[opensuse] UN Climate Change event in Copenhagen + Linux
I wanted to look at some events taking place in Copenhagen at the UN conference on climate change. A big part of the event is that you do not need to destroy the universe as we know and love it by traveling there. All is accessible via the web. http://webcast.cop15.dk/help.php Unless you use Linux. Those apparently God forsaken destroyers of the environment are not interested in this. We will all be traveling there. Unlike our eco-friendly Windows/Mac brethren. Silliness aside, I seem to recall in a recent openSUSE news letter something about Linux support for Silverlight in Mono. If this is the case, could it be that this might work with Linux? If one knew what to do? -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/12/09 22:51, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I wanted to look at some events taking place in Copenhagen at the UN conference on climate change. A big part of the event is that you do not need to destroy the universe as we know and love it by traveling there. All is accessible via the web.
http://webcast.cop15.dk/help.php
Unless you use Linux.
It is getting just a bit more than annoying, isn't it? BC -- If you don't succeed you run the risk of failure. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 11/12/09 22:51, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I wanted to look at some events taking place in Copenhagen at the UN conference on climate change. A big part of the event is that you do not need to destroy the universe as we know and love it by traveling there. All is accessible via the web.
http://webcast.cop15.dk/help.php
Unless you use Linux.
It is getting just a bit more than annoying, isn't it?
BC
The whole site is one giant M$ advertisement. I can't believe that the conference organizers, which must be largely based in the EU, would have succumbed to Bill and friends. Aren't there lots of schools in the EU that use nothing *but* linux? I sent a note of feedback re: their website. I'm sure they'll get back to me immediately. I'm sure hell will freeze tomorrow, too. -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tony Alfrey wrote:
The whole site is one giant M$ advertisement. I can't believe that the conference organizers, which must be largely based in the EU, would have succumbed to Bill and friends. Aren't there lots of schools in the EU that use nothing *but* linux?
Yes there is, but Denmark is imo quite Microsoft-friendly. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Yes there is, but Denmark is imo quite Microsoft-friendly.
that is an understatement! closer to the truth is: Denmark is overly MS friendly...perhaps non-MS hostile.. there are very many .dk sites which will only display/work with IE and the MS implementation of java and/or java script.. if you go to ANY school in the country and take a course in "web design" you *will* be taught how to design _for_ MS client software and _on_ MS software.. course instruction includes statements like: you should check if your site works on other browsers, but don't spend too much time since only 3% or less of users are not on IE.. dd i had to leave Den Danske Bank because their netbanking software worked with IE, only. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
DenverD wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Yes there is, but Denmark is imo quite Microsoft-friendly.
that is an understatement! closer to the truth is: Denmark is overly MS friendly...perhaps non-MS hostile..
Yes, I was deliberatly trying not to overstate it - after all, the last few months have also seen some interesting developments wrt schools and local authorities opting for e.g. openoffice.
there are very many .dk sites which will only display/work with IE and the MS implementation of java and/or java script..
Yup.
dd i had to leave Den Danske Bank because their netbanking software worked with IE, only.
I think they did change that - I got an account for that years ago, but authentication was so backward in comparison to what e.g. UBS does, that I've never used it. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 15:19 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
I think they did change that - I got an account for that years ago, but authentication was so backward in comparison to what e.g. UBS does, that I've never used it.
The official government policy in Sweden is that all government internet services must be OS neutral. How well that is done is unclear. But it is official policy. And Sweden is, unfortunately, very MS friendly. But at least the government had a bit of a clue here. Private business, OTOH, are the same here as elsewhere. Both banks I use support Linux. The on-line tax stuff supports Linux. But it never seems to work as 'flawlessly' as the Windows stuff. Of course, I have a Mac, and it gets support similar to Linux... -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 15:08 +0100, DenverD wrote:
course instruction includes statements like: you should check if your site works on other browsers, but don't spend too much time since only 3% or less of users are not on IE..
I had a web instructor like that in California he was an MS bigot. CWSIV -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/12/09 11:51, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I wanted to look at some events taking place in Copenhagen at the UN conference on climate change. A big part of the event is that you do not need to destroy the universe as we know and love it by traveling there. All is accessible via the web.
http://webcast.cop15.dk/help.php
Unless you use Linux. Those apparently God forsaken destroyers of the environment are not interested in this. We will all be traveling there. Unlike our eco-friendly Windows/Mac brethren.
