Have installed xfree 4.1.0 updates and new nvidia drivers. When I try to start Mozilla, X crashes. What's up? ain
That wasn't all... Also Yast2 crashed with X. Removing Suse xfree updates from 01.12.2001 was a solution. ain
Have installed xfree 4.1.0 updates and new nvidia drivers. When I try to start Mozilla, X crashes. What's up?
ain
If you got the brandnew updates that were posted in the last couple days..backdown to the Oct1st releases or the ones from the 7.3 CD's. The new RPM's have MAJOR issues. They roasted X on my 7.2 workstation in the office and my home machine. I don't know if it's the fact that they don't play nice with the new nVidia release..or what it is. All I know is they DO not work for me..and it appears they don't work for you either. * Ain Vagula (ain@riiska.ee) [011205 06:18]: ->Have installed xfree 4.1.0 updates and new nvidia drivers. When I try to ->start Mozilla, X crashes. What's up? -> ->ain -> ->-- ->To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com ->For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com ->Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the ->archives at http://lists.suse.com -> -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" -AE
yeah, as SuSE feedback said, build 84 was broken, the new, 4.1.0-85 is up in ftp. ain
If you got the brandnew updates that were posted in the last couple days..backdown to the Oct1st releases or the ones from the 7.3 CD's. The new RPM's have MAJOR issues. They roasted X on my 7.2 workstation in the office and my home machine. I don't know if it's the fact that they don't play nice with the new nVidia release..or what it is. All I know is they DO not work for me..and it appears they don't work for you either.
* Ain Vagula (ain@riiska.ee) [011205 06:18]: ->Have installed xfree 4.1.0 updates and new nvidia drivers. When I try to ->start Mozilla, X crashes. What's up? -> ->ain -> ->-- ->To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com ->For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com ->Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the ->archives at http://lists.suse.com ->
-----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" -AE
On Thursday 06 December 2001 22.29, Ain Vagula wrote:
yeah, as SuSE feedback said, build 84 was broken, the new, 4.1.0-85 is up in ftp.
ain
I just suffered a major X crash with 4.1.0-85. Running k_deflt-2.4.16-5 from mantel/next/RPM, kde 2.2.2/qt 2.3.2 (latest packages from ftp.gwdg.de) on suse 7.3. I was running kmail, konqueror and xmms at the time. Just when a song had ended (No Doubt - Just a girl, if that's relevant :) everything froze except the mouse cursor. I was able to ssh in from my server, and top showed the X process at 99.5-99.8%cpu and 16%memory. strace -p<X process> showed an endless loop of SIGALRM (Mask is now []) sigreturn(). When I killed the X process, which usually works when this happens, the whole machine died, and wouldn't even respond to ping, forcing a reboot.
Have you tried to reproduce this with other songs? ;) ain Anders Johansson wrote:
suse 7.3. I was running kmail, konqueror and xmms at the time. Just when a song had ended (No Doubt - Just a girl, if that's relevant :) everything froze except the mouse cursor.
I tried with No woman No cry, but X kept running. I'm working on whether this means it has to be modern songs, or if it has to be feminist topics :) //Anders PS. Forgot to mention that I was also running the 2313 nvidia drivers. On Saturday 08 December 2001 19.27, Ain Vagula wrote:
Have you tried to reproduce this with other songs? ;)
ain
Anders Johansson wrote:
suse 7.3. I was running kmail, konqueror and xmms at the time. Just when a song had ended (No Doubt - Just a girl, if that's relevant :) everything froze except the mouse cursor.
* Ain Vagula
Have you tried to reproduce this with other songs? ;)
I know I have .. This behaviour has been apaparent with all Nvidia drivers (at least since 0.6-ish) and is always triggered when a (more or less large) section of the screen changes (e.g. when xmms chanes its skin, or whenh reloading a couple of pages in konquerors). Currently listening to: Slayer - Bloodline (God Hates Us All (Promo)) Gerhard, <@jasongeo.com> == The Acoustic Motorbiker == -- __O And the angel said unto me: "These are the cries of the carrots. =`\<, You see, tomorrow is harvest day, and to them, it is the holocaust." (=)/(=) And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat with the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared: "Hear me now, I have seen the light. They have a consciousness. They have a life. They have a soul. Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses.
