[opensuse] Remove all kde code from s11
I would like to try an experiment that involves running s11 with all kde code temporarily removed. Can I do this in such a way as to be able easily to restore the kde code after I run the experiment? Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 02:25:55PM +0100, Dave Feustel wrote:
I would like to try an experiment that involves running s11 with all kde code temporarily removed. Can I do this in such a way as to be able easily to restore the kde code after I run the experiment?
Shut your eyes and it is gone. .... What mean is: Why? This makes no sense? And the technical answer is: zypper remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 and it should get rid of everything KDE related. You should at this time take the list of packagds it removes and then keep it for later reinstall. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 02:41:56PM +0100, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 02:25:55PM +0100, Dave Feustel wrote:
I would like to try an experiment that involves running s11 with all kde code temporarily removed. Can I do this in such a way as to be able easily to restore the kde code after I run the experiment?
Shut your eyes and it is gone.
....
What mean is: Why? This makes no sense?
And the technical answer is: zypper remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 and it should get rid of everything KDE related.
You should at this time take the list of packagds it removes and then keep it for later reinstall.
Ciao, Marcus -- Thanks for the howto! I have been running Fedora 9 with all kde code removed and Fedora 9 runs 'better' for me that way. I want to try running S11 the same way and see if I get the same effect. (This is possible for me since I mainly run xterm, firefox, and vim). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 January 2009 14:59:49 Dave Feustel wrote:
Thanks for the howto! I have been running Fedora 9 with all kde code removed and Fedora 9 runs 'better' for me that way. I want to try running S11 the same way and see if I get the same effect. (This is possible for me since I mainly run xterm, firefox, and vim).
This must be a placebo effect. If you don't start a program, it can't possibly have any effect on your system, other than consuming disk space And no KDE components would be started by any of those three programs Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 04:35:27PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 14:59:49 Dave Feustel wrote:
Thanks for the howto! I have been running Fedora 9 with all kde code removed and Fedora 9 runs 'better' for me that way. I want to try running S11 the same way and see if I get the same effect. (This is possible for me since I mainly run xterm, firefox, and vim).
This must be a placebo effect. If you don't start a program, it can't possibly have any effect on your system, other than consuming disk space
The effect that I have noted on Fedora is definitely not placebo, but that effect may have no connection with the presence/absence of kde. That's one reason why I wanted to try running S11 without kde. I removed all of kde3 and noticed that a lot of software was downloaded during the removal process. OpenOffice 2.4 components were downloaded and I got a bunch of errors fro OO 2.4 when I ran it after removing kde3 stuff. Still wondering why all the stuff was downloaded.
And no KDE components would be started by any of those three programs.
What I failed to mention before is that Konqueror had been my default browser until I discovered NoScript plugin for Firefox and began using Firefox 100% of the time as my browser.
Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 January 2009 16:45:48 Dave Feustel wrote:
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 04:35:27PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 14:59:49 Dave Feustel wrote:
Thanks for the howto! I have been running Fedora 9 with all kde code removed and Fedora 9 runs 'better' for me that way. I want to try running S11 the same way and see if I get the same effect. (This is possible for me since I mainly run xterm, firefox, and vim).
This must be a placebo effect. If you don't start a program, it can't possibly have any effect on your system, other than consuming disk space
The effect that I have noted on Fedora is definitely not placebo, but that effect may have no connection with the presence/absence of kde. That's one reason why I wanted to try running S11 without kde.
I removed all of kde3 and noticed that a lot of software was downloaded during the removal process. OpenOffice 2.4 components were downloaded and I got a bunch of errors fro OO 2.4 when I ran it after removing kde3 stuff. Still wondering why all the stuff was downloaded.
Could be that you have non-standard repositories added, perhaps? Things were pulled in through dependencies which weren't there before?! Hard to say without knowing what it was that got installed.
And no KDE components would be started by any of those three programs.
What I failed to mention before is that Konqueror had been my default browser until I discovered NoScript plugin for Firefox and began using Firefox 100% of the time as my browser.
Ah, well, konqueror does have several drawbacks as a web browser, so switching to firefox would make a difference. But you don't have to uninstall kde just to do that Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 05:04:59PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 16:45:48 Dave Feustel wrote:
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 04:35:27PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 14:59:49 Dave Feustel wrote:
Thanks for the howto! I have been running Fedora 9 with all kde code removed and Fedora 9 runs 'better' for me that way. I want to try running S11 the same way and see if I get the same effect. (This is possible for me since I mainly run xterm, firefox, and vim).
This must be a placebo effect. If you don't start a program, it can't possibly have any effect on your system, other than consuming disk space
The effect that I have noted on Fedora is definitely not placebo, but that effect may have no connection with the presence/absence of kde. That's one reason why I wanted to try running S11 without kde.
I removed all of kde3 and noticed that a lot of software was downloaded during the removal process. OpenOffice 2.4 components were downloaded and I got a bunch of errors fro OO 2.4 when I ran it after removing kde3 stuff. Still wondering why all the stuff was downloaded.
Could be that you have non-standard repositories added, perhaps? Things were pulled in through dependencies which weren't there before?!
Note that I had those problems with OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Fedora and Suse. KDE/Konqueror is hard to interface with SELinux, according to _SELinux_ by Mccarty (p.40,p94).
Hard to say without knowing what it was that got installed.
And no KDE components would be started by any of those three programs.
What I failed to mention before is that Konqueror had been my default browser until I discovered NoScript plugin for Firefox and began using Firefox 100% of the time as my browser.
