[opensuse] Gimmie my old menus back!
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi <rant> I am horrified by the user unfriendliness of the new KDE start menu. I think I am going insane, searching like a maniac trying to find apps. What was once a piece of cake is now a nightmare! </rant> How do I remove it and replace it with the old "inefficient" menu? If someone could point me to the discussion/arguments of how this was supposed to be easier to use I would be greatfull. - -- Regards Kenneth Aar -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFaygUMrkZx1uu3OwRAhIeAJ9Xe+lGPx8XEua8HZpo6BIFjxZ22QCgx8u2 trS84GFdSWH3vJHesI92aqI= =E3ue -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 November 2006 18:01, Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote:
Hi
<rant>
I am horrified by the user unfriendliness of the new KDE start menu. I think I am going insane, searching like a maniac trying to find apps. What was once a piece of cake is now a nightmare! </rant>
How do I remove it and replace it with the old "inefficient" menu?
Right click on geeko and choose "Switch to KDE style menu". Simple!
If someone could point me to the discussion/arguments of how this was supposed to be easier to use I would be greatfull.
Can't help you there. Personally, I'm getting used to it quite quickly...YMMV Cheers Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 November 2006 19:01, Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote:
Hi
<rant>
I am horrified by the user unfriendliness of the new KDE start menu. I think I am going insane, searching like a maniac trying to find apps. What was once a piece of cake is now a nightmare!
</rant>
How do I remove it and replace it with the old "inefficient" menu?
If someone could point me to the discussion/arguments of how this was supposed to be easier to use I would be greatfull.
-- Regards Kenneth Aar
Right click on the Start menu button, "Switch to KDE Menu Style" ;)
On Monday 27 November 2006 18:01, Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote:
Hi
<rant>
I am horrified by the user unfriendliness of the new KDE start menu. I think I am going insane, searching like a maniac trying to find apps. What was once a piece of cake is now a nightmare!
</rant>
How do I remove it and replace it with the old "inefficient" menu?
If someone could point me to the discussion/arguments of how this was supposed to be easier to use I would be greatfull.
-- Regards Kenneth Aar
Well, Kenneth, I don't think that I would put quite that strongly but I do agree with you. On the other hand, I guess once I've used it for a bit I "might" get used to it. However, it would be nice to have the option to return to the familiar if things get too frustrating. Eddie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 November 2006 18:01, Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote:
Hi
<rant>
I am horrified by the user unfriendliness of the new KDE start menu. I think I am going insane, searching like a maniac trying to find apps. What was once a piece of cake is now a nightmare!
</rant>
How do I remove it and replace it with the old "inefficient" menu?
If someone could point me to the discussion/arguments of how this was supposed to be easier to use I would be greatfull.
-- Regards Kenneth Aar
Well, Kenneth, I don't think that I would put quite that strongly but I do agree with you. On the other hand, I guess once I've used it for a bit I "might" get used to it. However, it would be nice to have the option to return to the familiar if things get too frustrating. Like someone else has said just right click on the start menu an Switch to KDE Menu Style. that will take you back to the old style of
At 12:00 PM 11/27/2006, eddieleprince wrote: the menu options. I too was bit confused til I did that. jack -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 November 2006 18:46, Jack Malone wrote:
At 12:00 PM 11/27/2006, eddieleprince wrote:
On Monday 27 November 2006 18:01, Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote:
Hi
<rant>
I am horrified by the user unfriendliness of the new KDE start menu. I think I am going insane, searching like a maniac trying to find apps. What was once a piece of cake is now a nightmare!
</rant>
How do I remove it and replace it with the old "inefficient" menu?
If someone could point me to the discussion/arguments of how this was supposed to be easier to use I would be greatfull.
-- Regards Kenneth Aar
Well, Kenneth, I don't think that I would put quite that strongly but I do agree with you. On the other hand, I guess once I've used it for a bit I "might" get used to it. However, it would be nice to have the option to return to the familiar if things get too frustrating.
Like someone else has said just right click on the start menu an Switch to KDE Menu Style. that will take you back to the old style of the menu options. I too was bit confused til I did that.
That's good to know thanks but just out of curiosity, is there anyone who actually likes the new menu style? Eddie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 18:58 +0000, eddieleprince wrote:
On Monday 27 November 2006 18:46, Jack Malone wrote:
That's good to know thanks but just out of curiosity, is there anyone who actually likes the new menu style?
Eddie
I like the new menu style, but I don't like that I have to wear out my mouse by having to click on all of the sub-menu buttons to navigate further. The old style only required that you hover the mouse over the sub menus to access them. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I like the new menu style, but I don't like that I have to wear out my mouse by having to click on all of the sub-menu buttons to navigate further. The old style only required that you hover the mouse over the sub menus to access them.
