[opensuse] Suse 12.2 and Windows 7 (again) won't dual boot HP laptop
I've just spent an enormous time, again, trying to get my HP laptop to dual boot. I have created partitions. I "fixed" Windows after using gparted to create the partition spaces so that it boots. I used the Windows partition format and sizing tool to create partitions that the Suse install could see and use. The Suse install appeared to run fine, except a bunch of errors at the end that all seemed to be erroneous and ignorable (like "modprobe hid_generic not found"). Then, of course the laptop won't reboot, but there is where all of the "help" sites I found online go in different directions. Of course, the Windows "fix" disk I created gets Windows running again, but absolutely nothing I try, like running "boot_fix" works. I can't really make boot_fix work because I can't get it connected to the internet. I've looked at a lot of searches and this seems to be a pretty common problem, that some "gifted" people get through, and leaves everyone else thinking there is no help out there. I've been through the Suse archives. I would think there should be some sort of document somewhere that adequately addresses this problem, it's been around since the early 11.x releases. Any help? Thanks, Jim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/20/2012 06:53 PM, Jim Sabatke wrote:
trying to get my HP laptop to dual boot
- maybe best install openSuSE with VirtualBox, and then run Windows on VirtualBox ............ best regards Ellan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
It would appear that on Oct 20, ellanios82 did say:
On 10/20/2012 06:53 PM, Jim Sabatke wrote:
trying to get my HP laptop to dual boot
- maybe best install openSuSE with VirtualBox, and then run Windows on VirtualBox
I'm a multi-booter. I've never used VirtualBox, so I don't know if that would require that the OP had an actual installation disk for his Windows 7 in order to install it to the VirtualBox???? -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <?> <?> | ^ JtWdyP | \___/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/21/2012 06:29 AM, JtWdyP wrote:
I've never used VirtualBox, so I don't know if that would require that the OP had an actual installation disk for his Windows 7 in order to install it to the VirtualBox???? ...............
- it is several years since last touching windows . . . memory is uncertain : but, Yes, one would need windows installation disk to get started : unless one had a saved virtual-windows-machine : saved virtual-windows-machine , i imagine, ought to be technically, though not legally, totally portable. - virtual machines, i suspect, are wonderful for backups by instant snapshots : if any probs arise, one can immediately go back to a previous saved snapshot. - if i recall, it is terrific to be able to copy and paste between windows & linux : - if i recall, it is terrific to be able to move files between the two systems, via 'shared-files' : a wormhole between two universes ....................... best regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
It would appear that on Oct 21, ellanios82 did say:
- it is several years since last touching windows . . . memory is uncertain : but, Yes, one would need windows installation disk to get started : unless one had a saved virtual-windows-machine : saved virtual-windows-machine , i imagine, ought to be technically, though not legally, totally portable. - virtual machines, i suspect, are wonderful for backups by instant snapshots : if any probs arise, one can immediately go back to a previous saved snapshot.
Sounds nice. But of course I imagine each snapshot would probably require nearly as much room on some harddrive as a compressed tarball of an actual windows installation??
- if i recall, it is terrific to be able to copy and paste between windows & linux : - if i recall, it is terrific to be able to move files between the two systems, via 'shared-files' : a wormhole between two universes
Kind of like the way a multi-booter might like to keep an vfat partition around. IE Windows: Word: "D:\shareddoc.doc" Linux: LibreOffice: "/mnt/sharedoc.doc" ??? Except that you shouldn't need to reboot... !!! Which sounds interesting. How hard is it to get Virtualbox up & running? How demanding is it on PC resources? I mean if it was installed on an older slower machine with only a modest amount of ram, wouldn't the virtual windows machine wind up running significantly slower {if at all} than a native version of windows that didn't share resources with a running Linux installation??? -- | ^^^ ^^^ | <o> <o> | ^ JtWdyP | ___ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
JtWdyP said the following on 10/21/2012 12:49 PM:
Sounds nice. But of course I imagine each snapshot would probably require nearly as much room on some harddrive as a compressed tarball of an actual windows installation??
