[oS-en] Filtering email problem in Thunderbird.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am having a problem with mail filtering in Thunderbird (102.5.0 (64-bit)), that started after upgrading this machine to 15.4. The filter is defined as: postmaster@outlook.com (EN) Apply filter Before Junk Classification Getting New Mail Match all of the following From is: postmaster@outlook.com Subject begins with: Undeliverable: Actions: move message to daemon_l folder on Tesa (L) (an imap folder) Another, almost identical filter: postmaster@outlook.com (ES) Apply filter Before Junk Classification Getting New Mail Match all of the following From is: postmaster@outlook.com Subject begins with: No se puede entregar: Actions: move message to daemon_l folder on Tesa (L) (an imap folder) But now I see posts like this one moved to that imap folder (daemon_l): Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 13:56:10 +0100 (CET) From: "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> To: oS-en <users@lists.opensuse.org> Subject: [oS-en] What is the meaning of the moon in YaST Message-ID: <e92f609c-a28a-c161-2f14-e7cd381cda34@telefonica.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.26 (LSU 649 2022-06-02) No way it can match the filters, but none the less, that email was moved. And if I move it back to the inbox, it is moved back to daemon_l. Happened twice. The filter log contains entries like these, which are correct: [2022-12-01, 13.26.08 GMT+1] Applied filter "My emails on tesa lists" to message from "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> - x86-64-v2 at 2022-12-01, 13.25.02 GMT+1 thread watched [2022-12-01, 13.26.08 GMT+1] Applied filter "My emails on tesa lists" to message from "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> - x86-64-v2 at 2022-12-01, 13.25.02 GMT+1 marked as read [2022-12-01, 13.56.33 GMT+1] Applied filter "postmaster@outlook.com (EN)" to message from <postmaster@outlook.com> - Undeliverable: [oS-en] What is the meaning of the moon in YaST at 2022-12-01, 13.56.30 GMT+1 moved message id = d62f158a-9af1-490f-aea9-34deffa75e11@DB9P251MB0401.EURP251.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM to imap://robin.listas2@imap.telefonica.net/daemon_l [2022-12-01, 13.56.33 GMT+1] Applied filter "postmaster@outlook.com (EN)" to message from <postmaster@outlook.com> - Undeliverable: [oS-en] What is the meaning of the moon in YaST at 2022-12-01, 13.56.30 GMT+1 moved message id = d62f158a-9af1-490f-aea9-34deffa75e11@DB9P251MB0401.EURP251.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM to imap://robin.listas2@imap.telefonica.net/daemon_l The filters exists on two machines. I have stopped the second thunderbird, just in case, but it seems not to have an effect. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCY4iyyhwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfVcHAAnixOmxZu2n/11rs334Qu yg8L1UdfAJ9VcUAEpWszZS9l9Wtpsl5Rp2EjXg== =doLn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hello, I will send the RES on jdd later. In the meantime. In the Message; Subject : [oS-en] Filtering email problem in Thunderbird. Message-ID : <f1b99d7b-7aff-ab8e-e678-c60253fa6da3@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 14:57:30 +0100 (CET) [CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written: CER> I am having a problem with mail filtering in Thunderbird (102.5.0 (64-bit)), CER> that started after upgrading this machine to 15.4. [...] CER> But now I see posts like this one moved to that imap folder (daemon_l): CER> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 13:56:10 +0100 (CET) CER> From: "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> CER> To: oS-en <users@lists.opensuse.org> CER> Subject: [oS-en] What is the meaning of the moon in YaST CER> Message-ID: <e92f609c-a28a-c161-2f14-e7cd381cda34@telefonica.net> CER> User-Agent: Alpine 2.26 (LSU 649 2022-06-02) CER> No way it can match the filters, but none the less, that email was moved. And if CER> I move it back to the inbox, it is moved back to daemon_l. CER> Happened twice. CER> The filter log contains entries like these, which are correct: CER> [2022-12-01, 13.26.08 GMT+1] Applied filter "My emails on tesa lists" to message from "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> - x86-64-v2 at 2022-12-01, 13.25.02 GMT+1 thread watched CER> [2022-12-01, 13.26.08 GMT+1] Applied filter "My emails on tesa lists" to message from "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> - x86-64-v2 at 2022-12-01, 13.25.02 GMT+1 marked as read CER> [2022-12-01, 13.56.33 GMT+1] Applied filter "postmaster@outlook.com (EN)" to message from <postmaster@outlook.com> - Undeliverable: [oS-en] What is the meaning of the moon in YaST at 2022-12-01, 13.56.30 GMT+1 moved message id = d62f158a-9af1-490f-aea9-34deffa75e11@DB9P251MB0401.EURP251.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM to imap://robin.listas2@imap.telefonica.net/daemon_l CER> [2022-12-01, 13.56.33 GMT+1] Applied filter "postmaster@outlook.com (EN)" to message from <postmaster@outlook.com> - Undeliverable: [oS-en] What is the meaning of the moon in YaST at 2022-12-01, 13.56.30 GMT+1 moved message id = d62f158a-9af1-490f-aea9-34deffa75e11@DB9P251MB0401.EURP251.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM to imap://robin.listas2@imap.telefonica.net/daemon_l CER> The filters exists on two machines. I have stopped the second CER> thunderbird, just in case, but it seems not to have an effect. I see that Thunderbird operates filters based on Bayesian statistics. I think that the phenomenon you are encountering is based on Bayesian misclassification, and that your name or your address is the basis for spam, and I have also experienced bogofilter using my address as the basis for spam. The countermeasure is to use some of the emails you have sent out to make them learn that they are not spam but ham. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Bill! You married with Computer. Not with Me!" "No..., with money."
