[opensuse] Leap 42.3 install woes
First time in years this wasn't smooth. Machine is "Dell XPS 8920 XPS8920-7922BLK-PUS Tower Desktop" https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N325O8P/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?i... Seems like dell doesn't sell it direct anymore, but it might still be too new for Leap 42.3 to handle. (possiblity that I got a defective one is not impossible - the graphics card wants a kernel upgrade, to be sure) Symptoms: 1) goes into text mode and stays there - not a surprise given the graphics card wants kernel 4.10 (it also keeps blinking the screen even in text mode) 2) tries to DHCP both the network interfaces, fails as I don't run DHCP At least it does know about both interfaces. 3) I hit "BACK" in the curses window, and it goes through language, and then get "Main Menu". Here I choose "Expert" and discover that it can't figure out where the DVD drive is - in fact, it only recognizes a "Multi Card Reader" and none of the HD, SSD nor DVD. 4) Choosing DVD / CD-ROM for Installation Source Medium gets "No Repository Found" It *does* seem to recognize a random thumb-drive when I insert it and ask "System Information" -> "Hard Disks or CD-ROMs". Maybe I need to burn the iso to such a thumb-drive? Though the bios might not go for it. Also, if 42.3 somehow can't work out the DVD drive at installation, that doesn't bode well for using it for oh, playing DVDs after a successful install... I'm off to try the thumb-drive approach. Suggestions welcomed. TIA Michael -- Michael Fischer michael@visv.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Michael Fischer <michael@visv.net> [12-11-17 22:35]:
First time in years this wasn't smooth.
Machine is "Dell XPS 8920 XPS8920-7922BLK-PUS Tower Desktop" https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N325O8P/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?i...
Seems like dell doesn't sell it direct anymore, but it might still be too new for Leap 42.3 to handle. (possiblity that I got a defective one is not impossible - the graphics card wants a kernel upgrade, to be sure)
Symptoms:
1) goes into text mode and stays there - not a surprise given the graphics card wants kernel 4.10 (it also keeps blinking the screen even in text mode)
2) tries to DHCP both the network interfaces, fails as I don't run DHCP At least it does know about both interfaces.
3) I hit "BACK" in the curses window, and it goes through language, and then get "Main Menu". Here I choose "Expert" and discover that it can't figure out where the DVD drive is - in fact, it only recognizes a "Multi Card Reader" and none of the HD, SSD nor DVD.
4) Choosing DVD / CD-ROM for Installation Source Medium gets "No Repository Found"
It *does* seem to recognize a random thumb-drive when I insert it and ask "System Information" -> "Hard Disks or CD-ROMs". Maybe I need to burn the iso to such a thumb-drive? Though the bios might not go for it.
Also, if 42.3 somehow can't work out the DVD drive at installation, that doesn't bode well for using it for oh, playing DVDs after a successful install...
I'm off to try the thumb-drive approach.
I use thumb drive or external hd for all installs now. my last laptop doesn't even have a slot for a dvd drive. I have not seen a bios in the last several years that did not provide booting from an external or usb drive. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Michael Fischer composed on 2017-12-11 22:32 (UTC-0500):
1) goes into text mode and stays there ... Suggestions welcomed.
http://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/xps-8920-desktop_reference%20guide_en-us.pdf suggests to me you might pull the AMD card out (which might resolve a resource allocation problem as well as shift to using Intel-supported gfx driver), install, then work out using the installed system how to get the AMD video to work. 7th Gen should be Kaby Lake, 8th Gen is latest, so the box shouldn't be too new for 42.3. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Dec 11, Felix Miata wrote:
Michael Fischer composed on 2017-12-11 22:32 (UTC-0500):
1) goes into text mode and stays there ... Suggestions welcomed.
http://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/xps-8920-desktop_reference%20guide_en-us.pdf suggests to me you might pull the AMD card out (which might resolve a resource allocation problem as well as shift to using Intel-supported gfx driver), install, then work out using the installed system how to get the AMD video to work.
See below, but a) do I _need_ to pull out the Radeon in order to make the Intel card work? b) after upgrading the kernel to one which knows about this Radeon card, how to make it "active"? Would it be something like * shutdown after upgrading kernel * move the cables to the Radeon * boot into text mode * startx ?????
