See the full news at http://news.com.com/Novell+reports+loss+as+older+business+shrinks/2100-1014_... I hope this does not influence the future of SuSE Linux negatively. A quote from the article: "Revenue grew, but we'd like to see them grow more," Tibbetts said. "Even in our Linux business, we would have liked to do better there." -- Osho
Osho GG wrote:
See the full news at
http://news.com.com/Novell+reports+loss+as+older+business+shrinks/2100-1014_...
I hope this does not influence the future of SuSE Linux negatively. A quote from the article:
"Revenue grew, but we'd like to see them grow more," Tibbetts said. "Even in our Linux business, we would have liked to do better there."
That article also said "Joe Tibbetts, Novell's chief financial officer, said revenue from the company's NetWare product line declined at a slightly faster pace than expected.". If Netware declined, but overall revenue grew, where did the revenue come from? Linux? The way I read it, they've got more of a future sticking with Linux.
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 02:36:44PM -0700, Osho GG wrote:
See the full news at
http://news.com.com/Novell+reports+loss+as+older+business+shrinks/2100-1014_...
I hope this does not influence the future of SuSE Linux negatively. A quote from the article:
Well if every idiot who can't RTFM and screws up the install would quit spamming SUSE-Linux-E with how "bad" 9.3 is maybe they would do a little better.
"Revenue grew, but we'd like to see them grow more," Tibbetts said. "Even in our Linux business, we would have liked to do better there."
-- Osho
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Well if every idiot who can't RTFM and screws up the install would quit spamming SUSE-Linux-E with how "bad" 9.3 is maybe they would do a little better. Oo, so now it'ss the users fault ? They are actually good parameters that people very eager to use suse and they might just another M$ users who try to swtich to linux beacuse of license problem. Yes, the still see linux as windows, they dont know what kind of hardware in their PC's, but they want to switch to SuSE. So bare with them if they screw in installation or they dont like to RTFM... :) And it should be respond positively from developer point of view. regards,
-- Arie Reynaldi Zanahar reymanx at gmail.com http://www.reynaldi.or.id
On Friday 27 May 2005 21:40, Arie Reynaldi Z wrote:
Well if every idiot who can't RTFM and screws up the install would quit spamming SUSE-Linux-E with how "bad" 9.3 is maybe they would do a little better.
Oo, so now it'ss the users fault ? They are actually good parameters that people very eager to use suse and they might just another M$ users who try to swtich to linux beacuse of license problem. Yes, the still see linux as windows, they dont know what kind of hardware in their PC's, but they want to switch to SuSE. So bare with them if they screw in installation or they dont like to RTFM... :) And it should be respond positively from developer point of view. regards,
I believe there is a middle ground somewhere in here. When I came to Linux and open source, the pervailing opinion was that OSS was about contributing to improve the product you are using. People who break the seal on the DVD box and proceed to install SuSE Linux need to appreciate that they are working with a different business model than that which prevails in the software industry. We need to keep in mind that companies such as NVidia and, even worse, ATI, put almost all their effort into supporting operating systems made by one company which holds a virtual monopoly on the desktop market. I reveived 9 DVDs with my new NVidia card. All of them require operating systems made by that one company. Sure, when I stuck the NVidia CD in with that companies flagship OS running, I got all kinds of nify GUI help in installing the drivers. With SuSE, things were a bit more arcane, and did not work flawlessly. But I got it working. That means it can work, and work better. I reported my problems to SuSE, and shared my observation on this list, so that other people could learn from my experience. And that is the bottom line. It's about sharing, and working together rather than relying on one invisible master to solve all our problems. Imagine what would happen if all the hardware vendors who put their resources into providing extensions to the monopolistic OS were to provide enhancements to Linux, and other OSs with a commitment to compatability, and interoperability. As regards RTFM, that takes time, and requires that you UTFM (understand). That takes experience. I've had things go wrong with installs on the monopolistic OS. When that happens, I have virtually no way of looking behind the GUI and seeing what is actually going wrong. After several hours of trial and error, I may discover that I have to give a particular field in the GUI focus even though it does not require any input. If something goes wrong with a SuSE setup, I may spend the same number of hours tracing through hard to follow configuration scripts and find that, for some reason a particular file is not being replaced, or modified. I can then implement a workaround, and notify SuSE of the problem. IMO, when you break the seal on the distribution CD, you are making a commitment to expend a bit of effort, and do you part to improve the product for yourself, and for the rest of the world. SuSE doesn't own Linux, and Novell doesn't own Linux. You own Linux. The "free" in free software does not mean cost free, it means free as in live free or die. Find the term Stamp Act here: http://www.americanrevolution.com/KingGeorge3rd.htm -- Regards, Steven
Steven T. Hatton wrote:
On Friday 27 May 2005 21:40, Arie Reynaldi Z wrote:
Well if every idiot who can't RTFM and screws up the install would quit spamming SUSE-Linux-E with how "bad" 9.3 is maybe they would do a little better.
Oo, so now it'ss the users fault ? They are actually good parameters that people very eager to use suse and they might just another M$ users who try to swtich to linux beacuse of license problem. Yes, the still see linux as windows, they dont know what kind of hardware in their PC's, but they want to switch to SuSE. So bare with them if they screw in installation or they dont like to RTFM... :) And it should be respond positively from developer point of view. regards,
I believe there is a middle ground somewhere in here. When I came to Linux and open source, the pervailing opinion was that OSS was about contributing to improve the product you are using. People who break the seal on the DVD box and proceed to install SuSE Linux need to appreciate that they are working with a different business model than that which prevails in the software industry.
We need to keep in mind that companies such as NVidia and, even worse, ATI, put almost all their effort into supporting operating systems made by one company which holds a virtual monopoly on the desktop market. I reveived 9 DVDs with my new NVidia card. All of them require operating systems made by that one company.
Sure, when I stuck the NVidia CD in with that companies flagship OS running, I got all kinds of nify GUI help in installing the drivers. With SuSE, things were a bit more arcane, and did not work flawlessly. But I got it working. That means it can work, and work better. I reported my problems to SuSE, and shared my observation on this list, so that other people could learn from my experience. And that is the bottom line. It's about sharing, and working together rather than relying on one invisible master to solve all our problems.
