[opensuse] Communication to the community and others (was: SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray)
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 08:58:24PM +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 08:16:55PM +0200, houghi wrote:
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 01:38:51PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote:
So you won't see SuSE/Novell offering such external links. However, we will support a standard way of repository linking in the future.
Here I am telling everybody it is SUSE not SuSE and then I see people from SUSE writing SuSE instead of SUSE. :-(
In the end, we do not care anymore. Everyone knows what is meant.
Pitty that you don't care. I personaly believe that looking as one and that means writing the name of what you represent, is importand. To me this falls under communications. (Others might call it Marketing or Corporate Identity, wich to me *is* communication.) It seems to be a running issue that communication is not that good with SUSE/openSUSE. Technically you are the best. Communication is lacking enormously. Using SuSE instead of SUSE is just a very small part of it. Unfortunatly this communications problem is with us since the beginning of openSUSE.org. I have no idea who should be handeling communications to the outside (openSUSE) world, but I think that function should be re-evaluated, if it exists at all. It looks as if almost all communication is done afterwards by a technical person as a best effort. Hreat of that person doing it. It would just be better if many (not all) commications where done earlier or were done at all. Too many things have happend where afterwards it was said: Oh, and we did such and such. Or information was confusing or only given after asking for it. Understand that I am not dissing the person who might be doing it right now. I am saying that the function should be re-evealuated and changed. This *could* mean: More time for communication. More feedback from technical people. More backup from management. More pro-active information. Or change to whatever is lacking at the moment so that communications becomes something important and functional. Due to the fact that most information will be coming from within SUSE and Novell, it must be an emplyee. An other person will not be able to get some information and also will not be able to demand information. houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome. If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com, post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
houghi wrote:
[...] Pitty that you don't care. I personaly believe that looking as one and that means writing the name of what you represent, is importand. To me this falls under communications. (Others might call it Marketing or Corporate Identity, wich to me *is* communication.)
It seems to be a running issue that communication is not that good with SUSE/openSUSE. Technically you are the best. Communication is lacking enormously. Using SuSE instead of SUSE is just a very small part of it.
Unfortunatly this communications problem is with us since the beginning of openSUSE.org.
Well, I think it's somehow ridiculous to conclude from the usage of the term "SuSE" instead of "SUSE" that there is a communication problem between Novell employees and the community. You might be right that, in general, we could improve the information flow. Nevertheless, you should recognize that many people still favour "SuSE" (or "S.u.S.E.") over "SUSE". You are not going to change this, regardless how often you repeat your message ;-) Cheers, Th. *also a member of the secret brotherhood of traditionalists* --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 09:35:12PM +0100, Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Well, I think it's somehow ridiculous to conclude from the usage of the term "SuSE" instead of "SUSE" that there is a communication problem between Novell employees and the community.
It is one part that shows that communication is lacking. Obviously it is not the only way that I noticed this.
You might be right that, in general, we could improve the information flow.
So how can we improve this?
Nevertheless, you should recognize that many people still favour "SuSE" (or "S.u.S.E.") over "SUSE". You are not going to change this, regardless how often you repeat your message ;-)
As there is only one correct way to spell it, I feel it is not a 'favour' thing. I would like to call it Suze Randall instead of SUSE Linux. Although that would be *my* favour, it would still be wrong. The issue is still, I believe, that communication is lacking and lacking seriously. Calling something the wrong name is just part of the issue. houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome. If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com, post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, houghi wrote:
The issue is still, I believe, that communication is lacking and lacking seriously. Calling something the wrong name is just part of the issue.
You are once more trying to dig deeper than your little bony finger is long. Stop this shit please soon... BTW: There was not a name change. S.u.S.E is still SuSE is still SUSE. In my reception, the openSUSE project is a great success. Just have a look at the build server - there is the real communication going on: 300 or more package builds per day already, 460 on thursday. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 02:09:21AM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, houghi wrote:
The issue is still, I believe, that communication is lacking and lacking seriously. Calling something the wrong name is just part of the issue.
You are once more trying to dig deeper than your little bony finger is long. Stop this shit please soon...
Why do you have to be so degenerating all the time if you disagree: "your little bony finger". There was no reason to use that wording.
BTW: There was not a name change. S.u.S.E is still SuSE is still SUSE.
OK, I get you. Now can we get to what I was writing about.
In my reception, the openSUSE project is a great success. Just have a look at the build server - there is the real communication going on: 300 or more package builds per day already, 460 on thursday.
