[SLE] OK Let's start a "gosh darn it" list for V7
Every time a new releas of SuSE comes out we enevitably find a few nasty "features". Well I just go my SuSE 7, and I've hit my share of interesting "features". I did a Tabular Rassa (sp) with the reiser fs, and an "almost everything." Considdering I put about 6 Gig on this HD, I guess I sould be impressed with the number of things that went right. I then applied all the latest patched from the FTP server, to include the XF86-4.0.1. We as humans tend to focus on the things that go wrong, espescially if we don't know how to fix them. With that said, here goes: A) ALSA failed B) Netscape crashed every time I put the cursor in the location field and hit the any key. C) Apache won't serve - many problems D) no way - that I found - to set my mouse to Emulate3Buttons in Yast 1 or 2, or SaX2 E) jpegs were broken Alsa found my soundcard, but screwed up the configuration. 1) it said my CD-ROM was disabled - using yast2 2) It was able to generate sound when setting up the volume 3) when I restarted the system I got these messages: "Sep 15 22:45:16 linux kernel: isapnp: Card 'AZT1008 PnP SOUND DEVICE' Sep 15 22:45:16 linux kernel: isapnp: 1 Plug & Play card detected total Sep 15 22:45:16 linux kernel: snd: card-azt2320.c: MPU-401 isapnp configure failure Sep 15 22:45:17 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module snd-card-1 Sep 15 22:45:17 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module snd-card-1 Sep 15 22:45:17 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module snd-card-2" 4) I removed everything Alsa related and installed trusty old oss from 4front. 5) Currently rockin' out to early Jethro Tull :-) Netscape crashed when attmpting to enter a URL. 1)removed Netscape rpm 2) intalled Netscape form home.netscape.com 3) I haven't tested it. but I expect none of my plugnins work. 4) believe these problems arise from the XF86 upgrad No way to Emulate3Buttons except by hand. 1) I forgot to back up my old XF86Config. 2) ran xf86config and chose the emulate 3 buttons option 3) saved to the current directory - answered 'no' to save to /etc/X11 and 'no' to save to /usr/X11R6/bin, then 'yes' to save in this directory. 4) copied the relevant line from the new XF86Config - Option "Emulate3Buttons" to the /etc/X11/XF86Config 5) all is well Apache starts but won't serve - telnet localhost 80 ... connection refused - ps shows httpd: 1) still working on this one 2) It seems as if there are multiple problems with this. Errors in /var/log/httpd/error_log )a [Sat Sep 16 08:02:48 2000] [notice] backhand_init(472) spawning stats things (PID 505) [Sat Sep 16 08:02:48 2000] [alert] setuid: trying to ste it to 30 [Sat Sep 16 08:02:48 2000] [error] (13)Permission denied: serv_listen: listen on unix domain socket b) Can't find class org.apache.jserv.JServ c) this is recorded in the /var/log/httpd/mod_jserv.log: CLASSPATH=/usr/lib/apache/ApacheJServ.jar:/usr/lib/JSDK2.0/lib/jsdk.jar d) /usr/lib/JSDK2.0 is an empty directory. I don't believe the jsdk is in the SuSE distribution, unless it is part of JDK 1.3. d) [Sat Sep 16 08:02:49 2000] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/sbin/suexec) [Sat Sep 16 08:02:49 2000] [notice] child pid 505 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [Sat Sep 16 08:02:49 2000] [crit] Midgard: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (111) e) I noticed mysql didn't start when yast 1 attempted to start it. I think there's a problem with that as well. Jpegs were broken. 1) this may have been due to my having installed the KDE2-Beta5 rpms and then alowing Yast to put qtaddon back. I've seen this when I compiled the KDE with the wrong libjpeg.* 2) reapplied the kde2support rpm. - I noticed this is newer than the other files. The old support rpm may have had a problem. It's all so confusing. I may have hit more problems, but I don't remember. Steve -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hi Steven et al! I gave up. In SuSE 6.3, I had a very hard time time to get my Woodoo 3000 AGP to work properly. In 7.0 it's even worse. I can't select 1024x768 despite trying Yast2, sax and sax2. I erased all of it and reinstalled 6.4 and now I'm selecting what I need in small chuncks from the 7.0 DVD-ROM. The books, however, are nice. Surely, the functionality of books is easier to evaluate than proggies. The install process of 7.0 started as usually with 'Have a lot of fun'. Perhaps 'fun' should've been replaced by 'experience'. Cheers, Niels "Steven T. Hatton" wrote:
Every time a new releas of SuSE comes out we enevitably find a few nasty "features". Well I just go my SuSE 7, and I've hit my share of interesting "features". I did a Tabular Rassa (sp) with the reiser fs, and an "almost everything." Considdering I put about 6 Gig on this HD, I guess I sould be impressed with the number of things that went right. I then applied all the latest patched from the FTP server, to include the XF86-4.0.1.
