Re: [SLE] GET 8.1 PROFESSIONAL UPGRADE!

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Jon Biddell

18 Sep 2002 18 Sep '02

22:51

At 18/09/2002 13:58, you wrote:

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According to Rick in SuSE Customer Support, the disks ( both DVD and CD's) are identical to those in the Professional Edition, but the so-called "Upgrade" version only costs $50. The only PAPER manual you get is an upgrade manual; since I only use the manuals on the disks anyway, who cares?

Damn, that's expensive for an upgrade.... $50US = $100 Australian, PLUS shipping - the local distributor probably won't handle them as the price is too close to that of the full product... Same problem with the 8.0 Office Pro CD as well. Jon

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Michael Nelson

18 Sep 18 Sep

23:32

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 08:51:27AM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote: -> Damn, that's expensive for an upgrade.... $50US = $100 Australian, PLUS -> shipping - the local distributor probably won't handle them as the price is -> too close to that of the full product... I agree, it's outrageous. At that rate, we're looking at $200/yr to stay current. That's more expensive than Microsoft. Michael -- Michael Nelson San Francisco, CA

jfweber＠eternal.net

12:00

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** Reply to message from Michael Nelson on Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:32:09 -0700 **I agree, it's outrageous. At that rate, we're looking at $200/yr to stay **current. That's more expensive than Microsoft. <BANG> <BANG> <THUMP> nonononononononono! please, can't you guys wait til there are copies in someone's hands before you begin the ranting Whines??? At this point you've not heard anything from anyone who has copy in hand... and it just could be that it is well worth the upgrade at any cost... or not. No one has a gun to your head , do they? ( I which case send your local phone number and area code to the list and we'll see about getting a 911 out t0 your local gendarmerie ... **That's more expensive than Microsoft. BTW, I keep seeing folks say that, and wonder where they get their MS upgrades??? HTe last one I got w2kpro, where I paid , for the Priviledge of being a beta tester still cost me nearlly $180 ( US) .... If you mean their "bugfixes and alleged security updates" are free, so are SuSE's ... open your control center and select yast2 modules-->software -->online update , and when the thing opens and you've enetered the proper pword ... make sure to get the list from the ftp.gwdg.de location and let it rip ... it's as free as it can get ... given you must have some sort of online acount to even get email.. Before 8.0 got to the local shops here the online update had updated two of the boxen here to what the 8.0 clean install did for another one later... -- j

Jon Biddell

23:47

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At 18/09/2002 16:32, Michael Nelson wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 08:51:27AM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote:

-> Damn, that's expensive for an upgrade.... $50US = $100 Australian, PLUS -> shipping - the local distributor probably won't handle them as the price is -> too close to that of the full product...

I agree, it's outrageous. At that rate, we're looking at $200/yr to stay current. That's more expensive than Microsoft.

When I first bought SuSE, I got 6.3... I gave that away when 7.0 came out (IMHO, the BEST set of manuals of any version yet)... 7.1 I copied from a friend, I bought 7.2 (just gave it away to a new Linux user), I bought 7.3, and I'm now using 8.0..... I will NOT buy minor releases any more... 9.0 is the next one... Unless there is an overwhelming reason to do so.... A few of us are going to share out 8.1 copy when it arrives... I believe in supporting SuSE as much as many of you do (and keeping Chris employed !!), but the prices are starting to get to be a worry..... Yes, Like MickeySoft !!! Any Australian users want to colaborate on upgrades, etc. contact me directly...:-) Jon

Thomas Jones

23:56

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I agree whole heartedly! I too am an avid SuSE user. I have bought via commercial stores...every professional version since 7.0. But it's getting to be a bit steep. I think i may have to also go with a 'Linux User Pool' such as the ones stated earlier in this thread. After all, i don't think i really need to utilize the manuals. Someone else might have better use of it than me. ***Anyone in the US want to collaborate resources and agree to purchase 8.1?*** On Wednesday 18 September 2002 18:47, Jon Biddell wrote:

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At 18/09/2002 16:32, Michael Nelson wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 08:51:27AM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote:

-> Damn, that's expensive for an upgrade.... $50US = $100 Australian, PLUS -> shipping - the local distributor probably won't handle them as the price is -> too close to that of the full product...

I agree, it's outrageous. At that rate, we're looking at $200/yr to stay current. That's more expensive than Microsoft.

When I first bought SuSE, I got 6.3... I gave that away when 7.0 came out (IMHO, the BEST set of manuals of any version yet)... 7.1 I copied from a friend, I bought 7.2 (just gave it away to a new Linux user), I bought 7.3, and I'm now using 8.0.....

I will NOT buy minor releases any more... 9.0 is the next one... Unless there is an overwhelming reason to do so....

A few of us are going to share out 8.1 copy when it arrives... I believe in supporting SuSE as much as many of you do (and keeping Chris employed !!), but the prices are starting to get to be a worry.....

Yes, Like MickeySoft !!!

Any Australian users want to colaborate on upgrades, etc. contact me directly...:-)

Jon

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Jon Biddell

19 Sep 19 Sep

01:44

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Don't get me wrong - I fully support SuSE and will CONTINUE to BUY each MAJOR revision from them, or minor ones when there is a pressing need, but the prices here in Australia (according to one retailer, their buy price is the same as the end user in Germany !!) have gotten to a ridiculous level.... Please, continue to support SuSE by buying at least the major revisions - otherwise we'll get "please feed me" email from a certain Chris M...:-)

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I agree whole heartedly! I too am an avid SuSE user. I have bought via commercial stores...every professional version since 7.0. But it's getting to be a bit steep.

