On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 10:39 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:

On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 20:43 +1000, scsijon wrote:

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I have been asked to setup a number of single computers for a transport firm.

They have no problem with it being linux providing everything they have now, they will have afterwards as they are expanding from the current four depots and twelve staff and have planned to have fifteen depots and about twenty five staff by the end of the year.

Unfortunately one of the principal packages they use was written for a Native Windows environment.

Fortunately the programmer is a local and after some "discussion" is willing to create a linux version as he is writing a major upgrade at present and providing I can help him, and with some answers

The main problem left is that it uses a mail program as part of it's functions (currently Eudora) and I need to provide him with a replacement that has a scriptable interface. He would like whichever is used to both have windows and linux versions so he only has to create one version of source code.

Any sugestions?

IIRC Eudora runs under wine.

I just had a look at the Eudora site, it's been discontinued, and picked up by Mozilla as Penelope. The company may not be able to use this on their new systems. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-05-13 at 17:31 +0200, Rikard Johnels wrote:

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The main problem left is that it uses a mail program as part of it's functions (currently Eudora) and I need to provide him with a replacement that has a scriptable interface. He would like whichever is used to both have windows and linux versions so he only has to create one version of source code.

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As stated above, what do you need of Eudora's functionality? The mail client for reading? The addressbook for sending of mails?

You just have to read above the original mail from the OP: |> ... that has a scriptable interface. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGR1FCtTMYHG2NR9URArkFAJ0eCsua1+jG/6csvBEkcV/Wzbk42gCfUoen /890XrPGuClHD3ndtRV6EH4= =+p/4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-05-13 at 20:10 +0200, jdd wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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| > ... that has a scriptable interface.

why not use "mail" ??

We'll have to wait till "scsijon" clarifies what they need. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGR16utTMYHG2NR9URAqa9AJsGGSK8Vdp+Qq/zdtBGaAUWc3o7IwCeIkfJ 9oLSHK5KjS1S22kr2jqsphw= =XOxI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

At 01:31 AM 5/14/2007, Rikard Johnels wrote:

On Sunday 13 May 2007 17:05, Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 10:39 -0400, Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 20:43 +1000, scsijon wrote:

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I have been asked to setup a number of single computers for a transport firm.

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Any sugestions?

IIRC Eudora runs under wine.

I just had a look at the Eudora site, it's been discontinued, and picked up by Mozilla as Penelope. The company may not be able to use this on their new systems.

And why would they want run a windows application under wine when they WANT to migrate to Linux???

As stated above, what do you need of Eudora's functionality? The mail client for reading? The addressbook for sending of mails?

i have no detailed idea, i'm not the programmer, just the installer but from what i understand, there are database links to move the various unit (palate) records between the sending > receiving offices using the mail system. Aparently Eudora's scripting is easy to use and very database compatable, acording to the programmer. It's not simple, but it does work for them and saves having to have direct or permanent links. scsijon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Scripting languages like Python, Perl, Ruby etc have libraries for both sending and receiving email, and parsing RFC2822 + MIME data. Those languages are mature on all relevant platforms, and all have good development tools. Why would you you a proprietary system when you can use a open (and free) system? I have been using claws-mail (www.claws-mail.org) for a number of years. It includes a perl plugin for advanced searches. While Eudora is an excellent product, IMHO, you are probably better off using a product

On Tue, 15 May 2007 21:40:07 +0200 "Theo v. Werkhoven" wrote: that is natively built on Linux. Claws supports both Windows and Linux, is actively maintained. You can build from source or install from RPMs. The two features that I like are that it fully supports MH folders (as well as MBOX), and it can access the jpilot address book directly. My wife has Eudora, and I find that claws has much of the same functionality. But, one capability that claws does not have is the ability to send html (IMHO a good thing). However, I would love to see how Eudora performs under WINE or Crossover Office (Crossover Office is a commercial product that incorporates WINE and is tested for many Windows apps. The CodeWeavers team also hosts and supports WINE). -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9

At 11:56 PM 5/17/2007, Jerry Feldman wrote:

On Tue, 15 May 2007 21:40:07 +0200 "Theo v. Werkhoven" wrote:

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Scripting languages like Python, Perl, Ruby etc have libraries for both sending and receiving email, and parsing RFC2822 + MIME data. Those languages are mature on all relevant platforms, and all have good development tools. Why would you you a proprietary system when you can use a open (and free) system?

firstly, to theo it works! the programmer (DEFINATELY NOT ME) knows her current package code "backwards" she is just starting with linux and will still need to support windows as she has other clients that use the same program in the windows environment.