Imagine what would happen if all the hardware vendors who put their resources into providing extensions to the monopolistic OS were to provide enhancements to Linux, and other OSs with a commitment to compatability, and interoperability.
As regards RTFM, that takes time, and requires that you UTFM (understand). That takes experience. I've had things go wrong with installs on the monopolistic OS. When that happens, I have virtually no way of looking behind the GUI and seeing what is actually going wrong. After several hours of trial and error, I may discover that I have to give a particular field in the GUI focus even though it does not require any input. If something goes wrong with a SuSE setup, I may spend the same number of hours tracing through hard to follow configuration scripts and find that, for some reason a particular file is not being replaced, or modified. I can then implement a workaround, and notify SuSE of the problem.
IMO, when you break the seal on the distribution CD, you are making a commitment to expend a bit of effort, and do you part to improve the product for yourself, and for the rest of the world. SuSE doesn't own Linux, and Novell doesn't own Linux. You own Linux. The "free" in free software does not mean cost free, it means free as in live free or die.
Find the term Stamp Act here: http://www.americanrevolution.com/KingGeorge3rd.htm
Very well said Steven........I know I feel this way too and I'm sure lots of other people do to. A well balanced explaination in a world of chaos. -- Brian Craft Jabber id: javaman67@jabber.org Linux Counter id: 97873 Linux......the OS of Choice!
Allen wrote:
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 02:36:44PM -0700, Osho GG wrote:
See the full news at
http://news.com.com/Novell+reports+loss+as+older+business+shrinks/2100-1014_...
I hope this does not influence the future of SuSE Linux negatively. A quote from the article:
Well if every idiot who can't RTFM and screws up the install would quit spamming SUSE-Linux-E with how "bad" 9.3 is maybe they would do a little better.
Hmm, yet another SuSE geek's response to a serious problem :-) . Why don't people try Xandros Deluxe v3.0? Installs like a dream, recognises all the hardware, automatically resizes Windows partitions during installation, the sound works from the start, installs during the installation process the nVidia driver without all the crap about proprietary s/ware, and it even runs some M$ software like Photoshop and Office because it comes with CrossOver Office. Oh, and when you turn off the Screensaver it actually turns off and stays off. Personally I think this is the future desktop OS to replace M$, but what do I know. If you live in Australia, a copy of Xandros OCE (Open Circulation Edition) v3.0 is available on the DVD which comes with the June issue of the APC magazine and if you have broadband then you can download this version from the xandros site www.xandros.com . Try it.
"Revenue grew, but we'd like to see them grow more," Tibbetts said. "Even in our Linux business, we would have liked to do better there."
-- Osho
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Basil, On Saturday 28 May 2005 06:44, Basil Chupin wrote:
...
Why don't people try Xandros Deluxe v3.0? Installs like a dream, recognises all the hardware, automatically resizes Windows partitions during installation, the sound works from the start, installs during the installation process the nVidia driver without all the crap about proprietary s/ware, and it even runs some M$ software like Photoshop and Office because it comes with CrossOver Office. Oh, and when you turn off the Screensaver it actually turns off and stays off.
And already behind the times: Kernel 2.6.9, KDE 3.3, OO.o 1.1, X.org 6.7, Java 1.4.2, CrossOver Office 4.1 (which is a 30-day trial only). Limited s/w: Reiser and Ext3 only, e.g. But what would we expect: "Based on Debian..." See <http://www.xandros.com/products/home/desktopsurf/dsk_surf_details.html>. Generally speaking, there's no reason to think this distribution is any more impervious to things breaking (the screen saver, e.g.) as an individual user starts modifying and extending the configuration. And for what it's worth, I've not had any problem controlling my screen saver. This distribution may be a good choice for some users, but probably not for those of us for whom SuSE is a good choice.
Personally I think this is the future desktop OS to replace M$, but what do I know.
Only you know what you know.
...
Randall Schulz
Installs like a dream for you, but for me it doesn't. Xandros also doesn't support other things like SMP, among many other things, on Deluxe 3.0. You have to buy the Business Edition for that. Alfredo On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 09:26 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Basil,
On Saturday 28 May 2005 06:44, Basil Chupin wrote:
...
Why don't people try Xandros Deluxe v3.0? Installs like a dream, recognises all the hardware, automatically resizes Windows partitions during installation, the sound works from the start, installs during the installation process the nVidia driver without all the crap about proprietary s/ware, and it even runs some M$ software like Photoshop and Office because it comes with CrossOver Office. Oh, and when you turn off the Screensaver it actually turns off and stays off.
And already behind the times: Kernel 2.6.9, KDE 3.3, OO.o 1.1, X.org 6.7, Java 1.4.2, CrossOver Office 4.1 (which is a 30-day trial only). Limited s/w: Reiser and Ext3 only, e.g. But what would we expect: "Based on Debian..."
See <http://www.xandros.com/products/home/desktopsurf/dsk_surf_details.html>.
Generally speaking, there's no reason to think this distribution is any more impervious to things breaking (the screen saver, e.g.) as an individual user starts modifying and extending the configuration. And for what it's worth, I've not had any problem controlling my screen saver.
This distribution may be a good choice for some users, but probably not for those of us for whom SuSE is a good choice.
Personally I think this is the future desktop OS to replace M$, but what do I know.
Only you know what you know.
...
Randall Schulz
Alfredo, On Saturday 28 May 2005 12:06, Alfredo Yunes wrote:
Installs like a dream for you, but for me it doesn't. Xandros also doesn't support other things like SMP, among many other things, on Deluxe 3.0. You have to buy the Business Edition for that.
Not for me. I have never tried Xandros. I think you meant to reply to Basil. Randall Schulz
On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 09:26 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Basil,
On Saturday 28 May 2005 06:44, Basil Chupin wrote:
...
Why don't people try Xandros Deluxe v3.0? Installs like a dream, ...
...