I think i may have to also go with a 'Linux User Pool' such as the ones stated earlier in this thread. After all, i don't think i really need to utilize the manuals. Someone else might have better use of it than me.

***Anyone in the US want to collaborate resources and agree to purchase 8.1?***

On Wednesday 18 September 2002 18:47, Jon Biddell wrote:

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At 18/09/2002 16:32, Michael Nelson wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 08:51:27AM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote:

-> Damn, that's expensive for an upgrade.... $50US = $100 Australian, PLUS -> shipping - the local distributor probably won't handle them as the price is -> too close to that of the full product...

I agree, it's outrageous. At that rate, we're looking at $200/yr to stay current. That's more expensive than Microsoft.

When I first bought SuSE, I got 6.3... I gave that away when 7.0 came out (IMHO, the BEST set of manuals of any version yet)... 7.1 I copied from a friend, I bought 7.2 (just gave it away to a new Linux user), I bought 7.3, and I'm now using 8.0.....

I will NOT buy minor releases any more... 9.0 is the next one... Unless there is an overwhelming reason to do so....

A few of us are going to share out 8.1 copy when it arrives... I believe in supporting SuSE as much as many of you do (and keeping Chris employed !!), but the prices are starting to get to be a worry.....

Yes, Like MickeySoft !!!

Any Australian users want to colaborate on upgrades, etc. contact me directly...:-)

Jon

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Ben Rosenberg

02:46

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* Jon Biddell (jon@fl.net.au) [020918 19:16]: :: ::Please, continue to support SuSE by buying at least the major revisions - ::otherwise we'll get "please feed me" email from a certain Chris M...:-) :: This is just not funny. You shouldn't make comments about Chris and his ability to feed himself because he happens to work damn hard at his job. I find it highly offensive. I bet your the kind of person who kicks a homeless, one armed guy just because he asked you for $0.30. :( Just horrible. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.

Haralambos Geortgilakis

02:56

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Hi All & Ben, whom typed... <snip> I bet your the kind of person who kicks a homeless, one armed guy just because he asked you for $0.30. :( Just horrible. <snip> Yo Ben, chill man! I've never met Jon, but your character assassination is, IMHO, WAY outta line. *BFN* Greek Geek I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today. ---MLK, at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. on August 28, 1963. Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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* Jon Biddell (jon@fl.net.au) [020918 19:16]: :: ::Please, continue to support SuSE by buying at least the major revisions - ::otherwise we'll get "please feed me" email from a certain Chris M...:-) ::

This is just not funny. You shouldn't make comments about Chris and his ability to feed himself because he happens to work damn hard at his job. I find it highly offensive. I bet your the kind of person who kicks a homeless, one armed guy just because he asked you for $0.30. :(

Just horrible.

Ben Rosenberg

03:02

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* Haralambos Geortgilakis (haralambos@ihug.co.nz) [020918 19:57]: :: ::Yo Ben, chill man! :: ::I've never met Jon, but your character assassination is, IMHO, WAY outta ::line. Your right. I shouldn't said it no matter what he said. I just lost it. I do mean everything I said about this whining crap. I'm just sick to death of the " Why isn't it cheaper, why don't they have .iso's..etc..etc" It's old and quite frankly I and quite a few others are sick of it. There was a topic a couple days ago on lx-talk as soon as 8.1 was announced for Oct 7th..and it was " Let the whining begin. " And sure as hell..two days later people are bitching about things that haven't changed, won't change and are not that damn bad. They bitch about things that they ARE NOT forced to do. It's sad and quite stupid. Again. I would request that if one wants to bitch about this type of thing..please put [rant] or [whine] in the subject so we can procmail you out. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.

Herman Knief

03:07

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Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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Again. I would request that if one wants to bitch about this type of thing..please put [rant] or [whine] in the subject so we can procmail you out. :)

I'll second that! - Herman

Jon Biddell

03:11

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At 18/09/2002 19:46, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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* Jon Biddell (jon@fl.net.au) [020918 19:16]: :: ::Please, continue to support SuSE by buying at least the major revisions - ::otherwise we'll get "please feed me" email from a certain Chris M...:-) ::

This is just not funny. You shouldn't make comments about Chris and his ability to feed himself because he happens to work damn hard at his job. I find it highly offensive. I bet your the kind of person who kicks a homeless, one armed guy just because he asked you for $0.30. :(

Firstly, if Chris is offended by my humor, he'll tell me, NOT YOU. Secondly, I *know*, probably better than YOU how hard Chris works at his job, and I'm NOT putting him down at all. Finally, No, I'm not... Were you here, THAT would get you a smack in the mouth.... Why don't you take your rants elsewhere - and BUTT OUT You've been killfiled.... Jon

