Now this is just silly. The base (whole of 9.0) was just added to apt. Now I have over 1031 pkgs being upgraded because the packages in base are newer then the cd versions. The updated packages were not in update as they most likely just should have been but now it looks like pretty much an entire system upgrade. WOW! Isn't this just silly. Get:1 ftp://ftp.gwdg.de SuSE/9.0-i386/base glibc 2.3.2-92 (what apt is getting) The glibc that installed from the cd's is version "glibc-2.3.2-88". I think next time I'm just going to wait for 9.1 to hit the ftp site before upgrading anything but security based issues. There have been like 3 updates to KDE and now we have YaKDEu. Amazing. ;) BTW..treat the Gnome 2.4.x packages like the brown acid at Woodstock..stay away from the Gnome 2.4 pkgs. ;) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===--- #147972 ---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org -- Why do we bother with a suicide watch when someone is on deathrow? " Keep an eye on this guy. We're gonna kill him, and we don't want him to hurt himself."
On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 20:44, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Now this is just silly. The base (whole of 9.0) was just added to apt. Now I have over 1031 pkgs being upgraded because the packages in base are newer then the cd versions. The updated packages were not in update as they most likely just should have been but now it looks like pretty much an entire system upgrade. WOW! Isn't this just silly.
Get:1 ftp://ftp.gwdg.de SuSE/9.0-i386/base glibc 2.3.2-92 (what apt is getting)
The glibc that installed from the cd's is version "glibc-2.3.2-88".
just minimalize your sources.list: rpm ftp://mirrors.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/ SuSE/9.0-i386 update security packman usr-local-bin suser-rbos rpm ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/ SuSE/9.0-i386 update security you don't need more i think :)
BTW..treat the Gnome 2.4.x packages like the brown acid at Woodstock..stay away from the Gnome 2.4 pkgs. ;)
fully agreed: they are very, very bad ... waiting for Ximian for SuSE 9 ... -- Frederik Vos <fvos@vosberg.be> L4L & VosBerg@SuSE
* Frederik Vos (fvos@vosberg.be) [031125 11:57]:
On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 20:44, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Now this is just silly. The base (whole of 9.0) was just added to apt. Now I have over 1031 pkgs being upgraded because the packages in base are newer then the cd versions. The updated packages were not in update as they most likely just should have been but now it looks like pretty much an entire system upgrade. WOW! Isn't this just silly.
Get:1 ftp://ftp.gwdg.de SuSE/9.0-i386/base glibc 2.3.2-92 (what apt is getting)
The glibc that installed from the cd's is version "glibc-2.3.2-88".
just minimalize your sources.list:
rpm ftp://mirrors.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/ SuSE/9.0-i386 update security packman usr-local-bin suser-rbos rpm ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/ SuSE/9.0-i386 update security
you don't need more i think :)
Umm..yes. I would need base if I do not want to be sticking the cd's in every time I need a dependency filled. :) That's what makes having the whole distro up on the ftp site so convenient. :) My point was that they didn't put things like the glibc upgrade into the updates directory and if needed upgrading they should have done that. Once apt is finished squaring stuff it won't be an issue. I was just taken aback by the amount of updates. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===--- #147972 ---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org -- Why do we bother with a suicide watch when someone is on deathrow? " Keep an eye on this guy. We're gonna kill him, and we don't want him to hurt himself."
On 11/26/2003 04:06 AM, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Umm..yes. I would need base if I do not want to be sticking the cd's in every time I need a dependency filled. :)
Now there's a feature request I would love to see, instead of adding base, to have apt source the dvd/cdrom set (maybe easiest with the dvd) to find the 'base' equivilant, to avoid hundreds of upgraded packages that are not upgrades. Just a thought. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Web Address: http://www.mydestiny.net/~joe_morris Registered Linux user 231871 God said, I AM that I AM. I say, by the grace of God, I am what I am.