Ah. Now you know where that figure of 50Terabytes of new storage being consumed each day comes from :-) -- There are two rules for success in life: Rule 1: Don't tell people everything you know. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/21/2012 12:49 PM, JtWdyP wrote: /snip/ Another poster to this thread pointed out that you have to have a partition you can put Linux n.
- if i recall, it is terrific to be able to copy and paste between windows & linux : - if i recall, it is terrific to be able to move files between the two systems, via 'shared-files' : a wormhole between two universes Kind of like the way a multi-booter might like to keep an vfat partition around. IE Windows: Word: "D:\shareddoc.doc" Linux: LibreOffice: "/mnt/sharedoc.doc" ???
Except that you shouldn't need to reboot... !!!
Which sounds interesting. You can cut & paste Linux to/from Windows *from Linux* without difficulty. Using a file manager like Dolphin or Konqueror, you can open your Windows partition and move files in either direction. I don't know a way of doing that from the Windows side.
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Doug wrote:
You can cut & paste Linux to/from Windows *from Linux* without difficulty. Using a file manager like Dolphin or Konqueror, you can open your Windows partition and move files in either direction. I don't know a way of doing that from the Windows side.
I have my ThinkPad set up mount my "My Documents" folder as read/write. There are a couple of ways of accessing Linux files from Windows. One way is to create a FAT32 partition, which both can access or add Linux file system support to Windows. There was one installable file system, ext2ifs, that added ext2/3 support, but it doesn't work properly with Windows 7. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Von: Jim Sabatke
Gesendet: 17:53 Samstag, 20.Oktober 2012 Betreff: [opensuse] Suse 12.2 and Windows 7 (again) won't dual boot HP laptop I've just spent an enormous time, again, trying to get my HP laptop to dual boot. I have created partitions. I "fixed" Windows after using gparted to create the partition spaces so that it boots.
Why don't you just install Windows 7 first and let SuSE 12.2 decide afterwards how to handle the partitions and Windows 7 with dual boot? I never used gparted to partition a dual boot system from the beginning. I only used it to migrate a dual boot system to a larger harddisc and I remember that this was not easy. First when I install Windows 7 I allow it to only use a certain smaller part of the complete harddisc/ssd space. When Windows 7 is completely installed, I reboot and install SuSE most of the time from a DVD and let it use the larger rest of the HDD/SSD. SuSE uses the rest of the harddisc accordingly and installs the corresponding dual boot (e.g. via GRUB). Maybe gparted and the Windows-fixed is the problem in your case. Regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
It would appear that on Oct 20, Jim Sabatke did say:
I've just spent an enormous time, again, trying to get my HP laptop to dual boot. I have created partitions. I "fixed" Windows after using gparted to create the partition spaces so that it boots. I used the Windows partition format and sizing tool to create partitions that the Suse install could see and use.
That might have been part of the problem... Last I knew it wasn't a good idea to use windows tools to create partitions for Linux. I've never had problems resizing a vista partition with gparted. But that to, could have been part of the problem. I've been googling and I came across some articles that don't think it's wise to use a non-windows tool to resize a windows 7 partition. I do wish I'd found that before my first reply. Because I know I said I'd use gparted... What I perhaps should have added was that no matter which tool I used to shrink the windows partition with, I'd have thought about backing up my stuff (probably with clonezilla) first. I'm sorry I didn't think to mention that step. If I had to use the Windows partition sizing tool it would only have been to shrink the windows partition, leaving the empty space as unallocated "free spaced". Then I'd use a Linux tool to create the Linux partitions in the free space. For example the partitioning tool the Linux installer uses if you select the custom {user defined} partition usage option during the install should work more reliably for this than a Windows based tool. Or, assuming you left the new empty space as unallocated free space I'd look for an installer option to install to the free space, allowing it to create whatever partitions it wanted to {within the free space...}
The Suse install appeared to run fine, except a bunch of errors at the end that all seemed to be erroneous and ignorable (like "modprobe hid_generic not found").