Jeric

03:53

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Microsoft has comes out with a new version of windows for home users every year between '95 and 2001, and they cost *3x's as much* compared to SuSE, not to mention it does not include anywhere NEAR the amount of extras that SuSE does (office, email, irc, good graphics editor ... so many basics, I could never list them all). So, NO, SuSE is not even REMOTELY close (thankfully!) to the microshaft high-price/bare-bones O/S IMHO. Even RedHat is $200+ (I saw it at best buy, but I don't even look at redhat, so I don't know what it included). : -----Original Message----- : From: Thomas Jones [mailto:thomas.jones@i-null.com] : Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:57 PM : To: suse-linux-e@suse.com : Subject: Re: [SLE] GET 8.1 PROFESSIONAL UPGRADE! : : : -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- : Hash: SHA1 : : I agree whole heartedly! I too am an avid SuSE user. I have bought via : commercial stores...every professional version since 7.0. But : it's getting to : be a bit steep. : : I think i may have to also go with a 'Linux User Pool' such as : the ones stated : earlier in this thread. After all, i don't think i really need to : utilize the : manuals. Someone else might have better use of it than me. : : : ***Anyone in the US want to collaborate resources and agree to purchase : 8.1?*** : : : On Wednesday 18 September 2002 18:47, Jon Biddell wrote: : > At 18/09/2002 16:32, Michael Nelson wrote: : > >On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 08:51:27AM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote: : > > : > >-> Damn, that's expensive for an upgrade.... $50US = $100 Australian, : > > PLUS -> shipping - the local distributor probably won't handle them as : > > the price is : > >-> too close to that of the full product... : > > : > >I agree, it's outrageous. At that rate, we're looking at : $200/yr to stay : > >current. That's more expensive than Microsoft. : > : > When I first bought SuSE, I got 6.3... I gave that away when : 7.0 came out : > (IMHO, the BEST set of manuals of any version yet)... 7.1 I : copied from a : > friend, I bought 7.2 (just gave it away to a new Linux user), I : bought 7.3, : > and I'm now using 8.0..... : > : > I will NOT buy minor releases any more... 9.0 is the next one... Unless : > there is an overwhelming reason to do so.... : > : > A few of us are going to share out 8.1 copy when it arrives... : I believe in : > supporting SuSE as much as many of you do (and keeping Chris : employed !!), : > but the prices are starting to get to be a worry..... : > : > Yes, Like MickeySoft !!! : > : > Any Australian users want to colaborate on upgrades, etc. contact me : > directly...:-) : > : > Jon : : - -- : Thomas Jones : i-Null.com Network Administrator : -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- : Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) : Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org : : iD8DBQE9iRLD9w7alPkpvvsRAhaoAKC6lp4GKwlJK8nhrdhgYbiqBC7vXQCgqWxf : ljZm3KjNDf5XMfzAvtyqx7A= : =ZHZf : -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- : : : -- : Check the headers for your unsubscription address : For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com : Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com : Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com : : :

zentara

12:16

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On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:56:51 -0500 Thomas Jones wrote:

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I think i may have to also go with a 'Linux User Pool' such as the ones stated earlier in this thread. After all, i don't think i really need to utilize the manuals. Someone else might have better use of it than me.

***Anyone in the US want to collaborate resources and agree to purchase 8.1?***

Well, you can always wait for those guys on Ebay to start selling copies of 8.1 for $15. But then you have to worry about cdrom-reader compatibility and also TROJANS. -- use Perl; #powerful programmable prestidigitation

jfmurphy

14:21

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On Thursday 19 September 2002 08:16, zentara wrote:

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Well, you can always wait for those guys on Ebay to start selling copies of 8.1 for $15. But then you have to worry about cdrom-reader compatibility and also TROJANS.

Yeah I wonder if these guys ever thought that something could be edited in one of the program scripts. While online sending out all kinds of info to them. Many people who pop for these type of great deals never think of checking what's going out! Besides it could be timed delayed and go off months from now. John -- "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." -- Robert Frost

Thomas Jones

20:27

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have bought one of these.....cheapo *NIX deals. Although it was not SuSE Linux. Regardless....i am an avid computer security nut. Thus i have a seperate node on my home network that captures ALL traffic, but only saves specific filtered data. Specifically alot of trojans, and recent vulnerabilities; as well as outbound SYN packets. Good point though! Most people don't think of this. On Thursday 19 September 2002 07:16, zentara wrote:

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On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:56:51 -0500

Thomas Jones wrote:

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I think i may have to also go with a 'Linux User Pool' such as the ones stated earlier in this thread. After all, i don't think i really need to utilize the manuals. Someone else might have better use of it than me.

***Anyone in the US want to collaborate resources and agree to purchase 8.1?***

Well, you can always wait for those guys on Ebay to start selling copies of 8.1 for $15. But then you have to worry about cdrom-reader compatibility and also TROJANS.

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Michael Hasenstein

02:00

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Jon Biddell wrote: ...

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A few of us are going to share out 8.1 copy when it arrives... I believe in supporting SuSE as much as many of you do (and keeping Chris employed !!), but the prices are starting to get to be a worry.....

Very strange - we haven't changed our prices at all lately.

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Yes, Like MickeySoft !!!

Any Australian users want to colaborate on upgrades, etc. contact me directly...:-)

SuSE does not own Fedex or UPS, nor are we responsible for the remote geographic location of your continent ;-) Michael

Haralambos Geortgilakis

02:03

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Hi All & Michael, whom typed.... <snip> SuSE does not own Fedex or UPS, nor are we responsible for the remote geographic location of your continent ;-) <snip> So, when are you guys moving down to New Zealand or even Aussie? ;-) Greek Geek :-) P.S; gotta buy 8.1. I've got 6.1 & 7.1 pro, so.... P.P.S; Dam XP reinstall hossed Tux, oh well, I will wait for 8.1. Michael Hasenstein wrote:

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Yes, Like MickeySoft !!!

