[opensuse] Firefox 60 on Leap 42.3?
I just went to online update in Leap 42.3 and see there is one for Firefox from 52.8.0 to 60.0. That seems like quite a jump and again its surprising to see a major version change pushed as an update partway through a release's lifecycle. I expect that updating Firefox is going to cause me grief to get it back the way I like it at a minimum, and perhaps break some of my add-ons. I expect to have to deal with grief like that when I update my distro version, not at random intervals in between. If I wanted system that needed continuous tender loving care, I would choose Tumbleweed. So what's going on? First LibreOffice, now Firefox? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, Am 17.05.2018 um 13:16 schrieb Dave Howorth:
I just went to online update in Leap 42.3 and see there is one for Firefox from 52.8.0 to 60.0. That seems like quite a jump and again its surprising to see a major version change pushed as an update partway through a release's lifecycle.
I expect that updating Firefox is going to cause me grief to get it back the way I like it at a minimum, and perhaps break some of my add-ons.
I expect to have to deal with grief like that when I update my distro version, not at random intervals in between. If I wanted system that needed continuous tender loving care, I would choose Tumbleweed.
So what's going on?
First LibreOffice, now Firefox?
When you check very carefully you will see that there is an update to 52.8 since a few days marked as security and that the Firefox 60 upgrade is marked as recommended at the moment. You may select to not update Firefox to 60 while still being secure. That being said there is no choice to update to 60 on 42.3 for security reasons soon now as it's impossible to maintain all security fixes w/o upstream support. So you have the choice to block the update and have no migration issues becoming insecure or to do the update in the end. Unfortunately there is basically nothing inbetween. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-05-17 13:36, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Hi,
Am 17.05.2018 um 13:16 schrieb Dave Howorth:
I just went to online update in Leap 42.3 and see there is one for Firefox from 52.8.0 to 60.0. That seems like quite a jump and again its surprising to see a major version change pushed as an update partway through a release's lifecycle.
I expect that updating Firefox is going to cause me grief to get it back the way I like it at a minimum, and perhaps break some of my add-ons.
I started it this morning, and till you mentioned I did not notice the large version change. I did notice some small behaviour change: some pages did not load automatically when restoring all my tabs. Now I notice that some of my plugins are disabled: Flashblock Quickjava URL relay User agent overrider The first and the last are important to me. I knew this was going to happen with the update to Leap 15, but I did not expect it on 42.3.
I expect to have to deal with grief like that when I update my distro version, not at random intervals in between. If I wanted system that needed continuous tender loving care, I would choose Tumbleweed.
So what's going on?
First LibreOffice, now Firefox?
When you check very carefully you will see that there is an update to 52.8 since a few days marked as security and that the Firefox 60 upgrade is marked as recommended at the moment.
It was automatically selected when I did the YOU update yesterday. I had a quick look and accepted all updates, I did not notice that this one was "optional", nor that it was not the ESR line. It was not listed separately under the "optional" list.
You may select to not update Firefox to 60 while still being secure.
That being said there is no choice to update to 60 on 42.3 for security reasons soon now as it's impossible to maintain all security fixes w/o upstream support. So you have the choice to block the update and have no migration issues becoming insecure or to do the update in the end. Unfortunately there is basically nothing inbetween.
If it is that way, well... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Am 17.05.2018 um 13:52 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
It was automatically selected when I did the YOU update yesterday. I had a quick look and accepted all updates, I did not notice that this one was "optional", nor that it was not the ESR line. It was not listed separately under the "optional" list.
recommended is selected by default but can be deselected.
You may select to not update Firefox to 60 while still being secure.
That being said there is no choice to update to 60 on 42.3 for security reasons soon now as it's impossible to maintain all security fixes w/o upstream support. So you have the choice to block the update and have no migration issues becoming insecure or to do the update in the end. Unfortunately there is basically nothing inbetween.
If it is that way, well...