On Saturday 08 Dec 2001 7:18 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 06 December 2001 22.29, Ain Vagula wrote:
yeah, as SuSE feedback said, build 84 was broken, the new, 4.1.0-85 is up in ftp.
ain
I just suffered a major X crash with 4.1.0-85. Running k_deflt-2.4.16-5 from mantel/next/RPM, kde 2.2.2/qt 2.3.2 (latest packages from ftp.gwdg.de) on suse 7.3. I was running kmail, konqueror and xmms at the time. Just when a song had ended (No Doubt - Just a girl, if that's relevant :) everything froze except the mouse cursor. I was able to ssh in from my server, and top showed the X process at 99.5-99.8%cpu and 16%memory. strace -p<X process> showed an endless loop of SIGALRM (Mask is now []) sigreturn(). When I killed the X process, which usually works when this happens, the whole machine died, and wouldn't even respond to ping, forcing a reboot.
I haven't tried the latest drivers yet but I know that 1.0541 wasn't too stable with X 4.1.0 on my m/c and I would get severe crashes like the one you describe. The old 1.1251 drivers are rock-solid though, even at AGP 4X. Here's some things you can try: Put AGP at 2x instead of 4x (in the BIOS) Make sure you use the NVidia AGP rather than agpgart if you're using a Via KT/KX chipset or an Intel chipset. agpgart is unstable for some chipsets (you may want to make sure it isn't compiled into the kernel but as a module instead). remake the NVdriver from source with the option
make NVdriver BUILD_PARAMS=NOAGPGART
Add the following(just to make absolutely sure)
Option "NvAgp" "1"
to the Device settings in XF86Config, as this is no longer the default with
the newer drivers.
Try putting disableapic as an append parameter in lilo.conf if the above
doesn't give you a stable system(I know that this worked for several people),
assuming you have a single-CPU box.
Be sure to go to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/nvidia_tsg.html for advanced
troubleshooting and some very good tips. This is basically the FAQ on using
NVidia drivers in Linux.
And watch those MTRR settings!
Good Luck (I'm sticking with good ol' 1.1251 for now)
--
Tim Harrell
On Saturday 08 December 2001 19.51, Tim Harrell wrote:
I haven't tried the latest drivers yet but I know that 1.0541 wasn't too stable with X 4.1.0 on my m/c and I would get severe crashes like the one you describe. The old 1.1251 drivers are rock-solid though, even at AGP 4X. Here's some things you can try:
Put AGP at 2x instead of 4x (in the BIOS)
Make sure you use the NVidia AGP rather than agpgart if you're using a Via KT/KX chipset or an Intel chipset. agpgart is unstable for some chipsets (you may want to make sure it isn't compiled into the kernel but as a module instead).
remake the NVdriver from source with the option
make NVdriver BUILD_PARAMS=NOAGPGART
Add the following(just to make absolutely sure)
Option "NvAgp" "1"
to the Device settings in XF86Config, as this is no longer the default with the newer drivers.
Try putting disableapic as an append parameter in lilo.conf if the above doesn't give you a stable system(I know that this worked for several people), assuming you have a single-CPU box.
Be sure to go to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/nvidia_tsg.html for advanced troubleshooting and some very good tips. This is basically the FAQ on using NVidia drivers in Linux.
And watch those MTRR settings!
Good Luck (I'm sticking with good ol' 1.1251 for now)
Thanks, I'll try a few things. The worst part is that these crashes happen so infrequently, and I'm not sure what triggers them, so it's very difficult to know what works and what doesn't. This type of crash has happened maybe four or five times over the course of maybe a year, so even if I don't do anything it could be several months till the next crash. Not very nice for the bug-hunters. //Anders
* Anders Johansson (andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net) [011208 10:31]: -> ->I just suffered a major X crash with 4.1.0-85. Running k_deflt-2.4.16-5 from ->mantel/next/RPM, kde 2.2.2/qt 2.3.2 (latest packages from ftp.gwdg.de) on ->suse 7.3. I was running kmail, konqueror and xmms at the time. Just when a ->song had ended (No Doubt - Just a girl, if that's relevant :) everything ->froze except the mouse cursor. I was able to ssh in from my server, and top ->showed the X process at 99.5-99.8%cpu and 16%memory. strace -p<X process> ->showed an endless loop of SIGALRM (Mask is now []) sigreturn(). When I killed ->the X process, which usually works when this happens, the whole machine died, ->and wouldn't even respond to ping, forcing a reboot. -> This happened to me a couple days ago..I reverted back to the Oct 1st XFree 4.1.0 RPMs..and all was well. Something has been ..ummm.. broken with the last 2 builds of X 4.1.0. I'm not sure why they are building new ones when the Oct 1st builds rock. *shrug* -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" -AE
On Saturday 08 December 2001 21.39, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
This happened to me a couple days ago..I reverted back to the Oct 1st XFree 4.1.0 RPMs..and all was well. Something has been ..ummm.. broken with the last 2 builds of X 4.1.0. I'm not sure why they are building new ones when the Oct 1st builds rock. *shrug*
Cool! Except that I don't have the old rpms anymore. You wouldn't happen to have an url where I can grab them would you //Anders
On Sunday 09 Dec 2001 12:27 am, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Saturday 08 December 2001 21.39, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
This happened to me a couple days ago..I reverted back to the Oct 1st XFree 4.1.0 RPMs..and all was well. Something has been ..ummm.. broken with the last 2 builds of X 4.1.0. I'm not sure why they are building new ones when the Oct 1st builds rock. *shrug*
Cool! Except that I don't have the old rpms anymore. You wouldn't happen to have an url where I can grab them would you
//Anders
Hope you have better luck than me then. I was using the Oct 1st X 4.1.0 RPMs
but still kept getting crashes with anything post 1.1251.