Any Australian users want to colaborate on upgrades, etc. contact me directly...:-)

SuSE does not own Fedex or UPS, nor are we responsible for the remote geographic location of your continent ;-)

Michael

Michael Hasenstein

02:11

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So, when are you guys moving down to New Zealand or even Aussie? ;-)

I seriously considered it, but after looking at your tax structure (actually, I only checked Australia - is NZ better?) I must decline... Michael

Haralambos Geortgilakis

02:26

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Hi again Michael, <snip> I seriously considered it, but after looking at your tax structure (actually, I only checked Australia - is NZ better?) I must decline... <snip> Um, better? If you mean 'lower tax's,' then I think ours are lower than there's, as a consequence of the Victorian Economics practiced during the 80's & 90's, here & else where. Come to think of it, recollecting my days @ the YHA, heaps of you guys do come down here! So, bring a SuSE Tee shirt & you have a place to stay for a bit..... ;-) Have a look @ http://www.govt.nz/, for more data. *BFN* H :-) Michael Hasenstein wrote:

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So, when are you guys moving down to New Zealand or even Aussie? ;-)

I seriously considered it, but after looking at your tax structure (actually, I only checked Australia - is NZ better?) I must decline...

Michael

Jon Biddell

02:36

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At 18/09/2002 19:11, Michael Hasenstein wrote:

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So, when are you guys moving down to New Zealand or even Aussie? ;-)

I seriously considered it, but after looking at your tax structure (actually, I only checked Australia - is NZ better?) I must decline...

You ain't kidding..... Actually our tax system sucks in a major way....

Jon Biddell

02:32

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So, when are you guys moving down to New Zealand or even Aussie? ;-)

Hey - just what we need - Linux with a sheep on the box !!!!!

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P.S; gotta buy 8.1. I've got 6.1 & 7.1 pro, so....

Hmmmm.... Not a bad strategy, methinks... buy the ".1" release instead of ".0"

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P.P.S; Dam XP reinstall hossed Tux, oh well, I will wait for 8.1.

Bugger..... I have XP on a removable drive, for game playing only....

Jon Biddell

02:29

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At 18/09/2002 19:00, Michael Hasenstein wrote:

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Jon Biddell wrote: ...

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A few of us are going to share out 8.1 copy when it arrives... I believe in supporting SuSE as much as many of you do (and keeping Chris employed !!), but the prices are starting to get to be a worry.....

Very strange - we haven't changed our prices at all lately.

The price of 8.0 Pro in Australia was $165 ( halve it for the equivalent US price) - the local distributor claims that his buy price was close to what the customers were paying in Europe, so he had to bump the price up to maintain his profit margin (and understandably so).

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Yes, Like MickeySoft !!! Any Australian users want to colaborate on upgrades, etc. contact me directly...:-)

SuSE does not own Fedex or UPS, nor are we responsible for the remote geographic location of your continent ;-)

Hey, it's YOU guys who are remote.... Have a look at http://www.jon.fl.net.au/katelyn/html/house.html from my daughter's page - you'll understand why, with a view like this EVERY DAY from my office, I live in so "remote" a place...:-)

Michael Hasenstein

02:05

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Jon Biddell wrote: ...

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I will NOT buy minor releases any more... 9.0 is the next one... Unless there is an overwhelming reason to do so.... ...

I would like to suggest you buy each major plus ".1" release instead of each "x.0". Due to the nature of the beast the release AFTER the new major one with the major changes is usually (probably) a little better... Michael

Jon Biddell

02:33

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I would like to suggest you buy each major plus ".1" release instead of each "x.0".

Due to the nature of the beast the release AFTER the new major one with the major changes is usually (probably) a little better...

Hmmm... a very valid suggestion.... I think I will...

Ben Rosenberg

02:43

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* Jon Biddell (jon@fl.net.au) [020918 16:57]: :: ::Yes, Like MickeySoft !!! :: This is a bunch of crap. You people start this shit EVERY GOD DAMN TIME THEY RELEASE AN UPDATE! You know it's coming at least twice a year. Why must all of you make us endure this SHITE every 7-10 months. If you don't like it..download the 3 Debian bootdisks and apt-get your way to free. They are not like Microsoft...if you pay retail for your stuff and don't bloody steal it. Do you honest thing anyone in their right mind could compare an OS w/ a full blown Linux distribution w/ 6G of software. I have news Microsoft Windows XP for Computers without Windows runs $329 so double that in Aussie money..then add on about $10,000 for software and you might..might come close to 1/3 of the software you get with SuSE. Please do us all a favor and put [whine] in your subjects if this is going to be another 3 weeks of bullshit conversations that haven't changed one single damn bit in the last 5 years. We don't need this..it's completely off topic since it's damn rant. Take this to another mailing list. If Fred can't post his URLS and other stuff..then take these worthless rants to feedback@suse.de. We don't care and comparing SuSE to Microsoft just boils my blood. I happen to have to deal with Microsoft and their stupid crap since my company hosts bCentral. If you knew how much different they were you'd keep your damn mouth shut. Good Bye. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.

Jon Biddell

03:08

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This is a bunch of crap.

You people start this shit EVERY GOD DAMN TIME THEY RELEASE AN UPDATE! You know it's coming at least twice a year. Why must all of you make us endure this SHITE every 7-10 months. If you don't like it..download the 3 Debian bootdisks and apt-get your way to free.

Whoa... Ben... chill !!!

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They are not like Microsoft...if you pay retail for your stuff and don't bloody steal it. Do you honest thing anyone in their right mind could compare an OS w/ a full blown Linux distribution w/ 6G of software.

I don't think anyone was comparing the PRODUCT, but the PHILOSOPHY behind frequent updates.... I AGREE that the product is so far in front of the other, that it's almost laughable...

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I have news Microsoft Windows XP for Computers without Windows runs $329 so double that in Aussie money..then add on about $10,000 for software and you might..might come close to 1/3 of the software you get with SuSE.

Yes, I agree.... We're talking about the "O/S" level, not the "addons" that SuSE comes with !!