On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 02:07, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
On 11/26/2003 04:06 AM, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Umm..yes. I would need base if I do not want to be sticking the cd's in every time I need a dependency filled. :)
Now there's a feature request I would love to see, instead of adding base, to have apt source the dvd/cdrom set (maybe easiest with the dvd) to find the 'base' equivilant, to avoid hundreds of upgraded packages that are not upgrades. Just a thought.
a very good idea ! i'll vote for it :) -- Frederik Vos <fvos@vosberg.be> VosBerg@SuSE & L4L
Op woensdag 26 november 2003 09:55, schreef Frederik Vos:
On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 02:07, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
On 11/26/2003 04:06 AM, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Umm..yes. I would need base if I do not want to be sticking the cd's in every time I need a dependency filled. :)
Now there's a feature request I would love to see, instead of adding base, to have apt source the dvd/cdrom set (maybe easiest with the dvd) to find the 'base' equivilant, to avoid hundreds of upgraded packages that are not upgrades. Just a thought.
a very good idea ! i'll vote for it :) -- Frederik Vos <fvos@vosberg.be> VosBerg@SuSE & L4L
Frederik perhaps you can host it ;) ? -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 10:45, Richard Bos wrote:
Frederik perhaps you can host it ;) ?
*grin*, my reply was more or less ironic on the other hand is there a possibility to use the apt-cdrom with the suse dvd ? Yes, i'm already thinking about mirroring things like usr-local-bin etc. maybe not directly on my colocation (bandwith ok, but the server is not that fast), maybe renting some space somewhere by our lug (L4L). -- Frederik Vos <fvos@vosberg.be> VosBerg@SuSE & L4L
Op woensdag 26 november 2003 10:58, schreef Frederik Vos:
On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 10:45, Richard Bos wrote:
Frederik perhaps you can host it ;) ?
*grin*, my reply was more or less ironic
:)
on the other hand is there a possibility to use the apt-cdrom with the suse dvd ?
See my other email: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=6400724 -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
Op woensdag 26 november 2003 02:07, schreef Joe Morris (NTM):
On 11/26/2003 04:06 AM, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Umm..yes. I would need base if I do not want to be sticking the cd's in every time I need a dependency filled. :)
Now there's a feature request I would love to see, instead of adding base, to have apt source the dvd/cdrom set (maybe easiest with the dvd) to find the 'base' equivilant, to avoid hundreds of upgraded packages that are not upgrades. Just a thought.
If you own the dvd you can make this yourself rather easily: It's described here: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=6400724 -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
On 11/26/2003 05:48 PM, Richard Bos wrote:
If you own the dvd you can make this yourself rather easily: It's described here: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=6400724
Great instructions. It would have worked except for one tiny little problem, I didn't have 40G free for the apt repository. Wow, I never realized how much it takes. joe@jmorris:~> aptate Distribution(s) to be processed: suse82 Processing: suse82 Archive structure: 1 => suse/8.2-i586 Entering cache build stage base -> RPMs added: 3227 -> RPMs removed: 0 Entering apt repository creation stage base -> Bin: MD5/GPG: 3227/3227 -> Src: MD5/GPG: 0/0 security -> Bin: MD5/GPG: 0/0 -> Src: MD5/GPG: 0/0 Entering apt database building stage base -> Bin: 3227/3227 base -> Src: Creating global release file: done error: the created repository has not been installed, as there is not enough space. Size of created repository: 38109184 Calculated available space: 11970748 aptate finished successfully Am I reading this correctly? That is 38G? But the DVD is only 3847360. Oh well... -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Web Address: http://www.mydestiny.net/~joe_morris Registered Linux user 231871 God said, I AM that I AM. I say, by the grace of God, I am what I am.
just to share ... I have installed SUSE 9 via FTP, and all went fine. The location was in UK IP:195.40.6.46 (or 41) path: /pub/suse/i386/9.0 ftp://ftp.plig.org/pub/suse/i386/9.0
On 11/26/2003 05:48 PM, Richard Bos wrote:
If you own the dvd you can make this yourself rather easily: It's described here: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=6400724
Great instructions. It would have worked except for one tiny little problem, I didn't have 40G free for the apt repository. Wow, I never realized how much it takes.