Randall Schulz
Alfredo Yunes wrote:
Installs like a dream for you, but for me it doesn't. Xandros also doesn't support other things like SMP, among many other things, on Deluxe 3.0. You have to buy the Business Edition for that.
Alfredo
On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 09:26 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Basil,
On Saturday 28 May 2005 06:44, Basil Chupin wrote:
...
Why don't people try Xandros Deluxe v3.0? Installs like a dream, recognises all the hardware, automatically resizes Windows partitions during installation, the sound works from the start, installs during the installation process the nVidia driver without all the crap about proprietary s/ware, and it even runs some M$ software like Photoshop and Office because it comes with CrossOver Office. Oh, and when you turn off the Screensaver it actually turns off and stays off.
And already behind the times: Kernel 2.6.9, KDE 3.3, OO.o 1.1, X.org 6.7, Java 1.4.2, CrossOver Office 4.1 (which is a 30-day trial only). Limited s/w: Reiser and Ext3 only, e.g. But what would we expect: "Based on Debian..."
See <http://www.xandros.com/products/home/desktopsurf/dsk_surf_details.html>.
Generally speaking, there's no reason to think this distribution is any more impervious to things breaking (the screen saver, e.g.) as an individual user starts modifying and extending the configuration. And for what it's worth, I've not had any problem controlling my screen saver.
This distribution may be a good choice for some users, but probably not for those of us for whom SuSE is a good choice.
Personally I think this is the future desktop OS to replace M$, but what do I know.
Only you know what you know.
...
Randall Schulz
To the List: Actually buying and installing ANY version of Linux is the major goal of all on this list, I hope! But, when a distro has problems, instead of just bad mouthing it, people should ask for help!! The only "bad mouthing" I have, is that the distros come out with new versions WITHOUT COMPLETELY CORRECTING the problems with what is already out there!!! I am NOT upgrading from 9.2 to 9.3, simply because I have not mastered 9.2, which has a great deal to it! I do NOT understand how to untar no matter who gives me information on how to, for instance, and there are some minor upgrades that are tar that I would like to use and can't. So, is that the distro's fault? NO! I think, though, it would be nice if some of those who begrudge the neophytes attempts to learn and ask, would keep their fingers off the key board unless they have some CONSTRUCTIVE words to say!!!!! :-)
On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 12:53 -0700, OldSarge wrote:
Alfredo Yunes wrote:
To the List: Actually buying and installing ANY version of Linux is the major goal of all on this list, I hope! But, when a distro has problems, instead of just bad mouthing it, people should ask for help!! The only "bad mouthing" I have, is that the distros come out with new versions WITHOUT COMPLETELY CORRECTING the problems with what is already out there!!! I am NOT upgrading from 9.2 to 9.3, simply because I have not mastered 9.2, which has a great deal to it! I do NOT understand how to untar no matter who gives me information on how to, for instance, and there are some minor upgrades that are tar that I would like to use and can't. So, is that the distro's fault? NO! I think, though, it would be nice if some of those who begrudge the neophytes attempts to learn and ask, would keep their fingers off the key board unless they have some CONSTRUCTIVE words to say!!!!! :-)
What is it about tar that you don't understand? tar xvf some_tar_file.who_cares_about_the_extension will extract all of the files from a tar file. If the tar file is compressed use the appropriate switch: xzvf - for gzipped tar files xjvf - for bzipped tar files xZvf - for compressed tar files If you only want to look at the contents of the tar file change the x (eXtract) with a t (for Tally). It really is quite simple once you know a couple of basics. If you give me a specific example of a tar file I will give you the exact tar command. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge
On Saturday 28 May 2005 22:13, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 12:53 -0700, OldSarge wrote:
Alfredo Yunes wrote:
To the List: Actually buying and installing ANY version of Linux is the major goal of all on this list, I hope! But, when a distro has problems, instead of just bad mouthing it, people should ask for help!! The only "bad mouthing" I have, is that the distros come out with new versions WITHOUT COMPLETELY CORRECTING the problems with what is already out there!!! I am NOT upgrading from 9.2 to 9.3, simply because I have not mastered 9.2, which has a great deal to it! I do NOT understand how to untar no matter who gives me information on how to, for instance, and there are some minor upgrades that are tar that I would like to use and can't. So, is that the distro's fault? NO! I think, though, it would be nice if some of those who begrudge the neophytes attempts to learn and ask, would keep their fingers off the key board unless they have some CONSTRUCTIVE words to say!!!!! :-)
What is it about tar that you don't understand?
tar xvf some_tar_file.who_cares_about_the_extension
Or, since we're talking about 'neophytes', open konqueror the file manager, right-click on the tar file and "Extract" Linux is a desktop solution
Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 12:53 -0700, OldSarge wrote:
Alfredo Yunes wrote:
To the List: Actually buying and installing ANY version of Linux is the major goal of all on this list, I hope! But, when a distro has problems, instead of just bad mouthing it, people should ask for help!! The only "bad mouthing" I have, is that the distros come out with new versions WITHOUT COMPLETELY CORRECTING the problems with what is already out there!!! I am NOT upgrading from 9.2 to 9.3, simply because I have not mastered 9.2, which has a great deal to it! I do NOT understand how to untar no matter who gives me information on how to, for instance, and there are some minor upgrades that are tar that I would like to use and can't. So, is that the distro's fault? NO! I think, though, it would be nice if some of those who begrudge the neophytes attempts to learn and ask, would keep their fingers off the key board unless they have some CONSTRUCTIVE words to say!!!!! :-)
What is it about tar that you don't understand?
tar xvf some_tar_file.who_cares_about_the_extension
will extract all of the files from a tar file. If the tar file is compressed use the appropriate switch: xzvf - for gzipped tar files xjvf - for bzipped tar files xZvf - for compressed tar files
If you only want to look at the contents of the tar file change the x (eXtract) with a t (for Tally).
It really is quite simple once you know a couple of basics. If you give me a specific example of a tar file I will give you the exact tar command.
