Two more desktop features compared: scroll buttons & drawers
Scroll buttons have been on windows in linux since the early '90s (in FVWM/X they were, at any rate) and they still are in other apps. But it seems that gnome, like too much else, has abandoned them. (For those who might not know of them, they're the up & down arrows which move the contents of a window a small bit, like just one line of text.) I searched about and played around with gnome for a week before I finally found a way to bring the scroll buttons back. but it was a huge PITA, they don't appear everywhere they should, and there's no telling if some software update will wipe them out again. So does the desktop you're using have scroll buttons? Second: drawyers. Another nice widget in FVWM back in the '90s was drawers. They were much like a menu that you could build yourself. You started with an icon which resided on the topbar. FVWM had a big library of icons if you didn't want to create one yourself. When you clicked on that icon a line would pop down containing other icons. Clicking on any of those icons would lauch whatever app you assigned to it. Or the icon could pop open (horizontally) another drawyer with more apps in it. The "app" you would assign to an icon in the drawyer was really anything which could be invoked with some command line, so an app, a script, a webpage, a document... anything. I loved drawyers, had (built) a couple of them, one of which was a collection of all the apps I used with my camera and manipulating and managing digital photos. I used drawyers as much as the main menu. They were also great for projects and/or for collecting documents of different formats. Gnome used to have drawers, but it seems they too have been phased out. Does KDE or Mate or xfce have drawyers? Thanks again for the enlightenment.
On 4/9/21 2:55 PM, kf wrote:
Scroll buttons have been on windows in linux since the early '90s (in FVWM/X they were, at any rate) and they still are in other apps. But it seems that gnome, like too much else, has abandoned them. (For those who might not know of them, they're the up & down arrows which move the contents of a window a small bit, like just one line of text.) I searched about and played around with gnome for a week before I finally found a way to bring the scroll buttons back. but it was a huge PITA, they don't appear everywhere they should, and there's no telling if some software update will wipe them out again. So does the desktop you're using have scroll buttons?
Ah, that explains it! Gnome at it again! Are we getting the "flat" look from Gnome too? KDE has scroll buttons, but applications written with gnome in mind, don't. I've actually had users complain about this when using Thunderbird and Firefox. I found that making the following modification worked with both TB and FF, but the latest release of TB reverted back to no scroll buttons. Edit ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css and add: *{ -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1; -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1; -GtkScrollbar-has-secondary-backward-stepper: 1; } If anyone knows how to bring them back to Thunderbird I'd certainly like to hear about it! Regards, Lew
Le 10/04/2021 à 00:23, Lew Wolfgang a écrit :
Edit
~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
and add:
*{ -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1; -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1; -GtkScrollbar-has-secondary-backward-stepper: 1; }
works for me with th 78.7.0 (64 bits) (but leap 15.1) thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 4/10/21 2:50 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 10/04/2021 à 00:23, Lew Wolfgang a écrit :
Edit
~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css
and add:
*{ -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1; -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1; -GtkScrollbar-has-secondary-backward-stepper: 1; }
works for me with th 78.7.0 (64 bits)
(but leap 15.1)
thanks jdd
For me (gnome/Wayland) it works in tbird's subwindow containing the contents of the email, but not in the one containing the listing of emails (with "Subject, Correspondents, Date, etc.), the one needed the most. :(
On 4/9/21 4:55 PM, kf wrote:
Scroll buttons have been on windows in linux since the early '90s (in FVWM/X they were, at any rate) and they still are in other apps. But it seems that gnome, like too much else, has abandoned them. (For those who might not know of them, they're the up & down arrows which move the contents of a window a small bit, like just one line of text.) I searched about and played around with gnome for a week before I finally found a way to bring the scroll buttons back. but it was a huge PITA, they don't appear everywhere they should, and there's no telling if some software update will wipe them out again. So does the desktop you're using have scroll buttons?
