[opensuse] Initial Boot Failure
I am not experienced with Linux and this is my first attempt to load SUSE. I downloaded the 32 bit version of the full DVD using bit torrent and burned a DVD. I installed on my old Gateway with P-486 running 3 GHz with 2 gig of memory. The install used the recommended partitioning and appeared to run normally except that the re-boot to the hard drive failed. (Note: The onscreen text did not say to remove the DVD as stated in step 6 of the installation guide.) It displayed the green screen with the logo in the center. The system did not respond to any input. I did not record the time but the green screen was up for more than 5 minutes before I forced a shutdown. The system was not connected to my network and the only failures I noted on the BW list was network connection were not established. I restarted from the DVD and ran disk validation (100%), then reran the installation with the same results described above. This time I left the green screen up for at least 30 minutes to be sure some long running process could complete. I removed the DVD, forced the shutdown and re-stared the system. This time YaST2 automatic configuration started but did not run to completion, ending with the system stalled and not responding to any input. So far, I have found no hints in the online information other than to re-burn the DVD at a slower speed. I did a re-download of openSUSE-11.4-DVD-i586.iso using FinalTorrent, validated the both MD5 and sha1 checksum , burned a DVD but could not control the speed, validated the burn, verified the media before running a complete install. YaST2 stopped once during package install but loaded the file after the retry. The system was connected to the network for this installation. System restart appeared to run normally up to about 3/4 of the progress bar. I forced the system to power down after about an hour at this point. I have photos of most of the screens presented in the installation. Any additional suggestions or recommendations? Any suggestions on how to research this issue (search terms)? -- Jack D. McKinney Walnut Glenn Systems 5001 Jennie Kate Lane Lexington, KY 40510 Phone: 859.233.4299 Cell: 859.433.4299 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:48:29 -0400, Jack McKinney wrote:
I installed on my old Gateway with P-486 running 3 GHz with 2 gig of memory.
Are you saying that this CPU is an 80486? If you are, you should be aware that most of the openSUSE packages (if not all) require at least a Pentium processor. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 30/06/11 05:38, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:48:29 -0400, Jack McKinney wrote:
I installed on my old Gateway with P-486 running 3 GHz with 2 gig of memory. Are you saying that this CPU is an 80486? If you are, you should be aware that most of the openSUSE packages (if not all) require at least a Pentium processor.
Jim
I would be very impressed with an 80486 clocked at 3GHz :D Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 30/06/11 05:38, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:48:29 -0400, Jack McKinney wrote:
I installed on my old Gateway with P-486 running 3 GHz with 2 gig of memory. Are you saying that this CPU is an 80486? If you are, you should be aware that most of the openSUSE packages (if not all) require at least a Pentium processor.
Jim
I would be very impressed with an 80486 clocked at 3GHz :D
Yup. Add 2Gb of memory to that, what a beast. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 06:48:11 +0100, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 30/06/11 05:38, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:48:29 -0400, Jack McKinney wrote:
I installed on my old Gateway with P-486 running 3 GHz with 2 gig of memory. Are you saying that this CPU is an 80486? If you are, you should be aware that most of the openSUSE packages (if not all) require at least a Pentium processor.
Jim
I would be very impressed with an 80486 clocked at 3GHz :D
As would I, but given he wrote P-486, clarification is clearly needed. :) Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jim Henderson wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:48:29 -0400, Jack McKinney wrote:
I installed on my old Gateway with P-486 running 3 GHz with 2 gig of memory.
Are you saying that this CPU is an 80486? If you are, you should be aware that most of the openSUSE packages (if not all) require at least a Pentium processor.
I don't think there are many 486 CPUs running at 3 GHz. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:48:29 -0400 Jack McKinney <jackdmckinney@insightbb.com> wrote:
I am not experienced with Linux and this is my first attempt to load SUSE.
Hi Jack, You've selected a great distribution for a first install. Sorry you're having a bad experience, but these things happen and it shouldn't be too difficult to troubleshoot what's going on. Helping you would be a lot easier if you posted more detailed information about the target hardware; make, model, mainboard #, cpu #, dvd drive #, graphics card/chipset, hard drive(s) & interfaces, NIC chipset, etc. regards, Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 30/06/11 04:48, Jack McKinney wrote:
I am not experienced with Linux and this is my first attempt to load SUSE.
