[opensuse] Installing Gnome after a KDE4 install
So, I've installed 11.2 on a test-bed computer, using all defaults to get KDE4. I've updated to KDE4.3.4, and now it's time to install Gnome. I'd like to install Gnome Factory, but I'll settle for the stable version from the 11.2 repos to get started. There's no one-click install for Gnome that I can find on the openSUSE Wiki... Why not? KDE4 has them... is there any reason Gnome doesn't? If I go into YaST and find the most logical metapackage for installing Gnome, "patterns-openSUSE-Gnome" and select it for installation, YaST wants to remove "patterns-openSUSE-kde4_pure"... whatever that is. I've searched the docs, the Wiki and general searching with Google... lots of references to that package but nothing that tells me what it is, or what will be missing if I remove it. Also.. the descriptions for the metapackages do not tell me a thing about what they contain at least not within YaST. Take the patterns-openSUSE-kde4_pure meta package.. its description is: This package is installed if a pattern is selected to have a working update path and the file list says: /usr/share/doc/packages/patterns-openSUSE /usr/share/doc/packages/patterns-openSUSE/kde4_pure.txt I checked the kde4_pure.txt file... and it has the very unhelpful text: This file marks the pattern kde4_pure to be installed. and nothing else. So.. installing Gnome is not so straight forward or obvious... - Why doesn't Gnome have One-Click links on the Wiki? - What is the "accepted" method of installing Gnome Stable (and Factory) in 11.2 after a default KDE4 install? - How do you find out what's in a metapackage, and make an informed decision to remove or keep a metapackage? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/03/2009 02:43 PM, Clayton pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
So, I've installed 11.2 on a test-bed computer, using all defaults to get KDE4. I've updated to KDE4.3.4, and now it's time to install Gnome. I'd like to install Gnome Factory, but I'll settle for the stable version from the 11.2 repos to get started.
There's no one-click install for Gnome that I can find on the openSUSE Wiki... Why not? KDE4 has them... is there any reason Gnome doesn't?
If I go into YaST and find the most logical metapackage for installing Gnome, "patterns-openSUSE-Gnome" and select it for installation, YaST wants to remove "patterns-openSUSE-kde4_pure"... whatever that is. I've searched the docs, the Wiki and general searching with Google... lots of references to that package but nothing that tells me what it is, or what will be missing if I remove it.
Gnome is a bully and wants to be the only one on the block. I had a similar problem with gnome-control-panel, when I went to do an update parts of KDE were going to be removed until I first deleted gnome-control-panel. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2009-12-03 at 20:43 +0100, Clayton wrote:
So, I've installed 11.2 on a test-bed computer, using all defaults to get KDE4. I've updated to KDE4.3.4, and now it's time to install Gnome. I'd like to install Gnome Factory, but I'll settle for the stable version from the 11.2 repos to get started.
There's no one-click install for Gnome that I can find on the openSUSE Wiki... Why not? KDE4 has them... is there any reason Gnome doesn't?
Dunno. But simply tell yast to install any gnome app, and the rest will be pulled in by dependencies. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAksYK7UACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WGPgCfVClI9RGVA+wY935RBQFrxnhs u5kAn2OIS4oy0CQasBh9IUZ7migglgnW =gjdi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday, 2009-12-03 at 20:43 +0100, Clayton wrote:
So, I've installed 11.2 on a test-bed computer, using all defaults to get KDE4. I've updated to KDE4.3.4, and now it's time to install Gnome. I'd like to install Gnome Factory, but I'll settle for the stable version from the 11.2 repos to get started.
There's no one-click install for Gnome that I can find on the openSUSE Wiki... Why not? KDE4 has them... is there any reason Gnome doesn't?
If I go into YaST and find the most logical metapackage for installing Gnome, "patterns-openSUSE-Gnome" and select it for installation, YaST wants to remove "patterns-openSUSE-kde4_pure"... whatever that is. I've searched the docs, the Wiki and general searching with Google... lots of references to that package but nothing that tells me what it is, or what will be missing if I remove it.
How are you filtering the packages in Yast? If you choose "Patterns" for the filter, you will find a section for Graphical Environments, and the Gnome DE patterns below that. I have both Gnome and KDE4 installed, but not 'patterns-openSUSE-kde4_pure.' By the description, it is "installed if a pattern is selected to have a working update path." The package contains one file, '/usr/share/doc/packages/patterns-openSUSE/kde4_pure.txt.' I don't know why Gnome wants to remove it, but KDE will run without it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
How are you filtering the packages in Yast? If you choose "Patterns" for the filter, you will find a section for Graphical Environments, and the Gnome DE patterns below that.