Silliness aside, I seem to recall in a recent openSUSE news letter something about Linux support for Silverlight in Mono. If this is the case, could it be that this might work with Linux? If one knew what to do? What you would need is the silverlight mono-equivalent called moonlight.
zypper in moonlight-plugin YMMV though, no idea if it will work. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 13:00 +0000, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
What you would need is the silverlight mono-equivalent called moonlight.
zypper in moonlight-plugin
YMMV though, no idea if it will work.
Regards,
Tejas
I installed it. I in firefox about:plugins, I see: application/x-silverlight listed as the mime-type this plugin handles. Then the system test tool that they have is happy. It says the plugin exists. However, I still get nothing. I see this is the code where the live feed should be: <object id="wmplayer" width="384" height="216"type="application/x-ms-wmp"> Presumably moonlight is supposed to deal with this? Well, back to the day job. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 11/12/09 13:20, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I installed it. I in firefox about:plugins, I see:
application/x-silverlight
listed as the mime-type this plugin handles. Then the system test tool that they have is happy. It says the plugin exists. However, I still get nothing. I see this is the code where the live feed should be:
<object id="wmplayer" width="384" height="216"type="application/x-ms-wmp">
Presumably moonlight is supposed to deal with this? Well, back to the day job.
From what I see on the website they are trying to be very clever and serve MacOS with a Silverlight applet and serve Windows with a WMA stream. Aside from ignoring Linux, this is exceedingly poor web design ...
I think they are actually serving Linux with a WMA stream - the Silverlight thing is only for MacOS. Instead of moonlight you might actually need mplayer-plugin or similar with appropriate codecs to play WMA files. This paragraph on their system check really annoys me: "Operating System Linux You are using an unsupported operation system. For unrestricted access to the webcast, we recommend the use of Microsoft® Windows XP or greater. You may be able to access the webcast anyway, though you might encounter unexpected or unsatisfying behaviour." This is really really disappointing, especially from an official UN website and involving such an important event. Somebody (FSFE? EFF?) needs to get on this and publicly shame the UNFCCC. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I wanted to look at some events taking place in Copenhagen at the UN conference on climate change. A big part of the event is that you do not need to destroy the universe as we know and love it by traveling there. All is accessible via the web.
I simply posted my anger there: http://en.cop15.dk/blogs/view%20blog?blogid=2910 My posting sounds moderate, but ... -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 15:22 +0100, Markus Egg wrote:
I wanted to look at some events taking place in Copenhagen at the UN conference on climate change. A big part of the event is that you do not need to destroy the universe as we know and love it by traveling there. All is accessible via the web.
I simply posted my anger there: http://en.cop15.dk/blogs/view%20blog?blogid=2910
My posting sounds moderate, but ...
I wonder what all the "- Deleted due to terms of use violation" messages said. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I simply posted my anger there: http://en.cop15.dk/blogs/view%20blog?blogid=2910
My posting sounds moderate, but ...
I wonder what all the "- Deleted due to terms of use violation" messages said.
I don't know about the other messages but at least one of these messages is, because I used the "back" button of Firefox and my message was posted again. Silly me. :-( So the message " Moderator 11/12/2009 15:27- Deleted due to terms of use violation" is quite ok because he deleted my double post... -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I wanted to look at some events taking place in Copenhagen at the UN conference on climate change. A big part of the event is that you do not need to destroy the universe as we know and love it by traveling there. All is accessible via the web.
http://webcast.cop15.dk/help.php
Unless you use Linux. Those apparently God forsaken destroyers of the environment are not interested in this. We will all be traveling there. Unlike our eco-friendly Windows/Mac brethren.
Well, after walking my dog this morning, I think we could do with a bit of global warming. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 11:31 -0500, James Knott wrote:
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I wanted to look at some events taking place in Copenhagen at the UN conference on climate change. A big part of the event is that you do not need to destroy the universe as we know and love it by traveling there. All is accessible via the web.
http://webcast.cop15.dk/help.php
Unless you use Linux. Those apparently God forsaken destroyers of the environment are not interested in this. We will all be traveling there. Unlike our eco-friendly Windows/Mac brethren.
