Larry Stotler skrev:

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

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- I'm finally done with my byggy and odd behaving openSusE11.1 with KDE4.n. I now resort to the good old windows solution when problems stike; re-install. Sigh.

Happens sometimes....

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Printing doesn't work properly. No sound. Desktop behaves odd - but only now and then. I've updated all that there is to update. My repos are ok. I have a DVD issue from Linux Format from may '09. Is it ok to use that one as an installation foundation? And once installed, will the on-line update then give me a recent/decent openSuSE11.1?

Should work similar to downloading the dvd iso. Once you have it installed, just run the online update config from yast.

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Which KDE4 will be on it?

11.1 shipped with 4.1.3

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From what I hear (here) and read, KDE4.3 (or was it two...) is good enough for daily use. How can I install that beast - or is that the version that will finally end up on my HD?

Once you have finished installing, you can use the one click install to update to 4.3:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/openSU...

Read this page for more info:

http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4

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FYI: I have '/home' on a separate partion, I back up /etc and other important stuff before moving on. Any last minute life saving suggestion before I pull it?

You should be fine. Are you sure it's not a hardware problem? you could run badblocks on your hard drive to make sure its ok. I've seen failing drives make systems go screwy, so it wouldn't hurt to check. There's also the ultimate boot cd which has lots of good utilities on it.

Good luck

Good evening, - thank you for the advice. - I installed openSuSE11.1 and updated it 100%. - then I went for (as instructed) KDE4.3 (One click from the website) which breaks completely with 100s of unfullfilled dependencies. Oh, what a pile of.. So I go for KDE4.2 (One click from the website) which breaks completely with 100s of unfullfilled dependencies. The KDE web says: "If you get a message that dependencies cannot be resolved, enter the "Advanced Mode" of the one-click handler and enable the "standard" online repository of your distribution." I did that. Same thing, 100s of dependency errors. I aborted the installs. But one thing is good though...I got sound. KDE plays a sound when I log in and it plays a sound when I log out. It hasn't done so for months. Thunderbird is back in place, it works. Firefox works. I'd like very much to get flying with KDE4.2 or KDE4.3,- or so I think... Why should I not stay on KDE 4.1.3? Is it just because it's newer that I think it's better? I need a stable (openSUSE) desktop, that's my primary goal. To sum up, I'm now on a complety new openSuSE11.1 which is fully updated. Kernel says 2.6.27.25-0.1-pae, KDE says: KDE4.1.3 release 4.10.4 Any ideas/comments? -- ------------------------------ Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard Open Source Academy +45 56964223 Novell Certified Linux Professional 10035701 Linux Counter no 114954 ------------------------------ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 11 August 2009 06:52:32 pm Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Jean-Pierre Abgottspon [08-11-09 12:41]:

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You just did the right move Verner ! The 11.1 version is a pile of rubbish. Instead of switching to W'dows however, I backed down to version OpenSuse/Novell 10.3 (I am still a Linux worshipper). As a newbie I can make 10.3 work proper. Looking forward to version 11.2, due out in the fall I believe.

As a "newbie", your words, how are you *qualified* to rate 11.1 as "rubbish"? Rather *strong* words for one with no foundation!

Dear Patrick, 1. A "newbie" in a Linux world can be someone who has joined the 'elected tribe' some 8 years back. Had managed to, on his own, to get into the Internet and manage his PC + devices virtually on the GUI alone. A "newbie" is fully aware of the command line level possibilities but does not necessarily master them. 2. A "newbie" buying an OpenSuse/Novell distrubution expects the THING to set up its comunications lines without any hiccup, allows him to choose his device drivers, so that his printer, his audio/video world PERFORMS, his comcard and connection options to the his provider are opened without spending 3 years figuring out how or where to find the magic fix up to make it work (and if it does not, it's rubbish). Patrick if there were more of you making sure that 'OpenSuse/Novell' solutions worked off the cuff, rather than questionning newbie qualifications, this Linux bit world would be paradise. 3. Dont' you think I am critical. I live close to Zermatt/Switzerland. Contact me off the mailing list and when you go to see the Matterhorn, stop over at my place. There is a bottle of wine in the fridge waiting for you. JPA

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On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 16:59 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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Dear Patrick, 1. A "newbie" in a Linux world can be someone who has joined the 'elected tribe' some 8 years back. Had managed to, on his own, to get into the Internet and manage his PC + devices virtually on the GUI alone. A "newbie" is fully aware of the command line level possibilities but does not necessarily master them.

