I currently run KDE/Plasma as my desktop. My main 'always on' applications are Thunderbird and Firefox". Yes I run other apps, but those are the 'always on' and yes they take a great deal of memory/swap and at start-up are heavy on network bandwidth and on CPU. But when I run 'top' to what's going on, the other "100% cpu" entry is 'plasmashell'. Is KDE really that heavy a desktop? Can I make it lighter? Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops? Perhaps if I boot into what used to be called 'state 3' rather than 'state 5' then I can run 'startx' and somehow try another desktop ??? Any idea how? -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
Dne středa 6. ledna 2021 16:42:03 CET, Anton Aylward napsal(a):
But when I run 'top' to what's going on, the other "100% cpu" entry is 'plasmashell'.
This can be often by simple widget, some desktop effect or so. Some time ago I had such issues with some CPU monitor, with too much calendars displayed in the calendar widget and so on. Try first to investigate these. Might be go back to default settings. Change of compositor driver might also help. -- Vojtěch Zeisek https://trapa.cz/ Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/
On 06/01/2021 11:03, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne středa 6. ledna 2021 16:42:03 CET, Anton Aylward napsal(a):
But when I run 'top' to what's going on, the other "100% cpu" entry is 'plasmashell'.
This can be often by simple widget, some desktop effect or so. Some time ago I had such issues with some CPU monitor, with too much calendars displayed in the calendar widget and so on. Try first to investigate these. Might be go back to default settings. Change of compositor driver might also help.
none of the above. I turned off the clock widget - no change I changed rendering through the openGL - no change. Plashmashell remains about the 100% on one CPU core. -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
* Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> [01-06-21 10:46]:
I currently run KDE/Plasma as my desktop.
My main 'always on' applications are Thunderbird and Firefox". Yes I run other apps, but those are the 'always on' and yes they take a great deal of memory/swap and at start-up are heavy on network bandwidth and on CPU. But when I run 'top' to what's going on, the other "100% cpu" entry is 'plasmashell'.
turn off composting, appears to use less "cpu". plasmashell should not be using 100% cpu USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND paka 3358 3.9 1.0 2596320 369840 ? Sl 08:56 5:10/usr/bin/plasmashell
Is KDE really that heavy a desktop? Can I make it lighter?
no, really it is not. I have seen studies showing it just more that xfce
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops?
in a console window startx /usr/bin/<desktop-of-your-choice> works for me
Perhaps if I boot into what used to be called 'state 3' rather than 'state 5' then I can run 'startx' and somehow try another desktop ??? Any idea how?
you do not need to be in "state 3", aka multi-user.target to run startx and if you want "state 3" to be the boot target, all you need to do is to systemctl enable multi-user systemctl set-default multi-user to go back systemctl enable graphical systemctl set-default graphical -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode
On 06/01/2021 17.21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Anton Aylward <> [01-06-21 10:46]:
...
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops?
in a console window startx /usr/bin/<desktop-of-your-choice>
works for me
Problem is, you may not have access to sound or usb sticks that way. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [01-06-21 17:24]:
On 06/01/2021 17.21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Anton Aylward <> [01-06-21 10:46]:
...
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops?
in a console window startx /usr/bin/<desktop-of-your-choice>
works for me
Problem is, you may not have access to sound or usb sticks that way.
just tested and I have both. note: as I am currently under censorship and my posts suffer great time delays, I have copied to you personally. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode
On 06/01/2021 23.49, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [01-06-21 17:24]:
On 06/01/2021 17.21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Anton Aylward <> [01-06-21 10:46]:
...
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops?
in a console window startx /usr/bin/<desktop-of-your-choice>
works for me
Problem is, you may not have access to sound or usb sticks that way.
just tested and I have both.
Only if you are doing some mitigation, like having your user in special groups. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [01-06-21 19:10]:
On 06/01/2021 23.49, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [01-06-21 17:24]:
On 06/01/2021 17.21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Anton Aylward <> [01-06-21 10:46]:
...
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops?
in a console window startx /usr/bin/<desktop-of-your-choice>
works for me
Problem is, you may not have access to sound or usb sticks that way.
just tested and I have both.