That sounds like the OpenSuSE install wasn't completely successful. Which could be a problem because the MBR (master boot record) most likely now points to the grub or grub2 files that should have been installed to /boot & /boot/grub on your new Linux filesystem. And if the installer was having errors it might not have done that properly. Which could result in an unbootable system.
Then, of course the laptop won't reboot, but there is where all of the "help" sites I found online go in different directions. Of course, the Windows "fix" disk I created gets Windows running again, but absolutely nothing I try, like running "boot_fix" works. I can't really make boot_fix work because I can't get it connected to the internet.
OK So you got windows running again. But the "fix" disk didn't do a good enough job for it to connect to the internet. Is that right?? Well a lot would depend on what you mean by a "fix" disk. It might be that it restored windows to a state before you configured your Internet access??
I've looked at a lot of searches and this seems to be a pretty common problem, that some "gifted" people get through, and leaves everyone else thinking there is no help out there.
Well I'm not so sure I'm exactly "gifted". I know that getting a new PC set up to duel boot any version of Linux AND windows is something I find easier to do than to explain. And I suspect that at least some of the truly gifted people who truly know what they are doing forget how hard the documentation can be for the un-initiated to understand. And it's likely that many of them tossed windows off their systems before they ever got to find out what new devilry MS cooked up for Windows 7 that makes it hard for people to multi-boot with it. And likely some of them have been busy figuring out how to deal with the "UEFI Secure Boot" that Microsoft wants to be enabled on Windows 8 machines... I hate to recommend trashing an existing install. But if you can still boot windows 7, but can't get OpenSuSE to run, Then perhaps the best course is to assume that the installation failed. If you can still run Windows 7's partition format and sizing tool, then you might try using it to return the Linux space to unallocated free space. (Warning: This would destroy the files that grub needs to boot anything with. But the next step I'd recommend should fix that.) Once that's done you can try the OpenSuSE installation disk again. Only this time use it's partitioning tool to create the Linux partition(s) from the unallocated free space. You need at least one Linux partition for which you need to make sure the installer plans to use "/" as a mount point. And it's also a good idea to devote some space for a swap partition. I'm not the guy to ask how big a swap you need however. Perhaps someone else will explain that part... If you can't make the installer's partitioning tool work for you then: While the hard drive space you intend to install to is in an unallocated "free space" state you can look for an installer option to just use the free space and let the installer decide how to configure the new partitions. Hopefully when you try to install to Linux partitions that were created with Linux tools the installation itself will complete without error resulting in a fully functional grub boot capable of booting Linux and chainloading the windows 7 loader on /dev/sda1... Best of luck to you -- | ~^~ ~^~ | <*> <*> | ^ JtWdyP | \___/ << there's nothing like an idiot who thinks he knows everything, of >> << course, if I actually knew everything, I'd know I was an idiot. >> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 10:53:13 -0500
Jim Sabatke
I've been through the Suse archives.
I would think there should be some sort of document somewhere that adequately addresses this problem, it's been around since the early 11.x releases.
In recent years there was no problems as long as user did not ignore instructions given by YaST Installer, so docs are a bit rusty. Now with rise of UEFI we will have some fun again and update docs at: http://doc.opensuse.org and http://en.opensuse.org Other gave you advice, but let me reiterate. - Resize windows volume and partition using windows native tools. This is 2 stage operation that windows native tool will do both at once, just tell how much room you need and it will be done. I used it since it was recommended and had no problems, beside it will not give up more then about one half of the disk :) Windows tend to keep unmovable files somewhere in the middle of the disk, which has some technical merits that benefit their users. Felix explained what to do to go around this, and shrink partition more. - Install. Following advices around the web, can be misleading. My favorite is information that boot record is 446 bytes large. SUSE engineers found out that starting with Vista you can change only 440 bytes. Use old value of 446, and your windows will not boot anymore. Use some old program that still operates with 446, and your windows is doomed. If you need more details then post the result of: fdisk -l Post what you see when computer boots? What happens when you start windows? It should not take a lot of lines to describe exactly what you see. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Anton Aylward
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Doug
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ellanios82
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James Knott
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Jim Sabatke
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JtWdyP
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Peter Maffter
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Rajko