Quoting David C. Rankin :

On 05/16/2019 05:57 PM, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:

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Anyone know of a way to force Thunderbird to use ASCII only for outgoing e-mails? I'm trying to get rid of the hard-space (0xA0) for the first of two spaces after a period. Some e-mail and maybe mail servers don't handle it well. It is replaced by two question marks on the other end.

I've used the config editor to set mailnews.send_default_charset to ASCII (ends up 8bit in e-mail header) and 7bit. Neither works.

Yep,

Edit->Account Settings->Composition & Addressing -- then uncheck:

[ ]Compose messages in HTML format

This works. Thank you, Jeffrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 17/05/2019 00.57, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:

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Anyone know of a way to force Thunderbird to use ASCII only for outgoing e-mails? I'm trying to get rid of the hard-space (0xA0) for the first of two spaces after a period. Some e-mail and maybe mail servers don't handle it well. It is replaced by two question marks on the other end.

I've used the config editor to set mailnews.send_default_charset to ASCII (ends up 8bit in e-mail header) and 7bit. Neither works.

No, using ASCII is not related to having hard space or not (flowed text). I believe it is a standard, the servers must comply with it. Change servers.

A mail server is not obliged to handle anything more than 7bit, but I don't know any that only works with 7bit. I guess hard space is an nbsp ? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.0°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Quoting Carlos E. R. :

On 17/05/2019 00.57, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:

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Anyone know of a way to force Thunderbird to use ASCII only for outgoing e-mails? I'm trying to get rid of the hard-space (0xA0) for the first of two spaces after a period. Some e-mail and maybe mail servers don't handle it well. It is replaced by two question marks on the other end.

I've used the config editor to set mailnews.send_default_charset to ASCII (ends up 8bit in e-mail header) and 7bit. Neither works.

No, using ASCII is not related to having hard space or not (flowed text). I believe it is a standard, the servers must comply with it. Change servers.

Changing every SMTP server between me and all recipients is not under my control. Sorry, Jeffrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 17/05/2019 19.15, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:

Quoting Carlos E. R. :

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On 17/05/2019 00.57, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:

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Anyone know of a way to force Thunderbird to use ASCII only for outgoing e-mails? I'm trying to get rid of the hard-space (0xA0) for the first of two spaces after a period. Some e-mail and maybe mail servers don't handle it well. It is replaced by two question marks on the other end.

I've used the config editor to set mailnews.send_default_charset to ASCII (ends up 8bit in e-mail header) and 7bit. Neither works.

No, using ASCII is not related to having hard space or not (flowed text). I believe it is a standard, the servers must comply with it. Change servers.

Hard space character (0xA0) is not ASCII.

ASCII like seven bits? Because strictly speaking, ascii ends at 0x3F, but any 8 bit charset in use this side of the century ends at 0xFF. Man iso_8859-1 shows: Oct Dec Hex Char Description ─────────────────────────────────────── 240 160 A0   NO-BREAK SPACE So that's a perfectly legal character in 8 bit text. Since 1984 I have not seen anyone use 7 bit ascii. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 17/05/2019 20.36, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:

Quoting Carlos E. R. <>:

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On 17/05/2019 19.15, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:

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So that's a perfectly legal character in 8 bit text.

Unfortunately, not all e-mail clients are up on 8bit charsets. The hard space is showing up on non-technical correspondents on both MacOS and Windows. It is doubtful that they have changed from the defaults.

Try to send a sample here, because I simply can not imagine the problem. I use both Thunderbird and Alpine. I live in a country where using 7 bit text is plainly impossible. Possibly illegal. Meaning that you can not sell software to the administration that doesn't handle 8 bit correctly. How else can you spell the name of a person such as Núñez or Rodríguez? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 17/05/2019 21.09, jdd@dodin.org wrote:

Le 17/05/2019 à 20:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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spell the name of a person such as Núñez or Rodríguez?

until recently how these people could have they own domain name?

They could not. Printing was an issue on text only printer (like supermarket receipts): you have to choose carefully the charset of the printer and the application. But I have a feeling that the problem is not generated by email, but by other applications, like Tex or LO. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Le 18/05/2019 à 09:32, Per Jessen a écrit :

jdd@dodin.org wrote:

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Le 17/05/2019 à 20:49, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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spell the name of a person such as Núñez or Rodríguez?

until recently how these people could have they own domain name?

"recently" ? IDNs have been around for at least 10 years, maybe 15 ?

but recently accented letters where accepted jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 5/18/19 12:38 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

In 2005, I registered "ënidan.ch":

?? : google : ënidan = Uzbek --> "next to" .....  regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 18/05/2019 06:08, Per Jessen wrote:

ellanios82 wrote:

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On 5/18/19 12:38 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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In 2005, I registered "ënidan.ch":

?? : google :

ënidan = Uzbek --> "next to"

Hah, really?? I had no idea. I just needed an internationalised domain for testing.

ROTFLMAO! Picking a random word with random accenting is a high risk incident. it has a high risk of having some meaning in some language somewhere, and that meaning is probably rude or obscene. Stick with languages you know! -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 05/18/2019 01:15 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

"ENIDAN Technologies"

Big or little?  ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 18/05/2019 12.08, Per Jessen wrote:

ellanios82 wrote:

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On 5/18/19 12:38 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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In 2005, I registered "ënidan.ch":

That's recent :-D

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?? : google :

ënidan = Uzbek --> "next to"

Hah, really?? I had no idea. I just needed an internationalised domain for testing.