OK, if you think there is no lack of communication because there is a lot done technically, great. I just feel there is an enourmous lack in communication. It is an issue that has been talked about in the past and I have not seen any real improvement. Apparently I am the only person who sees it that way, so I will rest it at that. Let the future decide. houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome. If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com, post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, houghi wrote:
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 02:09:21AM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
You are once more trying to dig deeper than your little bony finger is long. Stop this shit please soon...
Why do you have to be so degenerating all the time if you disagree: "your little bony finger". There was no reason to use that wording.
Houghi, you are doing a good job here, but sometimes you are simply too much penetrating with just "seeable" but not real problems.
BTW: There was not a name change. S.u.S.E is still SuSE is still SUSE.
OK, I get you. Now can we get to what I was writing about.
I just don't care about spelling changes. Anyone caring about that is not more than a poor marketing fuzzy. Remember the "hard" decision process about the "chamaeleon direction". The result is good or at least not worse than before, but the process was bad.
In my reception, the openSUSE project is a great success. Just have a look at the build server - there is the real communication going on: 300 or more package builds per day already, 460 on thursday.
OK, if you think there is no lack of communication because there is a lot done technically, great.
I just feel there is an enourmous lack in communication. It is an issue that has been talked about in the past and I have not seen any real improvement. Apparently I am the only person who sees it that way, so I will rest it at that. Let the future decide.
Just go on, but please watch where you are starting to penetrate "the community" with theoretical-only black screens. Lenin once said: " Die Praxis ist das Kriterium der Wahrheit". Practice is the proof of truth. There is no open project which has the communication level it should have. This is why open projects live from persons which have good "social instincts", compensating the missing communication, this is how it ever will be. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 02:56:08AM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
OK, I get you. Now can we get to what I was writing about.
I just don't care about spelling changes. Anyone caring about that is not more than a poor marketing fuzzy.
I do care and I think that marketing aspect is important for a lot of reasons. If we want to become the <q>most widely used open source platform</q> marketing is a not unimportant part in the whole process.
Remember the "hard" decision process about the "chamaeleon direction". The result is good or at least not worse than before, but the process was bad.
Not sure what you are talking about here. Sorry.
Just go on, but please watch where you are starting to penetrate "the community" with theoretical-only black screens.
No idea what you mean by this. Sorry.
Lenin once said: " Die Praxis ist das Kriterium der Wahrheit". Practice is the proof of truth.
There is no open project which has the communication level it should have.
I understand that it never will be as people will want it. That does not mean that it does not need improvement or that we should sit still and do nothing.
This is why open projects live from persons which have good "social instincts", compensating the missing communication, this is how it ever will be.
Sure. That is also very important. Communication is also an importand part and even if we never achieve perfection it is good to get it improved and try to reach perfection. houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome. If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com, post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, houghi wrote:
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 02:56:08AM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
OK, I get you. Now can we get to what I was writing about.
I just don't care about spelling changes. Anyone caring about that is not more than a poor marketing fuzzy.
I do care and I think that marketing aspect is important for a lot of reasons. If we want to become the <q>most widely used open source platform</q> marketing is a not unimportant part in the whole process.
May be more or less important, but absolutely secondary. The worse the product, the better you need the marketing. But we have a good product.
Remember the "hard" decision process about the "chamaeleon direction". The result is good or at least not worse than before, but the process was bad.
Not sure what you are talking about here. Sorry.
Maybe you are too young. ;-)) The original chamaeleon was looking and stalking to the left. Compare with the current. ;-))
Just go on, but please watch where you are starting to penetrate "the community" with theoretical-only black screens.
No idea what you mean by this. Sorry.
Just try to be more productive in your small array than black-painting in the global arena.
Lenin once said: " Die Praxis ist das Kriterium der Wahrheit". Practice is the proof of truth.
There is no open project which has the communication level it should have.
I understand that it never will be as people will want it. That does not mean that it does not need improvement or that we should sit still and do nothing.
Not sitting still, but not neglecting the practice.
This is why open projects live from persons which have good "social instincts", compensating the missing communication, this is how it ever will be.
Sure. That is also very important. Communication is also an importand part and even if we never achieve perfection it is good to get it improved and try to reach perfection.
Surely. But there is an old german joke: meeting two psychiatrists, each one is starting to talk some nice social words, and seeing that they just are acting nonsense, both are stating "but it was nice that we have talked about it". Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 03:34:40AM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
May be more or less important, but absolutely secondary.
Yes, and?
The worse the product, the better you need the marketing. But we have a good product.
Yes, and? Mercedes has a good product, yet they also use marketing. There are many great products that still use marketing. One does not exclude the other. This is an and-and situation, not an or-or situation. <snip>
Just try to be more productive in your small array than black-painting in the global arena.
I am trying to do my part to get a discussion going about communication.
