Perl Gedcom module John Lamb wrote:

Try a google search on "genealogy linux" (wiith an "a"). JDL

James Mohr wrote:

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Hi All!

Is anyone aware of any geneology softwar for Linux?

Regards,

jimmo ---------------------------------------

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Yeah, I think so. There is a low volume, but helpful mailing list: echo "subscribe perl-gedcom" | mail majordomo@icomm.ca I think, and of course others have written web interfaces to gedcom files using the module, so with a bit of searching you should be able to find some interesting sites or apps based on the module. See perhaps: http://www.pjcj.net/ http://www.phys.uu.nl/~pijll/genea/perl/gedplot/ many others, I'd guess. James Mohr wrote:

Now that sounds interesting! And it's even available on CPAN. Thanks!

Regards,

jimmo

On Sun, 2002-02-03 at 12:37, James Mohr wrote:

Hi All!

I got a private reply to this and I was just wondering if other people expect more that answers like:

Try a google search on "genealogy linux"

If answers like are acceptable, then 90% of the posts to this list could be answered with "RTFM" or "RTFHT" (Read the F..... HowTo). (...)

Hi James and all, Well, what should I say ??? :-) OK, as you might know, I am from Germany, and I _tried_ German newsgroups before I finally 'ended up here', and ... there you get a lot of answers like: 'man cdrecord' (I wanted to know what went wrong when I was trying to burn a CD. The solution, after months, which I found myself, was, that my burner was not willing to eat cyan-colored CDs, which could be fixed by a firmware update!! Is this in man cdrecord? I bet it isn't!). Among these RTFM answers there are also others, like 'stupid newbie shut up' - which is even worse IMHO. So, to come back to topic;-) First, it could be far worse. See above:-( Second, one should assume that the poster has tried to understand docs and mans, and maybe hasn't got a clue out of them, since these stuff is written from experts for experts and mainly unintelligible for average dudes (ok, that's my opinion. Man pages tell you what which option will do, but not, which option you will need). Third, everyone should check sdb (http://sdb.suse.de and select your language then) and Togan's unofficial FAQs (e.g. on http://susefaq.sourceforge.net ) before posting - maybe it is a standard question (yours, James, of course, is not). Fourth, google is not that bad, but IMHO you need some experience in choosing keywords. So, if one is a talented google searcher, why doesn't this one do a quick search for well-chosen keywords and post his results to the list (or to the original poster)? I mean ... I would do it either this way or not post anything. Fifth, if you are unlucky and do belong to some very peculiar nationality, you will have to express yourself in a foreign language, because in your native tounge you will receive RTFM for 90%:-) Sixth, this list being tolerant and wide open as anything, you will have to ignore some stuff, too, since it's not worth thinking about it. Just mention the tests sometimes being fired around. Seventh, rather enjoy the beautiful sunday than take part in great online debates:-) Cheers .... Wolfi ============================================= mailto:wolfi_z@yahoo.com Eigth: I don't know anything about your original problem:-)) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

JM> You said yourself "one should assume that the poster has tried to understand JM> docs and mans" plus the howtos and any other doc. Which is typically what I JM> do when answering people's questions via lists, newsgroups or in person. Even JM> when someone "in the heat of the moment" spells something wrong or uses the JM> wrong term, I make an effort to understand them. I recently spent half an JM> hour talking with someone who kept saying "partition" although they meant JM> filesystem. That didn't stop me from understanding. I'm going to throw a suggestion out --- rather than make assumptions, is there a compiled FAQ for this list? I have had experiences on other list where they would send out the FAQ or a pointer to the FAQ once a month. Just a thought. Perhaps the list-owner could comment. DJ

Hi,

I got a private reply to this and I was just wondering if other people expect more that answers like:

Try a google search on "genealogy linux"

If answers like are acceptable, then 90% of the posts to this list could be answered with "RTFM" or "RTFHT" (Read the F..... HowTo).