To Mr. Schneider: Thank you for your response. The tar file I just downloaded is; /tmp/OOo_1.1.4_linuxintel_/install.tar.gz
On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 13:48 -0700, OldSarge wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 12:53 -0700, OldSarge wrote:
What is it about tar that you don't understand?
tar xvf some_tar_file.who_cares_about_the_extension
will extract all of the files from a tar file. If the tar file is compressed use the appropriate switch: xzvf - for gzipped tar files xjvf - for bzipped tar files xZvf - for compressed tar files
If you only want to look at the contents of the tar file change the x (eXtract) with a t (for Tally).
It really is quite simple once you know a couple of basics. If you give me a specific example of a tar file I will give you the exact tar command.
To Mr. Schneider: Thank you for your response. The tar file I just downloaded is; /tmp/OOo_1.1.4_linuxintel_/install.tar.gz
cd /tmp tar xzvf OOo_1.1.4_linuxintel_install.tar.gz (You had a slash between _ and install which is not correct). cd OOo_1.1.4_linuxintel_install ./install (to install the package, follow the prompts). There may be a README file with further instructions. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge
On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 18:28 -0400, Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 13:48 -0700, OldSarge wrote:
Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 12:53 -0700, OldSarge wrote:
What is it about tar that you don't understand?
tar xvf some_tar_file.who_cares_about_the_extension
will extract all of the files from a tar file. If the tar file is compressed use the appropriate switch: xzvf - for gzipped tar files xjvf - for bzipped tar files xZvf - for compressed tar files
If you only want to look at the contents of the tar file change the x (eXtract) with a t (for Tally).
It really is quite simple once you know a couple of basics. If you give me a specific example of a tar file I will give you the exact tar command.
To Mr. Schneider: Thank you for your response. The tar file I just downloaded is; /tmp/OOo_1.1.4_linuxintel_/install.tar.gz
cd /tmp tar xzvf OOo_1.1.4_linuxintel_install.tar.gz (You had a slash between _ and install which is not correct). cd OOo_1.1.4_linuxintel_install ./install (to install the package, follow the prompts).
There may be a README file with further instructions.
Further checking, there is a 1.1.3 version available for download via YOU (SuSE 9.3) unless there is some feature in 1.1.4 that you need. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge
Ken Schneider wrote:
On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 12:53 -0700, OldSarge wrote:
Alfredo Yunes wrote:
To the List: Actually buying and installing ANY version of Linux is the major goal of all on this list, I hope! But, when a distro has problems, instead of just bad mouthing it, people should ask for help!! The only "bad mouthing" I have, is that the distros come out with new versions WITHOUT COMPLETELY CORRECTING the problems with what is already out there!!! I am NOT upgrading from 9.2 to 9.3, simply because I have not mastered 9.2, which has a great deal to it! I do NOT understand how to untar no matter who gives me information on how to, for instance, and there are some minor upgrades that are tar that I would like to use and can't. So, is that the distro's fault? NO! I think, though, it would be nice if some of those who begrudge the neophytes attempts to learn and ask, would keep their fingers off the key board unless they have some CONSTRUCTIVE words to say!!!!! :-)
What is it about tar that you don't understand?
tar xvf some_tar_file.who_cares_about_the_extension
will extract all of the files from a tar file. If the tar file is compressed use the appropriate switch: xzvf - for gzipped tar files xjvf - for bzipped tar files xZvf - for compressed tar files
If you only want to look at the contents of the tar file change the x (eXtract) with a t (for Tally).
It really is quite simple once you know a couple of basics. If you give me a specific example of a tar file I will give you the exact tar command.
To Mr. Schneider: correct that to read /tmp/OOo_1.1.4_linuxintel_install.tar.gz
OldSarge wrote:
Alfredo Yunes wrote:
Installs like a dream for you, but for me it doesn't. Xandros also doesn't support other things like SMP, among many other things, on Deluxe 3.0. You have to buy the Business Edition for that.
Alfredo
On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 09:26 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Basil,
On Saturday 28 May 2005 06:44, Basil Chupin wrote:
...
Why don't people try Xandros Deluxe v3.0? Installs like a dream, recognises all the hardware, automatically resizes Windows partitions during installation, the sound works from the start, installs during the installation process the nVidia driver without all the crap about proprietary s/ware, and it even runs some M$ software like Photoshop and Office because it comes with CrossOver Office. Oh, and when you turn off the Screensaver it actually turns off and stays off.
And already behind the times: Kernel 2.6.9, KDE 3.3, OO.o 1.1, X.org 6.7, Java 1.4.2, CrossOver Office 4.1 (which is a 30-day trial only). Limited s/w: Reiser and Ext3 only, e.g. But what would we expect: "Based on Debian..."
See <http://www.xandros.com/products/home/desktopsurf/dsk_surf_details.html>.
Generally speaking, there's no reason to think this distribution is any more impervious to things breaking (the screen saver, e.g.) as an individual user starts modifying and extending the configuration. And for what it's worth, I've not had any problem controlling my screen saver.
This distribution may be a good choice for some users, but probably not for those of us for whom SuSE is a good choice.
Personally I think this is the future desktop OS to replace M$, but what do I know.
Only you know what you know.
...
Randall Schulz
To the List: Actually buying and installing ANY version of Linux is the major goal of all on this list, I hope! But, when a distro has problems, instead of just bad mouthing it, people should ask for help!! The only "bad mouthing" I have, is that the distros come out with new versions WITHOUT COMPLETELY CORRECTING the problems with what is already out there!!! I am NOT upgrading from 9.2 to 9.3, simply because I have not mastered 9.2, which has a great deal to it! I do NOT understand how to untar no matter who gives me information on how to, for instance, and there are some minor upgrades that are tar that I would like to use and can't. So, is that the distro's fault? NO! I think, though, it would be nice if some of those who begrudge the neophytes attempts to learn and ask, would keep their fingers off the key board unless they have some CONSTRUCTIVE words to say!!!!! :-)
Un-tar-ing a file is really very straightforward, OldSarge, if you are having a hassle with using the command line approach. I assume that you are able to use MC (Midnight Commander) from within your Console (the little TV screen at bottom left of the Taskbar)? If so then go into the Console, start mc (just type mc <Enter> at the prompt), go to the directory where the tar-red file is sitting (I automatically put these file into a TEMP directory specially created for this purpose), highlight the file by placing the cursor on it (or right-click on it if this is possible), then press the F2 key and select the appropriate action from the menu: x or the z option. For the file you mention in your msg the x option would be the one to use. The above can be done either as a normal User or as Root if you login in at the Console as Root and have to install a file as Root . Cheers. -- "The truth of the matter is, if you listen carefully, Saddam would still be in power if he were president of the United States, and the world would be a lot better off." George W Bush 8 October 2004.