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We don't care and comparing SuSE to Microsoft just boils my blood. I happen to have to deal with Microsoft and their stupid crap since my company hosts bCentral. If you knew how much different they were you'd keep your damn mouth shut.

Take a vallium and calm down... You'll find that you'll maintain your sanity (or what remains of it after dealing with Microsoft !!!) Jon

john

03:40

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On Wednesday 18 September 2002 21:43, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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* Jon Biddell (jon@fl.net.au) [020918 16:57]: ::Yes, Like MickeySoft !!!

This is a bunch of crap.

You people start this shit EVERY GOD DAMN TIME THEY RELEASE AN UPDATE! You know it's coming at least twice a year. Why must all of you make us endure this SHITE every 7-10 months. If you don't like it..download the 3 Debian bootdisks and apt-get your way to free.

They are not like Microsoft...if you pay retail for your stuff and don't bloody steal it. Do you honest thing anyone in their right mind could compare an OS w/ a full blown Linux distribution w/ 6G of software.

I have news Microsoft Windows XP for Computers without Windows runs $329 so double that in Aussie money..then add on about $10,000 for software and you might..might come close to 1/3 of the software you get with SuSE.

Please do us all a favor and put [whine] in your subjects if this is going to be another 3 weeks of bullshit conversations that haven't changed one single damn bit in the last 5 years. We don't need this..it's completely off topic since it's damn rant. Take this to another mailing list. If Fred can't post his URLS and other stuff..then take these worthless rants to feedback@suse.de.

We don't care and comparing SuSE to Microsoft just boils my blood. I happen to have to deal with Microsoft and their stupid crap since my company hosts bCentral. If you knew how much different they were you'd keep your damn mouth shut.

Good Bye.

Bravo!!! And YES, I'll not cut all of Ben's stuff out just for this short reply to it. He's right, and that's plain and simple!! Once again Ben...BRAVO!!! John -- Linux...the freedom to do what *YOU* want, with *YOUR* computer. M$...we'll tell you what you need and we'll bleed you dry doing it you thief!

Michael Schwager

18:22

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I submit that his doco become the start of the "SuSE Linux Upgrade FAQ". Like, 1) Why do I have to pay to upgrade my SuSE Linux? I mean, isn't Linux *free*? Doesn't money grow on trees? Don't programmers live on air? Doesn't God Himself shower money into SuSE's bank account? It's so unfair!!! Personally, I have SuSE 6.4 running on one of my servers, 7.3(?) running on my dual-boot desktop. I'll upgrade if/when it's necessary... I think many people should just attempt to wean themselves off the idea that one must get the latest distro; it's not always required... --On Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:40 PM -0500 john wrote:

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On Wednesday 18 September 2002 21:43, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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* Jon Biddell (jon@fl.net.au) [020918 16:57]: ::Yes, Like MickeySoft !!!

This is a bunch of crap.

You people start this shit EVERY GOD DAMN TIME THEY RELEASE AN UPDATE! You know it's coming at least twice a year. Why must all of you make us endure this SHITE every 7-10 months. If you don't like it..download the 3 Debian bootdisks and apt-get your way to free.

They are not like Microsoft...if you pay retail for your stuff and don't bloody steal it. Do you honest thing anyone in their right mind could compare an OS w/ a full blown Linux distribution w/ 6G of software.

I have news Microsoft Windows XP for Computers without Windows runs $329 so double that in Aussie money..then add on about $10,000 for software and you might..might come close to 1/3 of the software you get with SuSE.

Please do us all a favor and put [whine] in your subjects if this is going to be another 3 weeks of bullshit conversations that haven't changed one single damn bit in the last 5 years. We don't need this..it's completely off topic since it's damn rant. Take this to another mailing list. If Fred can't post his URLS and other stuff..then take these worthless rants to feedback@suse.de.

We don't care and comparing SuSE to Microsoft just boils my blood. I happen to have to deal with Microsoft and their stupid crap since my company hosts bCentral. If you knew how much different they were you'd keep your damn mouth shut.

Good Bye.

Bravo!!! And YES, I'll not cut all of Ben's stuff out just for this short reply to it. He's right, and that's plain and simple!! Once again Ben...BRAVO!!!

-- -Mike suse-list@Schwager.com -o) /\\ _\_v

jaakko tamminen

18:38

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Hi I'm more than happy to pay for upgrade.. The reason as follows: - Nice yast-tool - other extra SW that SuSE does - Get 5CDs of SW nicely bundled together. - Nice installation SW - Pretty well every SW is working "out-of-the-box" - Documentation / support database - Very well up-to-date upgrade These among other things... I personally feel, that I could ofcourse download kernel, and struggle with boot-disks to even get the basic system up and running. Then would the hassle start first to get internet connection working.. using ascii-browser to get the rest of SW until I have somehow installed working X-window system etc etc etc... So why bother? Just pay a small amount of money, and You have very easy installation, support for huge amount of HW, all the nice SW that resides behind few click on CD etc... Jaska. On Thursday 19 September 2002 21:22, Michael Schwager wrote:

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I submit that his doco become the start of the "SuSE Linux Upgrade FAQ". Like, 1) Why do I have to pay to upgrade my SuSE Linux? I mean, isn't Linux *free*? Doesn't money grow on trees? Don't programmers live on air? Doesn't God Himself shower money into SuSE's bank account? It's so unfair!!!

