86_64.drpm ........................................................................................................................................[done] Applying delta: ./file-5.15-4.16.1_4.20.1.x86_64.drpm ..................................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving package libsoftokn3-3.15.5-16.1.x86_64 (16/29), 173.1 KiB (445.0 KiB unpacked) Retrieving delta: ./x86_64/libsoftokn3-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm, 30.0 KiB Retrieving: libsoftokn3-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm ...............................................................................................................[done (28.3 KiB/s)] Applying delta: ./libsoftokn3-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm ......................................................................................................................[done] 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.........................................................................................................[done (37.4 KiB/s)] Applying delta: ./mozilla-nss-devel-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm ................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving package MozillaFirefox-28.0-17.1.x86_64 (21/29), 24.1 MiB ( 60.0 MiB unpacked) Retrieving: MozillaFirefox-28.0-17.1.x86_64.rpm ...........................................................................................................................[done (96.0 KiB/s)] Retrieving package mozilla-nss-32bit-3.15.5-16.1.x86_64 (22/29), 588.3 KiB ( 1.9 MiB unpacked) Retrieving delta: ./x86_64/mozilla-nss-32bit-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm, 79.5 KiB Retrieving: mozilla-nss-32bit-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm ..........................................................................................................[done (6.1 KiB/s)] Applying delta: ./mozilla-nss-32bit-3.15.4_3.15.5-12.1_16.1.x86_64.drpm ................................................................................................................[done] Telcontar:~ # zypper ps No processes using deleted files found. Telcontar:~ # See? No deleted files in use at all. And nothing was installed, because I used the "--download-only" option. Don't you get confused by the wording "Applying delta". It is not installing anything at all. Now I tell it to really update "mozilla-nspr" (which was downloaded as a drpm): Telcontar:~ # zypper update mozilla-nspr Retrieving repository 'Local RPMs' metadata ............................................................................................................................................[done] Retrieving repository 'OBS: Utilities' metadata ........................................................................................................................................[done] Building repository 'OBS: Utilities' cache .............................................................................................................................................[done] Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Resolving package dependencies... The following 2 packages are going to be upgraded: mozilla-nspr mozilla-nspr-devel 2 packages to upgrade. Overall download size: 634.2 KiB. After the operation, additional 8.7 KiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/? shows all options] (y): y (1/2) Installing: mozilla-nspr-4.10.4-8.1 ..............................................................................................................................................[done] (2/2) Installing: mozilla-nspr-devel-4.10.4-8.1 ........................................................................................................................................[done] There are some running programs that use files deleted by recent upgrade. You may wish to restart some of them. Run 'zypper ps' to list these programs. Telcontar:~ # Notice that the package is not downloaded, it is directly updated. And now I get the warning that there are deleted files in use. i can double check which; Telcontar:~ # zypper ps The following running processes use deleted files: PID | PPID | UID | Login | Command | Service | Files - ------+-------+------+---------+-----------------+---------+----------------------- 4167 | 1 | 498 | polkitd | polkitd | | /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so 19378 | 0 | 1000 | cer | dconf | | /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/libplc4.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/libplds4.so 19837 | 1 | 1000 | cer | gmain | | /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/libplc4.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/libplds4.so 20026 | 19250 | 1000 | cer | thunderbird-bin | | /usr/lib64/libplds4.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/libplc4.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so 20923 | 0 | 1000 | cer | mozStorage | | /usr/lib64/libplds4.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/libplc4.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so You may wish to restart these processes. See 'man zypper' for information about the meaning of values in the above table. Telcontar:~ # The file "/usr/lib64/libnspr4.so" was deleted, and replaced with another copy. Look at the timestamp: Telcontar:~ # ls -l /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so - -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 248920 Mar 19 09:55 /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so Telcontar:~ # ls -lc /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so - -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 248920 Mar 31 05:27 /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so Telcontar:~ # date Mon Mar 31 05:33:19 CEST 2014 Telcontar:~ # It has been replaced NOW. So, I exit "Thunderbird", that is still running, and one of the entries will disapear: Telcontar:~ # zypper ps The following running processes use deleted files: PID | PPID | UID | Login | Command | Service | Files - ------+------+------+---------+-----------+---------+----------------------- 4167 | 1 | 498 | polkitd | polkitd | | /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so 19378 | 0 | 1000 | cer | dconf | | /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/libplc4.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/libplds4.so 19837 | 1 | 1000 | cer | gmain | | /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/libplc4.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/libplds4.so 20923 | 0 | 1000 | cer | StreamT~s | | /usr/lib64/libplds4.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/libplc4.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so You may wish to restart these processes. See 'man zypper' for information about the meaning of values in the above table. Telcontar:~ # Everything is working as it should. Nothing is wrong. Now I have to patch (update) the rest of the things (which I will not paste here, too boring), and restart some processes. I try login out of my XFCE session, and check "zypper ps" in the console: Telcontar:~ # zypper ps The following running processes use deleted files: PID | PPID | UID | Login | Command | Service | Files - -----+------+-----+---------+---------+---------+----------------------- 4167 | 1 | 498 | polkitd | polkitd | | /usr/lib64/libnspr4.so You may wish to restart these processes. See 'man zypper' for information about the meaning of values in the above table. Telcontar:~ # So there is one process to restart. Seeing the above, I do "init 3", and check: Telcontar:~ # zypper ps No processes using deleted files found. Telcontar:~ # Gotcha. Now init 5, and back to the graphical session. And no, I'm not going to explain how I knew I had to do an "init 3" :-p - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. 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On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 04:27:47 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2014-03-31 00:54, jdebert wrote:
Then why an option "download only" that does not download only?
This is a dangerous practice.
The files deleted were not replaced. They were only deleted. They are not accessible on the filesystem, only in memory. No newer version was yet written to the filesystem because, "download only".
You are getting confused. You are mixing things, and saying things that make no sense.
The download only option is not related at all to the "deleted files" thing.
I suggest you get hard data to support what you say, and then we'll review it. Like running "zypper ps" before, doing a "download only" run, then do a "zypper ps" to verify.
Then you could repeat with a real run, updating things.
So I did NOT enter 'zypper up -d' when this happened? I must have forgotten the '-d' part? That could be the only possible explanation, right? Shows what being in a hurry can get you, doesn't it? jd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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