Well, after walking my dog this morning, I think we could do with a bit of global warming. ;-)
Saw a Swedish comic who was on a similar track: he wondered why the Nordic countries are so much against climate change when they have the most to gain: warmer climes and more sun. Seems they should champion climate change. Of course, all the travel we do to get to warm sunny places contributes to the effect. If we play our cards right, maybe we won't have to travel. Maybe the Nordic countries are telling us not to do these things that result in climate change like a parent that tells a kid not to do something: then they will be more likely to do so. Our evil plan for more temperate Nordic weather will finally come to fruition. I could trade in my downhill skis for water skis! -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 11 December 2009 03:51:00 am Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
All is accessible via the web.
http://webcast.cop15.dk/help.php
Unless you use Linux.
Oh, stop! Just go to the page, click thru the warning to the main page and select the event you want to watch. It works fine on my 11.2 running 4.3.4. -- A computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/12/09 13:37, John Andersen wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 03:51:00 am Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
All is accessible via the web.
http://webcast.cop15.dk/help.php
Unless you use Linux.
Oh, stop!
Just go to the page, click thru the warning to the main page and select the event you want to watch. It works fine on my 11.2 running 4.3.4.
True - well, partly true: the picture is fine but there is no sound. BC -- If you don't succeed you run the risk of failure. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
the picture is fine but there is no sound.
here i have good pix *and* good sound!!! except i can't control sound volume via software (either in firefox 3.01.4 or with KMix 2.6.1 on KDE3.5.7 release 72.11 on openSUSE 10.3) as far as i can tell sound is either FULL up or FULL down.. so i had to resort to last centuries technology and push back the junk on my real desktop to reach out and turn a real knob on an exteranlly powered (through wall-wart), external speak plugged into a speaker port--thank you "old ways"! btw, FF is not using the mplayer plug in..well, it is not visible as is usual...but it is acting about right as here mplayer always launches with FULL up volume.. DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/12/09 22:37, DenverD wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
the picture is fine but there is no sound.
here i have good pix *and* good sound!!!
YAM (yet another mystery)! :-D I have everything-new installed, ie mplayer for example was upgraded only this morning by zypper and so were some of the codecs, but I do not have sound; however the picture is excellent :-) . Oh, it's a 32-bit 11.2 system with KDE4.3.4. BC -- If you don't succeed you run the risk of failure. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 12/12/09 22:37, DenverD wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
the picture is fine but there is no sound.
here i have good pix *and* good sound!!!
YAM (yet another mystery)! :-D
I have everything-new installed, ie mplayer for example was upgraded only this morning by zypper and so were some of the codecs, but I do not have sound; however the picture is excellent :-) .
probably won't work, but have you discovered if you right click on the speaker icon in the controls line as the bottom of the video frame...you should get a menu with setup functions....sorry i can't click up one right now (it is 8:00 AM in Denmark and nothing to watch)...maybe in there somewhere there is a 'switch' to turn on, or up, the mplayer's sound...(because, as mentioned earlier i have no control over volume with KMix/etc.. dd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 13/12/09 18:04, DenverD wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 12/12/09 22:37, DenverD wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
the picture is fine but there is no sound.
here i have good pix *and* good sound!!!
YAM (yet another mystery)! :-D
I have everything-new installed, ie mplayer for example was upgraded only this morning by zypper and so were some of the codecs, but I do not have sound; however the picture is excellent :-) .
probably won't work, but have you discovered if you right click on the speaker icon in the controls line as the bottom of the video frame...you should get a menu with setup functions....sorry i can't click up one right now (it is 8:00 AM in Denmark and nothing to watch)...maybe in there somewhere there is a 'switch' to turn on, or up, the mplayer's sound...(because, as mentioned earlier i have no control over volume with KMix/etc..
'"Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerfull than a locomotive, more incomprehensible than any uttering by George W Bush"....we give you the website of the Copenhagen Climate Change pow-wow'. Alright, already. Tried what you suggested. No sound - zilch, NADA - but a damn good picture as before. So then the little grey cells start to get agitated. What would happen if I right-clicked on the picture? would I get a menu? YES, I do get a menu. What does that little menu show? It asks me if I want to save the picture/video to my HD. I do that. And then vlc plays the video - *with sound* :-) . BC -- If you don't succeed you run the risk of failure. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/13/2009 05:36 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: [snip]
Alright, already.
Tried what you suggested. No sound - zilch, NADA - but a damn good picture as before.
So then the little grey cells start to get agitated. What would happen if I right-clicked on the picture? would I get a menu? YES, I do get a menu.
What does that little menu show? It asks me if I want to save the picture/video to my HD. I do that.
And then vlc plays the video - *with sound* :-) .
