[SLE] Fundamental differences
This isn't strictly SuSE related, but it is Linux related. What are the fundamental differences between Linux and Windows these days? I can think of graphics, which is totally different, and disks/mount points which are handled differently. With Windows becoming network-ed (albeit badly), what genuine differences does that leave for the Linux community to exploit? -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
How about ROCK SOLID STABILITY ON _LINUX_ and the Blue Scrren of death on windows , not to mention the spurios reboot syndrome , contatly changing plug and play , and plian old instability. At 01:38 PM 7/7/2000 +0100, Derek Fountain wrote:
This isn't strictly SuSE related, but it is Linux related.
What are the fundamental differences between Linux and Windows these days? I can think of graphics, which is totally different, and disks/mount points which are handled differently. With Windows becoming network-ed (albeit badly), what genuine differences does that leave for the Linux community to exploit?
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Hello all, This is my stab at this issue: Linux features ----- Linux Benefits Open Source Software ----- Reliable, freedom New Technology ----- Use the latest gadgets, frequent updates Connect to Windows File systems ------ Compatible with Windows systems Thin Client Software ----- No Hard Drive necessary OS has small code footprint ----- can use inexpensive hardware X Software ------- GUI/windows environment Extensive Documentation ------ Read the code and documentation on net Upgrade kernel seperately from apps ----- customize systems Security exploits patched fast ----- Keep the hackers out Only one kernel development ------ less kernel integration issues (Win95/98/NT/2000 kernel development is a nightmare in comparison) GPL ------- Cost is free, additional improvements benefit all users Any comments??? Additions??? Tony Zafiropoulos CTiTEK.com Office: 314-726-5080 Fax: 314-726-5085 Cell: 314-504-3974 "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Samy Elashmawy wrote:
How about ROCK SOLID STABILITY ON _LINUX_ and the Blue Scrren of death on windows , not to mention the spurios reboot syndrome , contatly changing plug and play , and plian old instability.
At 01:38 PM 7/7/2000 +0100, Derek Fountain wrote:
This isn't strictly SuSE related, but it is Linux related.
What are the fundamental differences between Linux and Windows these days? I can think of graphics, which is totally different, and disks/mount points which are handled differently. With Windows becoming network-ed (albeit badly), what genuine differences does that leave for the Linux community to exploit?
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On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 01:38:02PM +0100, Derek Fountain wrote:
This isn't strictly SuSE related, but it is Linux related.
What are the fundamental differences between Linux and Windows these days? I can think of graphics, which is totally different, and disks/mount points which are handled differently. With Windows becoming network-ed (albeit badly), what genuine differences does that leave for the Linux community to exploit?
This is just a short list: 1. Design philosophy (Unix vs. Windows) 2. Stability 3. Ability to run on older commodity hardware 4. Rapid pace of development (new system features appear quickly in Linux) 5. Use of open protocols and standards 6. Open exchange of information (i.e. bug reports, errata, system internals) Victor -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 vcardona@home.com wrote:
On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 01:38:02PM +0100, Derek Fountain wrote:
This isn't strictly SuSE related, but it is Linux related.
What are the fundamental differences between Linux and Windows these days? I can think of graphics, which is totally different, and disks/mount points which are handled differently. With Windows becoming network-ed (albeit badly), what genuine differences does that leave for the Linux community to exploit?
This is just a short list: 1. Design philosophy (Unix vs. Windows) 2. Stability 3. Ability to run on older commodity hardware 4. Rapid pace of development (new system features appear quickly in Linux) 5. Use of open protocols and standards 6. Open exchange of information (i.e. bug reports, errata, system internals)
7. Much easier remote administration. 8. Much more complete implementation of networking (and probably always will be). 9. No central registry. Greg -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 01:38:02PM +0100, Derek Fountain wrote:
This isn't strictly SuSE related, but it is Linux related.
I'll bite :).
What are the fundamental differences between Linux and Windows these days? I can think of graphics, which is totally different, and disks/mount points which are handled differently. With Windows becoming network-ed (albeit badly), what genuine differences does that leave for the Linux community to exploit?
I really think your question is backwards. It should be more like, "What are the fundamental similarities between Linux and Windows these days?" Linux is coming a long way as far as UI and user-friendliness (you mentioned disk mounting). I'm not sure that Linux will ever *eclipse* Windows as a desktop platform for people like my mom. Windows security is finally at least *trying* to enter the UNIX realm (better hardware abstraction and protection is evident in Windows2000 Pro). I'll probably never use Windows where security is a concern, though. You might as well be saying, "What are the fundamental differences between MacOS and OS/400 these days?" The question just isn't fair. -- -=|JP|=- "Why, oh, why didn't I take the blue pill?" Jon Pennington | Atipa Linux Solutions -o) jpennington@atipa.com | http://www.atipa.com /\\ Kansas City, MO, USA | 816-595-3000 x1550 _\_V 6D04 39E0 CAE9 9ADA 2CA3 2EBE 898A 6C37 CA1E A29C -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
This isn't strictly SuSE related, but it is Linux related.
What are the fundamental differences between Linux and Windows these days? I can think of graphics, which is totally different, and disks/mount points which are handled differently. With Windows becoming network-ed (albeit badly), what genuine differences does that leave for the Linux community to exploit?