I downloaded the 32 bit version of the full DVD using bit torrent and burned a DVD. I installed on my old Gateway with P-486 running 3 GHz with 2 gig of memory. The install used the recommended partitioning and appeared to run normally except that the re-boot to the hard drive failed. (Note: The onscreen text did not say to remove the DVD as stated in step 6 of the installation guide.) It displayed the green screen with the logo in the center. The system did not respond to any input. I did not record the time but the green screen was up for more than 5 minutes before I forced a shutdown. The system was not connected to my network and the only failures I noted on the BW list was network connection were not established.
I restarted from the DVD and ran disk validation (100%), then reran the installation with the same results described above. This time I left the green screen up for at least 30 minutes to be sure some long running process could complete. I removed the DVD, forced the shutdown and re-stared the system. This time YaST2 automatic configuration started but did not run to completion, ending with the system stalled and not responding to any input.
So far, I have found no hints in the online information other than to re-burn the DVD at a slower speed.
I did a re-download of openSUSE-11.4-DVD-i586.iso using FinalTorrent, validated the both MD5 and sha1 checksum , burned a DVD but could not control the speed, validated the burn, verified the media before running a complete install. YaST2 stopped once during package install but loaded the file after the retry. The system was connected to the network for this installation. System restart appeared to run normally up to about 3/4 of the progress bar. I forced the system to power down after about an hour at this point. I have photos of most of the screens presented in the installation.
Any additional suggestions or recommendations? Any suggestions on how to research this issue (search terms)?
On the boot screen (the green screen with the progress bar), before the system stops responding, press 'Esc' on your keyboard. That should display some text on the screen describing what's going on in the boot process. If the system stops while there is still text on the screen, it means the boot process stopped, describe the last few lines of output to us and we should be able to identify the problem. Otherwise, if you have autologin enabled (you probably do if you installed with default settings), you might get another green loading screen, very similar looking but this time with a small white 'K' in the top right corner. If it reaches this stage, it means loading the desktop environment is crashing, and we can debug that too. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Thank you to everyone for the quick support. I did an escape at boot, selected Failsafe, and now have a running SUSE system! (This was the second boot.) Everything seems to be working. I opened a new text document in office. Now running updates. And it is a P-4. Specs from Gateway site for model 505GR: Processor Brand Intel® Processor Class Pentium® 4 Processor with Hyper-Threading Technology 530 Processor Speed 3.0 GHz Bus Speed 800 MHz Cache Size 1 MB System Chipset Intel 915G Express Chipset Memory 2 gig (I added 1 Gig) Jack D. McKinney Walnut Glenn Systems 5001 Jennie Kate Lane Lexington, KY 40510 Phone: 859.233.4299 Cell: 859.433.4299 On 6/30/2011 1:56 AM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 30/06/11 04:48, Jack McKinney wrote:
I am not experienced with Linux and this is my first attempt to load SUSE.
I downloaded the 32 bit version of the full DVD using bit torrent and burned a DVD. I installed on my old Gateway with P-486 running 3 GHz with 2 gig of memory. The install used the recommended partitioning and appeared to run normally except that the re-boot to the hard drive failed. (Note: The onscreen text did not say to remove the DVD as stated in step 6 of the installation guide.) It displayed the green screen with the logo in the center. The system did not respond to any input. I did not record the time but the green screen was up for more than 5 minutes before I forced a shutdown. The system was not connected to my network and the only failures I noted on the BW list was network connection were not established.
I restarted from the DVD and ran disk validation (100%), then reran the installation with the same results described above. This time I left the green screen up for at least 30 minutes to be sure some long running process could complete. I removed the DVD, forced the shutdown and re-stared the system. This time YaST2 automatic configuration started but did not run to completion, ending with the system stalled and not responding to any input.
So far, I have found no hints in the online information other than to re-burn the DVD at a slower speed.