They DON'T want you to hear it, Basil! If you did, you'd know how much of a lie it all is and you couldn't take it!! Fred -- SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I can play the into just fine but I get this when I go to the main page with the videos: 8, Undefined index: t, /var/www/frontend/index.php, 52, Array 2, Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/frontend/index.php:39), /var/www/frontend/index.php, 191, Array Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'Exception' with message 'PHP error $errno: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /var/www/frontend/index.php:39) in /var/www/frontend/index.php:191' in /var/www/frontend/index.php:40 Stack trace: #0 [internal function]: error_throw(2, 'Cannot modify h...', '/var/www/fronte...', 191, Array) #1 /var/www/frontend/index.php(191): header('Location: http:...') #2 {main} thrown in /var/www/frontend/index.php on line 40 I'm using 11.2/KDE4/FF 3.5.5. I have mplayer/plugin installed which works just fine on the intro page..... I get the same message on 11.0/KDE3/FF 3.5.5 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 14/12/09 08:59, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On 12/13/2009 05:36 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
[snip]
Alright, already.
Tried what you suggested. No sound - zilch, NADA - but a damn good picture as before.
So then the little grey cells start to get agitated. What would happen if I right-clicked on the picture? would I get a menu? YES, I do get a menu.
What does that little menu show? It asks me if I want to save the picture/video to my HD. I do that.
And then vlc plays the video - *with sound* :-) .
They DON'T want you to hear it, Basil! If you did, you'd know how much of a lie it all is and you couldn't take it!!
Har! Har! Har! <FX:Chocking from laughter> You're a real card, Fred, and should be dealt with! (knudge, knudge, get the pun, eh, eh?) :-D BC -- If you don't succeed you run the risk of failure. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Dec 12, 2009, at 3:37 AM, John Andersen wrote:
On Friday 11 December 2009 03:51:00 am Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
All is accessible via the web.
http://webcast.cop15.dk/help.php
Unless you use Linux.
Oh, stop!
Just go to the page, click thru the warning to the main page and select the event you want to watch. It works fine on my 11.2 running 4.3.4.
Um, no. The video streams are an empty window - for the ones that should have been in progress,. I did actually try before checking what should have worked, You must have more than standard openSUSE installed. Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Kapellgränd 7 P.O. Box 4205 SE-102 65 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about large city with all constructions finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 12:51 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I wanted to look at some events taking place in Copenhagen at the UN conference on climate change. A big part of the event is that you do not need to destroy the universe as we know and love it by traveling there. All is accessible via the web.
http://webcast.cop15.dk/help.php
Unless you use Linux. Those apparently God forsaken destroyers of the environment are not interested in this. We will all be traveling there. Unlike our eco-friendly Windows/Mac brethren.
Silliness aside, I seem to recall in a recent openSUSE news letter something about Linux support for Silverlight in Mono. If this is the case, could it be that this might work with Linux? If one knew what to do?
IIRC Firefox will try and dl/install the Novell/Silverlight extension. Have fun the first few times, I know I did. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I wanted to look at some events taking place in Copenhagen at the UN conference on climate change. A big part of the event is that you do not need to destroy the universe as we know and love it by traveling there. All is accessible via the web.
http://webcast.cop15.dk/help.php
Unless you use Linux. Those apparently God forsaken destroyers of the environment are not interested in this. We will all be traveling there. Unlike our eco-friendly Windows/Mac brethren.
Silliness aside, I seem to recall in a recent openSUSE news letter something about Linux support for Silverlight in Mono. If this is the case, could it be that this might work with Linux? If one knew what to do?
I just tried had the same problem. So I installed mplayer and the mplayer plugin for firefox and made sure that w32 codecs are installed. The I restarted firefox. And surprise: it is working, at least all the webcasts that I tried are shown with video and sound. (Suse 11.2 / 32 bit) So it is a great shame indeed, but it is easy to view, nevertheless -from linux-! So we might slow down a bit, forget about "not working on Linux" and carefully think about how to politely remember the authorities that there are a lot of users in this world aside from Win and Mac, indeed. Take care out there Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:24:14 +0100, you wrote:
So it is a great shame indeed, but it is easy to view, nevertheless -from linux-!
No, it's not! If you have a x86-64 system and the 64 bit mplayer installed you can't use the w32codecs. So it's only easy for part of the linux users. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Larry Stotler -
Markus Egg -
Mike McMullin -
Per Jessen -
Philipp Thomas -
Roger Oberholtzer -
Tejas Guruswamy -
Tony Alfrey