Only if you are doing some mitigation, like having your user in special groups.
iiuc that is why groups exist. what is your point? note: as I am currently under censorship and my posts suffer great time delays, I have copied to you personally. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode
On 07/01/2021 01.20, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [01-06-21 19:10]:
On 06/01/2021 23.49, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [01-06-21 17:24]:
On 06/01/2021 17.21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Anton Aylward <> [01-06-21 10:46]:
...
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops?
in a console window startx /usr/bin/<desktop-of-your-choice>
works for me
Problem is, you may not have access to sound or usb sticks that way.
just tested and I have both.
Only if you are doing some mitigation, like having your user in special groups.
iiuc that is why groups exist. what is your point?
You are using a deprecated method. startx is not supported. One of the jobs of the display manager is to adapt the peripherals using ACLS so that the user in the seat has access to them. You are using the ancient method, which will not work out of the box on any default openSUSE installation. My point is mentioning the problems someone using startx will face. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 10:42:03 -0500 Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> wrote:
I currently run KDE/Plasma as my desktop.
My main 'always on' applications are Thunderbird and Firefox". Yes I run other apps, but those are the 'always on' and yes they take a great deal of memory/swap and at start-up are heavy on network bandwidth and on CPU. But when I run 'top' to what's going on, the other "100% cpu" entry is 'plasmashell'.
Is KDE really that heavy a desktop? Can I make it lighter?
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops?
Does the GUI login prompt screen not offer the possibility to change the desktop? Only to anything you have installed of course.
Perhaps if I boot into what used to be called 'state 3' rather than 'state 5' then I can run 'startx' and somehow try another desktop ??? Any idea how?
On 06/01/2021 11:31, Dave Howorth wrote:
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops? Does the GUI login prompt screen not offer the possibility to change the desktop? Only to anything you have installed of course.
It used to, but then I changed to SDDM which doesn't seem to. Or perhaps that's an option hidden in a SDDM config file somewhere. -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
sorry for dup post, you know the reason * Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> [01-06-21 11:45]:
On 06/01/2021 11:31, Dave Howorth wrote:
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops? Does the GUI login prompt screen not offer the possibility to change the desktop? Only to anything you have installed of course.
It used to, but then I changed to SDDM which doesn't seem to. Or perhaps that's an option hidden in a SDDM config file somewhere.
the option is somewhat hidden, lower left iirc and mentions your current selection/option, plasma -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode
On 06/01/2021 11:52, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
It used to, but then I changed to SDDM which doesn't seem to. Or perhaps that's an option hidden in a SDDM config file somewhere.
the option is somewhat hidden, lower left iirc and mentions your current selection/option, plasma
"Somewhat hidden" is right. There's a pop-up list but it is 'mostly hidden' off the bottom of the screen -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 07:52:05 -0500 Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> wrote:
On 06/01/2021 11:52, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
It used to, but then I changed to SDDM which doesn't seem to. Or perhaps that's an option hidden in a SDDM config file somewhere.
the option is somewhat hidden, lower left iirc and mentions your current selection/option, plasma
"Somewhat hidden" is right. There's a pop-up list but it is 'mostly hidden' off the bottom of the screen
Do you perhaps need to adjust the screen scan size /overscan?
On 07/01/2021 10:04, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 07:52:05 -0500 Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> wrote:
On 06/01/2021 11:52, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
It used to, but then I changed to SDDM which doesn't seem to. Or perhaps that's an option hidden in a SDDM config file somewhere.
the option is somewhat hidden, lower left iirc and mentions your current selection/option, plasma
"Somewhat hidden" is right. There's a pop-up list but it is 'mostly hidden' off the bottom of the screen
Do you perhaps need to adjust the screen scan size /overscan?
Oh, I realise that! I do it using lxrandr in the KDE startup config What I don't know is how to do it so SDDM. boot/grub2, yes. SDDM no. So much of SDDM is perplexing ; perhaps I should go back to XDM. If I could figure out how. -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 11:58:43 -0500 Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> wrote:
On 07/01/2021 10:04, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 07:52:05 -0500 Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> wrote:
On 06/01/2021 11:52, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
It used to, but then I changed to SDDM which doesn't seem to. Or perhaps that's an option hidden in a SDDM config file somewhere.
the option is somewhat hidden, lower left iirc and mentions your current selection/option, plasma
"Somewhat hidden" is right. There's a pop-up list but it is 'mostly hidden' off the bottom of the screen
Do you perhaps need to adjust the screen scan size /overscan?
