On Thursday, 13 October 2022 17:12:41 BST Stratos Zolotas wrote:

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 6:48 PM Ianseeks <bingmybong@btinternet.com> wrote:

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I'm currently using an old Nvidia card which sometimes makes horrible screaming noises when viewing videos. I've decided to go to AMD instead and looking at old cheap AMD Firepro cards (my system is old), I was just wondering if anyone has any experience of them on Tumbleweed and old Gigabyte (PCEe 2.0, AMD CPU) motherboards.

Why Firepro? I had a great experience since 2016 with one RX460 (now installed on my son's PC, still playing games but with Ubuntu LTS). I use one RX580 with my Tumbleweed.

Nothing particular - just saw a few cheap ones and it was in the list of supported cards -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20221008 Qt: 5.15.6 KDE Frameworks: 5.98.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.25.5 - kwin 5.25.5 kmail2 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - akonadiserver 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - Kernel: 6.0.0-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.17

On Friday, 14 October 2022 08:12:24 BST David C. Rankin wrote:

On 10/14/22 01:41, Ianseeks wrote:

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Nothing particular - just saw a few cheap ones and it was in the list of supported cards

Always compare memory bus 256 or 384-bit and memory-bandwidth as your comparison between cards. The quality between the Nvidia mid-level cards (the 50's or 60's and the high-level cards, the 80's very wildly. You will find an old 680 out performs a newer 950 hands down.

There are several great sites that have all AMD and Nvidia card specs for every model for comparison.

If you remember nothing else -- memory-bandwidth is the key indication on how many pixels can be pumped to the screen per clock-cycle.

Thanks David. i'll check that out. -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20221008 Qt: 5.15.6 KDE Frameworks: 5.98.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.25.5 - kwin 5.25.5 kmail2 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - akonadiserver 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - Kernel: 6.0.0-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.17

On Thursday, 13 October 2022 18:02:13 BST Nick LeRoy wrote:

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HI Hello

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Not sure if this is the correct place to ask this.

I'm currently using an old Nvidia card which sometimes makes horrible screaming noises when viewing videos. I've decided to go to AMD instead and looking at old cheap AMD Firepro cards (my system is old), I was just wondering if anyone has any experience of them on Tumbleweed and old Gigabyte (PCEe 2.0, AMD CPU) motherboards.

What software do I have to install to get the open source AMD drivers I've got some Vulkan stuff already installed (not sure how as i've not used an AMD graphics card on this system) but there is lots of other software listed for Vulkan not installed.

I've not used that exact chipset, but I've been running AMD GPUs on AMD CPUs in Gigabyte motherboards, of many different combinations, and have always found them to work well. I don't think that I've used any of that series for a couple years, but I suspect that it'll work out of the box.

I was hoping it'll work out of the box as long as vulkan is fully installed.

simoN

Thanks Ian -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20221008 Qt: 5.15.6 KDE Frameworks: 5.98.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.25.5 - kwin 5.25.5 kmail2 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - akonadiserver 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - Kernel: 6.0.0-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.17

On Thursday, 13 October 2022 18:15:47 BST Simon Becherer wrote:

Am 13.10.22 um 17:48 schrieb Ianseeks:

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HI

Not sure if this is the correct place to ask this.

I'm currently using an old Nvidia card which sometimes makes horrible screaming noises when viewing videos. I've decided to go to AMD instead and looking at old cheap AMD Firepro cards (my system is old), I was just wondering if anyone has any experience of them on Tumbleweed and old Gigabyte (PCEe 2.0, AMD CPU) motherboards.

What software do I have to install to get the open source AMD drivers I've got some Vulkan stuff already installed (not sure how as i've not used an AMD graphics card on this system) but there is lots of other software listed for Vulkan not installed.

regards

Ian

I am using older amd cards (not fire pro) since years without problems out of the box (PCEe). this cards are old, so i have to set a kernel parmater that it will use vulkan. if you have a problem here, i have to check at one of this old systems what i have done exactly, i am here at newer system who did not need that parameter, so i am not able to tell you at the moment.

