[SLE] HTML-editors needed? Check this out
Last couple of weeks I read in this list a lot of questions about good HTML-editors, so i thought i'd give you this link. Unless you're adept at hand-coding HTML or putting up with Netscape Composer's idiosyncrasies, there's a shortage of high-quality, WYSIWYG HTML editors in the Linux software market, but now available in a free beta version a Linux port of TopPage: fully compliant with the W3C standards for HTML 4.0 and CSS (Level 1 and CSS-P) support for scripts,frames, plug-ins, table-of-contents generation, spell checking, grammar checking, PNG graphics, site searching, link views etc. One drawback: TopPage requires Wine http://www.jp.ibm.com/esbu/E/toppage/down_linux_beta.html grtjs, Marcel -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Marcel Broekman wrote:
Last couple of weeks I read in this list a lot of questions about good HTML-editors, so i thought i'd give you this link.
but now available in a free
beta version a Linux port of TopPage: fully compliant with the W3C standards for HTML 4.0 and CSS (Level 1 and CSS-P) support for scripts,frames, plug-ins, table-of-contents generation, spell checking, grammar checking, PNG graphics, site searching, link views etc.
One drawback: TopPage requires Wine
If it requires Wine, then it isn't a native Linux prog, or even a "port". Wine seems to be the way some companies are going to try to "hedge their bets" when it comes to the Linux community. No good for me! Personally, I use Linux because of its' obvious stability and code maturity. Why would I want to "emulate" the very OS that I left in order to gain those benefits? -- Regards Don Hansford ECKYTECH COMPUTING Surfing the Net (without crashing) With SuSE 6.4 Linux (Thanx Linus!) "Microsoft democratised the computer market and served as a catalyst in making computers available to everybody. Later, however, they did as many revolutionaries do -- they became dictators. History has taught us the inevitable fate of dictators." -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
If it requires Wine, then it isn't a native Linux prog, or even a "port". Wine seems to be the way some companies are going to try to "hedge their bets" when it comes to the Linux community. No good for me! Personally, I use Linux because of its' obvious stability and code maturity. Why would I want to "emulate" the very OS that I left in order to gain those benefits?
You're cutting your nose off to spite your face. If a program has been compiled with winelib, then it *is* a native Linux application. The code will be be ANSI C or C++, it will have been compiled on a Linux platform with gcc/g++, and it will have been linked with a GUI library which has been coded by UNIX experts to work with X on UNIX. The design of the GUI API comes from Redmond, but it's still a native Linux application. Winelib is an excellent tool. It doesn't "emulate" anything - WINE stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. Perhaps you should learn your facts before you criticise? I spent some time on the Corel stand at the recent LinuxExpo in London. Apart from an uncomfortable startup time, which they are working on, all their applications work really well. I saw the usual office suite and a beta of CorelDraw-9. These are seriously good programs. I tried hard to crash them but failed. Ventura Publisher will be ready in a few months and that will be pretty unique on Linux too. If we want to see Quicken, Dreamweaver, etc., winelib is the easy, and probably only, way to get them. In general, there's not much wrong with many Windows applications. Some vendor's produce exceptionally high standards of code. The fact it runs on a flakey OS doesn't mean it's a bad application, and there's 0 bytes of that flakey OS code in winelib. Just because you don't like an idea you clearly don't understand doesn't mean you should reject it. And if you do choose to reject it, think before prejudicing others with your uninformed opinions. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Derek Fountain | "Microsoft have performed an IBM Labs, Hursley, UK | illegal operation and will fountai at hursley.ibm.com | be shut down" ---------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
Aye! I whole heartedly agree. It may not be a permanent solution but its great for now. Of course, wine ain't no emulator. regards, Adi Gadwale. On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Derek Fountain wrote:
If it requires Wine, then it isn't a native Linux prog, or even a "port". Wine seems to be the way some companies are going to try to "hedge their bets" when it comes to the Linux community. No good for me! Personally, I use Linux because of its' obvious stability and code maturity. Why would I want to "emulate" the very OS that I left in order to gain those benefits?
You're cutting your nose off to spite your face. If a program has been compiled with winelib, then it *is* a native Linux application. The code will be be ANSI C or C++, it will have been compiled on a Linux platform with gcc/g++, and it will have been linked with a GUI library which has been coded by UNIX experts to work with X on UNIX. The design of the GUI API comes from Redmond, but it's still a native Linux application.