Randall R Schulz wrote: [snip]
And already behind the times: Kernel 2.6.9, KDE 3.3, OO.o 1.1, X.org 6.7, Java 1.4.2, CrossOver Office 4.1 (which is a 30-day trial only). Limited s/w: Reiser and Ext3 only, e.g. But what would we expect: "Based on Debian..." [snip]
IME, the vast majority of users neither know nor care whether they are up with or behind the times. They just want something that is dead easy to install and use, which comes with the right kind of software and which works very reliably. Since users like this probably won't be running particularly new hardware, older programs that go easier on resources can be a plus point. These users exist in their countless millions. They simply do not have the money to buy new copies of Windows software and fancy new hardware. A friend of mine who runs an old p2 recently asked me what a "computer's bios" was. They had never heard the term and hadn't any idea. I guess anyone who wants to produce a pop OS really has to start at a level that's this basic. My own money is on Ubuntu, but not for a couple of years at a guess. Oh, and "based on Debian" may well be the wave of the future anyway, not a putdown. The city of Munich clearly thinks so. :) Fish
On 5/28/05, Mark Crean <mcrean@snowpetrel.net> wrote:
Oh, and "based on Debian" may well be the wave of the future anyway, not a putdown. The city of Munich clearly thinks so.
Well, following that train of thought then what would explain the Australian University that I just read about that got rid of their Debian lab in favor of an OS X lab? It's all about what the person in charge wants or buys into... diversity is good. :) -Ben -- "There is no need to teach that stars can fall out of the sky and land on a flat Earth in order to defend religious faith."
On Saturday 28 May 2005 23:14, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Well, following that train of thought then what would explain the Australian University that I just read about that got rid of their Debian lab in favor of an OS X lab?
A donation? As long as OS X is tied to an overly expensive hardware platform it will never be more than a niche player, no matter how good it is. For the same reason you will always see more Toyotas and Hondas than Ferraris or BMWs on the streets If IBM would price the POWER platform more reasonably though, I would leap at it. Those chips really are nice
On 5/28/05, Anders Johansson <andjoh@rydsbo.net> wrote:
On Saturday 28 May 2005 23:14, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
Well, following that train of thought then what would explain the Australian University that I just read about that got rid of their Debian lab in favor of an OS X lab?
A donation?
bought
As long as OS X is tied to an overly expensive hardware platform it will never be more than a niche player, no matter how good it is. For the same reason you will always see more Toyotas and Hondas than Ferraris or BMWs on the streets
FUD
If IBM would price the POWER platform more reasonably though, I would leap at it. Those chips really are nice
Cell -Ben -- "There is no need to teach that stars can fall out of the sky and land on a flat Earth in order to defend religious faith."
On Saturday 28 May 2005 23:44, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
On 5/28/05, Anders Johansson <andjoh@rydsbo.net> wrote:
As long as OS X is tied to an overly expensive hardware platform it will never be more than a niche player, no matter how good it is. For the same reason you will always see more Toyotas and Hondas than Ferraris or BMWs on the streets
FUD
How is that FUD? FUD stands for Fear, uncertainty and doubt. The price of the POWER platform is out there for anyone to see. While the price tag does scare me, there is no uncertainty or doubt about it. It is bloody expensive
If IBM would price the POWER platform more reasonably though, I would leap at it. Those chips really are nice
Cell
huh?
On 5/28/05, Anders Johansson <andjoh@rydsbo.net> wrote:
On Saturday 28 May 2005 23:44, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
On 5/28/05, Anders Johansson <andjoh@rydsbo.net> wrote:
As long as OS X is tied to an overly expensive hardware platform it will never be more than a niche player, no matter how good it is. For the same reason you will always see more Toyotas and Hondas than Ferraris or BMWs on the streets
FUD
How is that FUD? FUD stands for Fear, uncertainty and doubt. The price of the POWER platform is out there for anyone to see. While the price tag does scare me, there is no uncertainty or doubt about it. It is bloody expensive
FUD in this sense equals bullshit. A comparable Dual AMD 64 is as expensive or more expensive the a Dual G5 of the same power so again... the cost buy in argument is crap. And when you have the Mini, iBook, iMac and eMac out there.. again for what you get .. it's not expensive. But then again I don't give a shit... let people use what they want but don't use that niche market shit... it's the same argument that Windows user use against Linux .. "well, until grandma can use it.. it's a niche player". And I use the term correctly... fear = of cost uncertainty = of cost doubt = if it's really that expensive do I want to buy it.
If IBM would price the POWER platform more reasonably though, I would leap at it. Those chips really are nice
Cell
huh?
PPC Cell Processor.. ie. XBox 360 and Playstation 3 as well as the new server blades that IBM showed at E3. There is also talk that these will power Apple laptops and Desktops in the very near future. They top out at 3.8ghz now but IBM says they will be running at 4.6Ghz within 18 months. -Ben -- "There is no need to teach that stars can fall out of the sky and land on a flat Earth in order to defend religious faith."
On Sunday 29 May 2005 00:27, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
On 5/28/05, Anders Johansson <andjoh@rydsbo.net> wrote:
On Saturday 28 May 2005 23:44, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
On 5/28/05, Anders Johansson <andjoh@rydsbo.net> wrote:
As long as OS X is tied to an overly expensive hardware platform it will never be more than a niche player, no matter how good it is. For the same reason you will always see more Toyotas and Hondas than Ferraris or BMWs on the streets
FUD
How is that FUD? FUD stands for Fear, uncertainty and doubt. The price of the POWER platform is out there for anyone to see. While the price tag does scare me, there is no uncertainty or doubt about it. It is bloody expensive
FUD in this sense equals bullshit.