--
Tim Harrell
* Anders Johansson (andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net) [011208 16:29]: ->On Saturday 08 December 2001 21.39, Ben Rosenberg wrote: ->> This happened to me a couple days ago..I reverted back to the Oct 1st ->> XFree 4.1.0 RPMs..and all was well. Something has been ..ummm.. broken ->> with the last 2 builds of X 4.1.0. I'm not sure why they are building ->> new ones when the Oct 1st builds rock. *shrug* -> ->Cool! Except that I don't have the old rpms anymore. You wouldn't happen to ->have an url where I can grab them would you For 7.2: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/XFree86/XFree86-4.1.0-SuSE.old/suse72/ For 7.3 I would just reinstall the defaults from the CD's...they work. -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" -AE
On Sunday 09 December 2001 02:02, you wrote:
* Anders Johansson (andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net) [011208 16:29]: ->On Saturday 08 December 2001 21.39, Ben Rosenberg wrote: ->> This happened to me a couple days ago..I reverted back to the Oct 1st ->> XFree 4.1.0 RPMs..and all was well. Something has been ..ummm.. broken ->> with the last 2 builds of X 4.1.0. I'm not sure why they are building ->> new ones when the Oct 1st builds rock. *shrug* -> ->Cool! Except that I don't have the old rpms anymore. You wouldn't happen to ->have an url where I can grab them would you
For 7.2:
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/XFree86/XFree86-4.1. 0-SuSE.old/suse72/
For 7.3 I would just reinstall the defaults from the CD's...they work. -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====-----
Did you check for stale symlinks after upgrading?? Copied from the NVidia README: "Problems will arise if applications use the wrong version of a library. This can be the case if there are either old libGL libraries or stale symlinks left lying around. If you think there may be something awry in your installation, check that the following files are in place (these are all the files of the NVIDIA Accelerated Linux Driver Set, plus their symlinks): /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o /usr/X11/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so.x.y.z /usr/X11/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so -> libglx.so.x.y.z /usr/lib/libGL.so.x.y.z /usr/lib/libGL.so.x -> libGL.so.x.y.z /usr/lib/libGL.so -> libGL.so.x /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.x.y.z /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.x -> libGLcore.so.x.y.z /lib/modules/`uname -r`/video/NVdriver, or /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver" Everything seemed to work OK after the installation of the new drivers, but X complained it could't find the right driver for GLX. Executing switch2nvidia_glx resulted in KDE crashing out when you tried to start it Anyway, in my case the "make install" didn't make new symlinks to the new libs. Cheers, Marcel
On Sunday 09 Dec 2001 1:02 am, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Anders Johansson (andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net) [011208 16:29]: ->On Saturday 08 December 2001 21.39, Ben Rosenberg wrote: ->> This happened to me a couple days ago..I reverted back to the Oct 1st ->> XFree 4.1.0 RPMs..and all was well. Something has been ..ummm.. broken ->> with the last 2 builds of X 4.1.0. I'm not sure why they are building ->> new ones when the Oct 1st builds rock. *shrug* -> ->Cool! Except that I don't have the old rpms anymore. You wouldn't happen to ->have an url where I can grab them would you
For 7.2:
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/XFree86/XFree86-4.1.0-SuSE .old/suse72/
For 7.3 I would just reinstall the defaults from the CD's...they work. -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" -AE
Ben, Anders or anyone. I now have a major problem.
I just upgraded to 2.4.7, unfortunately I find that I no longer have the
tarballs for the older 1251 NVidia drivers on my system so I've had to use
the 1541 drivers.