Oh, I realise that! I do it using lxrandr in the KDE startup config
What I don't know is how to do it so SDDM. boot/grub2, yes. SDDM no.
So much of SDDM is perplexing ; perhaps I should go back to XDM. If I could figure out how.
Dunno. I use lightdm :)
On 08/01/2021 17.58, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 07/01/2021 10:04, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 07:52:05 -0500 Anton Aylward <> wrote:
On 06/01/2021 11:52, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
It used to, but then I changed to SDDM which doesn't seem to. Or perhaps that's an option hidden in a SDDM config file somewhere.
the option is somewhat hidden, lower left iirc and mentions your current selection/option, plasma
"Somewhat hidden" is right. There's a pop-up list but it is 'mostly hidden' off the bottom of the screen
Do you perhaps need to adjust the screen scan size /overscan?
What? That thing is not needed on a digital display.
Oh, I realise that! I do it using lxrandr in the KDE startup config
What I don't know is how to do it so SDDM. boot/grub2, yes. SDDM no.
So much of SDDM is perplexing ; perhaps I should go back to XDM. If I could figure out how.
The alternative module in YaST. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 11:40:01 -0500 Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> wrote:
On 06/01/2021 11:31, Dave Howorth wrote:
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops? Does the GUI login prompt screen not offer the possibility to change the desktop? Only to anything you have installed of course.
It used to, but then I changed to SDDM which doesn't seem to. Or perhaps that's an option hidden in a SDDM config file somewhere.
I don't use it but every image I can find online of an SDDM screen shows a 'Sessions' pull-down.
On ?roda, 6 stycznia 2021 17:40:01 CET Anton Aylward wrote:
On 06/01/2021 11:31, Dave Howorth wrote:
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops?
Does the GUI login prompt screen not offer the possibility to change the desktop? Only to anything you have installed of course.
It used to, but then I changed to SDDM which doesn't seem to. Or perhaps that's an option hidden in a SDDM config file somewhere. Have you looked in the bottom left corner?
Regards Rados?aw Wyrzykowski
On 06/01/2021 17.40, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 06/01/2021 11:31, Dave Howorth wrote:
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops? Does the GUI login prompt screen not offer the possibility to change the desktop? Only to anything you have installed of course.
It used to, but then I changed to SDDM which doesn't seem to.
sddm does have the menu to choose another desktop. Left lower corner in small print. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 1/6/21 4:42 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
I currently run KDE/Plasma as my desktop.
My main 'always on' applications are Thunderbird and Firefox". Yes I run other apps, but those are the 'always on' and yes they take a great deal of memory/swap and at start-up are heavy on network bandwidth and on CPU. But when I run 'top' to what's going on, the other "100% cpu" entry is 'plasmashell'.
Is KDE really that heavy a desktop? Can I make it lighter?
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops? Perhaps if I boot into what used to be called 'state 3' rather than 'state 5' then I can run 'startx' and somehow try another desktop ??? Any idea how?
It used to be setting the WINDOWMANAGER environment variable in '~/.xinitrc'. Not sure it still works. I had 'openbox' there. ;-) Have a nice day, Berny
A simple way to exclude all configuration items is, create a fresh new additional account for your measurements and debugging. This cpu use for kde is not normal. Cheers On 06-01-2021 16:42, Anton Aylward wrote:
I currently run KDE/Plasma as my desktop.
My main 'always on' applications are Thunderbird and Firefox". Yes I run other apps, but those are the 'always on' and yes they take a great deal of memory/swap and at start-up are heavy on network bandwidth and on CPU. But when I run 'top' to what's going on, the other "100% cpu" entry is 'plasmashell'.
Is KDE really that heavy a desktop? Can I make it lighter?
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops? Perhaps if I boot into what used to be called 'state 3' rather than 'state 5' then I can run 'startx' and somehow try another desktop ??? Any idea how?
Am 06.01.21 um 16:42 schrieb Anton Aylward:
I currently run KDE/Plasma as my desktop.
My main 'always on' applications are Thunderbird and Firefox". Yes I run other apps, but those are the 'always on' and yes they take a great deal of memory/swap and at start-up are heavy on network bandwidth and on CPU. But when I run 'top' to what's going on, the other "100% cpu" entry is 'plasmashell'.
