Well, the new update part of YaST is interesting and is working for unlike for some of the other listies, but it just sits there downloading and shows no progress of any kind accept for the bandwidth usage I see flowing via gkrellm. It would be nice to see the output of the downloading of file such as with apt. All I see is this.. 'Retrieving KDE_3.0.4-1: "KDE 3.0.4 update"' Maybe we should send a few emails to feedback because I guess a GUI is nice for those who like to point and click but at the very least it should tell you what's going on so you have some indication as to when it may be done. I think the new YOU is a step in the right direction but it's not quite on par with apt or just plain FTP. Just my 0.02. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 11:30:04AM -0700, Ben Rosenberg wrote: -> Well, the new update part of YaST is interesting and is working for -> unlike for some of the other listies, but it just sits there downloading -> and shows no progress of any kind accept for the bandwidth usage I see -> flowing via gkrellm. It would be nice to see the output of the -> downloading of file such as with apt. All I see is this.. -> -> 'Retrieving KDE_3.0.4-1: "KDE 3.0.4 update"' -> -> Maybe we should send a few emails to feedback because I guess a GUI is -> nice for those who like to point and click but at the very least it -> should tell you what's going on so you have some indication as to when -> it may be done. I think the new YOU is a step in the right direction but -> it's not quite on par with apt or just plain FTP. I agree. What I did was to "tail -f /var/log/YaST2/y2log" while it was going on, and you can see the progress that way, at least on a rpm by rpm basis. SNR is pretty bad in that logfile though. I got tons and tons of instances of this while downloading the kde 3.04 update: [mediaaccess] MediaWget.cc(getFile):125 wget error: file not found ...and it never says what file it didn't find. I'll get maybe four of those in a row, then a successful download, then 4 more of those, etc... but it did seem to eventually get everything. This whole YOU thing in 8.1 is a mess. Michael -- Michael Nelson San Francisco, CA
Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Well, the new update part of YaST is interesting and is working for unlike for some of the other listies, but it just sits there downloading and shows no progress of any kind accept for the bandwidth usage I see flowing via gkrellm. It would be nice to see the output of the downloading of file such as with apt. All I see is this..
'Retrieving KDE_3.0.4-1: "KDE 3.0.4 update"'
Ah, you noticed that too... :-) (now running suse 8.1, but suspecting will return to gentoo) Did you also notice this: There's a checkbox for "Remove source packages after update". It's not checked by default, and I haven't checked it. Now, after I upgraded to kde3.0.4 I decided I wanted to install Mosfet's Liquid. As there's no SuSE package, I went to install the source. Naturally this led me to needing to install things like kdebase-devel, kdelibs-devel etc. (as well as gcc, make et al but let's not go there). So of course I went into yast2 to do this, and of course it installed the 3.0.3 versions *plus* it chose to reinstall the 3.0.3 versions of kdelibs, kdebase themselves. Hmm, I thought. Don't like having a system that's a mixture of two versions. I'll run YOU again... So I run YOU again, and it starts downloading the kde3.0.4 patch again. Why? Why is it not using the version it saved from before? It could even md5 it if it wanted to to make sure it's the right one. Argh! -- Rachel
* Rachel Greenham (rachel@linuxgrrls.org) [021012 12:46]: ::Now, after I upgraded to kde3.0.4 I decided I wanted to install Mosfet's ::Liquid. As there's no SuSE package, I went to install the source. A package for this exists on kde.org's ftp server in the SuSE directory. There is a pkg for 8.1..I installed it. :) Liquid and Keramik were very, very broken on the 8.1 CD's. They would let you use the style but refused to load the window decoration. The 2 pkgs from the kde.org ftp server fixed this. The pkgs are made by a SuSE employee but are not "official" SuSE pkgs. But who cares..they work. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Rachel Greenham (rachel@linuxgrrls.org) [021012 12:46]: ::Now, after I upgraded to kde3.0.4 I decided I wanted to install Mosfet's ::Liquid. As there's no SuSE package, I went to install the source.
A package for this exists on kde.org's ftp server in the SuSE directory. There is a pkg for 8.1..I installed it. :)
Liquid and Keramik were very, very broken on the 8.1 CD's. They would let you use the style but refused to load the window decoration. The 2 pkgs from the kde.org ftp server fixed this. The pkgs are made by a SuSE employee but are not "official" SuSE pkgs. But who cares..they work. :)
Too late, built from source and appears to be working perfectly incuding setting window decoration (though I actually use an Aqua-ish IceWM decoration normally). Couldn't find it on the cd at all. (Well, not on the DVD, do the CDs have different packages?) Oh, BTW, I remember some words about there now being a way to install arbitrary packages using yast2 in the way we used to be able to in yast1 - eg: to install supplementary KDE updates... Where is that? Can't find it. -- Rachel
Message below :) On Sat, 2002-10-12 at 11:30, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Well, the new update part of YaST is interesting and is working for unlike for some of the other listies, but it just sits there downloading and shows no progress of any kind accept for the bandwidth usage I see flowing via gkrellm. It would be nice to see the output of the downloading of file such as with apt. All I see is this..
'Retrieving KDE_3.0.4-1: "KDE 3.0.4 update"'
Maybe we should send a few emails to feedback because I guess a GUI is nice for those who like to point and click but at the very least it should tell you what's going on so you have some indication as to when it may be done. I think the new YOU is a step in the right direction but it's not quite on par with apt or just plain FTP.
Just my 0.02.
-- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
Got to throw my vote on this, we should use the feedback form too :). Can give two reasons: 1. Users unfamilier or unsure if their module has crashed will be reboting or killing the update process instead of leaving alone. Also, this could happen to impatient users...And I wonder if I had been one of those impatient ones if it wasn't for this post. 2. Having a nice status bar lets me do other things, like eat :). Matt
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Ben Rosenberg
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Matthew Johnson
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Michael Nelson
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Rachel Greenham