7th Gen should be Kaby Lake, 8th Gen is latest, so the box shouldn't be too new for 42.3.
So, discovered a few things: 1) Install from USB at least gets through what it should (I aborted pending the below stupidity) - graphical yast kicks in, does normal stuff. h/t Patrick to your point about USB > DVD nowadays. 2) There appear to be two (2) graphics cards in there, one the Radeon RX 480, and an Intel one. I had an HDMI plugged into the Radeon during the install process, so it "works" in some sense (FB driver perhaps?), but at the last moment before commiting the install, I checked the hardware overview and it showed only the Intel Display. Amusingly (stupidly) enough, tonight I discovered what a "Display Port" is... Both the Intel card (1 HDMI, 1 Display) and the Radeon (1 HDMI, 3 Display) could serve my 2-monitor needs I guess. Display Port cables ordered.... 3) I had to boot into windows and run some "Intel Rapid Storage" thingy, to tell it that the SATA drive was "spare". Then set it to AHCI in the bios: http://www.dell.com/support/article/se/sv/sedhs1/sln285357/installing-linux-... Meh, but ok, fine. Now the installer can see /dev/sda. 4) Darn, forgot to check if it found the DVD properly. I do have a real use case for watching DVDs... Somewhat bizzare that this is a problem. So time out until the Display Port cables arrive. Thanks, Michael -- Michael Fischer michael@visv.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Michael Fischer composed on 2017-12-12 00:07 (UTC-0500):
a) do I _need_ to pull out the Radeon in order to make the Intel card work?
Likely. It has been with every PC I've ever encountered with Intel video onboard and a PCIe slot, except one, most of which have been Dells. Check setup for a possible option that permits otherwise. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Dec 12, Felix Miata wrote:
Michael Fischer composed on 2017-12-12 00:07 (UTC-0500):
a) do I _need_ to pull out the Radeon in order to make the Intel card work?
Likely. It has been with every PC I've ever encountered with Intel video onboard and a PCIe slot, except one, most of which have been Dells. Check setup for a possible option that permits otherwise.
Hmm. The install system (hardware) overview said display was only the Intel, perhaps because the install kernel doesn't have a radeon driver which knows the Radeon RX 480 at all. Curiously, the monitor was cabled to the RX 480 at the time... When you say "check setup", could you be more specific about what exactly to examine? Thanks. Michael -- Michael Fischer michael@visv.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Michael Fischer composed on 2017-12-12 01:23 (UTC-0500):
Felix Miata wrote:
Michael Fischer composed on 2017-12-12 00:07 (UTC-0500):
a) do I _need_ to pull out the Radeon in order to make the Intel card work?
Likely. It has been with every PC I've ever encountered with Intel video onboard and a PCIe slot, except one, most of which have been Dells. Check setup for a possible option that permits otherwise. ... When you say "check setup", could you be more specific about what exactly to examine?
F2 during POST. page 116 on http://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_desktop/esuprt_xps_des... but I don't see any such option. :-( -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Dec 12, Felix Miata wrote:
Michael Fischer composed on 2017-12-12 01:23 (UTC-0500):
Felix Miata wrote:
Michael Fischer composed on 2017-12-12 00:07 (UTC-0500):
a) do I _need_ to pull out the Radeon in order to make the Intel card work?
Likely. It has been with every PC I've ever encountered with Intel video onboard and a PCIe slot, except one, most of which have been Dells. Check setup for a possible option that permits otherwise. ... When you say "check setup", could you be more specific about what exactly to examine?
F2 during POST.
page 116 on http://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_desktop/esuprt_xps_des...
but I don't see any such option. :-(
Indeed - the absence of anything like "choose primary video card" in there is probably why I didn't think to ask you "In the BIOS, you mean?" :) Thanks much for the pointer to the manual. Michael -- Michael Fischer michael@visv.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 01:23:14 -0500 Michael Fischer wrote:
Hmm. The install system (hardware) overview said display was only the Intel, perhaps because the install kernel doesn't have a radeon driver which knows the Radeon RX 480 at all. Curiously, the monitor was cabled to the RX 480 at the time...