Some indexing? Try deactivating file search in probably: System settings/file search (German: Systemeinstellungen/Dateisuche) Peter
On 06/01/2021 22.14, Peter McD wrote:
Am 06.01.21 um 16:42 schrieb Anton Aylward:
I currently run KDE/Plasma as my desktop.
My main 'always on' applications are Thunderbird and Firefox". Yes I run other apps, but those are the 'always on' and yes they take a great deal of memory/swap and at start-up are heavy on network bandwidth and on CPU. But when I run 'top' to what's going on, the other "100% cpu" entry is 'plasmashell'.
Some indexing? Try deactivating file search in probably: System settings/file search (German: Systemeinstellungen/Dateisuche)
That would show in "top" as a different program running 100% load. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Am 06.01.21 um 22:52 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 06/01/2021 22.14, Peter McD wrote:
Am 06.01.21 um 16:42 schrieb Anton Aylward:
I currently run KDE/Plasma as my desktop.
My main 'always on' applications are Thunderbird and Firefox". Yes I run other apps, but those are the 'always on' and yes they take a great deal of memory/swap and at start-up are heavy on network bandwidth and on CPU. But when I run 'top' to what's going on, the other "100% cpu" entry is 'plasmashell'. Some indexing? Try deactivating file search in probably: System settings/file search (German: Systemeinstellungen/Dateisuche)
That would show in "top" as a different program running 100% load.
True. Here top shows plasmashell is less than 0.3% CPU load (Leap 15.2) I would create an other users and find out whether there is the same problem. Peter
On 1/6/21 9:42 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
I currently run KDE/Plasma as my desktop.
My main 'always on' applications are Thunderbird and Firefox". Yes I run other apps, but those are the 'always on' and yes they take a great deal of memory/swap and at start-up are heavy on network bandwidth and on CPU. But when I run 'top' to what's going on, the other "100% cpu" entry is 'plasmashell'.
Is KDE really that heavy a desktop? Can I make it lighter?
It's not that it is that heavy once it completes startup and is running, it is the relative eon it takes to get there. Yes, you can make KDE lighter, switch to KDE3. Firefox and Tbird remain up and running for weeks at a time without any problems.
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops?
Yes, just install a desktop of your choice. I really, really like Fluxbox if not running KDE3. Microscopically light. Use parcellite as the clipboard manager and pasystray for your volume manager. I believe fluxbox is now in the main repo, but if not, you can find it: https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/windowmanagers/ It is a traditional Linux desktop, right-click to get your menu. Dead-bang simple to configure, you have your: ~/.fluxbox/menu ~/.fluxbox/startup and that does 99% of the configuration. Blistering fast, loads in just a few hundred K (not M) of RAM. Other desktops I like, LXQT isn't bad, LXDE (gtk2 version), openbox. I have never liked Xfce as it is just a base desktop with a snappy (but too limited) configuration utility so you end up having to configure by hand anyway. LXDE (gtk3 version) suffers the same problems all gtk3 desktop suffer from, a dearth of usable themes, spacings and sizes set by .css offloaded to the theme with no control over how things display other than using a couple of settings tools or writing your own theme. But you boil it all down, and none provide anything better or faster than good old fluxbox and nothing simpler to configure. If you are going to have to choose you own collection of apps anyway if not using KDE or Gnome desktop, then you may as well go with something that makes it very easy to do. I even have a 1/2 dozen or so of my favorite themes I can send you :)
Perhaps if I boot into what used to be called 'state 3' rather than 'state 5' then I can run 'startx' and somehow try another desktop ??? Any idea how?
Just change your default systemd target to 'multi-user' instead of 'graphical' and you will boot to old runlevel 3. graphical target is runlevel 5. You can set the default with # systemctl set-default multi-user.target Or manually with: # ln -s /lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target /etc/systemd/system/default.target -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 1/6/21 5:34 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Or manually with:
# ln -s /lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target /etc/systemd/system/default.target
I guess that should formally be: # ln -sf /lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target /etc/systemd/system/default.target -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
In data mercoledì 6 gennaio 2021 16:42:03 CET, Anton Aylward ha scritto:
I currently run KDE/Plasma as my desktop.
My main 'always on' applications are Thunderbird and Firefox". Yes I run other apps, but those are the 'always on' and yes they take a great deal of memory/swap and at start-up are heavy on network bandwidth and on CPU. But when I run 'top' to what's going on, the other "100% cpu" entry is 'plasmashell'.