We as humans tend to focus on the things that go wrong, espescially if we don't know how to fix them. With that said, here goes:
A) ALSA failed B) Netscape crashed every time I put the cursor in the location field and hit the any key. C) Apache won't serve - many problems D) no way - that I found - to set my mouse to Emulate3Buttons in Yast 1 or 2, or SaX2 E) jpegs were broken
Alsa found my soundcard, but screwed up the configuration. 1) it said my CD-ROM was disabled - using yast2 2) It was able to generate sound when setting up the volume 3) when I restarted the system I got these messages:
"Sep 15 22:45:16 linux kernel: isapnp: Card 'AZT1008 PnP SOUND DEVICE' Sep 15 22:45:16 linux kernel: isapnp: 1 Plug & Play card detected total Sep 15 22:45:16 linux kernel: snd: card-azt2320.c: MPU-401 isapnp configure failure Sep 15 22:45:17 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module snd-card-1 Sep 15 22:45:17 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module snd-card-1 Sep 15 22:45:17 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module snd-card-2"
4) I removed everything Alsa related and installed trusty old oss from 4front. 5) Currently rockin' out to early Jethro Tull :-)
Netscape crashed when attmpting to enter a URL. 1)removed Netscape rpm 2) intalled Netscape form home.netscape.com 3) I haven't tested it. but I expect none of my plugnins work. 4) believe these problems arise from the XF86 upgrad
No way to Emulate3Buttons except by hand. 1) I forgot to back up my old XF86Config. 2) ran xf86config and chose the emulate 3 buttons option 3) saved to the current directory - answered 'no' to save to /etc/X11 and 'no' to save to /usr/X11R6/bin, then 'yes' to save in this directory. 4) copied the relevant line from the new XF86Config - Option "Emulate3Buttons" to the /etc/X11/XF86Config 5) all is well
Apache starts but won't serve - telnet localhost 80 ... connection refused - ps shows httpd: 1) still working on this one 2) It seems as if there are multiple problems with this. Errors in /var/log/httpd/error_log )a [Sat Sep 16 08:02:48 2000] [notice] backhand_init(472) spawning stats things (PID 505) [Sat Sep 16 08:02:48 2000] [alert] setuid: trying to ste it to 30 [Sat Sep 16 08:02:48 2000] [error] (13)Permission denied: serv_listen: listen on unix domain socket
b) Can't find class org.apache.jserv.JServ c) this is recorded in the /var/log/httpd/mod_jserv.log: CLASSPATH=/usr/lib/apache/ApacheJServ.jar:/usr/lib/JSDK2.0/lib/jsdk.jar d) /usr/lib/JSDK2.0 is an empty directory. I don't believe the jsdk is in the SuSE distribution, unless it is part of JDK 1.3.
d) [Sat Sep 16 08:02:49 2000] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/sbin/suexec) [Sat Sep 16 08:02:49 2000] [notice] child pid 505 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) [Sat Sep 16 08:02:49 2000] [crit] Midgard: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (111) e) I noticed mysql didn't start when yast 1 attempted to start it. I think there's a problem with that as well.
Jpegs were broken. 1) this may have been due to my having installed the KDE2-Beta5 rpms and then alowing Yast to put qtaddon back. I've seen this when I compiled the KDE with the wrong libjpeg.* 2) reapplied the kde2support rpm. - I noticed this is newer than the other files. The old support rpm may have had a problem.
It's all so confusing. I may have hit more problems, but I don't remember.