These 1541 drivers are a disaster on my system - I've had 3 hard lockups this
morning, each requiring a powercycle (this is my standalone pc at home so I
can't remote log in and the pseudo-tty switching wouldn't work when it
crashed).
Therefore, I desperately need to get my hands on the tarballs or source rpms
for the 1251 drivers that were standard in 7.2 (and I think 7.1) - the 1541s
were given out by an update.
The problem is that the SuSE site doesn't carry these because of licensing
issues and nvidia.com only carry the latest versions (which are even flakier
than 1251 judging by the forums).
I'd be very grateful for anyone who could help me get my hands on these 1251
drivers as otherwise I will be forced to downgrade to 2.4.4 - which means an
insecure box and a brain-damaged ReiserFS. :-((
Thanks,
--
Tim Harrell
On Sunday 09 Dec 2001 1:05 pm, Tim Harrell wrote:
On Sunday 09 Dec 2001 1:02 am, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Anders Johansson (andjoh@cicada.linux-site.net) [011208 16:29]: ->On Saturday 08 December 2001 21.39, Ben Rosenberg wrote: ->> This happened to me a couple days ago..I reverted back to the Oct 1st ->> XFree 4.1.0 RPMs..and all was well. Something has been ..ummm.. broken ->> with the last 2 builds of X 4.1.0. I'm not sure why they are building ->> new ones when the Oct 1st builds rock. *shrug* -> ->Cool! Except that I don't have the old rpms anymore. You wouldn't happen to ->have an url where I can grab them would you
For 7.2:
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/XFree86/XFree86-4.1.0-Su SE .old/suse72/
For 7.3 I would just reinstall the defaults from the CD's...they work. -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" -AE
Ben, Anders or anyone. I now have a major problem. I just upgraded to 2.4.7, unfortunately I find that I no longer have the tarballs for the older 1251 NVidia drivers on my system so I've had to use the 1541 drivers. These 1541 drivers are a disaster on my system - I've had 3 hard lockups this morning, each requiring a powercycle (this is my standalone pc at home so I can't remote log in and the pseudo-tty switching wouldn't work when it crashed).
Therefore, I desperately need to get my hands on the tarballs or source rpms for the 1251 drivers that were standard in 7.2 (and I think 7.1) - the 1541s were given out by an update. The problem is that the SuSE site doesn't carry these because of licensing issues and nvidia.com only carry the latest versions (which are even flakier than 1251 judging by the forums).
I'd be very grateful for anyone who could help me get my hands on these 1251 drivers as otherwise I will be forced to downgrade to 2.4.4 - which means an insecure box and a brain-damaged ReiserFS. :-((
Thanks,
The problem is that the SuSE site doesn't carry these because of licensing issues and nvidia.com only carry the latest versions (which are even flakier than 1251 judging by the forums).
That should be even flakier than 1541 of course. The 1251 drivers that
originally came with 7.2 are the stable ones I need.
Regards,
--
Tim Harrell
On Sunday 09 December 2001 14.13, Tim Harrell wrote:
That should be even flakier than 1541 of course. The 1251 drivers that originally came with 7.2 are the stable ones I need.
All old nvidia drivers are on their ftp site. You can find 1251 in ftp://ftp.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/english/XFree86_40/1.0-1251 regards Anders
On Sunday 09 Dec 2001 3:12 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Sunday 09 December 2001 14.13, Tim Harrell wrote:
That should be even flakier than 1541 of course. The 1251 drivers that originally came with 7.2 are the stable ones I need.
All old nvidia drivers are on their ftp site. You can find 1251 in
ftp://ftp.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/english/XFree86_40/1.0-1251
regards Anders
Thanks,
I guess I hadn't looked that hard, but it's not easy when your X session
locks up after a couple of minutes!
--
Tim Harrell
Well, what I'm using are the 2313 revision of the drivers/GLX and Hubert's 2.4.16 kernel. I've been using these on both my office and home workstations for since Hubert put up the .16-0 release. It works flawlessly. You have to disable rc.config or any other reference to the switch2* scripts. Once this is done the GLX and kernel module for the 2313 release work like a charm. I was seeing weird VM issues after 2.4.10 until I started using the combination of nVidia's 2313 releases, kernel 2.4.16, KDE 2.2.2 and Mozilla 0.9.6..before this I was having a hell of a lot of trouble with VM. I suspect it was the nVidia kernel module disagreeing with the 2.4.10 VM change. This combination should work quite well. So that's the 2313 release + 2.4.16. Also, just so you know..my office workstation is ReiserFS and it worked fine. :) You just have to make sure that the ReiserFS module is loaded in the initrd :) Cheers! -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal" -AE
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