Is KDE really that heavy a desktop? Can I make it lighter?
Without reconfiguring, can I try out other desktops? Perhaps if I boot into what used to be called 'state 3' rather than 'state 5' then I can run 'startx' and somehow try another desktop ??? Any idea how? If you are running the 15.2 version of Leap and KDE the solution is to change distribution. Sorry for being so clear. These are clearly unfixed bugs of the distribution, I did not find them in other distributions. Maybe you could change to TW.
Dne čtvrtek 7. ledna 2021 10:35:32 CET, Stakanov napsal(a):
If you are running the 15.2 version of Leap and KDE the solution is to change distribution. Sorry for being so clear. These are clearly unfixed bugs of the distribution, I did not find them in other distributions. Maybe you could change to TW.
For example? I (and my colleagues) run KDE on TW as well as Leap 15.2, and I don't hear complains. ;) -- Vojtěch Zeisek https://trapa.cz/ Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/
In data giovedì 7 gennaio 2021 10:58:09 CET, Vojtěch Zeisek ha scritto:
Dne čtvrtek 7. ledna 2021 10:35:32 CET, Stakanov napsal(a):
If you are running the 15.2 version of Leap and KDE the solution is to change distribution. Sorry for being so clear. These are clearly unfixed bugs of the distribution, I did not find them in other distributions. Maybe you could change to TW.
For example? I (and my colleagues) run KDE on TW as well as Leap 15.2, and I don't hear complains. ;)
I do not want to be mean. But: 100% Cpu load confirmed in 15.2 broken and borked IMAP indexes with data loss, confirmed by many in KDE PIM 15.2 unbearable slowness in KDE PIM (you need about a day to do an archiving) crashing archiving function (has now been fixed... hopefully). I run KDE on TW without problem. But the Leap version of 15.2 has issues, I assure you. And I tried twice and did twice a full drop back fresh install of 15.1. And that's all about it.
On 07/01/2021 07:08, Stakanov wrote:
I do not want to be mean. But: 100% Cpu load confirmed in 15.2 broken and borked IMAP indexes with data loss, confirmed by many in KDE PIM 15.2 unbearable slowness in KDE PIM (you need about a day to do an archiving) crashing archiving function (has now been fixed... hopefully).
Not an issue for me. I don't use KDE PIM, I don't use KDE Mail. I don't use baloo. Perhaps you can suggest what else about my 15.1 KDE might be responsible. Maybe I shouldn't be using KDE at all, but some of it utilities are just to useful. -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 08:51:33 -0500 Anton Aylward <opensuse@antonaylward.com> wrote:
On 07/01/2021 07:08, Stakanov wrote:
I do not want to be mean. But: 100% Cpu load confirmed in 15.2 broken and borked IMAP indexes with data loss, confirmed by many in KDE PIM 15.2 unbearable slowness in KDE PIM (you need about a day to do an archiving) crashing archiving function (has now been fixed... hopefully).
Not an issue for me. I don't use KDE PIM, I don't use KDE Mail. I don't use baloo.
Perhaps you can suggest what else about my 15.1 KDE might be responsible.
Maybe I shouldn't be using KDE at all, but some of it utilities are just to useful.
You don't have to use the KDE desktop to use the applications. I run LXDE with some KDE apps for example.
On 07/01/2021 07:08, Stakanov wrote:
I do not want to be mean. But: 100% Cpu load confirmed in 15.2 broken and borked IMAP indexes with data loss, confirmed by many in KDE PIM 15.2 unbearable slowness in KDE PIM (you need about a day to do an archiving) crashing archiving function (has now been fixed... hopefully).
Not an issue for me. I don't use KDE PIM, I don't use KDE Mail. I don't use baloo.
Perhaps you can suggest what else about my 15.1 KDE might be responsible.