Steve
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Hi everybody, well this always happens on updates. ;-/ I've got no problems on netscape -just using it- (Oh, yes, I had to find that sript calling netscape to turn that crappy german version off, but that's not SuSE related) and Alsa works perfect with my SB live. I didn't get sendmail to work, I get "550 connection refused" if I try to do anything with it i.e. telneting to port 25 on localhost. The version from 6.4 that I fell back to works still nice. The support request is out. I couldn't print from the shell "man man|lpr" as long as it's text. Everything else works. Support hinted to reinstall the printing system (lpr, a2ps, apsfilter, ghostscript) that didn't solve it (yet). Currently I am using all the new stuff but the old apsfilter from 6.4 and everything is fine. Final words from support expected on monday. ;-) Third, I broke my scanner. Scanning looked better than with 6.4, when I made the "final" scan, I had left the room and after recognising what the sound meant I heared from the distance it was to late. I repaired it, nice work I do not want to do a second time -but that's a known risk with mustek's-. I found the line in the mustek.c source that holds the x-max value changed it and recompiled sane, but do not know which files to replace. That's out to support as well. I do not blame SuSE for this, it's a risk that we have until we get drivers from the original manufactors. Juergen Niels Stenhøj wrote:
Hi Steven et al!
I gave up. In SuSE 6.3, I had a very hard time time to get my Woodoo 3000 AGP to work properly. In 7.0 it's even worse. I can't select 1024x768 despite trying Yast2, sax and sax2.
I erased all of it and reinstalled 6.4 and now I'm selecting what I need in small chuncks from the 7.0 DVD-ROM.
The books, however, are nice. Surely, the functionality of books is easier to evaluate than proggies. The install process of 7.0 started as usually with 'Have a lot of fun'. Perhaps 'fun' should've been replaced by 'experience'.
Cheers,
Niels
"Steven T. Hatton" wrote:
Every time a new releas of SuSE comes out we enevitably find a few nasty "features". Well I just go my SuSE 7, and I've hit my share of interesting "features". I did a Tabular Rassa (sp) with the reiser fs, and an "almost everything." Considdering I put about 6 Gig on this HD, I guess I sould be impressed with the number of things that went right. I then applied all the latest patched from the FTP server, to include the XF86-4.0.1.
We as humans tend to focus on the things that go wrong, espescially if we don't know how to fix them. With that said, here goes:
A) ALSA failed B) Netscape crashed every time I put the cursor in the location field and hit the any key. C) Apache won't serve - many problems D) no way - that I found - to set my mouse to Emulate3Buttons in Yast 1 or 2, or SaX2 E) jpegs were broken
Alsa found my soundcard, but screwed up the configuration. 1) it said my CD-ROM was disabled - using yast2 2) It was able to generate sound when setting up the volume 3) when I restarted the system I got these messages:
"Sep 15 22:45:16 linux kernel: isapnp: Card 'AZT1008 PnP SOUND DEVICE' Sep 15 22:45:16 linux kernel: isapnp: 1 Plug & Play card detected total Sep 15 22:45:16 linux kernel: snd: card-azt2320.c: MPU-401 isapnp configure failure Sep 15 22:45:17 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module snd-card-1 Sep 15 22:45:17 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module snd-card-1 Sep 15 22:45:17 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module snd-card-2"
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Niels Stenhøj wrote:
Hi Steven et al!
I gave up. In SuSE 6.3, I had a very hard time time to get my Woodoo 3000 AGP to work properly. In 7.0 it's even worse. I can't select 1024x768 despite trying Yast2, sax and sax2.
I erased all of it and reinstalled 6.4 and now I'm selecting what I need in small chuncks from the 7.0 DVD-ROM.
The books, however, are nice. Surely, the functionality of books is easier to evaluate than proggies. The install process of 7.0 started as usually with 'Have a lot of fun'. Perhaps 'fun' should've been replaced by 'experience'.