I did a re-download of openSUSE-11.4-DVD-i586.iso using FinalTorrent, validated the both MD5 and sha1 checksum , burned a DVD but could not control the speed, validated the burn, verified the media before running a complete install. YaST2 stopped once during package install but loaded the file after the retry. The system was connected to the network for this installation. System restart appeared to run normally up to about 3/4 of the progress bar. I forced the system to power down after about an hour at this point. I have photos of most of the screens presented in the installation.
Any additional suggestions or recommendations? Any suggestions on how to research this issue (search terms)?
On the boot screen (the green screen with the progress bar), before the system stops responding, press 'Esc' on your keyboard. That should display some text on the screen describing what's going on in the boot process.
If the system stops while there is still text on the screen, it means the boot process stopped, describe the last few lines of output to us and we should be able to identify the problem. Otherwise, if you have autologin enabled (you probably do if you installed with default settings), you might get another green loading screen, very similar looking but this time with a small white 'K' in the top right corner. If it reaches this stage, it means loading the desktop environment is crashing, and we can debug that too.
Regards, Tejas
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On 2011/06/30 09:11 (GMT-0400) Jack McKinney composed:
I did an escape at boot, selected Failsafe, and now have a running SUSE system! (This was the second boot.) Everything seems to be working. I opened a new text document in office. Now running updates.
And it is a P-4. Specs from Gateway site for model 505GR: Processor Brand Intel® Processor Class Pentium® 4 Processor with Hyper-Threading Technology 530 Processor Speed 3.0 GHz Bus Speed 800 MHz Cache Size 1 MB System Chipset Intel 915G Express Chipset Memory 2 gig (I added 1 Gig)
Is Windows still on it too? And/or some other Linux suspending to swap? I installed 11.4 multiboot on a pair of 2.8GHz P4HT i915G Dell GX280 systems with 2G RAM a month ago, and have no recollection of video trouble. Maybe Jack's CPU is too fast? ;-) I wonder of bootsplash or splashy could have something to do with his problem. I always taboo both of them during installation. Another difference is my cmdlines include noresume & video=1152x864. If Jack's still running with nomodeset after doing his updates, he'll need to tweak until that's not necessary for best X performance, especially if he's not using a 4:3 or 5:4 display device. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 6/30/2011 10:11 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/06/30 09:11 (GMT-0400) Jack McKinney composed:
I did an escape at boot, selected Failsafe, and now have a running SUSE system! (This was the second boot.) Everything seems to be working. I opened a new text document in office. Now running updates.
And it is a P-4. Specs from Gateway site for model 505GR: Processor Brand Intel® Processor Class Pentium® 4 Processor with Hyper-Threading Technology 530 Processor Speed 3.0 GHz Bus Speed 800 MHz Cache Size 1 MB System Chipset Intel 915G Express Chipset Memory 2 gig (I added 1 Gig)
Is Windows still on it too? And/or some other Linux suspending to swap?
I installed 11.4 multiboot on a pair of 2.8GHz P4HT i915G Dell GX280 systems with 2G RAM a month ago, and have no recollection of video trouble. Maybe Jack's CPU is too fast? ;-)
I wonder of bootsplash or splashy could have something to do with his problem. I always taboo both of them during installation. Another difference is my cmdlines include noresume & video=1152x864.
If Jack's still running with nomodeset after doing his updates, he'll need to tweak until that's not necessary for best X performance, especially if he's not using a 4:3 or 5:4 display device. Still not running. I ran updates then shutdown. Boot to SUSE after normal shutdown hangs with a blank screen. Forced power reset and boot with Failsafe also hangs with the following: System boot Control: the system has been setup Skipped Features: boot.cycle System Boot control: Running /etc/iniy.d/boot.local done INIT: Entering run level 5 Root logging started on /dev/tty1(dev/console) at Thu Jun 30 11:06:07 2011 Master Resource Control: previous runlevel N, switching to runlevel: 5 Master Resource Control: Running /etc/init.d/before.local done blogd: Can not read from fd 0: Input/output error Starting D-Bus daemon done Loading basic firewall rules done
I have Windows XP on a drive that is not powered since it is failing. I had Fedora on the drive where I installed SUSE but I think the partitioning has wiped that out. I did not install multiboot. Display is E-Machines E211H 1920x1080. As a nube, I have to ask how to make the recommended changes? Jack D. McKinney Walnut Glenn Systems 5001 Jennie Kate Lane Lexington, KY 40510 Phone: 859.233.4299 Cell: 859.433.4299 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jack McKinney wrote:
Still not running. I ran updates then shutdown. Boot to SUSE after normal shutdown hangs with a blank screen.
