[opensuse] Retail vs. download version?
Hello- I'm going to help a friend upgrade their system from SuSE 10.0 to OpenSUSE 10.3 at the weekend and I'm strugging to get my head round the difference between the download and boxed (retail) version. He's given me the latest boxed version of SuSE, seems to be two install DVDs. I also have a download version, openSUSE-10.3-GM-KDE-i386.iso. This appeals because it's a CD image, the server doesn't have a DVD drive, only a CD drive, so installing from the boxed DVDs would appear to be slightly tricky :-) If I install from the download version, presumably there are packages which won't be available? Exim is one that springs to mind - the machine currently runs exim and my friend prefers it to postfix. Can I install from the download version and then copy the retail DVDs on to the server's hard drive and make all the packages available simply by changing the install source? Is there going to be a problem with updates if I do this, or do all of SuSE's update servers have ALL the updates, not just updates for the download version? Thanks for your help, Jim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
"Sbs Bofh"
Hello-
I'm going to help a friend upgrade their system from SuSE 10.0 to OpenSUSE 10.3 at the weekend and I'm strugging to get my head round the difference between the download and boxed (retail) version.
He's given me the latest boxed version of SuSE, seems to be two install DVDs.
I also have a download version, openSUSE-10.3-GM-KDE-i386.iso. This appeals because it's a CD image, the server doesn't have a DVD drive, only a CD drive, so installing from the boxed DVDs would appear to be slightly tricky :-)
If I install from the download version, presumably there are packages which won't be available? Exim is one that springs to mind - the machine currently runs exim and my friend prefers it to postfix.
Can I install from the download version and then copy the retail DVDs on to the server's hard drive and make all the packages available simply by changing the install source?
Yes, you can add our full ftp trees - either directly before installation if you are behind a router or in the installed system. If you install from CD only (without network installation sources directly) it will remove those packages - like exim - that are not on the media. You have to install those again after the install.
Is there going to be a problem with updates if I do this, or do all of SuSE's update servers have ALL the updates, not just updates for the download version?
No problem at all - all the servers will have all updates, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Andreas Jaeger
"Sbs Bofh"
writes: Hello-
I'm going to help a friend upgrade their system from SuSE 10.0 to OpenSUSE 10.3 at the weekend and I'm strugging to get my head round the difference between the download and boxed (retail) version.
He's given me the latest boxed version of SuSE, seems to be two install DVDs.
I also have a download version, openSUSE-10.3-GM-KDE-i386.iso. This appeals because it's a CD image, the server doesn't have a DVD drive, only a CD drive, so installing from the boxed DVDs would appear to be slightly tricky :-)
If I install from the download version, presumably there are packages which won't be available? Exim is one that springs to mind - the machine currently runs exim and my friend prefers it to postfix.
Can I install from the download version and then copy the retail DVDs on to the server's hard drive and make all the packages available simply by changing the install source?
Yes, you can add our full ftp trees - either directly before installation if you are behind a router or in the installed system.
If you install from CD only (without network installation sources directly) it will remove those packages - like exim - that are not on the media. You have to install those again after the install.
Just to follow up on this point, do the public FTP trees contain ALL the content from the two retail DVDs? Thanks Jim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2008-02-28 at 11:32 +0100, Sbs Bofh wrote:
Just to follow up on this point, do the public FTP trees contain ALL the content from the two retail DVDs?
More, actually. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHxphJtTMYHG2NR9URAvcSAJ423aZdRwgZPmSQwW+0CjHLkkZ0gwCfdXD+ szF0wFsMhcO99Tad4xpG26M= =ehrJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I have the retail box. It has 2 Dual-Layer DVDs (13 GB of data total), for both 32-bit and 64-bit systems. It has a _lot_ more packages that standard downloadable CDs/DVDs. But All the packages can be downloaded from FTP. So this set is equal to the main FTP repository downloaded to local hard disk. In the future, I believe, with HD DVD/Blu-Ray downloadble media this difference will be eliminated. The problem is that current DVDs are too small to fit in full openSUSE 10.3 release. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Alexey Eremenko a écrit :
I have the retail box. It has 2 Dual-Layer DVDs (13 GB of data total), for both 32-bit and 64-bit systems.
yes
It has a _lot_ more packages that standard downloadable CDs/DVDs.
yes
But All the packages can be downloaded from FTP. So this set is equal to the main FTP repository downloaded to local hard disk.
no, not at all. * ftp have many more package than any dvd can hold * bowed set have some proprietary packages (aka mp3) that Novell paid licence for and that are not on official openSUSE repositories (but similar even if no identical applications can be found on community repositories) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://clairedodin.voices.com/ http://www.clairedodin.com/ http://claire.dodin.net/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2008-02-28 at 13:21 +0100, jdd wrote:
* bowed set have some proprietary packages (aka mp3) that Novell paid licence for and that are not on official openSUSE repositories (but similar even if no identical applications can be found on community repositories)
I have the boxed set and I'm not aware of that. Which package are you refering to exactly? I'd expect to see a notice somewhere informing of those packages. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHxrOztTMYHG2NR9URAhDrAJsFF0sjdm1cu1FRYHqG+YvZDpOu8gCggdXt g2V7/n6NXjF0lxndh+qvzTQ= =tAzp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi, Don't make things difficult only to spare the costs of a cheap dvd drive. Succes, Hans Sbs Bofh schreef:
Hello-
I'm going to help a friend upgrade their system from SuSE 10.0 to OpenSUSE 10.3 at the weekend and I'm strugging to get my head round the difference between the download and boxed (retail) version.
He's given me the latest boxed version of SuSE, seems to be two install DVDs.
I also have a download version, openSUSE-10.3-GM-KDE-i386.iso. This appeals because it's a CD image, the server doesn't have a DVD drive, only a CD drive, so installing from the boxed DVDs would appear to be slightly tricky :-)
If I install from the download version, presumably there are packages which won't be available? Exim is one that springs to mind - the machine currently runs exim and my friend prefers it to postfix.
Can I install from the download version and then copy the retail DVDs on to the server's hard drive and make all the packages available simply by changing the install source?
Is there going to be a problem with updates if I do this, or do all of SuSE's update servers have ALL the updates, not just updates for the download version?
Thanks for your help,
Jim
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans defaber schreef:
Hi, Don't make things difficult only to save the costs of a cheap dvd drive.
Succes, Hans
Sbs Bofh schreef:
Hello-
I'm going to help a friend upgrade their system from SuSE 10.0 to OpenSUSE 10.3 at the weekend and I'm strugging to get my head round the difference between the download and boxed (retail) version.
He's given me the latest boxed version of SuSE, seems to be two install DVDs.
I also have a download version, openSUSE-10.3-GM-KDE-i386.iso. This appeals because it's a CD image, the server doesn't have a DVD drive, only a CD drive, so installing from the boxed DVDs would appear to be slightly tricky :-)
If I install from the download version, presumably there are packages which won't be available? Exim is one that springs to mind - the machine currently runs exim and my friend prefers it to postfix.
Can I install from the download version and then copy the retail DVDs on to the server's hard drive and make all the packages available simply by changing the install source?
Is there going to be a problem with updates if I do this, or do all of SuSE's update servers have ALL the updates, not just updates for the download version?
Thanks for your help,
Jim
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Alexey Eremenko
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Andreas Jaeger
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Carlos E. R.
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Hans defaber
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jdd
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Sbs Bofh