Winelib is an excellent tool. It doesn't "emulate" anything - WINE stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. Perhaps you should learn your facts before you criticise? I spent some time on the Corel stand at the recent LinuxExpo in London. Apart from an uncomfortable startup time, which they are working on, all their applications work really well. I saw the usual office suite and a beta of CorelDraw-9. These are seriously good programs. I tried hard to crash them but failed. Ventura Publisher will be ready in a few months and that will be pretty unique on Linux too. If we want to see Quicken, Dreamweaver, etc., winelib is the easy, and probably only, way to get them.
In general, there's not much wrong with many Windows applications. Some vendor's produce exceptionally high standards of code. The fact it runs on a flakey OS doesn't mean it's a bad application, and there's 0 bytes of that flakey OS code in winelib.
Just because you don't like an idea you clearly don't understand doesn't mean you should reject it. And if you do choose to reject it, think before prejudicing others with your uninformed opinions.
-- ---------------------------------------------------------- Derek Fountain | "Microsoft have performed an IBM Labs, Hursley, UK | illegal operation and will fountai at hursley.ibm.com | be shut down" ----------------------------------------------------------
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HTML editors in the Linux software market, but now available in a free beta version a Linux port of TopPage:
Alas, closed source, which means this is a problem (from the FAQ): Q. Does TopPage for Linux work on X Window with 24-bit color depth? A. After the TopPage beta release, we found a problem when X Window runs at 24-bit or higher color depth on the above supported versions. If you are using this color depth, please change to 16-bit or lower color depth to avoid the problem. Or, please download the latest "Wine for TopPage" -- Kaare Rasmussen --Linux, spil,-- Tlf: 3816 2582 Kaki Data tshirts, merchandize Fax: 3816 2582 Howitzvej 75 Åben 14.00-18.00 Email: kar@webline.dk 2000 Frederiksberg Lørdag 11.00-17.00 Web: www.suse.dk -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
I remember talking to support people for one of my graphics cards and being informed that there really was not much of a difference between 16-bit and 24 bit since the human eye cannot normally identify that many colors anyway. How true is that ? It is not very hard to start x on a different display with a different color depth. Search the list archive for 'quake' for instructions. It would be easier than getting another version of Wine. Scary that they actually have a wine for toppage version of wine. Kindda like the good old days when vendors replaced standard windows dlls for their own versions and broke everything else. regards, Ad Gadwale. On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
HTML editors in the Linux software market, but now available in a free beta version a Linux port of TopPage:
Alas, closed source, which means this is a problem (from the FAQ):
Q. Does TopPage for Linux work on X Window with 24-bit color depth? A. After the TopPage beta release, we found a problem when X Window runs at 24-bit or higher color depth on the above supported versions. If you are using this color depth, please change to 16-bit or lower color depth to avoid the problem. Or, please download the latest "Wine for TopPage"
-- Kaare Rasmussen --Linux, spil,-- Tlf: 3816 2582 Kaki Data tshirts, merchandize Fax: 3816 2582 Howitzvej 75 Åben 14.00-18.00 Email: kar@webline.dk 2000 Frederiksberg Lørdag 11.00-17.00 Web: www.suse.dk
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Adi,
I remember talking to support people for one of my graphics cards and being informed that there really was not much of a difference between 16-bit and 24 bit since the human eye cannot normally identify that many
colors anyway. How true is that ? <<
The typical human eye has very good ability to detect the difference between two adjacent colors but relatively poor ability to tell absolute color values, in the absence of a comparison - "relatively good and absolutely awful?" The best tonal resolution is in green, slightly less in red and worst in blue. Even though the eye can occasionally detect banding in smooth gradient areas, 16-bit color often produces a pleasing result. Until recently, even the most expensive displays exhibited less tonal resolution than the human eye can detect. A few CRT monitors now approach full 8-bit resolution in each of the three RGB components. You can evaluate LCD and CRT displays for tonal resolution at our web site. Follow the link to these subheadings. http://www.wickiup.com/wickiup/display/index.html Display Quality section --> Tonal Resolution See "Electronic Displays" Wiley - Sherr and "The Reproduction of Colour" Fountain Press - R. Hunt for a more detailed discussion. Ed For the HTML police - there is an advantage to using a neutral gray background in this application. It is a more accurate test if your eyes are adapted to a nominal ambient. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
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adi＠gadwale.com -
donh＠halenet.com.au -
edscott＠worldnet.att.net -
fountai＠hursley.ibm.com -
kar＠webline.dk -
marcelbr＠zap.a2000.nl