Hi Michaeal, I seem to recall having to do the following to install 42.3 on my systems: a. tap the 'e' (edit) key when the installer's initial menu appears b. arrow down to place the cursor on the 'installation' option command line c. tap your 'End' (go to end of line) key, then arrow back and insert the following (between the single quotes) into the boot command line string: ' nomodeset' d. tap F10 to boot using this modified command line string to run the installation After it's installed and the system has been rebooted and fully updated, /that's/ the time to start dealing with your proprietary add-in graphics adapter, IMHO. YMMV of course, but I hope this helps. regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Dec 12, Carl Hartung wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 01:23:14 -0500 Michael Fischer wrote:
Hmm. The install system (hardware) overview said display was only the Intel, perhaps because the install kernel doesn't have a radeon driver which knows the Radeon RX 480 at all. Curiously, the monitor was cabled to the RX 480 at the time...
Hi Michaeal,
I seem to recall having to do the following to install 42.3 on my systems:
a. tap the 'e' (edit) key when the installer's initial menu appears
b. arrow down to place the cursor on the 'installation' option command line
c. tap your 'End' (go to end of line) key, then arrow back and insert the following (between the single quotes) into the boot command line string: ' nomodeset'
d. tap F10 to boot using this modified command line string to run the installation
After it's installed and the system has been rebooted and fully updated, /that's/ the time to start dealing with your proprietary add-in graphics adapter, IMHO. YMMV of course, but I hope this helps.
Yeah, I had to do that several years ago. On the machine I'm currently on, I used to use FGLRX, but 42.3 "just worked" straight off, even with dual monitors - quite happy with that one, but now it needs to be replaced. If I can persuade it to use the Intel card to start with, that will likely work without much haggling. Thanks. Michael -- Michael Fischer michael@visv.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Ok, that went WEIRD. Install from "succeeded" insofar as I got a bootable system, but... * While the Radeon Ellesmere (RX 470/480), module amdgpu was recognized by the installer, and I selected KDE (just to get started), it came up only in text mode. I may indeed have to remove the darn thing to get the machine to use the Intel - tried plugging the monitor in there, but it didn't think there was any input. * Though network config seemed to work, and many packages were "downloaded", (and ssh worked after reboot), it skipped asking me about repositories this time which could have something to do with the following: * MANY MANY packages/binaries were not installed, e.g. 'sudo', 'hwinfo' to name a few... `bash: zypper: command not found` is a sort of irretrievable problem. Off to try to remove this Radeon -- which does not appear to be easy. Michael -- Michael Fischer michael@visv.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Dec 13, Michael Fischer wrote:
Ok, that went WEIRD.
Install from "succeeded" insofar as I got a bootable system, but...
* While the Radeon Ellesmere (RX 470/480), module amdgpu was recognized by the installer, and I selected KDE (just to get started), it came up only in text mode. I may indeed have to remove the darn thing to get the machine to use the Intel - tried plugging the monitor in there, but it didn't think there was any input.
* Though network config seemed to work, and many packages were "downloaded", (and ssh worked after reboot), it skipped asking me about repositories this time which could have something to do with the following:
* MANY MANY packages/binaries were not installed, e.g. 'sudo', 'hwinfo' to name a few...
`bash: zypper: command not found`
is a sort of irretrievable problem.
Off to try to remove this Radeon -- which does not appear to be easy.
For anyone following along at home, that worked out ok. * Radeon wasn't so bad to remove, once I looked at the manual Felix was nice enough to send before (h/t). And indeed, the machine flipped to the Intel card without further messing around. * Repos appear to have been some weird oversight on my part. Though it *did* show me that screen twice... I still just clicked on the repos button and accepted what was checked (twice). Not sure why it didn't work before. Most things seem to be working, though I've yet to test dual monitor and audio, or the DVD. Will have to post later on "have I got the best guide for adding a more recent kernel" and trying out the fancy video card. Thanks to all for pitching in. Michael -- Michael Fischer michael@visv.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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* While the Radeon Ellesmere (RX 470/480), module amdgpu was recognized by the installer, and I selected KDE (just to get started), it came up only in text mode.
KDE is a bit finicky regarding video. Maybe another desktop works, provided you get the login screen at least. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAloydJcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VuEwCfV+HReHwRQ2sj1XLYf8rmO+Lk QCoAnikNMGj2U3KD22s1szk/NpyUBaKn =jYR1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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