Software Manager > RPM Groups > Metapackages > patterns-openSUSE-Gnome There seemed to be no other logical way of ensuring I got a full/default Gnome install since there is no One-Click for Gnome. Picking some random Gnome package and crossing my fingers that the rest of the default Gnome install is pulled with it as dependencies seems like a really poor way of installing Gnome as a second DE.
I have both Gnome and KDE4 installed, but not 'patterns-openSUSE-kde4_pure.'
Which did you install first? Gnome or KDE4? If you installed KDE4 first, you will have patterns-openSUSE-kde4_pure installed. Once you've got both, you won't have that package since it conflicts with Gnome.
By the description, it is "installed if a pattern is selected to have a working update path." The package contains one file, '/usr/share/doc/packages/patterns-openSUSE/kde4_pure.txt.' I don't know why Gnome wants to remove it, but KDE will run without it.
It appears to be meaningless... if it's not needed why is it selected and installed with a default KDE4 install on 11.2? It's certainly caught a number of people tinkering with 11.2. I've found several Google hits on it while trying to figure out what it was and why it needed to be removed. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 07:30 +0100, Clayton wrote:
How are you filtering the packages in Yast? If you choose "Patterns" for the filter, you will find a section for Graphical Environments, and the Gnome DE patterns below that.
Software Manager > RPM Groups > Metapackages > patterns-openSUSE-Gnome
There seemed to be no other logical way of ensuring I got a full/default Gnome install since there is no One-Click for Gnome. Picking some random Gnome package and crossing my fingers that the rest of the default Gnome install is pulled with it as dependencies seems like a really poor way of installing Gnome as a second DE.
Installing a Gnome package will add the required Gnome base and libs, not the DE.
I have both Gnome and KDE4 installed, but not 'patterns-openSUSE-kde4_pure.'
Which did you install first? Gnome or KDE4? If you installed KDE4 first, you will have patterns-openSUSE-kde4_pure installed. Once you've got both, you won't have that package since it conflicts with Gnome.
Gnome was chosen as the default, but I don't have "pure" Gnome or "pure" KDE.
By the description, it is "installed if a pattern is selected to have a working update path." The package contains one file, '/usr/share/doc/packages/patterns-openSUSE/kde4_pure.txt.' I don't know why Gnome wants to remove it, but KDE will run without it.
It appears to be meaningless... if it's not needed why is it selected and installed with a default KDE4 install on 11.2? It's certainly caught a number of people tinkering with 11.2. I've found several Google hits on it while trying to figure out what it was and why it needed to be removed.
I'm curious as to what these files residing in 'patterns-openSUSE' are now. I have 55 text files, all with a single line "This file marks the pattern xxx to be installed." None have been modified since the 11.2 installation. They must be used as a reference for Yast/zypper. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Installing a Gnome package will add the required Gnome base and libs, not the DE.
Exactly what I thought... I was wondering when someone else suggested that. Selecting a Gnome app will only drag along the dependencies.. not the whole DE.
Gnome was chosen as the default, but I don't have "pure" Gnome or "pure" KDE.
That will make the difference then. That odd kde_pure pattern only shows up in a KDE4 default install.
I'm curious as to what these files residing in 'patterns-openSUSE' are now. I have 55 text files, all with a single line "This file marks the pattern xxx to be installed." None have been modified since the 11.2 installation. They must be used as a reference for Yast/zypper.
If you figure it out, speak up :-) I suppose the other option is to email the maintainer directly... his info is in the change logs. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2009-12-04 at 17:06 +0100, Clayton wrote:
Installing a Gnome package will add the required Gnome base and libs, not the DE.
Exactly what I thought... I was wondering when someone else suggested that. Selecting a Gnome app will only drag along the dependencies.. not the whole DE.
Well, that's what I have always done, before patterns were invented :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEUEARECAAYFAksZw7oACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WsqwCgkZ31LxryO123Wm/jxvKzitjj yvwAl0gu7KJBVLSjpXEuHcQbHZ/1meQ= =rd4j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Installing a Gnome package will add the required Gnome base and libs, not the DE.
Exactly what I thought... I was wondering when someone else suggested that. Selecting a Gnome app will only drag along the dependencies.. not the whole DE.