Maybe I shouldn't be using KDE at all, but some of it utilities are just to useful. So you are using KDE Leap 15.1. In this version you may have the following problems in my experience: it swaps without not reasons reaching 100% of memory while using Firefox and the system idling. This can be solved either by using another browser or by setting tentatively
In data giovedì 7 gennaio 2021 14:51:33 CET, Anton Aylward ha scritto: the swap to off. Normally this system (8 GB) does not swap because it has to, but because for some reasons the swap problematic is there (it vanishes in 15.2, which is, on that behalf (memory leak, swapping) better than 15.1 IF and only IF you are not using PIM. Actually, the swap problem was completely solved for me with Plasma and 15.2. But it broke PIM (as I am a PIM user that is bad luck). I am using on this system privoxy and this had a memory leak recently fixed, which made the problem slightly better. But a few moments ago the system went down with one process blocking (without me noticing which one, I do not find why) because reaching 128°C. If you do not use baloo and you do not use PIM I really would invite you to change to 15.2.
On 07/01/2021 16:09, Stakanov wrote:
On 07/01/2021 07:08, Stakanov wrote:
I do not want to be mean. But: 100% Cpu load confirmed in 15.2 broken and borked IMAP indexes with data loss, confirmed by many in KDE PIM 15.2 unbearable slowness in KDE PIM (you need about a day to do an archiving) crashing archiving function (has now been fixed... hopefully).
Not an issue for me. I don't use KDE PIM, I don't use KDE Mail. I don't use baloo.
Perhaps you can suggest what else about my 15.1 KDE might be responsible.
Maybe I shouldn't be using KDE at all, but some of it utilities are just to useful. So you are using KDE Leap 15.1. In this version you may have the following problems in my experience: it swaps without not reasons reaching 100% of memory while using Firefox and the system idling. This can be solved either by using another browser or by setting tentatively
In data giovedì 7 gennaio 2021 14:51:33 CET, Anton Aylward ha scritto: the swap to off. Normally this system (8 GB) does not swap because it has to, but because for some reasons the swap problematic is there (it vanishes in 15.2, which is, on that behalf (memory leak, swapping) better than 15.1 IF and only IF you are not using PIM. Actually, the swap problem was completely solved for me with Plasma and 15.2. But it broke PIM (as I am a PIM user that is bad luck). I am using on this system privoxy and this had a memory leak recently fixed, which made the problem slightly better. But a few moments ago the system went down with one process blocking (without me noticing which one, I do not find why) because reaching 128°C. If you do not use baloo and you do not use PIM I really would invite you to change to 15.2.
I used KDE/Leap 15.1 for on a long time on my professional laptop (now upgraded to 15.2) and still use KDE/Leap 15.1 on my home desktop. Firefox is my default browser and is typically always open, but I've never witnessed swapping or CPU saturation in this context (and I have the resource monitor widget on the desktop on both machines). I can't personally comment on KMail/KDE PIM under 15.2 as I don't use it, but a colleague of mine does. He upgraded to 15.2 long before me, and he never mentioned any issue of the sort when we discussed the upgrade. Just my 2¢ Ph. A. -- *Philippe Andersson* Unix System Administrator IBA Particle Therapy | Tel: +32-10-475.983 Fax: +32-10-487.707 eMail: pan@iba-group.com <http://www.iba-worldwide.com> Disclaimer | Use of IBA e-communication<https://iba-worldwide.com/disclaimer> The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the recipient (s) named above. This communication is intended to be and to remain confidential and may be protected by intellectual property rights. Any use of the information contained herein (including but not limited to, total or partial reproduction, communication or distribution of any form) by persons other than the designated recipient(s) is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Ion Beam Applications does not accept liability for any such errors. Thank you for your cooperation.
In data giovedì 7 gennaio 2021 16:23:02 CET, Philippe Andersson ha scritto:
I used KDE/Leap 15.1 for on a long time on my professional laptop (now upgraded to 15.2) and still use KDE/Leap 15.1 on my home desktop. Firefox is my default browser and is typically always open, but I've never witnessed swapping or CPU saturation in this context (and I have the resource monitor widget on the desktop on both machines).
I can't personally comment on KMail/KDE PIM under 15.2 as I don't use it, but a colleague of mine does. He upgraded to 15.2 long before me, and he never mentioned any issue of the sort when we discussed the upgrade.
Well, the problems are documented in bugzilla and several German user in the german list have also encountered the problem. It may depend on how fast the CPU is? I just can say how to reproduce it. And I know (because I installed it) that in 15.2 it is gone as problem. The PIM problem you have it with Mariadb and IMAP with large databases. Did not try with Postgres (which was broken on release btw and fixed only afterwards. I will do another installation try in about two weeks to see if it works now with all the fixes of half a year. But as he don't use PIM he actually SHOULD update.
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