I need to remind people that openSUSE used to ship rapid release Firefox for quite some time. Switching to ESR by default for Leap is a more recent approach only and ESRs are only maintained for around a year compared to a fully Leap cycle. It would be perfect if we could align it with Leap minor releases but unfortunately this math is not working out in some cases. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2018-05-17 13:58, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 17.05.2018 um 13:52 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
It was automatically selected when I did the YOU update yesterday. I had a quick look and accepted all updates, I did not notice that this one was "optional", nor that it was not the ESR line. It was not listed separately under the "optional" list.
recommended is selected by default but can be deselected.
But you see, it got us by surprise this way.
You may select to not update Firefox to 60 while still being secure.
That being said there is no choice to update to 60 on 42.3 for security reasons soon now as it's impossible to maintain all security fixes w/o upstream support. So you have the choice to block the update and have no migration issues becoming insecure or to do the update in the end. Unfortunately there is basically nothing inbetween.
If it is that way, well...
I need to remind people that openSUSE used to ship rapid release Firefox for quite some time. Switching to ESR by default for Leap is a more recent approach only and ESRs are only maintained for around a year compared to a fully Leap cycle. It would be perfect if we could align it with Leap minor releases but unfortunately this math is not working out in some cases.
I understand. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 05/17/2018 04:52 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It was automatically selected when I did the YOU update yesterday. I had a quick look and accepted all updates, I did not notice that this one was "optional", nor that it was not the ESR line. It was not listed separately under the "optional" list.
FF 60 is the new ESR branch. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 17 May 2018 13:36:39 +0200
Wolfgang Rosenauer
Hi,
Am 17.05.2018 um 13:16 schrieb Dave Howorth:
I just went to online update in Leap 42.3 and see there is one for Firefox from 52.8.0 to 60.0. That seems like quite a jump and again its surprising to see a major version change pushed as an update partway through a release's lifecycle.
I expect that updating Firefox is going to cause me grief to get it back the way I like it at a minimum, and perhaps break some of my add-ons.
I expect to have to deal with grief like that when I update my distro version, not at random intervals in between. If I wanted system that needed continuous tender loving care, I would choose Tumbleweed.
So what's going on?
First LibreOffice, now Firefox?
When you check very carefully you will see that there is an update to 52.8 since a few days marked as security and that the Firefox 60 upgrade is marked as recommended at the moment.
I had checked carefully and that's why I saw it before it tried to upgrade without warning. Like Carlos, I think it should have been listed as optional, not recommended, and I think it should have had a different name, such as Firefox-60.
You may select to not update Firefox to 60 while still being secure.
That being said there is no choice to update to 60 on 42.3 for security reasons soon now as it's impossible to maintain all security fixes w/o upstream support. So you have the choice to block the update and have no migration issues becoming insecure or to do the update in the end. Unfortunately there is basically nothing inbetween.
I don't understand. Both 60 and 52.8 are currently ESR, but there doesn't now seem to be a method to provide updates via opensuse to the 52.8 since openSUSE has conflated the two versions under a single identifier. Is that true? And if so, why? (insert frustrated emoticon here) As I understand it, Leap 15 will be released shortly, before the next FF 52 release in June. So I really don't understand why 42.3 could not be kept on FF 52 ESR at least until 15 is released with FF 60 ESR and indeed until FF 52 end of life. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
So I really don't understand why 42.3 could not be kept on FF 52 ESR at least until 15 is released with FF 60 ESR and indeed until FF 52 end of life. Because you would need to employ manpower to maintain two lines with security checks. Not a big thing but this is one program. Now multiply this for all
In data giovedì 17 maggio 2018 22:09:37 CEST, Dave Howorth ha scritto: possible conflict situations (already seen with libreoffice). In short, what I understand, when SLE(S) does update to it, opensuse does the same. Besides: a question is licit I think, what would actually change if things would go as you say? The 60 version is (and this is rare) really superior to 52. _________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________ Ihre E-Mail-Postfächer sicher & zentral an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und alte E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! https://www.eclipso.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 04:16 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
I just went to online update in Leap 42.3 and see there is one for Firefox from 52.8.0 to 60.0. That seems like quite a jump and again its surprising to see a major version change pushed as an update partway through a release's lifecycle.
