RE: [SuSE Linux] Vote for SuSE
I think SuSE's problem here is PR. SuSE have their job cut out simply because they are European. RH, being in the US, have a vast market on their doorstep (with free local calls for ftp not exactly a disincentive either). Nobody wants to throw their hats (pardon the pun) into the ring with an unknown - RH started getting their name in the mags, so they start picking up more publicity when third-party companies announce tie-ins, so more publicity, etc.. RH shouldn't be knocked for their corporate vision and market penetration. Rather, it is down to SuSE to start a media blitz of announcements, interviews (everyone can name RH's CEO, but who is the boss of SuSE??) and approaching the hardware vendors to look at producing systems with SuSE pre-installed. I have used both RH & SuSE, and found SuSE 5.2 far easier to work with as a newbie - thank God for Yast !! In fact, SuSE should really angle their promos at the ease of installation & admin thanks to Yast, that way more of the newbie market will be captured by the Chameleon rather than disappearing into the Red Hat tide. Personally I'd love to see SuSE break through into the big time rather than languishing in a backwater. For my own part, we have founded a local Linux user group (Spire Linux User Group, for anyone in the Chesterfield/Sheffield (UK) area) where I evangelise the system, but that's almost preaching to the converted anyhow. What SuSE need to do is to act now, before RH really DO become synonymous with Linux and the other distribs wither on the vine. I'm not comparing RH with M$ directly here (RH Linux is still Linux, but with "bits in"), but isn't this what happened with Win3 ? The software came bundled, wasn't particularly easy to use or effective as an "OS", but still trounced the opposition by sheer market penetration. Perhaps if we'd all bought OS/2 we'd be burning effegies of Lou Gerstner instead. Me, I'm waiting for SuSE 6 to pop through my letter box. I have kernel 2.2.0 on my system anyhow, as well as an updated Samba, StarOffice 5, Wordperfect 8, KDE 1 etc, so the boxed set probably won't do much beyond migrating me to glibc2, and hence RH compatability. BTW, what does "kernel 2.2 ready" actually mean - to me, simply that you've space on /usr/src for another source tree. TTFN Paul. On 10 February 1999 13:46, Chris Martin [SMTP:camst65+@pitt.edu] wrote:
I couldn't agree more with this. I have to admit that despite the fact
SuSE has been very good to me (as a product), the recent total lack of attention to detail surrounding 6.0 and the fact that RedHat is exploding forward give me many doubts about SuSE as a company. Ultimately, in this consumer driven world, the only way products hang around, even when they are good/great like SuSE, is to have the coplementary good/great backing
various support channels and, of course, things like an up to date and comprehensive web site and, generally, a strong and attentive company backing it. And, one must remember the mantra invoked by most strong companies (RedHat?), IMAGE, IMAGE IMAGE Else, like someone on here so correctly said, SuSE becomes the Amiga, the OS2, etc. I like SuSE a lot, but I am feeling less and less like putting up with being in the minority's minority (even given
I have a slightly better product) and with difficulties in getting what I want when I want it (like RPM's! and up to date WebPages). If SuSE doesn't shift into high gear, I fear that even your above average computer user, who appreciates what SuSE has to offer over other distbns, will find
nonetheless considering other distbns for these myriad reasons.
To end this all on a nice note: Go SuSE!
On 10-Feb-99 Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:
I couldn't have said it better.
SuSE , I personally think, is a better product than RH, but seeing that
do not promote their product well in NA really really does hurt them where it hurts most. RH is almost synonymous with Linux, and vice versa. In fact, a newbie friend of mine didn't know that there was a company other than RH
produced Linux [distros].
And yes, the american site of SuSE is a shame!! I mean it. www.suse.de/e is much better and much up to date. Why can't they just mirror the site to
american version, with some changes of course.
ps. Gerry, I noticed that you are a Shaw Wave customer, so am I.
I just wanted to ask where did you get your SuSE package? I got mine from Chapters [Highway7 and Woodbine] for only 45 bucks.
I noticed that Chapters is now carrying the CALDERA OPEN LINUX 1.3 BASE version, but the price is a whopping 110 Canadian Dollars. JEEZ!!!
Gerry Doris wrote:
6.0 has been released in Europe but Suse haven't bothered to update
NA website in months. There is still the same old tired description of what were going to be treated to...and much of it is wrong (ie. will ship with 2.2 kernel, will be totally 2.2 kernel ready...). I've heard rumours that 6.0 is actually shipping in NA but you wouldn't know it from anything Suse does. Most companies would be making press releases all over the place???
Sorry if I'm being overly critical but there are other people working very very hard to get my attention and $$$. If Suse thinks that just tossing a product into the market (even if it's a superior product) will win the day, well, they have a lot to learn.
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- RH started getting their name in the mags, so they start picking
up more publicity when third-party companies announce tie-ins, so more publicity, etc.. RH shouldn't be knocked for their corporate vision and market penetration. Rather, it is down to SuSE to start a media blitz of announcements, interviews (everyone can name RH's CEO, but who is the boss of SuSE??) and The only link to Hardware is VA. Suse should realy try to find some sort of bundling agreement with either a hardware manufacture , or bundle/include it with one of the compnent hardware manufactures , ie network card , Tape backup hardware. Include it in a box , where the Corparate networking department / tech will find it.