Well, that's what I have always done, before patterns were invented :-)
I'm sitting here thinking.. what did I do before patterns.. I've had machines with both DEs installed before... the way I think used to do it was to use YaST, and the RPM Groups view... drill down until I found the Gnome group and select the packages... Anyway, moot point now that there's packages No one has yet answered the real questions here though... what is the kde4_pure package? Why does it conflict with Gnome if it has no contents? If it has no contents, why is it there? and.. why is there no One-Click for Gnome? There is no "new user" method of installing Gnome once they have KDE4 up and running. I don't know how to set up a One-Click (and it's not real high on my list of priorities since I only use Gnome on a test machine... it's not my preferred DE... that said, I do think there should be an easy method of installing Gnome). C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Installing a Gnome package will add the required Gnome base and libs, not the DE.
Exactly what I thought... I was wondering when someone else suggested that. Selecting a Gnome app will only drag along the dependencies.. not the whole DE.
Well, that's what I have always done, before patterns were invented :-)
I'm sitting here thinking.. what did I do before patterns.. I've had machines with both DEs installed before... the way I think used to do it was to use YaST, and the RPM Groups view... drill down until I found the Gnome group and select the packages...
Yes, you can select, for example, Nautilus, and most of gnome will be installed.
Anyway, moot point now that there's packages
You mean "patterns", I suppose :-)
No one has yet answered the real questions here though... what is the kde4_pure package? Why does it conflict with Gnome if it has no contents? If it has no contents, why is it there?
It is, I think, a metapackage. A false package that brings, by dependencies, all of kde. A packager trick. And the "pure" probably means "no other desktop, I want kde purely and solely". Thus installing other desktop would break that idea, so it is uninstalled. No big deal, uninstall it. You say it contains nothing? Uninstall it. For an authoritative answer, ask devs, or in the packaging list, perhaps.
and.. why is there no One-Click for Gnome?
Where, in the wiki? Perhaps no one has thought of creating it.
There is no "new user" method of installing Gnome once they have KDE4 up and running.
Well, as what I install during a fresh install is Gnome, I can't duplicate your problem. In this machine I have both gnome and kde installed (oS 11.0), no problem. But I just fired the qt version of yast in 11.2 in another machine, selected the "patterns" tab, and right at the top of the left hand panel I see "Gnome desktop environment" and "gnome base system" (plus the equivalent for kde4, which in my case are not selected). Just select those two gnome patterns. Doesn't that work for you? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAksaPhYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U4dgCeM3O+IujJGGO/yATRTdGtYRal 1gMAoJAucXe7JyKsa0MCgjKGb/wcvtPh =TuJM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Anyway, moot point now that there's packages
You mean "patterns", I suppose :-)
:-P Yup
It is, I think, a metapackage. A false package that brings, by dependencies, all of kde. A packager trick. And the "pure" probably means "no other desktop, I want kde purely and solely". Thus installing other desktop would break that idea, so it is uninstalled. No big deal, uninstall it. You say it contains nothing? Uninstall it.
Yes it is a metapackage... it's listed in the Metapackage in YaST. I "think" it contains nothing... I cannot find anything associated with it... except one meaningless txt file.
and.. why is there no One-Click for Gnome?
Where, in the wiki? Perhaps no one has thought of creating it.
Yes. There are One-Clicks for KDE4... one for Stable, one for Factory and so on. I'm surprised I guess... that after all the kerfuffle recently that Gnome was not made easier to install for new users who are running KDE4 - I'm not looking at it from my own personal perspective with around 12 years of openSUSE behind me... I'm looking at it from the perspective of the new users I introduce to openSUSE... something I do all the time (in fact the most recent was just 4 days ago). Telling them to pick a random Gnome package and cross their fingers that they get the whole of Gnome is a pretty poor way of doing it.. I went with the patterns solution.. and then there was the worried question.. why is it removing KDE4? when kde4_pure came up.
But I just fired the qt version of yast in 11.2 in another machine, selected the "patterns" tab, and right at the top of the left hand panel I see "Gnome desktop environment" and "gnome base system" (plus the equivalent for kde4, which in my case are not selected). Just select those two gnome patterns.
Doesn't that work for you?
Yes, but it yells about kde4_pure which worries the new users... I'm looking for a couple things.. a simple way to install Gnome.. ie the One-Click which KDE already has. The patterns work too... but that one package... it needs a better description... or shouldn't be there in the first place. I could open a bug report on it I guess. I dunno... I'm not a Gnome user... I've used KDE since the beginning of KDE. I don't plan on using Gnome much at all except to experiment, and hopefully participate in the rework that some are working on for the GTK Software Manager. In the end I don't care for my own system... but I am encountering it as a problem with the new users I help out. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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