As Felix suggested, try booting with "nomodeset" (assuming you haven't already). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/06/30 11:25 (GMT-0400) Jack McKinney composed:
Still not running. I ran updates then shutdown. Boot to SUSE after normal shutdown hangs with a blank screen. Forced power reset and boot with Failsafe also hangs with the following: ... I have Windows XP on a drive that is not powered since it is failing. I had Fedora on the drive where I installed SUSE but I think the partitioning has wiped that out. I did not install multiboot.
Display is E-Machines E211H 1920x1080.
As a nube, I have to ask how to make the recommended changes?
With the additional info, I recommend starting all over. First decide if WXP is going to go back onto the system on either the Linux HD, or a separate HD, old or new. If it's going back, decide where. If you want it on the same HD as Linux, how to best go about it depends on your available WXP installation media. Those available in recent years are usually quite belligerent, restoring the whole HD to OEM status without regard to anything that may be installed there and working. If that's your only option, then you should do that first, then back it up, then begin the Linux installation process. If WXP is going to go back on a separate HD, you need to install Linux while both HDs are connected in their usual physical configuration. Otherwise you'll most likely break bootability of one or the other or both. Whether WXP is going back or not, it's wise to configure the HD Linux goes on so that at least two Linux versions can be available for boot. Once the first is installed and operational, the second will eventually be there for testing the waters prior to choosing that upgrade or switch path, leaving the original as fallback to at least facilitate repair if and when anything goes haywire on the second or later. The openSUSE installer is capable of repartitioning after you've restored or installed WXP, so I recommend taking advantage of that capability, and set aside space for at least two Linux distros, plus a separate partition or logical volume for Linux's /home (user data). Another option available if you're not stuck with bad WXP restore media is to (wipe and) fully partition the HD prior to installing _anything_. This is the approach I always use, always partitioning (with a cross-platform partitioning tool to maximize compatibility) fully before installing anything whatsoever. I have over 25 multiboot systems (most with at least 4 installed operating systems, many with more than 10) on the premises here. Take a look at http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/install-doz-after.html before proceeding to actually do or decide anything further. In any event, changing disk count, and particularly changing disk order, can be, and usually is, a very troubling experience best avoided. So, decide what you ultimately want before moving forward if you want to minimize future hassles. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jack McKinney wrote:
The install used the recommended partitioning and appeared to run normally except that the re-boot to the hard drive failed. (Note: The onscreen text did not say to remove the DVD as stated in step 6 of the installation guide.)
If the installation DVD is not removed, it will be booted, but then default to booting from harddisk.
It displayed the green screen with the logo in the center. The system did not respond to any input. I did not record the time but the green screen was up for more than 5 minutes before I forced a shutdown. The system was not connected to my network and the only failures I noted on the BW list was network connection were not established.
Wild guess - video problem. Did you try hitting escape by any chance? It might be worth trying a new boot with "vga=normal" at the grub command line. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/06/30 08:36 (GMT+0200) Per Jessen composed:
It might be worth trying a new boot with "vga=normal" at the grub command line.
Possibly, but if his gfxchip is supported by KMS and his display's EDID is valid, the effect would only be temporary. Absent video=preferredmode on cmdline, KMS chooses mode based upon EDID, not whatever vga= may be found on cmdline. More likely he needs to try the failsafe Grub menu option, or try adding nomodeset to the default Grub kernel line. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/06/30 08:36 (GMT+0200) Per Jessen composed:
It might be worth trying a new boot with "vga=normal" at the grub command line.
Possibly, but if his gfxchip is supported by KMS and his display's EDID is valid, the effect would only be temporary. Absent video=preferredmode on cmdline, KMS chooses mode based upon EDID, not whatever vga= may be found on cmdline.
More likely he needs to try the failsafe Grub menu option, or try adding nomodeset to the default Grub kernel line.
You're right, I forgot about nomodeset. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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