I expect that updating Firefox is going to cause me grief to get it back the way I like it at a minimum, and perhaps break some of my add-ons.
I expect to have to deal with grief like that when I update my distro version, not at random intervals in between. If I wanted system that needed continuous tender loving care, I would choose Tumbleweed.
So what's going on?
First LibreOffice, now Firefox?
The Firefox release overview can be found here: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ The gecko-based version 52 ESR will be end of life on Aug. 28th, and the new quantum-based version 60 ESR just came out on May 9th. openSUSE maintainers are keeping in line with Mozilla's release schedule. As for what Wolfgang said, you have some more time but soon you will need to upgrade. All of the important extensions I use such as uBlock Origin, NoScript, Cookie Auto Delete, Privacy Badger and HTTPS Everywhere have already been released as WebExtensions. Many extensions have been rewritten or ported from XUL. Please note, legacy extensions will no longer work with 60 ESR. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 17 May 2018 12:16:17 +0100
Dave Howorth
So what's going on?
It's fairly simple. Firefox has a rapid development process with new versions every ~6 weeks. About once a year, a new "Extended Support Release" is shipped. That just happened. The old Firefox ESR was v52. Now it's v60. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ Yes, all XUL extensions will stop working. I switched to Waterfox myself; they still work in that. https://www.waterfoxproject.org/en-US/ Download the Linux tarball, unpack into /opt or somewhere, and enjoy. Works without any extra steps for me on Tumbleweed. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 07:16 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
I just went to online update in Leap 42.3 and see there is one for Firefox from 52.8.0 to 60.0. That seems like quite a jump and again its surprising to see a major version change pushed as an update partway through a release's lifecycle.
I expect that updating Firefox is going to cause me grief to get it back the way I like it at a minimum, and perhaps break some of my add-ons.
I expect to have to deal with grief like that when I update my distro version, not at random intervals in between. If I wanted system that needed continuous tender loving care, I would choose Tumbleweed.
So what's going on?
First LibreOffice, now Firefox?
I now have 60 on my 42.3 system. The Menu bar is now useless. It's there but greyed out. Also, the Showip addin is gone from customization. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 02:09 PM, James Knott wrote:
I now have 60 on my 42.3 system. The Menu bar is now useless. It's there but greyed out. Also, the Showip addin is gone from customization.
Update, the Menu bar is back, but ShowIP is not working and not in the Customize panel. It is listed in the Add-ons manager and supposedly enabled. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 11:13 AM, James Knott wrote:
On 05/17/2018 02:09 PM, James Knott wrote:
I now have 60 on my 42.3 system. The Menu bar is now useless. It's there but greyed out. Also, the Showip addin is gone from customization.
Update, the Menu bar is back, but ShowIP is not working and not in the Customize panel. It is listed in the Add-ons manager and supposedly enabled.
If it's not shown in the customize UI it's usually already on the toolbar. If not, try uninstalling and reinstalling the extension. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 02:21 PM, sam@fnet.cx wrote:
If it's not shown in the customize UI it's usually already on the toolbar. If not, try uninstalling and reinstalling the extension.
It should be on the tool bar, but I don't see it. I have tried disable/enable, but that didn't fix it. I'll have to uninstall/reinstall, to see if that helps. BTW, previously in FF, enabling or disabling an add-on often caused a restart button to appear. That doesn't seem to happen any more. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 02:21 PM, sam@fnet.cx wrote:
If it's not shown in the customize UI it's usually already on the toolbar. If not, try uninstalling and reinstalling the extension.
I tried that. It still doesn't show, except on the Add-ons page. It is not on the tool bar or in the Customize panel. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
This version of FF seems quicker than the previous. Also, web sites look a bit different. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 11:09 AM, James Knott wrote:
On 05/17/2018 07:16 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
I just went to online update in Leap 42.3 and see there is one for Firefox from 52.8.0 to 60.0. That seems like quite a jump and again its surprising to see a major version change pushed as an update partway through a release's lifecycle.