I understand that it never will be as people will want it. That does not mean that it does not need improvement or that we should sit still and do nothing.
Not sitting still, but not neglecting the practice.
I accknowledge the practice and I think it should improve. The practice I see is that it needs a lot of improvement. If the practice was great, then no 'real' improvement would be needed. So we agree on not sitting still. Now what can we do while not sitting still? Some first steps. What are the ways and policies on how things are communicated to openSUSE, to the press and to the genral public? Is there an `official openSUSE` representation outside of openSUSE.org and its mailinglists, or is it just happenig here? Do we need openSUSE-representation outside of openSUSE.org and co? houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome. If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com, post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, houghi wrote:
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 03:34:40AM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
May be more or less important, but absolutely secondary.
Yes, and?
"secondary", a classification which you seem to not understand.
The worse the product, the better you need the marketing. But we have a good product.
Yes, and? Mercedes has a good product, yet they also use marketing. There are many great products that still use marketing. One does not exclude the other. This is an and-and situation, not an or-or situation.
The main thing to respect for you is: do not pollute the public / penetrate the individuals too much with your very personal weights of reality.
<snip>
Just try to be more productive in your small array than black-painting in the global arena.
I am trying to do my part to get a discussion going about communication.
Yes, too much.
I understand that it never will be as people will want it. That does not mean that it does not need improvement or that we should sit still and do nothing.
Not sitting still, but not neglecting the practice.
I accknowledge the practice and I think it should improve. The practice I see is that it needs a lot of improvement. If the practice was great, then no 'real' improvement would be needed.
So we agree on not sitting still. Now what can we do while not sitting still?
Just work in the small arena, not in the public.
Some first steps. What are the ways and policies on how things are communicated to openSUSE, to the press and to the genral public? Is there an `official openSUSE` representation outside of openSUSE.org and its mailinglists, or is it just happenig here? Do we need openSUSE-representation outside of openSUSE.org and co?
Go on struggling, but stop penetrating "the community". Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 04:03:45AM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
I am trying to do my part to get a discussion going about communication.
Yes, too much.
So I should just shut up and do nothing?
Some first steps. What are the ways and policies on how things are communicated to openSUSE, to the press and to the genral public? Is there an `official openSUSE` representation outside of openSUSE.org and its mailinglists, or is it just happenig here? Do we need openSUSE-representation outside of openSUSE.org and co?
Go on struggling, but stop penetrating "the community".
How can I do that? I am not 'penetrating' the community, I try to adress an issue that I think needs attention. Oh whatever. Forget I said anything. Let me just look only at the technical things. The rest is secondary and thus not important. And thanks for not answering or adressing any of the questions I asked. houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome. If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: suse-linux-e-subscribe@suse.com, post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Sat, 10 Jun 2006, houghi wrote:
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 04:03:45AM +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
I am trying to do my part to get a discussion going about communication.
Yes, too much.
So I should just shut up and do nothing?
Come on, don't play the stupid child here.
Some first steps. What are the ways and policies on how things are communicated to openSUSE, to the press and to the genral public? Is there an `official openSUSE` representation outside of openSUSE.org and its mailinglists, or is it just happenig here? Do we need openSUSE-representation outside of openSUSE.org and co?
Go on struggling, but stop penetrating "the community".
How can I do that? I am not 'penetrating' the community, I try to adress an issue that I think needs attention.
I will in no way tolerate that anybody is trying to "agitate" me in this list, and this just too is meaning you. 100 percent.
Oh whatever. Forget I said anything. Let me just look only at the technical things. The rest is secondary and thus not important.
OK, let your parents look for the next kindergarden for you.
And thanks for not answering or adressing any of the questions I asked.
You are welcome. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
houghi wrote:
[...] The issue is still, I believe, that communication is lacking and lacking seriously.
OK, that's your point of view and it's a fair opinion. At the end of the day, it means that Novell employees might have more work and should change their behaviour of communicating with us, the community. So you need to somehow convince them that this is necessary/beneficial and you should come up with a list in what area and in which way the communication could be improved (saying "it must be improved" is far too general). It must be a practical proposal that is easy to put into action. If you post such a proposal, others can add to it if desired and necessary. And if it's really realistic and practical, I am sure our friends at Novell do not object to put it into action... Cheers, Th. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
Thomas Hertweck wrote:
day, it means that Novell employees might have more work and should change their behaviour of communicating with us
not only them :-)... but Is there already a place where we could list the todo things discussed but not already done, like * may we have a forum * may we rename the mailing lists * the XX wiki need to be launched There is a "task" page for Novell to ask help from users, be the other way I don't find one (may be there is one and I didn't find it :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 10 June 2006 14:13, jdd wrote:
Is there already a place where we could list the todo things discussed but not already done, like
The action items filed to Bugzilla? Bye, Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
Stephan Binner wrote:
On Saturday 10 June 2006 14:13, jdd wrote:
Is there already a place where we could list the todo things discussed but not already done, like
The action items filed to Bugzilla?