joe@jmorris:~> aptate Distribution(s) to be processed: suse82 Processing: suse82 Archive structure: 1 => suse/8.2-i586 Entering cache build stage base -> RPMs added: 3227 -> RPMs removed: 0 Entering apt repository creation stage base -> Bin: MD5/GPG: 3227/3227 -> Src: MD5/GPG: 0/0 security -> Bin: MD5/GPG: 0/0 -> Src: MD5/GPG: 0/0 Entering apt database building stage base -> Bin: 3227/3227 base -> Src: Creating global release file: done
error: the created repository has not been installed, as there is not enough space. Size of created repository: 38109184 Calculated available space: 11970748 aptate finished successfully
Am I reading this correctly? That is 38G? But the DVD is only 3847360. Oh well...
That's not correct, it's only 38M (compared to 38G it's just a fraction ;) To get around the problem you need a newer version of apt4rpm, the version you need is 0.65.3, which is available from sourceforge or the SUSE-9.0 apt repository. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=35354 -- Richard
On 11/27/2003 11:59 PM, radoeka@xs4all.nl wrote:
That's not correct, it's only 38M (compared to 38G it's just a fraction ;)
Thanks for that.
To get around the problem you need a newer version of apt4rpm, the version you need is 0.65.3, which is available from sourceforge or the SUSE-9.0 apt repository.
It works now. Many thanks. This is excellent. -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Web Address: http://www.mydestiny.net/~joe_morris Registered Linux user 231871 God said, I AM that I AM. I say, by the grace of God, I am what I am.
Op vrijdag 28 november 2003 00:42, schreef Joe Morris (NTM):
To get around the problem you need a newer version of apt4rpm, the version you need is 0.65.3, which is available from sourceforge or the SUSE-9.0 apt repository.
It works now. Many thanks. This is excellent.
Next step is to create a pre/post install script that (u)mount the dvd for you ;) And at the same time mount /usr, /opt etc writable/readable.... -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
On Tue, Nov 25, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Now this is just silly. The base (whole of 9.0) was just added to apt. Now I have over 1031 pkgs being upgraded because the packages in base are newer then the cd versions. The updated packages were not in update as they most likely just should have been but now it looks like pretty much an entire system upgrade. WOW! Isn't this just silly.
Ben, you should now that if you would diff the changelogs of this packages, you will not find more changes than CD set + updates. But if there is a fix for one package, we rebuild everything which depend on it. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk http://www.suse.de/~kukuk/ kukuk@suse.de SuSE Linux AG Deutschherrnstr. 15-19 D-90429 Nuernberg -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint = A368 676B 5E1B 3E46 CFCE 2D97 F8FD 4E23 56C6 FB4B
* Thorsten Kukuk (kukuk@suse.de) [031125 12:09]:
On Tue, Nov 25, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Now this is just silly. The base (whole of 9.0) was just added to apt. Now I have over 1031 pkgs being upgraded because the packages in base are newer then the cd versions. The updated packages were not in update as they most likely just should have been but now it looks like pretty much an entire system upgrade. WOW! Isn't this just silly.
Ben, you should now that if you would diff the changelogs of this packages, you will not find more changes than CD set + updates. But if there is a fix for one package, we rebuild everything which depend on it.
I was just being cranky and ranting a bit. It's been this way since I started using apt with 8.0 :) I just wanted to warn those who added the base directory that they were in for a large download. :) You know by now that sometimes I just sound off. ;) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===--- #147972 ---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org -- Why do we bother with a suicide watch when someone is on deathrow? " Keep an eye on this guy. We're gonna kill him, and we don't want him to hurt himself."
Op dinsdag 25 november 2003 20:44, schreef Ben Rosenberg:
Now this is just silly. The base (whole of 9.0) was just added to apt. Now I have over 1031 pkgs being upgraded because the packages in base are newer then the cd versions. The updated packages were not in update as they most likely just should have been but now it looks like pretty much an entire system upgrade. WOW! Isn't this just silly.
http://apt4rpm.sourceforge.net/faq.html#q27 -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
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