I was hoping it'll work out of the box as long as vulkan is fully installed.

simoN

Thanks Ian -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20221008 Qt: 5.15.6 KDE Frameworks: 5.98.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.25.5 - kwin 5.25.5 kmail2 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - akonadiserver 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - Kernel: 6.0.0-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.17

On Friday, 14 October 2022 08:10:12 BST Simon Becherer wrote:

Am 14.10.22 um 08:33 schrieb Ianseeks:

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On Thursday, 13 October 2022 18:15:47 BST Simon Becherer wrote:

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Am 13.10.22 um 17:48 schrieb Ianseeks:

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HI

Not sure if this is the correct place to ask this.

I'm currently using an old Nvidia card which sometimes makes horrible screaming noises when viewing videos. I've decided to go to AMD instead and looking at old cheap AMD Firepro cards (my system is old), I was just wondering if anyone has any experience of them on Tumbleweed and old Gigabyte (PCEe 2.0, AMD CPU) motherboards.

What software do I have to install to get the open source AMD drivers I've got some Vulkan stuff already installed (not sure how as i've not used an AMD graphics card on this system) but there is lots of other software listed for Vulkan not installed.

regards

Ian

I am using older amd cards (not fire pro) since years without problems out of the box (PCEe). this cards are old, so i have to set a kernel parmater that it will use vulkan. if you have a problem here, i have to check at one of this old systems what i have done exactly, i am here at newer system who did not need that parameter, so i am not able to tell you at the moment.

I was hoping it'll work out of the box as long as vulkan is fully installed.

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simoN

Thanks Ian

Still not at the old pc, but some datas (from 2020 when i installed vulkan): i am using (at one of them) 1024mb ati radeon hd5750 pcie-2e passiv 2xdvi 1x hdmi 128bit (bought in 2011) and as i remember that was the oldest (or one of the oldest) cards/chipsets in 2020 who was able to support vulkan (i found this info somewhere in the www ;-)) with the opensource ati-drivers. for this chipset i have to force the system to use vulkan. maybe the drivers are now more automatic and the forcing of using "kernelmodul amdgpu" instead of "kernelmodul radeon" is not needed?

================================ i found some more notes:

kernel commandline with: radeon.cik_support=0 radeon.si_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1 amdgpu.si_support=1 inxi -G Graphics: Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde XT [Radeon HD 7770/8760 / R7 250X] driver: amdgpu v: kernel. Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.8 driver: amdgpu FAILED: ati unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,radeon,vesa. resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz. !!!!!! OpenGL: renderer: AMD Radeon HD 7700 Series (VERDE DRM 3.36.0 5.6.2-1-default LLVM 10.0.0) v: 4.6 Mesa 20.0.4.

and without: Graphics: Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde XT [Radeon HD 7770/8760 / R7 250X] driver: radeon v: kernel. Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.8 driver: radeon FAILED: ati unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa. resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz. !!!!!!! OpenGL: renderer: AMD VERDE (DRM 2.50.0 5.6.2-1-default LLVM 10.0.0) v: 4.5 Mesa 20.0.4.

both work fine with opengl, but only the first with vulkan, with vdpauinfo i forgot to test.......

================================= some test prgs:

inxi -G packet: xf86-video ..... "amdgpu" for newer graphic "ati" for older lspci -k vulkaninfo glxinfo glxgears fgl_glxgears glmark2 (opengl2 benchmark) vkmark (vulkan benchmark)

vdpauinfo vainfo -> cnf vainfo

================================= ah, and here what i have installed (to play steam games with vulkan): (maybe some stuff is not needet)

yast steam (will install with a lot of stuff, also vulkan-tools)

vulkaninfo -> errormessage,

make the user to the group "render"

install: libvulkan_radeon-32bit libxcb-randr0-32bit libwayland-client0-32bit

vkmark libassimp3

mesa-libvulkan-devel libvulkan_intel libvulkan_intel-32bit

driver: renderer amd verde (drm 2.50.0,5.5.11-1-default, LLVM 9.0.1 opengl 4.5(compatibility profile (mesa 20.0.2) kernelmodul radeon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yast2 bootloader kenelparameter change/add: radeon.cik_support=0 radeon.si_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1 amdgpu.si_support=1

NOW: kernelmodul amdgpu !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and vulkan support is working.