It goes a little deeper that apperance. It isn't how sexy it looks on the outside, it is what is inside that matters. 1). Linux is an offset mimicked after Unix (in fact Linux is Unix in many (if not all) aspects). So the question is what is the differance between Unix and Windows? A lot. One is a server based operating system and the other is a desktop consumer OS. Unix is meant to be powerful and flexiable and Windows is meant to have a lower learning curve. Unix is multi-user, it could be agrued that Windows is not. 2). License. Linux is freely avaiable, as in price and also free to modify or sell modified copies of it. Windows is copyrighted and to legally use it you must fork over $90 or get it with a new computer. Windows does not provide source code. It is illegal to modify or sell modified copies of Windows. Jack -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On 7 Jul, Derek Fountain wrote:
This isn't strictly SuSE related, but it is Linux related.
What are the fundamental differences between Linux and Windows these days? I can think of graphics, which is totally different, and disks/mount points which are handled differently. With Windows becoming network-ed (albeit badly), what genuine differences does that leave for the Linux community to exploit?
There have been a lot of good reasons already posted. But the one that really endeared me to Linux was automation. Shell scripts are powerful! I wrote my own diary program, download comics every night for offline viewing on a single page, ftp files in the middle of the night, start certain programs when starting X depending on the time of day, maintain a mailing list, etc... And behind the scripts are all of the command line utilities: sed, grep, wget, find, ls, tar, gzip, xtpanel, ...and countlesss more. Windows programs tend to be GUI centric. You run the GUI, hit the buttons. GUIs require manual intervention. Even with scheduling software, there's no way to start many Windows programs in a non-interactive mode. The Unix/Linux text based utilities aren't pretty to the eyes. But I can automate them. Run 'em from cron or within another program. And I won't even try to list all of the compilers/interpretors that are available for free (i.e. no cost). It's a programmer's dream. Of course that's what some users and critics don't like about Linux: too many cryptic commands that run from a command line. To each his own. -- Robert Wohlfarth rjwohlfar@bigfoot.com "My theory's right. Reality needs to be fixed." -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
rjwohlfar@bigfoot.com wrote:
On 7 Jul, Derek Fountain wrote:
This isn't strictly SuSE related, but it is Linux related.
What are the fundamental differences between Linux and Windows these days? I can think of graphics, which is totally different, and disks/mount points which are handled differently. With Windows becoming network-ed (albeit badly), what genuine differences does that leave for the Linux community to exploit?
There have been a lot of good reasons already posted. But the one that really endeared me to Linux was automation. Shell scripts are powerful!
Well, M$ has an answer to this: Windows scripting host. Very useful. very powerful. Very well documented. Often used. particulary when the user is unaware of it reading anonymous love letters. Sadly, M$ failed to add the nessesarry securety (user dependent rights on files) to their systems...
I wrote my own diary program, download comics every night for offline viewing on a single page, ftp files in the middle of the night, start certain programs when starting X depending on the time of day, maintain a mailing list, etc...
I did that too: updating my local SDB that way. But stopped that two years back.
And behind the scripts are all of the command line utilities: sed, grep, wget, find, ls, tar, gzip, xtpanel, ...and countlesss more. Windows programs tend to be GUI centric. You run the GUI, hit the buttons. GUIs require manual intervention. Even with scheduling software, there's no way to start many Windows programs in a non-interactive mode.
We had an Office97 course at work, since the lecturer dan done introduction to WinNT as well someone asked a NT related question at the courses end: "I like a list on my dis[c,k]'s structure, files and all the lot. How can I print it from NT?" "Well, go to explorer, press PRINT, start winword, ...." Guess what the left wing penguin guerilla said hearing this answer... I send him to the DOS shell and tought him "tree". He admidted a zero knowledge of basic DOS. There is no way in all of NT to do this.
The Unix/Linux text based utilities aren't pretty to the eyes. But I can automate them. Run 'em from cron or within another program. And I won't even try to list all of the compilers/interpretors that are available for free (i.e. no cost). It's a programmer's dream.
exactly. I *hated* Unix because of the shell. With linux I learned that there were tools about that could help me, but they are not standard if you buy AIX or whatever and nobody would care to install them for users. With that knowledge I had to turn my hatred to those that refuse me the use of these tools, but not the system itself.
Of course that's what some users and critics don't like about Linux: too many cryptic commands that run from a command line. To each his own.
one of a thousend examples comes to mind: cdrecord and xcdroast. You can "remote control" these tools from a nice graphical program as well. Juergen
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On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Derek Fountain wrote: df> This isn't strictly SuSE related, but it is Linux related. df> df> What are the fundamental differences between Linux and df> Windows these days? I can think of graphics, which is df> totally different, and disks/mount points which are handled df> differently. With Windows becoming network-ed (albeit df> badly), what genuine differences does that leave for the df> Linux community to exploit? df> Well, my personal opinion is that unless the program is linux native, its going to run slow, ie: Netscape, Staroffice, Wordperfect, etc.. they work and get the job done quite well, but tend to run slower then similar on a windows machine with similar hardware. But, the slowness hasn't stopped me from using them regularly, and probably won't, I just have to put up with it I guess :) df> -- S.Toms - tomas@primenet.com - www.primenet.com/~tomas SuSE Linux v6.4+ - Kernel 2.2.16 When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. -- Thomas Paine -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Hi Derek, Keep on trying, is good for us. Wooow, such a long thread !!!!!!! Good evangelist. =:`) Eduardo Derek Fountain wrote:
This isn't strictly SuSE related, but it is Linux related.
What are the fundamental differences between Linux and Windows these days? I can think of graphics, which is totally different, and disks/mount points which are handled differently. With Windows becoming network-ed (albeit badly), what genuine differences does that leave for the Linux community to exploit?
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