That is nobodys definition of a "newbie"

I think most, if not all of us, are "newbies" in some area of this distro. The amount of languages, tools, audio/video/network-stuff, all-sorts of programs, (ever looked on the amount of stuff available on the OBS?) is really overwhelming. I'm using SuSE for quite a while, and still learning every day. Some off us are experienced users or even guru's at some fields, but newbies in hundred others.... hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On Tuesday 11 August 2009 06:52:32 pm Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Jean-Pierre Abgottspon [08-11-09 12:41]:

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You just did the right move Verner ! The 11.1 version is a pile of rubbish. Instead of switching to W'dows however, I backed down to version OpenSuse/Novell 10.3 (I am still a Linux worshipper). As a newbie I can make 10.3 work proper. Looking forward to version 11.2, due out in the fall I believe. As a "newbie", your words, how are you *qualified* to rate 11.1 as "rubbish"? Rather *strong* words for one with no foundation!

Dear Patrick,

1. A "newbie" in a Linux world can be someone who has joined the 'elected tribe' some 8 years back. Had managed to, on his own, to get into the Internet and manage his PC + devices virtually on the GUI alone. A "newbie" is fully aware of the command line level possibilities but does not necessarily master them.

2. A "newbie" buying an OpenSuse/Novell distrubution expects the THING to set up its comunications lines without any hiccup, allows him to choose his device drivers, so that his printer, his audio/video world PERFORMS, his comcard and connection options to the his provider are opened without spending 3 years figuring out how or where to find the magic fix up to make it work (and if it does not, it's rubbish). Patrick if there were more of you making sure that 'OpenSuse/Novell' solutions worked off the cuff, rather than questionning newbie qualifications, this Linux bit world would be paradise.

[...snip] Hi Jean-Pierre, sorry to enter into the topic; if you paid for your OpenSuse/Novell, than you are entitled to receive support from the company, this is your right. BR, - -- Marco Calistri <amdturion> The wife serves, the brother inherits -- Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #137 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkqB51sACgkQi4zJuA3lyFcz4ACfYJhYilSF6G8WU/Poj1o8Kbjd MDAAn1SQDqfuQnDTlf+XfgJLwXY2Y5b7 =JLTb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hello, On Aug 11 18:49 Marco Calistri wrote (shortened):

if you paid for your OpenSuse/Novell, than you are entitled to receive support from the company, this is your right.

Nitpicking and strictly speaking: No. But: If you paid for support for whatever product, than you are entitled to receive support from the company or organization which actually provides the support. For example you may have paid for whatever kind of distribution of openSUSE (e.g. you got it via whatever kind of web-shop or as a special edition of a computer magazine or whatever). Then this might not include any payment for any kind of support. For example you may have paid for whatever kind of distribution of openSUSE which includes whatever kind of support via whatever kind of third-party support company/organization. In short: View the documentation from where you got your particular openSUSE distribution regarding the individual exact terms for support. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Frankly I think KDE 4.x needs a little bit of development time. It's not stable on all platforms as yet. From the very first installation it's graphics on my opensuse 11.1 is edgy. The Plasma panel behaves as if it has been stretched to perform on a machine from the Jurassic age. Same for Firefox or Konqueror. Beauty of Linux is that it can maximize even your measly hardwares. Though I don't think my hardware is that archaic. (P4 2.8Ghz, 512mb ram, onboard intel extreme graphics 2, standard set of mouse, keyboard, monitor and ADSL modem). So I have decided to go back to Ubuntu 9.04 today. For the simple reason that it is idiot proof. But I will check out opensuse 11.2 in fall. Cause I am not a big fan of Factory. Stability wins any day over eyecandy. May be this is what all newbies should do ..... begin with a dumb distro like ubuntu.... move on to the intermediates like suse or fedora and finally if you are really hell bent on bragging about your linux skills may be slackware :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org