Cute
A comparable Dual AMD 64 is as expensive or more expensive the a Dual G5 of the same power so again... the cost buy in argument is crap.
Oh I am sorry, I do beg your forgiveness. All the masses who went out and bought dual Opterons for their desktops could have gotten dual G5s for the same price. My my, what a mistake to make, how could I have been so stupid
And when you have the Mini, iBook, iMac and eMac out there.. again for what you get .. it's not expensive.
Most people can't buy on a cost/performance argument, most people have to look at actual money spent
But then again I don't give a shit... let people use what they want but don't use that niche market shit... it's the same argument that Windows user use against Linux .. "well, until grandma can use it.. it's a niche player".
No, not really. Until it gets a significant percentage of users it is, and yes, linux on the desktop is a niche player still (linux on the server isn't).
Cell
huh?
PPC Cell Processor.. ie. XBox 360 and Playstation 3 as well as the new server blades that IBM showed at E3. There is also talk that these will power Apple laptops and Desktops in the very near future. They top out at 3.8ghz now but IBM says they will be running at 4.6Ghz within 18 months.
Sounds very interesting
On 5/28/05, Anders Johansson <andjoh@rydsbo.net> wrote:
A comparable Dual AMD 64 is as expensive or more expensive the a Dual G5 of the same power so again... the cost buy in argument is crap.
Oh I am sorry, I do beg your forgiveness. All the masses who went out and bought dual Opterons for their desktops could have gotten dual G5s for the same price. My my, what a mistake to make, how could I have been so stupid
Don't be snide. You know damn well what I was talking about. And as far as the masses go.. should I follow? Should I be a lemming and buy an eMachine, use Outlook..etc..etc. No. So don't use that "everybody does this" or " everybody thinks this" arguments. Not gonna work., And as far as your honda/toyota comments... I own a Honda and a 17 Powerbook.. guess if I bought a substandard Dell POS that I could have that BMW. Wow! What a thought! :P
And when you have the Mini, iBook, iMac and eMac out there.. again for what you get .. it's not expensive.
Most people can't buy on a cost/performance argument, most people have to look at actual money spent
Most people suffer from cranial-rectal inversion.. should I care? If yes, then when asked I will educate them in price/performance and help them get the best thing for their cash... and I'm not convinced a 3Ghz blast furnace is needed to run a browser and mail client. But whatever.
But then again I don't give a shit... let people use what they want but don't use that niche market shit... it's the same argument that Windows user use against Linux .. "well, until grandma can use it.. it's a niche player".
No, not really. Until it gets a significant percentage of users it is, and yes, linux on the desktop is a niche player still (linux on the server isn't).
Based on the fact that my close to elderly parents use an AMD Athlon running SUSE 9.1 and like it.. I don't buy the grandma argument either. I gave my father my old TiBook (Mac) and you know what.. he liked KDE/OpenOffice better then Aqua / MSOffice. Go figure. In any event I'm not going to argue anymore about this subject. It's like trying to chew on ones own teeth.. doesn't work. And it's way off topic. -Ben -- "There is no need to teach that stars can fall out of the sky and land on a flat Earth in order to defend religious faith."
On Saturday 28 May 2005 6:48 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
PPC Cell Processor.. ie. XBox 360 and Playstation 3 as well as the new server blades that IBM showed at E3. There is also talk that these will power Apple laptops and Desktops in the very near future. They top out at 3.8ghz now but IBM says they will be running at 4.6Ghz within 18 months.
Sounds very interesting
It is. ;) Fred -- "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" Brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act(s) numerous Presidential Directives, etc.
Anders Johansson wrote:
If IBM would price the POWER platform more reasonably though, I would leap at it. Those chips really are nice Cell
huh?
The "cell" is the newest generation of PowerPC, which is apparently going to be used in games etc. It's extremely powerful. http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cells/Cell0.html
Mark, On Saturday 28 May 2005 13:51, Mark Crean wrote:
Randall R Schulz wrote: [snip]
And already behind the times: Kernel 2.6.9, KDE 3.3, OO.o 1.1, X.org 6.7, Java 1.4.2, CrossOver Office 4.1 (which is a 30-day trial only). Limited s/w: Reiser and Ext3 only, e.g. But what would we expect: "Based on Debian..."
[snip]
IME, the vast majority of users neither know nor care whether they are up with or behind the times. They just want something that is dead easy to install and use, which comes with the right kind of software and which works very reliably. Since users like this probably won't be running particularly new hardware, older programs that go easier on resources can be a plus point. These users exist in their countless millions. They simply do not have the money to buy new copies of Windows software and fancy new hardware.
The real point of my post was the part you neglected to quote or respond to:
This distribution may be a good choice for some users, but probably not for those of us for whom SuSE is a good choice.
If you want no muss, no fuss, then maybe one of the laggard distributions is a better choice. I truly appreciate having available the myriad improvements that the authors of the software I use are continually making. I really notice _and miss_ what's absent from my RedHat Enterprise 3 desktop at work vis a vis SuSE 9.3. KMail has come quite a long way in the past year or so, e.g. If users just want a box for email and Web browsing, then any old thing will do. That's not me and that's not, I think, the users SuSE caters to.
A friend of mine who runs an old p2 recently asked me what a "computer's bios" was. They had never heard the term and hadn't any idea. I guess anyone who wants to produce a pop OS really has to start at a level that's this basic. My own money is on Ubuntu, but not for a couple of years at a guess.
I'm a professional software developer. I can't live at the end of the technology spectrum where these people do. It gets pretty hard just trying to be helpful to them after a while. On the other hand, I was at a bookstore the other day and the cash register (the "point-of-sale terminal"), which was Windows-based, was having problems, possibly hardware-related--it wouldn't acknowledge the mouse that was plainly there and correctly connected. The person staffing the register, who identified herself as a nurse (this was the Stanford medical bookstore, which happens to have a decent IT section, too) couldn't get the thing through its start-up processing to enable its function as a cash register. I used the arrow keys to select the icon she said she needed to click to boot the POS terminal (delicious double entendre, eh?) and got the thing going. Ignoring one more diagnostic alert was all that was required, since the mouse was not used during normal operations. Now here's the good part: She gave me 10% off my purchase for being a good samaritan!