Maybe it was thought, the problem was you not finding anything yourself was your spelling (there's a lot of people here, who have english as a second language, like me, and are not that good in spelling and grammar). BTW, the information you gave _was_ a little terse. If one doesn't know what exactly you're looking for, "google" or maybe "freshmeat" _are_ the standard answers, so you can get a first overview about the available software, and then come back for the specifics. I don't think the reply _flamed_ you for spelling, it just mentioned, that exact spelling might help. Please remember, whoever answers you absolutely can't know if your mis-spelling is just a typing error or you didn't know it. freshmeat, btw, lists eight applications under "genealogy", just go to: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=genealogy§ion=projects&x=0&y=0 Robert

Granted, I might have been a little terse and could have listed all of the features that I was looking for, the software I have seen and what I didn't like, and then explicitely asked for opinions. However, I **assumed** that most people are smart enough to figure out what is being asked without having to write a novel. (granted I could have made sure everything was spelled correctly in my original post, but flaming people for spelling mistakes is already a violation of netiquette.)

I am not quite sure what you are looking for here? Even in this response you do not really state what you are looking for. The suggestion to search google gives you a start to find a program to meet your needs (whatever they may be). By the way, it was not a private reply, it was posted to the list and is often a common response to posts on this list. Also, by the way, you were not flamed for a spelling mistake but merely told the proper spelling when conducting the search. It would appear that you are expecting someone else to do the work for you and you get upset when someone suggests that you put a little effort into finding what you are looking for. 02/03/02 05:37:56 AM, James Mohr wrote:

Hi All!

I got a private reply to this and I was just wondering if other people expect more that answers like:

Try a google search on "genealogy linux"

If answers like are acceptable, then 90% of the posts to this list could be answered with "RTFM" or "RTFHT" (Read the F..... HowTo).

Granted, I might have been a little terse and could have listed all of the features that I was looking for, the software I have seen and what I didn't like, and then explicitely asked for opinions. However, I **assumed** that most people are smart enough to figure out what is being asked without having to write a novel. (granted I could have made sure everything was spelled correctly in my original post, but flaming people for spelling mistakes is already a violation of netiquette.)

Was I really expecting too much?

Regards,

jimmo

On Sunday 03 February 2002 10:34, James Mohr wrote:

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Hi All!

Is anyone aware of any geneology softwar for Linux?

Regards,

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On Sunday 03 February 2002 15:54, James Bliss wrote:

I am not quite sure what you are looking for here? Even in this response you do not really state what you are looking for. The suggestion to search google gives you a start to find a program to meet your needs (whatever they may be).

Sorry, James, I really can't answer the question "I am not quite sure what you are looking for here?" Whether you are sure or not is something you will have to decide for yourself, although I fail to see how hard that question would be to answer. Either you are not quite sure or you are sure. Where is the difficulty in determining whether you are quite sure or not? I might be able to **guess** that you don't, because of the lack of any useful information you provided. However, asking us (or just me) whether or not you are quite sure about anything, would probably cause most of us to guess. Sorry, I couldn't answer that question. ;-)

By the way, it was not a private reply, it was posted to the list and is often a common response to posts on this list. Also, by the way, you were not flamed for a spelling mistake but merely told the proper spelling when conducting the search.

The reply was sent to me **and** the list. I did not look at all of the headers. Half an hour after I replied, the message appeared on the list. That is one of the dangers of replying to both the list an the individual. (Something else I find annoying). Agreed, "flame" was a little harsh. I was just annoyed at the response.

It would appear that you are expecting someone else to do the work for you and you get upset when someone suggests that you put a little effort into finding what you are looking for.