Personally, I have SuSE 6.4 running on one of my servers, 7.3(?) running on my dual-boot desktop. I'll upgrade if/when it's necessary... I think

W.D.McKinney

10:49

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Quit beating around the bushes and come out and tells us exactly how you feel :-) Seriously, you are correct about feelings here and SuSE is great. Honor the past, live today, plan for the future. /Dee -----Original Message----- From: Ben Rosenberg [mailto:ben@whack.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:44 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: [SLE] Don't start the damn whining. [was] Re: [SLE] GET 8.1 PROFESSIONAL UPGRADE! * Jon Biddell (jon@fl.net.au) [020918 16:57]: :: ::Yes, Like MickeySoft !!! :: This is a bunch of crap. You people start this shit EVERY GOD DAMN TIME THEY RELEASE AN UPDATE! You know it's coming at least twice a year. Why must all of you make us endure this SHITE every 7-10 months. If you don't like it..download the 3 Debian bootdisks and apt-get your way to free. They are not like Microsoft...if you pay retail for your stuff and don't bloody steal it. Do you honest thing anyone in their right mind could compare an OS w/ a full blown Linux distribution w/ 6G of software. I have news Microsoft Windows XP for Computers without Windows runs $329 so double that in Aussie money..then add on about $10,000 for software and you might..might come close to 1/3 of the software you get with SuSE. Please do us all a favor and put [whine] in your subjects if this is going to be another 3 weeks of bullshit conversations that haven't changed one single damn bit in the last 5 years. We don't need this..it's completely off topic since it's damn rant. Take this to another mailing list. If Fred can't post his URLS and other stuff..then take these worthless rants to feedback@suse.de. We don't care and comparing SuSE to Microsoft just boils my blood. I happen to have to deal with Microsoft and their stupid crap since my company hosts bCentral. If you knew how much different they were you'd keep your damn mouth shut. Good Bye. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.

Ben Rosenberg

02:56

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* W.D.McKinney (deem@wdm.com) [020918 19:51]: ::Quit beating around the bushes and come out and tells us ::exactly how you feel :-) :: ::Seriously, you are correct about feelings here and SuSE is great. ::Honor the past, live today, plan for the future. I'm like Chris Matthews..accept I don't start off soft...then say "Now let me tell you what I really think." ##### I actually was serious about the [whine] label. I don't think the rest of us should have to read this crap because I can go into the archives and pull out 100's of emails that are 99% the same stuff. At least give us the hook to procmail it out. :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.

Salman Khilji

03:57

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Could someone please tell me if its legal to copy Linux from a friend? I let one of the guys at my office copy mine. Too bad he hasn't installed it yet. Says he does not have time. Yeah right. Salman

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(IMHO, the BEST set of manuals of any version yet)... 7.1 I copied from a friend, I bought 7.2 (just gave it away to a new Linux user), I bought 7.3,

Michael Hasenstein

02:02

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Salman Khilji wrote:

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Could someone please tell me if its legal to copy Linux from a friend? I let one of the guys at my office copy mine.

Yes. Please note that there is not ONE license for the entire SuSE Linux, instead there's a different license for every single package - most are GPL, but there are ca. 20(*) different open source licenses alone, and then there are our commercial bundles. Michael (*) I made up that number but the order of magnitude is correct.

Anders Johansson

18 Sep 18 Sep

23:55

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On Thursday 19 September 2002 01.32, Michael Nelson wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 08:51:27AM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote:

-> Damn, that's expensive for an upgrade.... $50US = $100 Australian, PLUS -> shipping - the local distributor probably won't handle them as the price is -> too close to that of the full product...

I agree, it's outrageous. At that rate, we're looking at $200/yr to stay current. That's more expensive than Microsoft.

Point of order, please! You can't compare SuSE (7 CDs of software, including Office software, compilers, editors, games etc, etc, etc) with Windows (1 CD with MS Solitaire and minesweeper). It's just not a fair comparison. Try to buy an equivalent amount of software for windows, and let me know who handles your bancrupcy negotiations. //Anders

Salman Khilji

19 Sep 19 Sep

04:00

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Again getting pirated copies of Windows software is easier than you think. Whenever I needed MicroCrap software, I always had my brother send me the CDs through someone.....cost $1 a CD. Now MS Office $4 (4 CDs) Visual Studio Enterprise $3 Windows 2000 Advanced Server $2 Total of $9...still cheaper than Linux. Salman

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Try to buy an equivalent amount of software for windows, and let me know who handles your bancrupcy negotiations.

Anders Johansson

01:06

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On Thursday 19 September 2002 06.00, Salman Khilji wrote:

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Again getting pirated copies of Windows software is easier than you think. Whenever I needed MicroCrap software, I always had my brother send me the CDs through someone.....cost $1 a CD.

Now MS Office $4 (4 CDs) Visual Studio Enterprise $3 Windows 2000 Advanced Server $2

Total of $9...still cheaper than Linux.

Cool. You've just admitted to committing a federal crime in a public forum (I assume since your email is tampabay that you're in the US). Pay the fines and *then* let me know who handles your bankrupcy proceedings. I think you'll find it would have been cheaper to buy the things in the first place, even though it's about 100x more expensive than a SuSE box. The only things I copy are linux distributions. Nice and legal. //Anders

Jon Biddell

01:55

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Cool. You've just admitted to committing a federal crime in a public forum (I assume since your email is tampabay that you're in the US). Pay the fines and *then* let me know who handles your bankrupcy proceedings. I think you'll find it would have been cheaper to buy the things in the first place, even though it's about 100x more expensive than a SuSE box.

The only things I copy are linux distributions. Nice and legal.