I expect that updating Firefox is going to cause me grief to get it back the way I like it at a minimum, and perhaps break some of my add-ons.
I expect to have to deal with grief like that when I update my distro version, not at random intervals in between. If I wanted system that needed continuous tender loving care, I would choose Tumbleweed.
So what's going on?
First LibreOffice, now Firefox?
I now have 60 on my 42.3 system. The Menu bar is now useless. It's there but greyed out. Also, the Showip addin is gone from customization.
What do you mean the menu bar is useless? I am running FF 60 on Leap 15 Beta and the menu bar works just fine. Is it possible the extension you mentioned is one of the legacy XUL ones? When you check your list of extensions, FF should notify you which ones have been disabled because of the requirement that all extensions now have to be built using the WebExtensions API. Did you try creating a new profile? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 02:15 PM, sam@fnet.cx wrote:
What do you mean the menu bar is useless? I am running FF 60 on Leap 15 Beta and the menu bar works just fine. Is it possible the extension you mentioned is one of the legacy XUL ones? When you check your list of extensions, FF should notify you which ones have been disabled because of the requirement that all extensions now have to be built using the WebExtensions API. Did you try creating a new profile?
As I mentioned in another note, it's back. It came back after restarting FF. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 06:16 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
I just went to online update in Leap 42.3 and see there is one for Firefox from 52.8.0 to 60.0. That seems like quite a jump and again its surprising to see a major version change pushed as an update partway through a release's lifecycle.
FF 60 is a huge jump, breaks all backwards GTK+2 compatibility, and was so bad in Leap 15, I had to uninstall it and go with the Mozilla.org version of 52.8. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/17/2018 04:25 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 05/17/2018 06:16 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
I just went to online update in Leap 42.3 and see there is one for Firefox from 52.8.0 to 60.0. That seems like quite a jump and again its surprising to see a major version change pushed as an update partway through a release's lifecycle.
FF 60 is a huge jump, breaks all backwards GTK+2 compatibility, and was so bad in Leap 15, I had to uninstall it and go with the Mozilla.org version of 52.8.
But Thank You! $ sudo zypper al MozillaFirefox MozillaThunderbird MozillaFirefox-branding-openSUSE $ zypper ll # | Name | Type | Repository ---+----------------------------------+---------+----------- 1 | MozillaFirefox | package | (any) 2 | MozillaFirefox-branding-openSUSE | package | (any) 3 | MozillaThunderbird | package | (any) 4 | geany | package | (any) 5 | geany-devel | package | (any) 6 | geany-lang | package | (any) 7 | geany-plugins | package | (any) 8 | geany-plugins-lang | package | (any) 9 | keepassx | package | (any) 10 | libgeany0 | package | (any) ...SAFE...! -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 17 May 2018 16:32:42 -0500
"David C. Rankin"
On 05/17/2018 04:25 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 05/17/2018 06:16 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
I just went to online update in Leap 42.3 and see there is one for Firefox from 52.8.0 to 60.0. That seems like quite a jump and again its surprising to see a major version change pushed as an update partway through a release's lifecycle.
FF 60 is a huge jump, breaks all backwards GTK+2 compatibility, and was so bad in Leap 15, I had to uninstall it and go with the Mozilla.org version of 52.8.
But Thank You!
Sorry, I don't understand what you're thanking me for? Nor do I understand the implications of what you listed below, especially how it implies something is safe.
$ sudo zypper al MozillaFirefox MozillaThunderbird MozillaFirefox-branding-openSUSE
$ zypper ll
# | Name | Type | Repository ---+----------------------------------+---------+----------- 1 | MozillaFirefox | package | (any) 2 | MozillaFirefox-branding-openSUSE | package | (any) 3 | MozillaThunderbird | package | (any) 4 | geany | package | (any) 5 | geany-devel | package | (any) 6 | geany-lang | package | (any) 7 | geany-plugins | package | (any) 8 | geany-plugins-lang | package | (any) 9 | keepassx | package | (any) 10 | libgeany0 | package | (any)
...SAFE...!
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