Oh, and "based on Debian" may well be the wave of the future anyway, not a putdown. The city of Munich clearly thinks so.
Good for them. Novell's going to have to make a lot of mistakes to drive me away from SuSE.
:)
Fish
Randall Schulz
On Saturday 28 May 2005 7:31 pm, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Oh, and "based on Debian" may well be the wave of the future anyway, not a putdown. The city of Munich clearly thinks so.
Good for them. Novell's going to have to make a lot of mistakes to drive me away from SuSE.
You AREN'T alone! Fred -- "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" Brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act(s) numerous Presidential Directives, etc.
On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 12:26, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Basil,
On Saturday 28 May 2005 06:44, Basil Chupin wrote:
...
Why don't people try Xandros Deluxe v3.0? Installs like a dream, recognises all the hardware, automatically resizes Windows partitions during installation, the sound works from the start, installs during the installation process the nVidia driver without all the crap about proprietary s/ware, and it even runs some M$ software like Photoshop and Office because it comes with CrossOver Office. Oh, and when you turn off the Screensaver it actually turns off and stays off.
And already behind the times: Kernel 2.6.9, KDE 3.3, OO.o 1.1, X.org 6.7, Java 1.4.2, CrossOver Office 4.1 (which is a 30-day trial only). Limited s/w: Reiser and Ext3 only, e.g. But what would we expect: "Based on Debian..."
I'e got the 3.02 community release on my HD, nice, but no internet, install the 2.0 community version, nice, and internet.
See <http://www.xandros.com/products/home/desktopsurf/dsk_surf_details.html>.
Generally speaking, there's no reason to think this distribution is any more impervious to things breaking (the screen saver, e.g.) as an individual user starts modifying and extending the configuration. And for what it's worth, I've not had any problem controlling my screen saver.
Xandros warns you that if you use .deb packages from elsewhere it cannot probably handle any updates for them.
This distribution may be a good choice for some users, but probably not for those of us for whom SuSE is a good choice.
Agreed, Ubuntu 5.04 hoary hedgehog is head and shoulders better than Xandros In My Opinion!!!. Neither of them have YaST which I must admit has me spoiled rotten.
Personally I think this is the future desktop OS to replace M$, but what do I know.
Only you know what you know.
It needs a lot of work to get there, but this may be the difference between their box version capabilities and their download (bit-torrent only) version.
to me it seems asif suse is always first to add new things to their distro. Why dont they first sort out all the little bugs for example: cd drive problems, wvdial and more than one network card will swop ip's. Maybe all these and more have been fixed in 9.3 seeing i am using 9.1. I like suse but it always seems asif there are small basic things that do not work as it should. On Sat, 28 May 2005 23:57:53 -0400 Mike McMullin <mwmcmlln@mnsi.net> wrote:
Basil,
On Saturday 28 May 2005 06:44, Basil Chupin wrote:
...
Why don't people try Xandros Deluxe v3.0? Installs
recognises all the hardware, automatically resizes Windows partitions during installation, the sound works from the start, installs during the installation process the nVidia driver without all the crap about proprietary s/ware, and it even runs some M$ software
On Sat, 2005-05-28 at 12:26, Randall R Schulz wrote: like a dream, like Photoshop
and Office because it comes with CrossOver Office. Oh, and when you turn off the Screensaver it actually turns off and stays off.
And already behind the times: Kernel 2.6.9, KDE 3.3, OO.o 1.1, X.org 6.7, Java 1.4.2, CrossOver Office 4.1 (which is a 30-day trial only). Limited s/w: Reiser and Ext3 only, e.g. But what would we expect: "Based on Debian..."
I'e got the 3.02 community release on my HD, nice, but no internet, install the 2.0 community version, nice, and internet.
See
<http://www.xandros.com/products/home/desktopsurf/dsk_surf_details.html>.
Generally speaking, there's no reason to think this
distribution is any
more impervious to things breaking (the screen saver, e.g.) as an individual user starts modifying and extending the configuration. And for what it's worth, I've not had any problem controlling my screen saver.
Xandros warns you that if you use .deb packages from elsewhere it cannot probably handle any updates for them.
This distribution may be a good choice for some users, but probably not for those of us for whom SuSE is a good choice.
Agreed, Ubuntu 5.04 hoary hedgehog is head and shoulders better than Xandros In My Opinion!!!. Neither of them have YaST which I must admit has me spoiled rotten.
Personally I think this is the future desktop OS to replace M$, but what do I know.
Only you know what you know.
It needs a lot of work to get there, but this may be the difference between their box version capabilities and their download (bit-torrent only) version.
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it clown wrote:
to me it seems asif suse is always first to add new things to their distro. Why dont they first sort out all the little bugs for example: cd drive problems, wvdial and more than one network card will swop ip's. Maybe all these and more have been fixed in 9.3 seeing i am using 9.1. I like suse but it always seems asif there are small basic things that do not work as it should.