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: [oS-en] Filtering email problem in Thunderbird. Message-ID : <87r0ximteo.wl-nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> Date & Time: Fri, 02 Dec 2022 11:27:43 +0900 [MN] == Masaru Nomiya <nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> has written: [...] CER> The filters exists on two machines. I have stopped the second CER> thunderbird, just in case, but it seems not to have an effect. MN> I see that Thunderbird operates filters based on Bayesian statistics. MN> I think that the phenomenon you are encountering is based on Bayesian MN> misclassification, and that your name or your address is the basis for MN> spam, and I have also experienced bogofilter using my address as the MN> basis for spam. MN> The countermeasure is to use some of the emails you have sent out to MN> make them learn that they are not spam but ham. I was curious so I looked into it. Thunderbird does not necessarily use bogofilter, but may also use DSPAM, POPFile or SpamAssasin as a spam filter. You can find out which of these is used at postmaster@outlook.com (EN) or postmaster@outlook.com (ES) header. 1. X-Bogosity ---> bogofilter 2. X-DSPAM-Result ---> dspam 3. X-Text-Classification ---> POPFile 4. X-Spam-Status ---> SpamAssassin 5. X-SpamPal ---> SpamAssassin You haven't installed bogofilter, have you? Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "She continues to deeply divide opinion, nearly a decade after her death in 2013, due to her policies of privatisation, breaking the power of trade unions, and selling off public housing." -- World Is One News --
On 2022-12-03 06:49, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
Hello,
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Subject : Re: [oS-en] Filtering email problem in Thunderbird. Message-ID : <87r0ximteo.wl-nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> Date & Time: Fri, 02 Dec 2022 11:27:43 +0900
[MN] == Masaru Nomiya <nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> has written:
[...] CER> The filters exists on two machines. I have stopped the second CER> thunderbird, just in case, but it seems not to have an effect.
MN> I see that Thunderbird operates filters based on Bayesian statistics. MN> I think that the phenomenon you are encountering is based on Bayesian MN> misclassification, and that your name or your address is the basis for MN> spam, and I have also experienced bogofilter using my address as the MN> basis for spam.
MN> The countermeasure is to use some of the emails you have sent out to MN> make them learn that they are not spam but ham.
I was curious so I looked into it. Thunderbird does not necessarily use bogofilter, but may also use DSPAM, POPFile or SpamAssasin as a spam filter. You can find out which of these is used at postmaster@outlook.com (EN) or postmaster@outlook.com (ES) header.
1. X-Bogosity ---> bogofilter 2. X-DSPAM-Result ---> dspam 3. X-Text-Classification ---> POPFile 4. X-Spam-Status ---> SpamAssassin 5. X-SpamPal ---> SpamAssassin
You haven't installed bogofilter, have you?
No, but you are confused. This is not the spam filtering, but a different filtering that is used to classify mail into different folders. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: [oS-en] Filtering email problem in Thunderbird. Message-ID : <9a565432-e921-1ce7-29f4-5aa21cb2da47@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 08:51:17 +0100 [CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written: [...] MN> > You haven't installed bogofilter, have you? CER> No, but you are confused. This is not the spam filtering, but a different CER> filtering that is used to classify mail into different folders. Then, wouldn't the problem then be simpler? If you compare the message filter of Thunderbird, which is working fine, with the message filter of Thunderbird, which has a problem, you can find a solution? If you were to force the issue, you could copy the msgFilterRules.dat of the Thunderbird that is working fine? Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ Think. -- The IBM slogan --
On 2022-12-03 10:54, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
Hello,
In the Message;
Subject : Re: [oS-en] Filtering email problem in Thunderbird. Message-ID : <9a565432-e921-1ce7-29f4-5aa21cb2da47@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 08:51:17 +0100
[CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written:
[...] MN> > You haven't installed bogofilter, have you?