While I agree with Anders' comment about only copying Linux distros, many people see Microsoft as "fair game" - it's a "faceless crime", the big corporation can handle it, etc..... Personally, I will copy a piece of software only to evaluate it - if I like it and I use it, I BUY IT. Most of the games I've loaded over the years are "backups" - I wouldn't pay the money for some of them, and I destroy the backups. $100 AUD for a game you haven't seen is a bit rude. Having said that, I *do* have legit copies of all the games I play on Windoze (the only thing it's good for !!), like Homeworld, Total Annihilation, Command & Conquer, red Alert 2, etc.... As soon as I can get all of these working inder a Windows emulator (if there are no Linux versions forthcomming), my Windows CDs get frisbeed !!! Jon

Thomas Jones

01:22

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Is this for real? I can't believe that i am actually witnessing this thread. And to answer your question...yes...it is legal to copy Linux! You can't charge them for the operating system.....but can for the handling, packaging, copying...etc..... Same difference.....but that's the specifics. On another note.... i'd advise that you don't post those type comments on this list. Send it to 2600 or something..but not here. Completely unappropriate. On Wednesday 18 September 2002 23:00, Salman Khilji wrote:

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Again getting pirated copies of Windows software is easier than you think. Whenever I needed MicroCrap software, I always had my brother send me the CDs through someone.....cost $1 a CD.

Now MS Office $4 (4 CDs) Visual Studio Enterprise $3 Windows 2000 Advanced Server $2

Total of $9...still cheaper than Linux.

Salman

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Try to buy an equivalent amount of software for windows, and let me know who handles your bancrupcy negotiations.

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Preston Crawford

02:46

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Is this for real? I can't believe that i am actually witnessing this thread.

And to answer your question...yes...it is legal to copy Linux!

You can't charge them for the operating system.....but can for the handling, packaging, copying...etc.....

Same difference.....but that's the specifics.

On another note.... i'd advise that you don't post those type comments on this list. Send it to 2600 or something..but not here.

Completely unappropriate.

I agree. This is the kind of Linux user I don't like. The Linux user who's *barely* a Linux user because of cost. I'm a Linux user because I get the most OS for my money while being COMPLETELY legal and above reproach. Preston

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On Wednesday 18 September 2002 23:00, Salman Khilji wrote:

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Again getting pirated copies of Windows software is easier than you think. Whenever I needed MicroCrap software, I always had my brother send me the CDs through someone.....cost $1 a CD.

Now MS Office $4 (4 CDs) Visual Studio Enterprise $3 Windows 2000 Advanced Server $2

Total of $9...still cheaper than Linux.

Salman

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Try to buy an equivalent amount of software for windows, and let me know who handles your bancrupcy negotiations.

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Matthew Kennedy

05:41

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Incredible... I'm a poor college student who doesn't even have a car, but even I can afford to cough up the dough or spend the time looking for software that can do the job just as well. $64 for SuSE 8.0 (used a coupon) is a lot prettier then paying over $200 (with tax) for Windows XP. That's just for the UPGRADE!! I don't run any servers, but I still feel like I got my money's worth many times over already with the stability, software, and new experiences with a different operating system. I can't say I'm going to run out and buy 8.1, since I only bought 8.0 about three weeks ago (and I am a poor college student afterall!), but I hardly think the price being asked is that unreasonable. So yeah, you might of spent $9 on all that, but you sold your soul to the devil. We all know how gung-ho MS is about protecting their "rights" and if I did that and announced it to the world I'd have a heck of a hard time sleeping... ever! If you're not willing to pay the full price for those things or take the time to look elsewhere, apparently you didn't need them that badly, so why did you even bother? Matthew On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 00:00, Salman Khilji wrote: Again getting pirated copies of Windows software is easier than you think. Whenever I needed MicroCrap software, I always had my brother send me the CDs through someone.....cost $1 a CD. Now MS Office $4 (4 CDs) Visual Studio Enterprise $3 Windows 2000 Advanced Server $2 Total of $9...still cheaper than Linux. Salman > > Try to buy an equivalent amount of software for windows, and let me know > who handles your bancrupcy negotiations. > -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

W.D.McKinney

13:47

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Well since being un-employed for over a year I bought a 8.0 DVD off one of my friends for $20.00 who doesn't have a DVD drive yet. I thought that was fair since he kept the rest of the boxed set. I just joined up with a new startup company and we have faith in our plan and trust we'll be using SuSE on our network servers. /Dee -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Kennedy [mailto:prezkennedy@netmultiverse.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:42 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] GET 8.1 PROFESSIONAL UPGRADE! Incredible... I'm a poor college student who doesn't even have a car, but even I can afford to cough up the dough or spend the time looking for software that can do the job just as well. $64 for SuSE 8.0 (used a coupon) is a lot prettier then paying over $200 (with tax) for Windows XP. That's just for the UPGRADE!! I don't run any servers, but I still feel like I got my money's worth many times over already with the stability, software, and new experiences with a different operating system. I can't say I'm going to run out and buy 8.1, since I only bought 8.0 about three weeks ago (and I am a poor college student afterall!), but I hardly think the price being asked is that unreasonable. So yeah, you might of spent $9 on all that, but you sold your soul to the devil. We all know how gung-ho MS is about protecting their "rights" and if I did that and announced it to the world I'd have a heck of a hard time sleeping... ever! If you're not willing to pay the full price for those things or take the time to look elsewhere, apparently you didn't need them that badly, so why did you even bother? Matthew On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 00:00, Salman Khilji wrote: Again getting pirated copies of Windows software is easier than you think. Whenever I needed MicroCrap software, I always had my brother send me the CDs through someone.....cost $1 a CD. Now MS Office $4 (4 CDs) Visual Studio Enterprise $3 Windows 2000 Advanced Server $2 Total of $9...still cheaper than Linux. Salman > > Try to buy an equivalent amount of software for windows, and let me know > who handles your bancrupcy negotiations. > -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

Fergus Wilde

08:03

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On Thursday 19 September 2002 05:00, you wrote:

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Again getting pirated copies of Windows software is easier than you think. Whenever I needed MicroCrap software, I always had my brother send me the CDs through someone.....cost $1 a CD.