simoN

Thanks for that Simon. I'm gong have to print this stuff out before i do anything else -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20221008 Qt: 5.15.6 KDE Frameworks: 5.98.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.25.5 - kwin 5.25.5 kmail2 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - akonadiserver 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - Kernel: 6.0.0-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.17

Am 14.10.22 um 09:29 schrieb Felix Miata:

Simon Becherer composed on 2022-10-14 09:10 (UTC+0200):

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yast2 bootloader kenelparameter change/add: radeon.cik_support=0 radeon.si_support=0 amdgpu.cik_support=1 amdgpu.si_support=1

.si parameters are for AMD cards using GCN#1 technology. (2012 introduction) .cik parameters are for AMD cards using GCN#2 technology. (2013 introduction) Using the inapplicable ones have the same effect as including ryebread or ladygaga as cmdline parameters.

Ah, thanks for this clarification, then in my situation i think i could throw away some parameters ;-))) AND you point me that the amd card i wrote "radeon hd5750" (bought in 2011) is MAYBE not any more in that pc, its maybe a saphire radeon hd 7770 or hd7790 OR .si will work also with cards older than 2011 (i have at least 3 pc's with old cards with vulkan support and i remember that one card was changed sometimes, i do not remember what type i disassembled) simoN -- www.becherer.de ----------------------------------------------- - Das ist die vorlaeufig endgueltige Version! - Herbert C. Maier Dipl.-Ing. (FH) -----------------------------------------------

On Thursday, 13 October 2022 18:56:32 BST Felix Miata wrote:

Ianseeks composed on 2022-10-13 16:48 (UTC+0100):

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I'm currently using an old Nvidia card which sometimes makes horrible screaming noises when viewing videos. I've decided to go to AMD instead and looking at old cheap AMD Firepro cards (my system is old), I was just wondering if anyone has any experience of them on Tumbleweed and old Gigabyte (PCEe 2.0, AMD CPU) motherboards.

How old is old? Maybe 10 years or so.

I have a bunch of older AMD cards, mostly ATI Radeon, one FireGL. None I have in current use give any trouble. I had a few really old ones puke in various ways I suspect to be dying RAM, as they worked, but produced various types of screen artifacts. Thats good ot know.

I recommend you try to get one newer than 2013, the year GCN2 was new, so GCN3 technology or newer is what to try for. It should be good for many years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units has the model numbers. Some models newer than 2013 use the older tech, so the lookup table is needed shopping for used. I'll check that out

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What software do I have to install to get the open source AMD drivers I've got some Vulkan stuff already installed (not sure how as i've not used an AMD graphics card on this system) but there is lots of other software listed for Vulkan not installed.

All the software you need is probably already installed. The main thing you'll need to do is ensure all proprietary NVidia software is purged according to the instructions provided for installing. I've been using Nouveau.

Thanks for the tips Ian -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20221008 Qt: 5.15.6 KDE Frameworks: 5.98.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.25.5 - kwin 5.25.5 kmail2 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - akonadiserver 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - Kernel: 6.0.0-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.17

On Friday, 14 October 2022 08:08:00 BST David C. Rankin wrote:

On 10/13/22 10:48, Ianseeks wrote:

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I'm currently using an old Nvidia card which sometimes makes horrible screaming noises when viewing videos. I've decided to go to AMD instead and looking at old cheap AMD Firepro cards (my system is old), I was just wondering if anyone has any experience of them on Tumbleweed and old Gigabyte (PCEe 2.0, AMD CPU) motherboards.

What software do I have to install to get the open source AMD drivers I've got some Vulkan stuff already installed (not sure how as i've not used an AMD graphics card on this system) but there is lots of other software listed for Vulkan not installed.

regards

Ian

Depending on "How old" that Nvidia card is, you may be better just googling a new fan for that model and swapping it out. You will either have the thin-plastic style fan or the good centrifugal squirrel-cage type fan. Both are less than $20 and easy to put in (with tiny screws).

Its this one "nvidia geoforce GT218 geoforce 210" from about 2009 and not an OEM card. I want to get away from Nouveau as releases of it or Mesa (?) seem to affect just how bad the beeps get in frequency.

If it's a GTX 500x version or higher, I'd replace the fan. It will be good for another decade.

