[opensuse] wysiwyg printing
I want to print out a photo as I see it on screen. When I do, it's always lighter or darker. What should I be reading about? 11.3 with CUPS HP F2280 Thanks, L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* lynn <lynn@steve-ss.com> [07-31-10 07:22]:
I want to print out a photo as I see it on screen. When I do, it's always lighter or darker. What should I be reading about?
11.3 with CUPS HP F2280
You will have to "colour" match your devices, monitor, scanner, printer, so they all interpret colors and intensities the same. argyllcms is available for linux and quite good I have installed: wahoo:~ > rpm -qa |grep -i cms lcms-1.18a-16.3.x86_64 liblcms1-32bit-1.18a-16.3.x86_64 liblcms1-1.18a-16.3.x86_64 argyllcms-1.0.3-3.1.x86_64 python-lcms-1.18a-16.3.x86_64 argyllcms-doc-1.0.3-3.1.x86_64 And when you finally finish this, you will find that when the light level in the room containing your monitor changes, the printed output will look different as will the printed output when you view it under florescent or tungsten (or ...) light and so on. Our brain interpretations of what our eyes sense is amazing and quite versatile. gud luk, -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 31 July 2010 14:03:09 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* lynn <lynn@steve-ss.com> [07-31-10 07:22]:
I want to print out a photo as I see it on screen. When I do, it's always lighter or darker. What should I be reading about?
11.3 with CUPS HP F2280
You will have to "colour" match your devices, monitor, scanner, printer, so they all interpret colors and intensities the same.
argyllcms is available for linux and quite good
I have installed: wahoo:~ > rpm -qa |grep -i cms lcms-1.18a-16.3.x86_64 liblcms1-32bit-1.18a-16.3.x86_64 liblcms1-1.18a-16.3.x86_64 argyllcms-1.0.3-3.1.x86_64 python-lcms-1.18a-16.3.x86_64 argyllcms-doc-1.0.3-3.1.x86_64
And when you finally finish this, you will find that when the light level in the room containing your monitor changes, the printed output will look different as will the printed output when you view it under florescent or tungsten (or ...) light and so on.
Our brain interpretations of what our eyes sense is amazing and quite versatile.
gud luk,
Thanks. Looks time (and paper!) consuming but it's worth it if I can get it right. I take your point about tungsten, flash etc. Any other shortcut info about using this gratefully received. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* lynn <lynn@steve-ss.com> [07-31-10 10:23]:
Thanks. Looks time (and paper!) consuming but it's worth it if I can get it right. I take your point about tungsten, flash etc.
yes
Any other shortcut info about using this gratefully received.
see my post re: Will Stephenson -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 01/08/2010 00:20, lynn wrote:
On Saturday 31 July 2010 14:03:09 Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* lynn<lynn@steve-ss.com> [07-31-10 07:22]:
I want to print out a photo as I see it on screen. When I do, it's always lighter or darker. What should I be reading about?
11.3 with CUPS HP F2280
You will have to "colour" match your devices, monitor, scanner, printer, so they all interpret colors and intensities the same.
argyllcms is available for linux and quite good
I have installed: wahoo:~> rpm -qa |grep -i cms lcms-1.18a-16.3.x86_64 liblcms1-32bit-1.18a-16.3.x86_64 liblcms1-1.18a-16.3.x86_64 argyllcms-1.0.3-3.1.x86_64 python-lcms-1.18a-16.3.x86_64 argyllcms-doc-1.0.3-3.1.x86_64
And when you finally finish this, you will find that when the light level in the room containing your monitor changes, the printed output will look different as will the printed output when you view it under florescent or tungsten (or ...) light and so on.
Our brain interpretations of what our eyes sense is amazing and quite versatile.
gud luk,
Thanks. Looks time (and paper!) consuming but it's worth it if I can get it right. I take your point about tungsten, flash etc.
Any other shortcut info about using this gratefully received.
L x
Look, I just caught this quite by accident a moment before I was about to delete the message. I haven't been following this thread - as I stated I just opened this message by accident. Quite apart from what Patrick wrote, you just have to keep in mind that a *real* photograph which you view in printed form - as in a solid, framed, print - you are viewing as the colours appear to you by REFLECTED light. The colours you see on your screen are colours which are NOT reflected but colours which are lighted from BEHIND by your monitor. Once you get these 2 reconciled then you are well on the way to getting the prints that you want :-) . BC PS Everyone sees colours differently to what the next person sees them as. As you get older, the lenses in your eyes get yellowed and so affect the colours you see. People who have their lenses replaced because of cataract problems for example will see the world absolutely crystal clear and blue-ish in colour. The colours you see are very much subjective. -- If nothing happens, nothing can go wrong. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
The colours you see are very much subjective.
Looks as though Scribus does it. Bit of a long way around, but at least it's drag and hope. Still playing with a picture frame and screen printer profiles. . . Thanks to Patrick for pointing me in the correct direction with icc profiles. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 01/08/2010 02:07, lynn wrote:
The colours you see are very much subjective.