CER> No, but you are confused. This is not the spam filtering, but a different CER> filtering that is used to classify mail into different folders.
Then, wouldn't the problem then be simpler?
If you compare the message filter of Thunderbird, which is working fine, with the message filter of Thunderbird, which has a problem, you can find a solution?
If you were to force the issue, you could copy the msgFilterRules.dat of the Thunderbird that is working fine?
I don't know yet what machine is wrong, if any (the wrong move doesn't appear on the log). It could be an interaction between both machines. Or it could be a bug. I rather think it is a bug. ImapMail/imap.telefonica-4.net/msgFilterRules.dat version="9" logging="yes" name="postmaster@outlook.com (EN)" enabled="yes" type="1" action="Move to folder" actionValue="imap://robin.listas2@imap.telefonica.net/daemon_l" condition="AND (from,is,postmaster@outlook.com) AND (subject,begins with,Undeliverable:)" name="postmaster@outlook.com (ES)" enabled="yes" type="1" action="Move to folder" actionValue="imap://robin.listas2@imap.telefonica.net/daemon_l" condition="AND (from,is,postmaster@outlook.com) AND (subject,begins with,No se puede entregar:)" ... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: [oS-en] Filtering email problem in Thunderbird. Message-ID : <50c2e195-b917-d009-d7bc-85b0839c3a05@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 12:18:57 +0100 [CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written: CER> [1 <multipart/mixed (7bit)>] CER> [1.1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (base64)>] CER> On 2022-12-03 10:54, Masaru Nomiya wrote: CER> > Hello, CER> > CER> > In the Message; CER> > CER> > Subject : Re: [oS-en] Filtering email problem in Thunderbird. CER> > Message-ID : <9a565432-e921-1ce7-29f4-5aa21cb2da47@telefonica.net> CER> > Date & Time: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 08:51:17 +0100 CER> > CER> > [CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written: [...] MN> > Then, wouldn't the problem then be simpler? MN> > MN> > If you compare the message filter of Thunderbird, which is working MN> > fine, with the message filter of Thunderbird, which has a problem, you MN> > can find a solution? MN> > MN> > If you were to force the issue, you could copy the msgFilterRules.dat MN> > of the Thunderbird that is working fine? CER> I don't know yet what machine is wrong, if any (the wrong move CER> doesn't appear on the log). It could be an interaction between CER> both machines. Or it could be a bug. I rather think it is a bug. [...] Indeed, there are many reports of problems related to message filter. But I always wonder why you don't report them to the upstream? In my case of kmail, there was no problem with ISO-2022-JP encoded Japanese mails, but there were serious problems that Shift_JIS or UTF-8 encoded Japanese mails are decoded in ISO-8859-1. I raised a bug report, but the borders were not opened, so I filed a bug report to upstream, and it was fixed immediately. Your problem is probably not specific to openSUSE either. Regards & Good Night. --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "It should never be said that it is OK to ignore the theoretical as long as it becomes a tool." -- T. Mori (The original is in Japanese) --
On 2022-12-03 13:16, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
Hello,
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Subject : Re: [oS-en] Filtering email problem in Thunderbird. Message-ID : <50c2e195-b917-d009-d7bc-85b0839c3a05@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 12:18:57 +0100
[CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written:
CER> [1 <multipart/mixed (7bit)>] CER> [1.1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (base64)>] CER> On 2022-12-03 10:54, Masaru Nomiya wrote: CER> > Hello, CER> > CER> > In the Message; CER> > CER> > Subject : Re: [oS-en] Filtering email problem in Thunderbird. CER> > Message-ID : <9a565432-e921-1ce7-29f4-5aa21cb2da47@telefonica.net> CER> > Date & Time: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 08:51:17 +0100 CER> > CER> > [CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written:
[...] MN> > Then, wouldn't the problem then be simpler? MN> > MN> > If you compare the message filter of Thunderbird, which is working MN> > fine, with the message filter of Thunderbird, which has a problem, you MN> > can find a solution? MN> > MN> > If you were to force the issue, you could copy the msgFilterRules.dat MN> > of the Thunderbird that is working fine?
CER> I don't know yet what machine is wrong, if any (the wrong move CER> doesn't appear on the log). It could be an interaction between CER> both machines. Or it could be a bug. I rather think it is a bug. [...]
Indeed, there are many reports of problems related to message filter. But I always wonder why you don't report them to the upstream?
Another day :-) First I ask for comments here.
In my case of kmail, there was no problem with ISO-2022-JP encoded Japanese mails, but there were serious problems that Shift_JIS or UTF-8 encoded Japanese mails are decoded in ISO-8859-1.
I raised a bug report, but the borders were not opened, so I filed a bug report to upstream, and it was fixed immediately.
Your problem is probably not specific to openSUSE either.
Regards & Good Night.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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