Ah, well, konqueror does have several drawbacks as a web browser, so switching to firefox would make a difference. But you don't have to uninstall kde just to do that
Actually, I really liked Konqueror and kde4, but Firefox with NoScript does pretty much exactly what I want even more than Konqueror did.
Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 January 2009 12:01:56 Dave Feustel wrote:
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 05:04:59PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 16:45:48 Dave Feustel wrote:
Note that I had those problems with OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Fedora and Suse. KDE/Konqueror is hard to interface with SELinux, according to _SELinux_ by Mccarty (p.40,p94).
Could you just skip KDE on the install and install another window manager, or do you want to run programs that need KDE ??? Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:07:21PM -0500, ka1ifq wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 12:01:56 Dave Feustel wrote:
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 05:04:59PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 16:45:48 Dave Feustel wrote:
Note that I had those problems with OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Fedora and Suse. KDE/Konqueror is hard to interface with SELinux, according to _SELinux_ by Mccarty (p.40,p94).
Could you just skip KDE on the install and install another window manager, or do you want to run programs that need KDE ???
Fedora was my first Linux install. Suse was my second. In both cases I really had no understanding of the install processes. Fedora installed without a separate partition for /boot (my error), so I am unable to complete the upgrade from F9 to F10. Suse installed better, but I have been warned that Suse 11.1 has problems and not to upgrade from 11.0 for a while. Suse 11.0 works well and I don't want to mess it up, so I proceed cautiously when I tweak that system. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 05:04:59PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 16:45:48 Dave Feustel wrote:
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 04:35:27PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 14:59:49 Dave Feustel wrote:
Thanks for the howto! I have been running Fedora 9 with all kde code removed and Fedora 9 runs 'better' for me that way. I want to try running S11 the same way and see if I get the same effect. (This is possible for me since I mainly run xterm, firefox, and vim).
This must be a placebo effect. If you don't start a program, it can't possibly have any effect on your system, other than consuming disk space
The effect that I have noted on Fedora is definitely not placebo, but that effect may have no connection with the presence/absence of kde. That's one reason why I wanted to try running S11 without kde.
I removed all of kde3 and noticed that a lot of software was downloaded during the removal process. OpenOffice 2.4 components were downloaded and I got a bunch of errors fro OO 2.4 when I ran it after removing kde3 stuff. Still wondering why all the stuff was downloaded.
Could be that you have non-standard repositories added, perhaps? Things were pulled in through dependencies which weren't there before?!
No non-standard repositories as far as I know (What's a non-standard repository?).
Hard to say without knowing what it was that got installed.
And no KDE components would be started by any of those three programs.
What I failed to mention before is that Konqueror had been my default browser until I discovered NoScript plugin for Firefox and began using Firefox 100% of the time as my browser.
Ah, well, konqueror does have several drawbacks as a web browser, so switching to firefox would make a difference. But you don't have to uninstall kde just to do that
Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 January 2009 18:04:21 Dave Feustel wrote:
No non-standard repositories as far as I know (What's a non-standard repository?).
A repository from some third-party source, or the Open Build Service. Basically any package source which does not contain the original distribution. If you don't have that, then I can't say what happened on your system, without knowing which packages were installed Oh, and about the "security" bugs: that is not helpful. If you don't keep separate security bugs from normal non-security relevant bugs, you are going to end up wasting a lot of time. If you do suspect an actual security problem, you should report it. We don't want to leave that kind of thing unchecked. Actually, you should report normal bugs as well, but with security bugs it's extra important that it gets dealt with as soon as possible. Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 06:22:15PM +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 25 January 2009 18:04:21 Dave Feustel wrote:
No non-standard repositories as far as I know (What's a non-standard repository?).
A repository from some third-party source, or the Open Build Service. Basically any package source which does not contain the original distribution.
If you don't have that, then I can't say what happened on your system, without knowing which packages were installed
Oh, and about the "security" bugs: that is not helpful. If you don't keep separate security bugs from normal non-security relevant bugs, you are going to end up wasting a lot of time.
Since I eliminated the kde 3/4 stuff, I haven't had anything happen that I needed even to investigate, much less report, so I am now saving a lot of time.
If you do suspect an actual security problem, you should report it. We don't want to leave that kind of thing unchecked.
Actually, you should report normal bugs as well, but with security bugs it's extra important that it gets dealt with as soon as possible.
Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday January 25 2009, Dave Feustel wrote:
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Since I eliminated the kde 3/4 stuff, I haven't had anything happen that I needed even to investigate, much less report, so I am now saving a lot of time.
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Since you said your earlier Fedora and this openSUSE are your first Linux installations, I wonder what were your criteria for "happenings" that required investigation and / or reporting on the operating systems you ran before Linux? Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dave Feustel escribió:
Thanks for the howto! I have been running Fedora 9 with all kde code removed and Fedora 9 runs 'better' for me that way.
That does not make sense... why you think it runs better ? -- "We have art in order not to die of the truth" - Friedrich Nietzsche Cristian Rodríguez R. Software Developer Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:54:33PM -0300, Cristian Rodr?guez wrote:
Dave Feustel escribió:
Thanks for the howto! I have been running Fedora 9 with all kde code removed and Fedora 9 runs 'better' for me that way.
That does not make sense... why you think it runs better ?
It is my completely unprovable opinion (as a result of running kde 3/4 on 4 platforms for several years) that there are security problems introduced by the presence of kde code. I removed the kde code from Fedora 9 and most, if not all, of the problems that I had been having stopped happening (AFAICT). That's it. And of course the Disk/memory footprint got somewhat smaller. That will be useful when I finally get a Linux netbook running either Fedora or Suse. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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