You are talking about the little spinbuttons on each each of a scroll bar that would move the window by ~1-line like shown below? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 4/9/21 6:46 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 4/9/21 4:55 PM, kf wrote:
Scroll buttons have been on windows in linux since the early '90s (in FVWM/X they were, at any rate) and they still are in other apps. But it seems that gnome, like too much else, has abandoned them. (For those who might not know of them, they're the up & down arrows which move the contents of a window a small bit, like just one line of text.) I searched about and played around with gnome for a week before I finally found a way to bring the scroll buttons back. but it was a huge PITA, they don't appear everywhere they should, and there's no telling if some software update will wipe them out again. So does the desktop you're using have scroll buttons?
You are talking about the little spinbuttons on each each of a scroll bar that would move the window by ~1-line like shown below?
Yes. Some people also call them scroll arrows.
On 10/04/2021 01.33, kf wrote:
On 4/9/21 6:46 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 4/9/21 4:55 PM, kf wrote:
Scroll buttons have been on windows in linux since the early '90s (in FVWM/X they were, at any rate) and they still are in other apps. But it seems that gnome, like too much else, has abandoned them. (For those who might not know of them, they're the up & down arrows which move the contents of a window a small bit, like just one line of text.) I searched about and played around with gnome for a week before I finally found a way to bring the scroll buttons back. but it was a huge PITA, they don't appear everywhere they should, and there's no telling if some software update will wipe them out again. So does the desktop you're using have scroll buttons?
You are talking about the little spinbuttons on each each of a scroll bar that would move the window by ~1-line like shown below?
Yes. Some people also call them scroll arrows.
On XFCE they appear or not depending on the theme you select. And their aspect and position also changes. My current theme doesn't have them. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 4/11/21 5:04 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes. Some people also call them scroll arrows.
On XFCE they appear or not depending on the theme you select. And their aspect and position also changes.
My current theme doesn't have them.
Unfortunately, it is a Gtk+3 strikes again..... Some kid with crayons decided that we didn't need the scroll arrows and that he would change how scrollbars worked and we would all like it (it's that arrogant type thinking that ruins projects) So we end up with new scrollbars you have to hack to have them work the same as they did before (see Lew's post-in-thread) Also notice it is setting a `.css` property, since gnome themes are now webized CSS crapola, and also why you may notice that toolbar icon spacing and other "Layout" issues on Gtk+3 apps look wonky. This is also the reason that while there were 1000's of Gtk+2 themes that were just killer, you only have a handful of Gtk+3 themes that even work. (there are no sane defaults in the GTK+3 CSS world and kids with crayons that program by CSS and builder scripts instead of C don't take time to visit https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/ to actually lookup the API elements to fine-tune what the system generated for them) I used to enjoy a trip to gnome-look.org to see what new killer themes there were for Gnome2. I don't even know if my account is still active and nothing but disappointment from all the Gnome3 offering. So as you fight with scrollbars and other "Layout" elements that used to just work, thank the kid with the crayons for all the improvements to you desktop UI. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 12/04/2021 19.23, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 4/11/21 5:04 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes. Some people also call them scroll arrows.
On XFCE they appear or not depending on the theme you select. And their aspect and position also changes.
My current theme doesn't have them.
Unfortunately, it is a Gtk+3 strikes again..... Some kid with crayons decided that we didn't need the scroll arrows and that he would change how scrollbars worked and we would all like it (it's that arrogant type thinking that ruins projects)
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So as you fight with scrollbars and other "Layout" elements that used to just work, thank the kid with the crayons for all the improvements to you desktop UI.
{chuckle} I still have on my ToDo list check if the 1 GB used by the panel in one machine is due to the theme. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Le 09/04/2021 à 23:55, kf a écrit :
Second: drawyers. Another nice widget in FVWM back in the '90s was drawers. They were much like a menu that you could build yourself. You
I have them (and use them much) in Firefox jdd -- http://dodin.org
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Lew Wolfgang