U.S. International keyboard - Leap 15.5 KDE
I have long used the U.S. International keyboard layout as described in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#US-International However, I can't seem to find it in 15.5, even though there are 4 different U.S. International layouts I've tried so far. Any idea where I can find it? tnx jk
* James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> [12-27-23 13:08]:
I have long used the U.S. International keyboard layout as described in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#US-International
However, I can't seem to find it in 15.5, even though there are 4 different U.S. International layouts I've tried so far. Any idea where I can find it?
tnx jk
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On 2023-12-27 19:24, James Knott wrote:
On 12/27/23 13:16, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
should be assignable via systemsettings5
That's where I am under Input Devices, just as always. As I mentioned, there are 4 U.S. International layouts, none of them what I'm looking for.
Did you try in YaST? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 12/27/23 13:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
That's where I am under Input Devices, just as always. As I mentioned, there are 4 U.S. International layouts, none of them what I'm looking for.
Did you try in YaST?
There is a U.S. International in there, but it's still the wrong one. A simple test is Altgr 1, which should produce superscript 1. All the layouts I've tried produce an inverted ! if anything.
On 2023-12-27 19:50, James Knott wrote:
On 12/27/23 13:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
That's where I am under Input Devices, just as always. As I mentioned, there are 4 U.S. International layouts, none of them what I'm looking for.
Did you try in YaST?
There is a U.S. International in there, but it's still the wrong one. A simple test is Altgr 1, which should produce superscript 1. All the layouts I've tried produce an inverted ! if anything.
I can't test. I know that when I started using SuSE in the past century I used this keyboard from YaST. I still have the keyboard somewhere, but can't be connected to any modern computer, different socket. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 12/27/23 14:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I can't test. I know that when I started using SuSE in the past century I used this keyboard from YaST. I still have the keyboard somewhere, but can't be connected to any modern computer, different socket.
Any U.S. keyboard can be used, though it would be nice to have one with the appropriate key tops. Those seem to be scarce. There is a company that makes new IBM model M keyboards. Perhaps they could do something. I have used the M keyboard for years. I got started with them when I worked at IBM, in the late 90s, and bought some surplus ones for my home computer. They're built like a tank and have the proper feel to them. However, I have to use a PS/2 to USB adapter with them. I've been using the same one for over 20 years and it's still going strong. Anyway, as I mentioned in another post, I found what I was looking for.
On 2023-12-27 20:45, James Knott wrote:
On 12/27/23 14:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I can't test. I know that when I started using SuSE in the past century I used this keyboard from YaST. I still have the keyboard somewhere, but can't be connected to any modern computer, different socket.
Any U.S. keyboard can be used,
Not living in the USA, I only have a single old US keyboard, bought on 1990 while I lived in Canada. ...
Anyway, as I mentioned in another post, I found what I was looking for.
Yep :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 12/27/23 14:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Not living in the USA, I only have a single old US keyboard, bought on 1990 while I lived in Canada.
The physical keys should have the same key code, no matter what the key top says. When I was at IBM, I often had to work with French systems (not that I can speak a word of it 😉), and often had an English keyboard plugged into a French system or a French keyboard with English.
On 2023-12-27 20:57, James Knott wrote:
On 12/27/23 14:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Not living in the USA, I only have a single old US keyboard, bought on 1990 while I lived in Canada.
The physical keys should have the same key code, no matter what the key top says. When I was at IBM, I often had to work with French systems (not that I can speak a word of it 😉), and often had an English keyboard plugged into a French system or a French keyboard with English.
I know that is true in the old keyboards, but I'm not so sure in the new USB keyboards. They can identify themselves. In this case, I would need a keyboard with the USA labels in the keys in order to test if the international keyboard works (I don't know the layout from memory anymore). Mine is simply not USB, but old style, can not be connected to any of my current computers. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 12/28/23 17:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The physical keys should have the same key code, no matter what the key top says. When I was at IBM, I often had to work with French systems (not that I can speak a word of it 😉), and often had an English keyboard plugged into a French system or a French keyboard with English.