Appearance can be deceiving and in this case your interpretation is wrong. It is very common to request opinions of people who have tried various software products rather than install every possible product, only to find that most are worthless. Granted I could have posed the question listing sixty different characteristics that genealogy software could have and ask the list to rate each of the available packages according to how the address each of these issues. However, even a cursory look at list like this shows you that it is typically the case that people ask "What is a good X software?" or "What is good X hardware?" when they are asking for opinion and not just lazy. Although I probably wouldn't call it rude, as someone else did, I would say it's disappointing when people assume the worst in others (like assuming they are lazy). On the other hand, look at the answer scsijon-net2000 provided. Why was he (she? sorry.) able to interpet the question correctly? Regards, jimmo

02/03/02 05:37:56 AM, James Mohr wrote:

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Hi All!

I got a private reply to this and I was just wondering if other people expect more that answers like:

Try a google search on "genealogy linux"

If answers like are acceptable, then 90% of the posts to this list could be answered with "RTFM" or "RTFHT" (Read the F..... HowTo).

Granted, I might have been a little terse and could have listed all of the features that I was looking for, the software I have seen and what I didn't like, and then explicitely asked for opinions. However, I **assumed** that most people are smart enough to figure out what is being asked without having to write a novel. (granted I could have made sure everything was spelled correctly in my original post, but flaming people for spelling mistakes is already a violation of netiquette.)

Was I really expecting too much?

Regards,

jimmo

On Sunday 03 February 2002 10:34, James Mohr wrote:

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Hi All!

Is anyone aware of any geneology softwar for Linux?

Regards,

jimmo --------------------------------------- "Science has promised man power...But, as so often happens when people are seduced by promises of power, the price is servitude and impotence.  Power is nothing if it is not the power to choose." Joseph Weizenbaum of MIT said in reference to Computers. --------------------------------------- The Great Linux-NT Debate: http://www.jimmo.com/Linux-NT_Debate/index.html

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Hi Richard! Accepted. I personally do not believe I was expecting too much as questions of this type are common enough. However, I wanted people's honest opinion if I was expecting too much and you feel it was. Hopefully, we are all mature enough to accept our mistakes and learn from them. Next time, I will *try* to be a little more detailed. ;-) I had assumed that anyone who dealt with genealogy software would feel that being able to read gedcom files was basically a must (and they almost always do). Since that was the only real requirement I have, I didn't feel a need to list any details. Granted, being able to post them on my website would be nice, but I can parse the gedcom files enough to put something meaningful together. BTW, what's db2ftree? Does it convert a database to the ftree format? I did a search for it (believe it or not) and didn't find anything. (Did I misspellhttp://simonward.com/family/tree it?) I Check out Simon Ward's site and it looks interesting. I wanted to mention that one person in private called me a "horse's ass" and "jerk" for my second post and insisted my ego was bruised. Well, I asked for people to publically tell me whether I was wrong or not. Richard, you and others have stated you feel I was wrong and I accept that. No hard feelings. (and no brusied egos) I also publically apologize to John if he felt I was was attacking him in any way and he was just trying to help by pointing out where he thought the problem was (the spelling mistake). As I said, his message to me came first, and I didn't read the header, but I was just annoyed at the terseness of his reply. Regards to all. jimmo On Sunday 03 February 2002 16:13, Richard Bos wrote:

Op zondag 3 februari 2002 12:37, schreef James Mohr:

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Hi All! Granted, I might have been a little terse and could have listed all of the features that I was looking for, the software I have seen and what I didn't like, and then explicitely asked for opinions. However, I **assumed** that most people are smart enough to figure out what is being asked without having to write a novel. (granted I could have made sure everything was spelled correctly in my original post, but flaming people for spelling mistakes is already a violation of netiquette.)

Was I really expecting too much?

Yes. What's the purpose of the software your looking for. Just storage, processing, making it public? Be more specific, otherwise the following answer is correct (though not usefull :) I use vi(m), a private database tool, db2ftree, db2birthday, gimp, netscape, konqueror, kmail, perl, etc. I use all of these to obtain information, create a family tree and to check that the family tree I maintain looks correct.

I can recommend the following software very much: http://simonward.com/family/tree

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