I'm on 9.3 and I haven't seen any CD drive problems either in new installs or upgrade of my x86_64 laptop. Wvdial on the x86_64 has worked right through from 9.2 to 9.3, I was surprised to see that it picked up my config which I must have done some time previously and not tested. By one or more network cards, I presume you mean ethernet bonding, looks simple from http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/ethernet-bonding.txt, but I haven't yet tried it, I may have a go later as I have 3 boxen each with a spare ethernet connected to a second hub, but not bonded. I'm running 4 9.3 boxes including 1 x86_64 laptop and a P-II/333 laptop with 64M memory and 2M video using fvwm, 1 gentoo, 1 Mandrake 10.1 with SCSI and DVB-T card, 1 Mandriva LE2005 box, 1 BBIagent Linux box k6-II/333 128M as firewall to a cable modem (Astaro Secure Linux there as backup), plus one UltraSPARC 5 with the latest Solaris 10 installed and under KDE which I was surprised to see included, it's the same look and feel as my Linux boxen, they've included many GNU apps (including df, so "df -h" works) except for locate and recursive grep etc. and findutils from www.solarisfreeware.com, file says it's a package, but pkgadd doesn't recogise it, then again Sun has to retain a certain amount of same old hat stuff to let people know it's Solaris. All round SuSE has done a great job as has the other distros I use and I could use any of them in any environment. For many years I've used SuSE on the work's laptop to do everything, X3270 to talk to mainframes, xdmcp to admin large Solaris-based Sun/Fujitsu servers, give powerpoint presentations, run Lotus Notes mail, Citrix Linux client and use my home network to connect into work with the Cisco VPN Linux client and on the road, using a free ISP to dial-in to work using Cisco VPN. I've shown colleagues that I can do everything they can with Windows and more, just more securely, robust and versatile - all at a fraction of the cost as my SuSE distro is legal however many boxen it's installed on. Linux has been doing the job well on the desktop/laptop for years, I long ago cleaned Windows out of this house, even at my daughter's house they use SuSE 9.1 and recently she bought a new 17" LCD screen to replace the monitor - no problem, most time was spent getting it out of the box. Of course, I'd point any other occasional user at Linspire or Xandros if they weren't quite local to me. Regards Sid. <STUFF DELETED> -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM Mainframes and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux for all Computing Tasks
On Sun, 29 May 2005 10:21:15 +0200 "it clown" <suse@mailbox.co.za> wrote:
to me it seems asif suse is always first to add new things to their distro. Why dont they first sort out all the little bugs for example:
Top posting (user controlled BTW). tjm
On Sun, 2005-05-29 at 04:21, it clown wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2005 23:57:53 -0400 Mike McMullin <mwmcmlln@mnsi.net> wrote:
{snip} (Speaking of Xandros)
It needs a lot of work to get there, but this may be the difference > between their box version capabilities and their download (bit-torrent only) version.
to me it seems asif suse is always first to add new things to their distro. Why dont they first sort out all the little bugs for example: cd drive problems, wvdial and more than one network card will swop ip's. Maybe all these and more have been fixed in 9.3 seeing i am using 9.1. I like suse but it always seems asif there are small basic things that do not work as it should.
I'm running 9.1 here, I don't have any cd drive problems, wvdial when I use it instead of dsl works ok. I did have intermittent NIC problems on 2 of the 5 systems running 9.1 (one is now 9.3). I'm not too sure that 9.3 is going to be a good upgrade, but I've ordered it anyhow. I'll know when I go there whole hog. I've been using SuSE since 7.1 personal, and every update has always had more good in it than bad. I can't say that about Windows: Dos-95, fabulous, I hated 3.xx; 95-98, good but then it had to be MS-Dos and no other for the boot to DOS option to work; 98-ME, I won't be buying another version of Windows if I can help it at all. My son's laptop provided by his school with XP_Pro on it, doesn't impress me. At work I've used NT4, 2k, and XP-Pro, I'm not impressed by them from a user point of view. XP-Pro will trash the passwords, and seems to have deleted my account because I don't use it often enough. IIRC ME did this on occasion with some programs.
On Saturday 28 May 2005 03:11, Allen wrote:
Well if every idiot who can't RTFM and screws up the install would quit spamming SUSE-Linux-E with how "bad" 9.3 is maybe they would do a little better.
No. They can do better by getting things right with 10.0. Things definitely don't get better by experienced users being quiet about existing problems. Oh, that reminds me of the feedback form. Do they actually listen to that anymore? Haven't had any answers from there since Novell took charge. They are supposed to have more experienced support staff available now, but it surely looks like the exact opposite. Same goes for documentation. They surely don't bother to make it easily available anymore. Reminds me of the Dilbert-classic: - 'In order to serve our customers better, we've discontinued technical support.' - 'Umm, how does that serve customers better?' - 'We've directed the resources to another areas.' - 'What other areas?' - 'Profits. Play along and your bonus will be larger.' -- // Janne
On Sunday 29 May 2005 19:37, Janne Karhunen wrote:
No. They can do better by getting things right with 10.0. Things definitely don't get better by experienced users being quiet about existing problems.
Oh, that reminds me of the feedback form. Do they actually listen to that anymore? Haven't had any answers from there since Novell took charge.
There is an open bugzilla now. bugzilla.novell.com. Feel free to use it
They are supposed to have more experienced support staff available now, but it surely looks like the exact opposite.
How so?
Same goes for documentation. They surely don't bother to make it easily available anymore.
The web site is being heavily reworked to incorporate all the suse.com content. This will take a while. But even so, right now all knowledge base articles are searchable.
On Sunday 29 May 2005 20:45, Anders Johansson wrote:
No. They can do better by getting things right with 10.0. Things definitely don't get better by experienced users being quiet about existing problems.
Oh, that reminds me of the feedback form. Do they actually listen to that anymore? Haven't had any answers from there since Novell took charge.
There is an open bugzilla now. bugzilla.novell.com. Feel free to use it
Finally. Thanks, didn't know that.
They are supposed to have more experienced support staff available now, but it surely looks like the exact opposite.
How so?
They don't seem to bother to reply to 100% valid complete show stopper *kernel* bugs sent via feedback form anymore. That's bad. Or it just may be my bad luck this time, who knows. Anyway, i've reported several with zarro being replied. Previously i had responses within few business days. But let's try the bugzilla, if only i could have that SUSE kernel in use again :)
Same goes for documentation. They surely don't bother to make it easily available anymore.
The web site is being heavily reworked to incorporate all the suse.com content. This will take a while. But even so, right now all knowledge base articles are searchable.
Let's hope so. -- // Janne
On Sun, 2005-05-29 at 19:45 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:
Oh, that reminds me of the feedback form. Do they actually listen to that anymore? Haven't had any answers from there since Novell took charge.
There is an open bugzilla now. bugzilla.novell.com. Feel free to use it
Just went ot the site to report a kernel oops and I don't see 9.3 pro as a system to report on. Any ideas? -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge
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