I know that is true in the old keyboards, but I'm not so sure in the new USB keyboards. They can identify themselves.
In this case, I would need a keyboard with the USA labels in the keys in order to test if the international keyboard works (I don't know the layout from memory anymore). Mine is simply not USB, but old style, can not be connected to any of my current computers.
USB keyboard or not, they still scan the key matrix and produce the key code, which is then interpreted by the operating system to produce the typed letter. BTW, way back in the dark ages, I was a computer tech and often repaired keyboards. They all scan. I even bought a surplus Cherry keyboard with essentially a 2nd keyboard for all the function keys. I designed & built my own scanner to use with it and connect to my IMSAI 8080 computer (look that one up). IBM compatible keyboards are all supposed to produce the same key codes. Back in the days of the original PC & XT, the manual even came with a list of the key codes. https://deskthority.net/wiki/Scancode
On 2023-12-28 23:21, James Knott wrote:
On 12/28/23 17:05, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The physical keys should have the same key code, no matter what the key top says. When I was at IBM, I often had to work with French systems (not that I can speak a word of it 😉), and often had an English keyboard plugged into a French system or a French keyboard with English.
I know that is true in the old keyboards, but I'm not so sure in the new USB keyboards. They can identify themselves.
In this case, I would need a keyboard with the USA labels in the keys in order to test if the international keyboard works (I don't know the layout from memory anymore). Mine is simply not USB, but old style, can not be connected to any of my current computers.
USB keyboard or not, they still scan the key matrix and produce the key code, which is then interpreted by the operating system to produce the typed letter. BTW, way back in the dark ages, I was a computer tech and often repaired keyboards. They all scan. I even bought a surplus Cherry keyboard with essentially a 2nd keyboard for all the function keys. I designed & built my own scanner to use with it and connect to my IMSAI 8080 computer (look that one up). IBM compatible keyboards are all supposed to produce the same key codes. Back in the days of the original PC & XT, the manual even came with a list of the key codes.
I saw it.
It is more complicated than that in modern keyboards. Take a gaming keyboard, they can read several keys pressed simultaneously. In a plain scanning keyboard, pressing 'j' and 'd' at the same time is unpredictable, or only one key is readable. A gaming keyboard can read both. One of its characteristics is how many simultaneously pressed keys can be read. I think mine does five. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos E. R. composed on 2023-12-28 23:05 (UTC+0100):
I would need a keyboard with the USA labels in the keys in order to test if the international keyboard works (I don't know the layout from memory anymore). Mine is simply not USB, but old style, can not be connected to any of my current computers.
PS/2 to USB adapters exist. Some actually work as expected. Others only work after an OS has been booted, ignored by the PC BIOS, while still others just play dead. PS/2 to DIN-5 adapters also exist. So with two such /competent/ adapters, an original 83 key PC/AT keyboard might conceivably work connected to a USB port. If yours has a PS/2 connector, and you have the right adapter, you should be able to check its scan codes even if the BIOS doesn't recognize it. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 2023-12-29 00:01, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2023-12-28 23:05 (UTC+0100):
I would need a keyboard with the USA labels in the keys in order to test if the international keyboard works (I don't know the layout from memory anymore). Mine is simply not USB, but old style, can not be connected to any of my current computers.
PS/2 to USB adapters exist. Some actually work as expected. Others only work after an OS has been booted, ignored by the PC BIOS, while still others just play dead. PS/2 to DIN-5 adapters also exist. So with two such /competent/ adapters, an original 83 key PC/AT keyboard might conceivably work connected to a USB port. If yours has a PS/2 connector, and you have the right adapter, you should be able to check its scan codes even if the BIOS doesn't recognize it.
Too complicated, just for checking something. Not going to happen :-D -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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