:-) Google finds: ënidan.ch/ - Traducir esta página No hay información disponible sobre esta página. Averiguar por qué (No information is available on this page. Find out why) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 18/05/2019 19.18, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 18/05/2019 12.08, Per Jessen wrote:

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ellanios82 wrote:

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On 5/18/19 12:38 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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In 2005, I registered "ënidan.ch":

That's recent :-D

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?? : google :

ënidan = Uzbek --> "next to"

Hah, really?? I had no idea. I just needed an internationalised domain for testing.

:-)

Google finds:

ënidan.ch/ - Traducir esta página No hay información disponible sobre esta página. Averiguar por qué

Yes, there is no page - I needed a name for testing email and presentation.

Yes, google found some of those posts ;-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Le 18/05/2019 à 12:05, Per Jessen a écrit :

Ah, I forgot - the available characters depend on the registrar of course - for .ch, the support started 1 March 2004, see attached. Still, núñez.com or rodríguez.com have surely been available since the beginning?

only from 2012 in france jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 18/05/2019 18.20, Per Jessen wrote:

jdd@dodin.org wrote:

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Le 18/05/2019 à 12:05, Per Jessen a écrit :

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Ah, I forgot - the available characters depend on the registrar of course - for .ch, the support started 1 March 2004, see attached. Still, núñez.com or rodríguez.com have surely been available since the beginning?

only from 2012 in france

Aha, I was not aware of that. Wow, that is _very_ late. Now I understand your "recently".

Googling in Spanish, I see an article discouraging the use of such letters in domain names, posted this January. https://confrontador.com/comprar-dominio-web/dominio-con-n/ «Domains with Ñ: Why they are not recommended» reasoning: «For tastes colors, but personally I would never register a domain with ñ or tilde for the simple reason that the visits we receive are not always from Spanish-speaking countries, and as I suppose you know not all keyboards have the letter Ñ. It will be difficult for a person with an English keyboard to enter a Web site with ñ unless they follow a link. Would it be easy for you to enter a domain with Chinese letters?» Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator A registering place says: https://www.registrodominios.com/dudas-dominios/dominios-con-acentos «Look out! Look out! It is not possible to use multilingual domains, with eñe or with email accents. It is now possible to register .es domains with accented characters. This type of accented domains could already be registered previously in the case of top level domains, .com, .net and .org. Now, as of November 5, 2007, it is the turn of .es domains, it is now possible to register a .es domain with accents. In this way, a more correct use of the Spanish language is promoted, since the visitors of our pages will be able to type in their browsers the domains with the correct spelling. This is the list of characters that can now be used: "á", "à", "é", "è", "í", "ì", "ó", "ò", "ú", "ü", "ñ", "Ç" and "l-l".» Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator Look at the first sentence: "It is not possible to use multilingual domains, with eñe or with email accents". Maybe obsolete? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Per Jessen wrote:

Still, núñez.com or rodríguez.com have surely been available since the beginning?

"available" = "technically possible to register". They are in fact both registered - xn--nez-7ma8b.com - since 2013 xn--rodrguez-f2a.com = since 2015. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.2°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 18 May 2019 13:35:55 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

On 18/05/2019 12.12, Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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Still, núñez.com or rodríguez.com have surely been available since the beginning?

"available" = "technically possible to register". They are in fact both registered -

xn--nez-7ma8b.com - since 2013

For sale. Parked, google says.

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xn--rodrguez-f2a.com = since 2015.

Parked for sure.

See the wikipedia itself, there is no "nuñez". It is "Nunez":

There is Núñez: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BA%C3%B1ez though it does redirect to the page you mention:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunez

Not the domain name, but a page under it. The Spanish wikipedia does have it:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BA%C3%B1ez

so the support exists.

Well, that's the same as the English language version. The domain is USASCII but the path is internationalized.

Although, interestingly, the English article does not link to the Spanish article, nor the reverse.

Are there any cross-links between the different language editions anywhere? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 18/05/2019 12.12, Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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Still, núñez.com or rodríguez.com have surely been available since the beginning?

"available" = "technically possible to register". They are in fact both registered -

xn--nez-7ma8b.com - since 2013

For sale. Parked, google says.

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xn--rodrguez-f2a.com = since 2015.

Parked for sure.

See the wikipedia itself, there is no "nuñez". It is "Nunez":

It matters not - domain names are not case-sensitive :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunez

Not the domain name, but a page under it. The Spanish wikipedia does have it:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BA%C3%B1ez

so the support exists.

Which support do you mean?

Although, interestingly, the English article does not link to the Spanish article, nor the reverse.

They rarely do. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.6°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 18/05/2019 18.18, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 18/05/2019 12.12, Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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Still, núñez.com or rodríguez.com have surely been available since the beginning?

"available" = "technically possible to register". They are in fact both registered -

xn--nez-7ma8b.com - since 2013

For sale. Parked, google says.

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xn--rodrguez-f2a.com = since 2015.

Parked for sure.

See the wikipedia itself, there is no "nuñez". It is "Nunez":

It matters not - domain names are not case-sensitive :-)

It is not the case, it is about the "ñ" letter, not an "n". Perhaps you don't see it in your display? It is an "n" with an "~" over it.

Sorry, I do see it - I focused on the capital N.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunez

Not the domain name, but a page under it. The Spanish wikipedia does have it:

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BA%C3%B1ez

so the support exists.

Which support do you mean?

The support in Wikipedia to have articles with "ñ" on it.

Ah, okay. That has been there forever. Wikipedia would never have spread to other languages without it. Not very related to $SUBJ ?

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Although, interestingly, the English article does not link to the Spanish article, nor the reverse.

They rarely do.

On the contrary, most do. I use that trick to find the proper translation of some words.

Really? I frequently read German and English articles in Wikipedia, often on the same topic because they quite often vary a lot, I don't recall ever seeing one linking to the other. Anyway, way offtopic here. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.4°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org