Cheers,
Niels
Niels, If you install the XF86-3.x you should be able to use you old XF86Config with v7. It looks as though both servers shipped with v7. You may also want to attempt using xf86config. It's not all *that* bad. I had to use it at home to get my ATI Rage128 to setup with 6.4 and XF86-4.0.1. One helpful bit of info is that you can keep going if you miss your video card in the list, it wraps back to #1 eventually. I guess it really depends on how much *fun* you are willing to put up with. If I though about this realistically, I would probably not be doing this right now. Perhaps one day I will gain a clue as to how to work with this stuff. Unix/Linux is a huge, and growing world. It cries out for better configuration methods. Good luck, Steve -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
There is another issue. Yast can only write LiLo to /dev/hda or /dev/sda. I use a Promise Ultra66 card by which the HD is assigned to /dev/hde. I clearly see the idea, but it's wrong. This is certainly more Winblows than Winblows itself. In DOS you can select frely where to assign your bootloader. Many choose to unmount a HD in the BIOS menu to allow another system to boot. If for good reason you have chosen to run Linux from /dev/hdb by setting the primary master to 'none' you are lost because of yast's inability to write LiLo to the MBR of /dev/hdb If anyone knows a workaround to write LiLo to /dev/hde, I'll be gratefull. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Niels -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Niels Stenhøj wrote:
If anyone knows a workaround to write LiLo to /dev/hde, I'll be gratefull. Thanks in advance.
On console two you'll find a shell during the installation. Use CTRL+ALT+F2 from yast2. When all packages have been installed you can do a 'chroot /mnt' and you're in the newly installed system. Edit /etc/lilo.conf and run 'lilo'. Done. Actually, you may want to configure lilo.conf with yast2 anyway, and then edit it afterwards for 'hde'. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
* Steven T. Hatton (hattons@bellatlantic.net) [000916 06:51]: -->and an "almost everything." Considdering I put about 6 Gig on this HD, Installing "almost everything" is always a bad idea. It installs a great many things you will most likely never use and services that you won't use..and to keep track of all of that is a pain and a security risk. Install the software you are going to use ... -->A) ALSA failed I have had no issues w/ the 4 different cards I have setup using alsa, so I would look at the hardware/software configurations of your machine. -->B) Netscape crashed every time I put the cursor in the location field -->and hit the any key. It is in the readme on the suse ftp site when you download 4.01 that the wrapper script for Netscape that comes with 7.0 breaks horribly when you upgrade. It is best to execute Netscape directly from it's directory.. -->E) jpegs were broken Well, if you use beta software such as KDE2 and it makes changes to the default system then if it breaks ... it's not really a SuSE 7.0 issue ;) I have been running 7.0 here at work on 3 machines I personally deal with since the 2nd release candidate and jpegs work fine. The other issues I am not versed in enough to comment... -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ------------------------- Warning to the Human Race: Objects in mirror are dumber than they appear. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
-->B) Netscape crashed every time I put the cursor in the location field -->and hit the any key.
It is in the readme on the suse ftp site when you download 4.01 that the wrapper script for Netscape that comes with 7.0 breaks horribly when you upgrade. It is best to execute Netscape directly from it's directory..
or better dump netscape and use galeon, its a nice fast browser -- Rolando Roman Linux ptorico 2.2.16 #1 Sun Jul 9 17:51:02 GMT 2000 i586 unknown -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Yeah..or use Konqueror..it's pretty nice in the latest beta... * Landy Roman (landie@concentric.net) [000916 12:53]: -->> -->B) Netscape crashed every time I put the cursor in the location field -->> -->and hit the any key. -->> -->> It is in the readme on the suse ftp site when you download 4.01 that -->> the wrapper script for Netscape that comes with 7.0 breaks horribly -->> when you upgrade. It is best to execute Netscape directly from it's -->> directory.. --> -->or better dump netscape and use galeon, its a nice fast browser --> -->-- -->Rolando Roman -->Linux ptorico 2.2.16 #1 Sun Jul 9 17:51:02 GMT 2000 i586 unknown -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ------------------------- Warning to the Human Race: Objects in mirror are dumber than they appear. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Perhaps you should inform us on what 'galeon' is and where to get it!
or better dump netscape and use galeon, its a nice fast browser
-- Rolando Roman Linux ptorico 2.2.16 #1 Sun Jul 9 17:51:02 GMT 2000 i586 unknown
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http://freshmeat.net
http://www.tucows.com
http://appwatch.com/linux
etc...etc
It's a wrapper for Mozilla. So you have to have Mozilla installed
for it to work. It uses chunks of Mozilla....