Now MS Office $4 (4 CDs) Visual Studio Enterprise $3 Windows 2000 Advanced Server $2

Total of $9...still cheaper than Linux.

That's great, buddy, the problem being that you are stealing the software. Please don't try to introduce crime into a price comparison. Naturally stealing costs less than buying. You can get a car using a jemmy and some fuse wire a lot cheaper than through your local dealer. I could up my weekly income pretty smartly by giving up working for a living and mugging people instead, but there's no moral equivalence. If you want to draw the comparison, perhaps you could tell us what it would 'cost' you to steal Linux as well?

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Salman

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Try to buy an equivalent amount of software for windows, and let me know who handles your bancrupcy negotiations.

Alex Daniloff

17:08

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On Thursday 19 September 2002 05:00, you wrote: Again getting pirated copies of Windows software is easier than you

Actually, this kind of attitude of pirating M$ software and selling CDs for a buck each, has a tendency mostly in a third world countries where Microshaft can't enforce domestic intellectual prpoperty law if any exists. Judging by the name of the author of this proposal, I would say that he is a lucky one. In the Shariat Law of the Middle East Countries has nothing to say about stealing non-physical things like software. Otherwise if a theave is cought, domestic authorities will chop off his/her left hand and sometimes left foot for the first offence and the rest of traits for all others. Isn't it nice? Vassalom aleikum, Salman Alex (Iskandar) think.

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Whenever I needed MicroCrap software, I always had my brother send me the CDs through someone.....cost $1 a CD.

Now MS Office $4 (4 CDs) Visual Studio Enterprise $3 Windows 2000 Advanced Server $2

Total of $9...still cheaper than Linux.

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Salman

Ben Rosenberg

21:00

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* Alex Daniloff (alex@daniloff.com) [020919 11:14]: ::Actually, this kind of attitude of pirating M$ software ::and selling CDs for a buck each, has a tendency mostly ::in a third world countries where Microshaft can't enforce ::domestic intellectual prpoperty law if any exists. ::Judging by the name of the author of this proposal, ::I would say that he is a lucky one. ::In the Shariat Law of the Middle East Countries has ::nothing to say about stealing non-physical things like software. ::Otherwise if a theave is cought, domestic authorities will chop off ::his/her left hand and sometimes left foot for the first offence and ::the rest of traits for all others. ::Isn't it nice? So if that's the case ..does that mean we could squish BillG and Jobs under a 16ton piece of stone for steal the Win and Mac GUI's from Xerox? :) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.

jaakko tamminen

21:19

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Need a helping hand....? :-) Jaska.

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::nothing to say about stealing non-physical things like software. ::Otherwise if a theave is cought, domestic authorities will chop off ::his/her left hand and sometimes left foot for the first offence and ::the rest of traits for all others. ::Isn't it nice?

So if that's the case ..does that mean we could squish BillG and Jobs under a 16ton piece of stone for steal the Win and Mac GUI's from Xerox? :)

Jon Biddell

22:48

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So if that's the case ..does that mean we could squish BillG and Jobs under a 16ton piece of stone for steal the Win and Mac GUI's from Xerox? :)

Oooh oooh... Can I drive the crane... please...?????

steve

08:20

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On Thursday 19 September 2002 00:00, Salman Khilji wrote:

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Again getting pirated copies of Windows software is easier than you think. Whenever I needed MicroCrap software, I always had my brother send me the CDs through someone.....cost $1 a CD.

Now MS Office $4 (4 CDs) Visual Studio Enterprise $3 Windows 2000 Advanced Server $2

Total of $9...still cheaper than Linux.

Salman

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Try to buy an equivalent amount of software for windows, and let me know who handles your bancrupcy negotiations.

This is the dummest comment I've seen in a long time. Plus all you have to do is to download let's say RH and burn the CD's and it totally LEGAL!!! Obviously some young kid with poor moral values in life... And he lives in the Tampa area. Too bad. Does his parents know he's a theif? -- Steve _____________________________________________________________ HTML in e-mail is not safe. It let's spammers know to spam you more, and sets you up for online attack through IE 4.x and above. Using HTML in e-mail promotes it as safe to the uninitiated.

Salman Khilji

03:55

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I agree. I would say $20 for a minor upgrade. Frankly speaking its not even worth upgrading. I wouldn't upgrade till: - KDE 4.1 is released. - Till they start putting MPlayer 1.3-1.4 on the CDs - Till they have some decent video editors (No not talking about Kino 0.5....want Kino 1.5 that does at least as much as those free applications that come with your digital camera or a FireWire card - Want some decent MSN messengers. Not KMsn, or KMess that do only the basic things and support only about 1/10th of the interface features that are available. Now that would be an upgrade paying $50-$80 for. If it comes to $$$ I can always get a pirated copy of WinXP. That would be cheaper than Linux---but thats not the point. Heck I got a coupon to downgrade from WinME to WinXP for $26 (thats when I bought my computer) But I decided not to use that coupon bcz I don't like MicroTrash. Thats why I paid $80 for SuSE. Salman

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I agree, it's outrageous. At that rate, we're looking at $200/yr to stay current. That's more expensive than Microsoft.

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