Thanks David -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20221008 Qt: 5.15.6 KDE Frameworks: 5.98.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.25.5 - kwin 5.25.5 kmail2 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - akonadiserver 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - Kernel: 6.0.0-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.17

David C. Rankin composed on 2022-10-14 21:35 (UTC-0500):

Ianseeks wrote:

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Its this one "nvidia geoforce GT218 geoforce 210" from about 2009 and not an OEM card. I want to get away from Nouveau as releases of it or Mesa (?) seem to affect just how bad the beeps get in frequency.

It's a pity Nvidia, and distros in general, don't build drivers for these cards by default.

Actually things are a bit different than most users are probably aware of. Technology evolves. All FOSS display drivers for X used to be device specific, one driver for ATI cards, another for Intel, one for NVidia, then one for AMD, plus for various also-ran brands. This type display driver has a nickname, DDX, for Device Dependent X. The situation changed about a decade ago. It was determined after KMS became entrenched that too many resources were devoted to display drivers due to device dependence. So the AMD & Intel driver devs came up with a driver that is not device dependent, not surprisingly named modesetting, and nicknamed DIX, for Device Independent X. Most of Intel's display driver effort goes into this driver. The Intel DDX has been in maintenance mode many years, at least 8 I think, currently at v2.99.917.916_g31486f40-3.3 in TW. AMD is a big contributor here too, though it's probably safe to assume it puts more resources into the amdgpu DDX. The DIX has been the upstream default display driver since server 1.17.0 7 years ago. As a consequence of the DIX, many NVidia owners who shun "the nouveau drivers" (and those who don't), don't know this happened, and may not be using "the nouveau drivers". Instead, they may be using the nouveau kernel driver, along with the modesetting DIX display driver, which many years ago ceased to be "experimental". e.g. the card OP uses (from 2009?) as used in TW here: # rpm -qa | grep xf86-video xf86-video-fbdev-0.5.0-3.3.x86_64 xf86-video-vesa-2.5.0-4.3.x86_64 # pinxi -GSaz System: Kernel: 5.19.13-1-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.1 parameters: root=LABEL=<filter> ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 noresume mitigations=auto consoleblank=0 Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 5.26.0 tk: Qt v: 5.15.6 wm: kwin_x11 vt: 7 dm: 1: KDM 2: XDM Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20221013 Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] vendor: eVga.com. driver: nouveau v: kernel non-free: series: 340.xx status: legacy (EOL) last: release: 340.108 kernel: 5.4 xorg: 1.20 arch: Tesla process: 40-80nm built: 2006-13 pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: DVI-I-1,HDMI-A-1 empty: VGA-1 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0a65 class-ID: 0300 temp: 66.0 C Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.4 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: X: loaded: modesetting dri: nouveau gpu: nouveau display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x1200 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 762x254mm (30.00x10.00") s-diag: 803mm (31.62") Monitor-1: DVI-I-1 pos: primary,left model: NEC EA243WM serial: <filter> built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2 size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480 Monitor-2: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-1 pos: right model: Dell P2213 serial: <filter> built: 2012 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2 size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400 OpenGL: renderer: NVA8 v: 3.3 Mesa 22.2.1 direct render: Yes -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata

On Friday, 14 October 2022 08:10:18 BST Felix Miata wrote:

Ianseeks composed on 2022-10-13 16:48 (UTC+0100):

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I've decided to go to AMD instead and looking at old cheap AMD Firepro cards (my system is old),

For longest practical life, consider the output port types when shopping. DVI and HDMI can be converted inexpensively both directions no problem, though there's no sound passing via DVI. Not so with HDMI and DisplayPort. If a DisplayPort is your only choice besides VGA on a display, you'll be stuck using VGA if your output types are only DVI or HDMI (or plus VGA too). A cheap converter is satisfactory to use for converting DP output to HDMI input. Thus if you must choose between HDMI and DP because you can't find anything with both, DP makes a more sensible choice, because either it or DVI can be converted to use with an HDMI input. All my newest PCIe graphics cards have at least one DisplayPort output.

Thanks Felix, i'm definitely in the market for a converter to VGA. I've got an "Audio In" socket on the monitor but i've never used it. -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20221008 Qt: 5.15.6 KDE Frameworks: 5.98.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.25.5 - kwin 5.25.5 kmail2 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - akonadiserver 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - Kernel: 6.0.0-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.17