* Helgi ?rn (hehe@post.netlink.se) [000916 14:12]:
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OK, thank's! I might check that out, but now I'm going to install 7.0...(again..:o) HÖ Ben Rosenberg wrote:
http://freshmeat.net http://www.tucows.com http://appwatch.com/linux
etc...etc
It's a wrapper for Mozilla. So you have to have Mozilla installed for it to work. It uses chunks of Mozilla....
* Helgi ?rn (hehe@post.netlink.se) [000916 14:12]: -->Perhaps you should inform us on what 'galeon' is and where to get it! --> -->> -->> or better dump netscape and use galeon, its a nice fast browser -->> -->> -- -->> Rolando Roman -->> Linux ptorico 2.2.16 #1 Sun Jul 9 17:51:02 GMT 2000 i586 unknown -->> -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ------------------------- Warning to the Human Race: Objects in mirror are dumber than they appear.
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Landy wrote:
or better dump netscape and use galeon, its a nice fast browser
I never heard of it, can you give more information? ************************************ Powered by SuSE Linux 6.4 KMail 1.0.28 Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net ************************************ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Quoth Ben:
Installing "almost everything" is always a bad idea. It installs a great many things you will most likely never use and services that you won't use..and to keep track of all of that is a pain and a security risk. Install the software you are going to use ...
So, the next logical question is, "why does SuSE provide the option to install 'almost everything'? Not to be a PITA, Ben, and i'm a big fan of SuSE's work, but this is one of those things that makes one wonder if new users are being set up to screw up. There will be new users who are eager to check out *everything* that SuSE has to offer, and all at the same time. Experience teaches us to do differently, but there are no up front cautions against installing everything all at once. Might be a good idea? There are cautions included with certain pieces of software... As for the rest of 7.0, i'm still waiting for the FTP version, as i had to spring for 6.4 quite recently....and i won't go into the quality of the media, but the software upgrades seemed promising enough. 8) anyway... Alpha -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
"Steven T. Hatton" wrote: ...
D) no way - that I found - to set my mouse to Emulate3Buttons in Yast 1 or 2, or SaX2
Of course you can. IN sax2, do an Expert configuration, the 'Easy' one won't show the dialog. In the mouse screen go to 'Expert' and do what you have to do.
d) /usr/lib/JSDK2.0 is an empty directory. I don't believe the jsdk is in the SuSE distribution, unless it is part of JDK 1.3.
The Sun JDK/JRE is in 'pay'. If it's too confusing, don't install everyting at once. How can anyone test all combinations of everything with everything??? -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
* Steven T. Hatton (hattons@bellatlantic.net) [20000916 15:51]:
"Sep 15 22:45:16 linux kernel: isapnp: Card 'AZT1008 PnP SOUND DEVICE' Sep 15 22:45:16 linux kernel: isapnp: 1 Plug & Play card detected total Sep 15 22:45:16 linux kernel: snd: card-azt2320.c: MPU-401 isapnp configure failure Sep 15 22:45:17 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module snd-card-1 Sep 15 22:45:17 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module snd-card-1 Sep 15 22:45:17 linux modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module snd-card-2"
These messages tell you that you've failed to configure ALSA correctly, namely that there are no alias entries for snd-card-?. Just disable OSS again, remove all ALSA related entries from /etc/modules.conf and configure ALSA again, either via alsaconf or YaST2. I'll bet it will run.
Netscape crashed when attmpting to enter a URL.
There are a number of bugs in Netscape that we try to work around with the help of a wrapper script, a library (libnspipe.so) and modified default preferences. In this case, AFAIR, one of the fixes isn't needed for the new Xlib but there's currently no way to determine the version at runtime. The current 'fix' is to call netscape directly, i.e. as '/opt/netscape/netscape'.
Jpegs were broken. 1) this may have been due to my having installed the KDE2-Beta5 rpms and then alowing Yast to put qtaddon back.
If you're using betas, you're supposed to know what you're doing. You can't
blame that on SuSE, can you?
regards
Philipp
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