I'm undecided on this new menu thing. It might be good once I get used to it, but the endless clicking _is_ annoying. SUSE isn't the only one using it... the latest release of Sabayon also used the new menu thingy. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006/11/27 21:54 (GMT+0100) Clayton apparently typed:
On 2006/11/27 14:38 (GMT-0500) Kenneth Schneider apparently typed:
On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 18:58 +0000, eddieleprince wrote:
On Monday 27 November 2006 18:46, Jack Malone wrote:
That's good to know thanks but just out of curiosity, is there anyone who actually likes the new menu style?
I like the new menu style, but I don't like that I have to wear out my mouse by having to click on all of the sub-menu buttons to navigate further. The old style only required that you hover the mouse over the sub menus to access them.
I'm undecided on this new menu thing. It might be good once I get used to it, but the endless clicking _is_ annoying. SUSE isn't the only one using it... the latest release of Sabayon also used the new menu thingy.
Looks like aroung 5+ to 1 against the new so far. The new seems to be emulating windoz XP, which I think is dismal compared to KDE std or windoz 98. -- "Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven." Matthew 5:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 November 2006 21:31, Felix Miata wrote:
Looks like aroung 5+ to 1 against the new so far. The new seems to be emulating windoz XP, which I think is dismal compared to KDE std or windoz 98.
I'm still waiting for the conspiracy theory about the Novell-Microsoft deal and the menu change :) FWIW, I think the new menu is a nice choice to have. It can always be chnged back by 2 mouse clicks. No need for anyone to stress. Cheers Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I'm undecided on this new menu thing. It might be good once I get used to it, but the endless clicking _is_ annoying.
I like the old style much better but have not played with it much in the new setting. just got opensus 10.2 beta installed today an been having to reload windows on a machine in my bosses office so not had much time to devote to the new install yet. jack
Looks like aroung 5+ to 1 against the new so far. The new seems to be emulating windoz XP, which I think is dismal compared to KDE std or windoz 98. -- "Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven." Matthew 5:12 NIV
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Felix Miata wrote:
On 2006/11/27 21:54 (GMT+0100) Clayton apparently typed:
I'm undecided on this new menu thing. It might be good once I get used to it, but the endless clicking _is_ annoying. SUSE isn't the only one using it... the latest release of Sabayon also used the new menu thingy.
Looks like aroung 5+ to 1 against the new so far. The new seems to be emulating windoz XP, which I think is dismal compared to KDE std or windoz 98.
If only they'd look to the OS/2 WPS for inspiration. That's one fantastic desktop! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 November 2006 12:39, James Knott wrote:
Looks like aroung 5+ to 1 against the new so far. The new seems to be emulating windoz XP, which I think is dismal compared to KDE std or windoz 98.
If only they'd look to the OS/2 WPS for inspiration. That's one fantastic desktop!
Ah, come on you old OS/2 farts just never give up do you... ;-) I never saw anything in OS/2s menuing system that was any better than the traditional Kmenu. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006/11/27 18:57 (GMT-0900) John Andersen apparently typed:
On Monday 27 November 2006 12:39, James Knott wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
Looks like aroung 5+ to 1 against the new so far. The new seems to be emulating windoz XP, which I think is dismal compared to KDE std or windoz 98.
If only they'd look to the OS/2 WPS for inspiration. That's one fantastic desktop!
Ah, come on you old OS/2 farts just never give up do you... ;-)
I never saw anything in OS/2s menuing system that was any better than the traditional Kmenu.
When someone mentions the OS/2 desktop, it's not about its menuing system, which was years better than anything else when it first came out, and I'm still using 24/7. It's about the whole desktop environment, which is arguably still better than anything else, and better for certain than WinXP or any Gnome version I've ever seen. -- "Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven." Matthew 5:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 November 2006 19:57, John Andersen wrote:
On Monday 27 November 2006 12:39, James Knott wrote:
Looks like aroung 5+ to 1 against the new so far. The new seems to be emulating windoz XP, which I think is dismal compared to KDE std or windoz 98.
If only they'd look to the OS/2 WPS for inspiration. That's one fantastic desktop!
Ah, come on you old OS/2 farts just never give up do you... ;-)
I never saw anything in OS/2s menuing system that was any better than the traditional Kmenu.
You kidding? Presentation Manager rocked! http://www.os2.cz/images/clanky/os2_13_desktop1.jpg -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 November 2006 19:52, Kai Ponte wrote:
I never saw anything in OS/2s menuing system that was any better than the traditional Kmenu.
You kidding? Presentation Manager rocked!
Let me recommend something that will make all the OS/2 guys feel right at home: http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/Nuno_Alexandre-1600x1200/screenshot... why its enough to make an OS/2'er swoon. And, No, I'm not dissing fwvm2, I have a couple old machines that really work well with it. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Nov 27, 2006, at 11:14 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On Monday 27 November 2006 19:52, Kai Ponte wrote:
I never saw anything in OS/2s menuing system that was any better than the traditional Kmenu.