Looks as though Scribus does it. Bit of a long way around, but at least it's drag and hope. Still playing with a picture frame and screen printer profiles. . . Thanks to Patrick for pointing me in the correct direction with icc profiles. L x
I may be teaching you about how to suck eggs, which is not my intention, but after you have printed off a photo, place the print in a dark spot - like the drawer of your desk - so that the ink dries in a dark place. Then either put the photo into an album to protect it from the elements, or, if to be displayed, put in into a frame behind GLASS - this will make the print last a lot longer without fading. Furthermore, if you are serious about getting the max "archival" quality from your prints, always use pigmented inks and not the inks using vegetable dyes - the most commonest of common inks available for inkjet printers. You won't find inks which use pigments off the shelf in your local department store - you'll have to go looking for them elsewhere. BC -- If nothing happens, nothing can go wrong. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Furthermore, if you are serious about getting the max "archival" quality from your prints, always use pigmented inks and not the inks using
What about laser? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxVVfcACgkQU92UU+smfQV2fwCcD0Fo3QtDyZvMqVqAgRjju4M+ YcoAoIi82O4o8a3Q9XQyre000+4o35uo =bZHh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 01/08/2010 21:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2010-08-01 08:14, Basil Chupin wrote:
Furthermore, if you are serious about getting the max "archival" quality from your prints, always use pigmented inks and not the inks using
What about laser?
To be honest - I don't know. I don't know what type of "inks" lasers use but the b/w laser I have uses some sort of black powder. I assume therefore that colour lasers would also use same which I assume would be pigmented powder and which is why laser cartridges cost and arm and a leg. BUT, I do NOT know. What does Wikipedia state about this? BC -- If nothing happens, nothing can go wrong. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 01 August 2010 13:09:43 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-08-01 08:14, Basil Chupin wrote:
Furthermore, if you are serious about getting the max "archival" quality from your prints, always use pigmented inks and not the inks using
What about laser?
Not an option for me. An inkjet with superb quality on photo paper is only 60 euros. What price a colour laser? L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 01/08/2010 22:08, lynn wrote:
On Sunday 01 August 2010 13:09:43 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-08-01 08:14, Basil Chupin wrote:
Furthermore, if you are serious about getting the max "archival" quality from your prints, always use pigmented inks and not the inks using
What about laser?
Not an option for me. An inkjet with superb quality on photo paper is only 60 euros. What price a colour laser?
L x
Which is why some people, I am told, simply buy a new printer rather than spend almost the same amount of money in just buying replacement ink cartridges: they get a new printer with its standard warranty as well as the ink cartridges. (Which is why some printer manufacturers, having woken up to this, now only supply cartridges with the printers which have a fraction of the capacity of the normal cartridge.) BC -- If nothing happens, nothing can go wrong. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-08-01 14:08, lynn wrote:
On Sunday 01 August 2010 13:09:43 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2010-08-01 08:14, Basil Chupin wrote:
Furthermore, if you are serious about getting the max "archival" quality from your prints, always use pigmented inks and not the inks using
What about laser?
Not an option for me. An inkjet with superb quality on photo paper is only 60 euros. What price a colour laser?
A lot. :-) 200 or 300€, I think. But the "cartridges" also last a lot, and inks don't dry in the head if you don't use it for weeks. My previous ink printer clogged after not using it for a week or so (non original inks by the bottle were much cheaper). I still have a small spirit bottle I used to clean the head with. Just imagine that I had to print a CV in a hurry, and the damned thing would print an ugly photo with white lines. So I had to stop and clean it (with spirit, the clean function was not enough). Then one of the colours would be spent, and I would have to refill, and then try my test page, then clean... half an hour if lucky, three hours if not. I lost one meeting because of this. Now, just power the laser on, perhaps select "align" (it does it automatically 5 minutes after power on, or once a day), and print away. What, you want to print a 200 hundred pages book? Do it. No stopping to refill after you get 10 blank pages, or 8 with one colour missing, if I was not looking (the cartridge in the canon BJC 4000 is small). The money is worth the ease of mind, quality of living, however you call it. In fact, the resulting cost in euros is not much higher per page. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxVcOoACgkQU92UU+smfQWPZwCfdRyrggBCTyfPwFa5apKRNMzY /wgAn3lVd58MoRNsEwuIWkpV1a84CVM+ =fen8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 31 July 2010 13:21:15 lynn wrote:
I want to print out a photo as I see it on screen. When I do, it's always lighter or darker. What should I be reading about?
11.3 with CUPS HP F2280
Me too - coincidentally I just printed out 5 full pages of photos of my daughter that are all overexposed compared to the screen image :/. Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Will Stephenson <wstephenson@suse.de> [07-31-10 10:07]:
On Saturday 31 July 2010 13:21:15 lynn wrote:
I want to print out a photo as I see it on screen. When I do, it's always lighter or darker. What should I be reading about?
11.3 with CUPS HP F2280
Me too - coincidentally I just printed out 5 full pages of photos of my daughter that are all overexposed compared to the screen image :/.
The quick and wrong way but workable: Print an image with many colors and contrast. check present gamma setting of monitor adjust the gamma for your monitor to match the print check new gamma setting adjust gamma the opposite way by the amount new minus old now your printed images should be close to the screen image. but your screen display will now be not to your liking porper way is to use cms but is a job with present tools. see my post re: lynn -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 31 July 2010 16:07:10 Will Stephenson wrote:
On Saturday 31 July 2010 13:21:15 lynn wrote:
I want to print out a photo
as I see it on screen. When I do, it's always
lighter or darker. What
should I be reading about?
11.3 with CUPS HP F2280
Me too - coincidentally I just printed out 5 full pages of photos of my daughter that are all overexposed compared to the screen image :/.
Will
Hi Will, Try Scribus colour correction /and then write instructions as to how to do it/! 2 hours is long enough to spend on this. Having another go unless the temperature rises even more 2moro and my printer melts!. It certainly looks the tool to produce good prints every time without having to guesstimate each one. But just can't work out how. Un saludo desde Alicante. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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