I have been using claws-mail (www.claws-mail.org) for a number of years. It includes a perl plugin for advanced searches. While Eudora is an excellent product, IMHO, you are probably better off using a product that is natively built on Linux. Claws supports both Windows and Linux, is actively maintained. You can build from source or install from RPMs. The two features that I like are that it fully supports MH folders (as well as MBOX), and it can access the jpilot address book directly. My wife has Eudora, and I find that claws has much of the same functionality. But, one capability that claws does not have is the ability to send html (IMHO a good thing).

I will have a look at it and see if it will suit her

However, I would love to see how Eudora performs under WINE or Crossover Office (Crossover Office is a commercial product that incorporates WINE and is tested for many Windows apps. The CodeWeavers team also hosts and supports WINE).

I am setting up a wine environment at present and will have a go at installing Eudora and openoffice2 (easy to use database) next week together with some"rough" code she has created to try it out with. One of the wine people has Eudora working, they say ok with little hastles and little delays. thanks to eveyone for help so far, will give feedback at end of month. scsijon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 13 May 2007, Pueblo Native wrote:

John Andersen wrote:

But I was thinking, why do you even need an _external_ mail program. Depending upon your system, wouldn't using a SMTP control or even library be easier, depending upon what you needed to do exactly.

As someone who has had to do that, I can tell you it gets fairly complex, especially when a varying number of attachments are to be sent. If you can find a library it would of course be easier but there are still a zillion options you may have to implement and you might end up writing it closer to the platform than you really wanted. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 13 May 2007 16:36, Pueblo Native wrote:

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There is that, but is there a version of mail that works on Windows applications exactly the way the linux version does?

Cygwin has something. Once upon a time, when I was forced to do development on the beast that is Windows, I integrated the mailing of change notices into CVS (all under Cygwin). The mail-sending tool is called "ssmtp" (simple SMTP). Naturally, it's scriptable, since it's a command-line tool. With Cygwin, Windows can be tolerated and made to do useful work. http://cygwin.com/ Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 14 May 2007, Registration Account said:

I would bight the bullet now and commit to Thunderbird. I went through this same process when 10.2 RC and Evolution were not compatible with major bug (blocker) issue.

I hope you don't mind if I refute some of your assertions. I feel that Thunderbird is a fine program, but such an outspoken attack on the alternatives is unjustified. I would also ask you to consider that the use of large applications that stand alone with no infrastructure shared with the rest of the desktop wastes an opportunity for code reuse, resulting in a bigger memory footprint and a slower system.

3. Not written or constrained now or in the future (add-ons excepted) to another mail server - Groupwise.

You need to review your understanding of cause and effect. Just because Novell develops XYZ and Novell sells GroupWise doesn't mean that XYZ would ever be constrained to or written around GroupWise. GW is an enterprise sized system - however, many Novell customers and the overwhelming majority of community members do not need an enterprise sized mail system - hence we also put a lot of work into making POP, SMTP and IMAP as good as any other client.

5. Complexity in Kmail for a new user - over engineered to the max and possible future dependants on KDE Desktop

We make the easy things easy and the hard things possible. Just doing the former is unacceptable IMO. With regard to desktop dependency doubts, our KDE 3 packaging of KMail depends only on kdelibs3, and kdebase3 for SMTP. It does not require you to use KMail under a KDE desktop, nor are there any difference in features if you do not. Our password manager, kwallet, and our out of process smtp, imap and pop subsystems all function indepedently of what is running the desktop. The KDE 4 packaging will take this separation even further so that you can install separate applications from a KDE module. Instead of kdelibs3, kdebase3 and kdepim3 you can install libkde4, kdepimlibs and kde4-kmail, which are much smaller packages.

7. Mega serious attitude/cultural issues with KDE in relation to bugs.

I beg your pardon?

8. Here to stay - Designed to run with Linux O/S Kernel not particular Desktop.

The KDE project celebrated its 10th anniversary last year, and is larger than ever. Additionally we design to run with any *nix kernel, and KDE 4 will bring KMail and family to OSX and Windows platforms, to ease users' migration to a completely Free Software desktop.

9. Add-on GPL - so many of them - seems like they are common place and should fulfil your "scripting needs". 10. Standard Mbox and Vcard formatting of files.

Check - for KMail and Evolution too, I think

12. Standard GPL on whole package.

Check. GPL and LGPL on libs, like Mozilla*.

15. GUI current issues with Evolution KDE desktop.

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19. No backward updates of suse.de applications. Example if you have Open Office and run 10.1 you wont get enhancements auto scheduled for version 10.2 updates. - exception security issues.

10.2 is the update to 10.1. But we do provide these backward updates on an unsupported basis in the KDE:Backports obss repository. Will -- Desktop Engineer Interfaces and Applications Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org