Better yet , find a hardware manufacture that can preinstall it and get the "office Server" into a staple , office mmax enviorment. Some sort of all in one solution. rember Lantastic Kits. approaching the hardware vendors to look at producing systems
with SuSE pre-installed. I have used both RH & SuSE, and found SuSE 5.2 far easier to work with as a newbie - thank God for Yast !!
Publicity , and exposer are surly lacked by suse here in the use. Just look in the major book stores. The only one that handles suse is Borders.Ditto for barns and noble. You also never see it at Comp USA or Compter City. They should also target Staples , Office max Ect. It takes a lot of hard work to find a copy. Reatial , and Walk in customers will not have a shot at it. You can find Red Hat everywhere.
In fact, SuSE should really angle their promos at the ease of installation & admin thanks to Yast, that way more of the newbie market will be captured by the Chameleon rather than disappearing into the Red Hat tide. Personally I'd
The eas if installation is a real problem for newbies. Try telling your average joe customer that you need t make a new partion . Cant wait to see the look on his face. Better yet , tell him you need three to 5 partions (swap, / and /usr), He will run away. Man imagine if suse were to come up with a realy bullit proof Simple Install procedure , where it does it all, Install OS , Install xserver , Printer , and Install modem , Set up some basic software , ie Xwindows , Web browser , that will work out of the biox with the modem . Right now the install require more info than the average joe has knoldge about. I have yet to set up the modem and dial up to access the net. Mater of fact , SUSE installed the wrong xserver , andd failed to note that it did not have the SVGE server and allert me that there was a vga16 server avialable (Tahnks to Len who pionted me in the right direction. Sax needs some work , as it wont even load , and others have had problems with it. Give a bullit proof install that can give at least a bare bones set up that works. ie xwin/server , modem , printer , and internet connection that work. Then the user wont be disapionted and drop it at the firt sing of trouble. Maybee we need two inatalls , one for the new user , that hold his hand , and one for the advanced youser who allready knows his harware and can deal with missbehaved drivers ect...
Me, I'm waiting for SuSE 6 to pop through my letter box.
I like it so far , Now you can set it up throght yast to use a printer on a windows machine. Nice when working with a samba server. I still need to figure out how to put a printer on the samba box and share it with windows. But its nice to be able to prin out doc to the other priter on winows. Yast is realy greate , I couldint live without it right now. ,But could you imagian a version that does it all for you. That would blow your socks off , espeaciccaly Red Hat I have kernel 2.2.0
on my system anyhow, as well as an updated Samba, StarOffice 5, Wordperfect 8, KDE 1 etc, so the boxed set probably won't do much beyond migrating me to glibc2, and hence RH compatability. BTW, what does "kernel 2.2 ready" actually mean - to me, simply that you've space on /usr/src for another source tree.
TTFN Paul.
On 10 February 1999 13:46, Chris Martin [SMTP:camst65+@pitt.edu] wrote:
I couldn't agree more with this. I have to admit that despite the fact
SuSE has been very good to me (as a product), the recent total lack of attention to detail surrounding 6.0 and the fact that RedHat is exploding forward give me many doubts about SuSE as a company. Ultimately, in this consumer driven world, the only way products hang around, even when they are good/great like SuSE, is to have the coplementary good/great backing
various support channels and, of course, things like an up to date and comprehensive web site and, generally, a strong and attentive company backing it. And, one must remember the mantra invoked by most strong companies (RedHat?), IMAGE, IMAGE IMAGE Else, like someone on here so correctly said, SuSE becomes the Amiga, the OS2, etc. I like SuSE a lot, but I am feeling less and less like putting up with being in the minority's minority (even given
I have a slightly better product) and with difficulties in getting what I want when I want it (like RPM's! and up to date WebPages). If SuSE doesn't shift into high gear, I fear that even your above average computer user, who appreciates what SuSE has to offer over other distbns, will find
nonetheless considering other distbns for these myriad reasons.
To end this all on a nice note: Go SuSE!
On 10-Feb-99 Zulfiqar Naushad wrote:
I couldn't have said it better.
SuSE , I personally think, is a better product than RH, but seeing that
do not promote their product well in NA really really does hurt them where it hurts most. RH is almost synonymous with Linux, and vice versa. In fact, a newbie friend of mine didn't know that there was a company other than RH
produced Linux [distros].
And yes, the american site of SuSE is a shame!! I mean it. www.suse.de/e is much better and much up to date. Why can't they just mirror the site to
american version, with some changes of course.
ps. Gerry, I noticed that you are a Shaw Wave customer, so am I.
I just wanted to ask where did you get your SuSE package? I got mine from Chapters [Highway7 and Woodbine] for only 45 bucks.
I noticed that Chapters is now carrying the CALDERA OPEN LINUX 1.3 BASE version, but the price is a whopping 110 Canadian Dollars. JEEZ!!!
Gerry Doris wrote:
6.0 has been released in Europe but Suse haven't bothered to update
NA website in months. There is still the same old tired description of what were going to be treated to...and much of it is wrong (ie. will ship with 2.2 kernel, will be totally 2.2 kernel ready...). I've heard rumours that 6.0 is actually shipping in NA but you wouldn't know it from anything Suse does. Most companies would be making press releases all over the place???
Sorry if I'm being overly critical but there are other people working very very hard to get my attention and $$$. If Suse thinks that just tossing a product into the market (even if it's a superior product) will win the day, well, they have a lot to learn.
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