On 6/17/05, Sid Boyce wrote:

James D. Parra wrote:

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/17/de_raadt_channels_ballmer/

~James

Interesting, Theo rekons IBM don't know a good OS when they see one. BSD has always shouted sour grapes, nothing new, a long YAWN is my reaction. Regards

Yes, but he was whining in Fortune Mag this week as well. And PHB's read that rag and believe the things in it. I hope they don't believe him. - Ben -- "There is no need to teach that stars can fall out of the sky and land on a flat Earth in order to defend religious faith."

On Saturday 18 June 2005 10:08, Sid Boyce wrote:

Of course, but PHB's also talk to the likes of IBM and demand reference accounts when making decisions, also being ultra cautious people, they also suspect rants. Many install Linux in their shops without reference to the likes of IBM?Novell/RedHat and I doubt many of them have heard of Theo or BSD. Many have shunned BSD and Linux would never have got started if BSD was not seen as a sanctimonious and cleverer-than-thou elitist clique unwilling to accept contributions from lower forms of life. Theo has confirmed in the Forbes article what we always suspected he thought, that Linux is developed by lower life forms and used only by lower life forms. Another good read of a MS salesman putting the frighteners up a PHB with his own lies atop "Get The Lies". http://lobby4linux.com/WordPress/?p=18 I'm still waiting for the article that will claim that Linux will rot your teeth, eat your children and make any surviving children cook and eat their parents - it can't be far off. Regards Sid. --

If i was tempted to try BSD (which I'm not because I'd have to rearrange all my partitions to get an empty primary partition to put it on) I'm certainly not now. Mike

Kevanf1 wrote:

On 18/06/05, michael norman wrote:

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On Saturday 18 June 2005 10:08, Sid Boyce wrote:

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Of course, but PHB's also talk to the likes of IBM and demand reference accounts when making decisions, also being ultra cautious people, they also suspect rants. Many install Linux in their shops without reference to the likes of IBM?Novell/RedHat and I doubt many of them have heard of Theo or BSD. Many have shunned BSD and Linux would never have got started if BSD was not seen as a sanctimonious and cleverer-than-thou elitist clique unwilling to accept contributions from lower forms of life. Theo has confirmed in the Forbes article what we always suspected he thought, that Linux is developed by lower life forms and used only by lower life forms. Another good read of a MS salesman putting the frighteners up a PHB with his own lies atop "Get The Lies". http://lobby4linux.com/WordPress/?p=18 I'm still waiting for the article that will claim that Linux will rot your teeth, eat your children and make any surviving children cook and eat their parents - it can't be far off. Regards Sid. --

If i was tempted to try BSD (which I'm not because I'd have to rearrange all my partitions to get an empty primary partition to put it on) I'm certainly not now.

Mike

The interesting bit of the article is this -

"It's the vendors, not the developers, who need to slow down, and come out with carefully de-bugged and polished combinations of kernels and applications that work together well on a broad variety of hardware. No one would build an automobile with the latest engine, the latest transmission, the latest fuel system, without knowing whether or not they work well together. Yet a Linux vendor thinks nothing of literally slapping together the latest releases of every available component and calling it a distro."

It may be unpalatable but if you step back and think hard about it this is a sensible enough paragraph. As for the rest of hte article though :-)

I was just about to quote the same paragraph; you beat me to it. I'll add this one additional paragraph that preceeds it; the last phrase says it all. The Linux development system is not the problem; the vendor release schedule is the problem. You can almost hear the marketing teams asking, will 2.6.12 be out by the time we're ready to release? If a vendor would ever dare to show the patience and the confidence to do with Linux what Apple did with BSD, Microsoft would soon be on the ropes. -- David C. Johanson Linux Counter # 116410 Powered by SuSE Linux 7.3 People who behold a phenomenon will often extend their thinking beyond it; people who merely hear about the phenomenon will not be moved to think at all. -- Goethe