problem is nobody is usually given an AI, because the discussion is never really ending :-) Well, I open a todo page, will see what happen with it http://en.opensuse.org/To_do jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Stephan Binner wrote:
On Saturday 10 June 2006 14:13, jdd wrote:
Is there already a place where we could list the todo things discussed but not already done, like
The action items filed to Bugzilla?
problem is nobody is usually given an AI, because the discussion is never really ending :-)
Well, I open a todo page, will see what happen with it
jdd
and Front page redesign was given an AI, but not to be found on bugzilla I used to page To do, and filled references to the mailing list jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
Hello, (I have 500 unread mails in opensuse, sorry for the late answer ;-) Am Montag, 12. Juni 2006 12:11 schrieb jdd:
and Front page redesign was given an AI, but not to be found on bugzilla
Quoting http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2006-Mar/0023.html: opensuse.org frontpage redesign Action Item michl: - discuss front page redesign on opensuse-wiki The discussion was done multiple times, so I'd say this AI is done. ;-) *SCNR* BTW: In later mails, I wrote summaries about the status of the AIs. http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2006-Mar/0139.html http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2006-Apr/0125.html + Replies and put several AIs to bugzilla. Feel free to verify the summaries and complain if I missed something ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz --
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Christian Boltz wrote:
and Front page redesign was given an AI, but not to be found on bugzilla
Quoting http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2006-Mar/0023.html: opensuse.org frontpage redesign Action Item michl: - discuss front page redesign on opensuse-wiki
The discussion was done multiple times, so I'd say this AI is done. ;-) *SCNR*
well... I don't think you want to say that a discussion is all what is worth the subject :-). after all, AI means _Action_ Item. So we need any kind of Action calendar. May be the subject is important enough for Novell giving some sort of artwork help? We know that, when a version release is near, all the efforts a to it, so we need to do this now... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
Thomas Hertweck schrieb:
houghi wrote: [...] The issue is still, I believe, that communication is lacking and lacking seriously.
So you need to somehow convince them that this is necessary/beneficial and you should come up with a list in what area and in which way the communication could be improved (saying "it must be improved" is far too general).
I would like to discuss the criteria for software release decisions. I don't read factory, so sorry, if this was discussed there. But in future I would really like the community to be asked, if features like the packages selection in yast are dumped. There is no replacement, and it is an important feature in heterogenous environments, where autoyast is not feasible. So is it until now simply up to the coder of zypp, which features are supported and which ones not? As this "bug" was reported before the final release, what are the criteria for decisions in the beta phase? Manager (who wants SUSE Linux as test bed for the enterprise version) over release engineer? And please, here no discussion about package selections or autoyast, but about the criteria for decisions in the software release. 10.1, IMHO, proved that there is room for improvement. Ciao Siegbert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
Siegbert Baude wrote:
[...] I would like to discuss the criteria for software release decisions.
If this could happen, I would appreciate it as well.
I don't read factory, so sorry, if this was discussed there.
Same for me.
But in future I would really like the community to be asked, if features like the packages selection in yast are dumped. There is no replacement, and it is an important feature in heterogenous environments, where autoyast is not feasible. So is it until now simply up to the coder of zypp, which features are supported and which ones not? As this "bug" was reported before the final release, what are the criteria for decisions in the beta phase? Manager (who wants SUSE Linux as test bed for the enterprise version) over release engineer?
I can see several problems: 1) Some decisions are strategic decisions made by Novell. I don't think that the community is going to have any influence on these decisions. They are mainly made at the (upper) management level, and they are mainly driven by the enterprise products not by the SUSE Linux OSS products. 2) If you asked the community, whether e.g. package ABC could be dropped, I am sure that some people would tell you that they still use package ABC and that, of course, it should not be dropped. So who is then going to decide? If things like that are discussed on opensuse-factory, I think we should have a summary about the major outcomes on this list as well (from time to time). It's simply impossible to follow all lists with the appropriate attention... Well, at the end of the day, it's up to Novell and Novell employees to put something like your proposal into action. Core team, any suggestions? Cheers, Th. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
Thomas Hertweck wrote:
Well, at the end of the day, it's up to Novell and Novell employees to put something like your proposal into action. Core team, any suggestions?
http://en.opensuse.org/To_do ?? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@opensuse.org
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