I tried every conbination everything works 'cept for the above stated. The initial reason I needed a 2.4.17 Kernel was to be able to include pptp filtering in my firewall which only seems to work with this kernel or lower. Anyone with information contrary to this I would love to hear it. Question two is has anyone gotten pptp filtering to work Rowan Reid Job Captain, Systems Administrator STUDIO 3 ARCHITECTS 909 982 1717