You kidding? Presentation Manager rocked!
Let me recommend something that will make all the OS/2 guys feel right at home: http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/Nuno_Alexandre-1600x1200/ screenshot.jpg why its enough to make an OS/2'er swoon.
And, No, I'm not dissing fwvm2, I have a couple old machines that really work well with it.
ick! So I should make my Linux box look like my Mac did circa 2001? Please .. are you really serious about this? I'd rather not. :D - Ben -- Envy, n: Wishing you'd been born with an unfair advantage instead of having to try and acquire one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-11-27 23:32, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
On Nov 27, 2006, at 11:14 PM, John Andersen wrote:
<snip> Let me recommend something that will make all the OS/2 guys feel right at home: http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/Nuno_Alexandre-1600x1200/screenshot...
why its enough to make an OS/2'er swoon.
ick! So I should make my Linux box look like my Mac did circa 2001? Please .. are you really serious about this? I'd rather not. :D
But it's such a pretty OS/2 blue :-) -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Nov 28, 2006, at 12:03 AM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-27 23:32, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
On Nov 27, 2006, at 11:14 PM, John Andersen wrote:
<snip> Let me recommend something that will make all the OS/2 guys feel right at home: http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/Nuno_Alexandre-1600x1200/ screenshot.jpg
why its enough to make an OS/2'er swoon.
ick! So I should make my Linux box look like my Mac did circa 2001? Please .. are you really serious about this? I'd rather not. :D
But it's such a pretty OS/2 blue :-)
I'd rather colour the default FVWM2 theme blue .. it would be closer. And all those pinstripes! Oh my! -- Envy, n: Wishing you'd been born with an unfair advantage instead of having to try and acquire one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 November 2006 21:14, John Andersen wrote:
On Monday 27 November 2006 19:52, Kai Ponte wrote:
I never saw anything in OS/2s menuing system that was any better than the traditional Kmenu.
You kidding? Presentation Manager rocked!
Let me recommend something that will make all the OS/2 guys feel right at home: http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/Nuno_Alexandre-1600x1200/screensho t.jpg why its enough to make an OS/2'er swoon.
Yuck! What is that Gnome gone bad after it has sat in the fridge way too long? :P I suppose we all have our faves. I go for simplicity. http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/2006/desktop1.jpg
And, No, I'm not dissing fwvm2, I have a couple old machines that really work well with it.
I often use that when using VNC to remote administer desktops. -- kai www.perfectreign.com || www.4thedadz.com a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Kai Ponte
You kidding? Presentation Manager rocked!
nah.... sett http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/screen.shot.jpg background from a Reds-Cardinals Baseball game in Cincinatti earlier this year. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Patrick Shanahan
nah.... sett http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/screen.shot.jpg
background from a Reds-Cardinals Baseball game in Cincinatti earlier this year.
:^( that's Cincinnati :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On Monday 27 November 2006 12:39, James Knott wrote:
Looks like aroung 5+ to 1 against the new so far. The new seems to be emulating windoz XP, which I think is dismal compared to KDE std or windoz 98.
If only they'd look to the OS/2 WPS for inspiration. That's one fantastic desktop!
Ah, come on you old OS/2 farts just never give up do you... ;-)
I never saw anything in OS/2s menuing system that was any better than the traditional Kmenu.
There's much more to the OS/2 desktop than the menuing system. The extended attributes supported a huge amount (64K bytes) of data about each item. It included things like history, key words, comments etc., all searchable Also, the icon on the desktop was part of the file, so the file couldn't get "lost" if it was moved etc. One nice thing I recall, from my Compuserve days, was that when a zipped file was downloaded, the contents of "file.idz" (IIRC), was automatically included in the description tab of the icon. This was a text file that described the contents of the zipped file. There's a whole lot more that I've never seen elsewhere. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 28 November 2006 03:15, James Knott wrote:
There's much more to the OS/2 desktop than the menuing system. The extended attributes supported a huge amount (64K bytes) of data about each item. It included things like history, key words, comments etc., all searchable
Extended atts are available in lots of file systems. Even newer suse releases use user_xattr in mount points (although I'm not sure what it buys us at this stage). Its just that nobody has come up with a good cross platform way to do it and there are few real world uses for it that are compelling enough for it to be used widely. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:31 PM, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 28 November 2006 03:15, James Knott wrote:
There's much more to the OS/2 desktop than the menuing system. The extended attributes supported a huge amount (64K bytes) of data about each item. It included things like history, key words, comments etc., all searchable
Extended atts are available in lots of file systems. Even newer suse releases use user_xattr in mount points (although I'm not sure what it buys us at this stage).
Its just that nobody has come up with a good cross platform way to do it and there are few real world uses for it that are compelling enough for it to be used widely.
Interesting. This sounds like Spotlight in OS X. But no one uses OS X in the real world. ;D -- Envy, n: Wishing you'd been born with an unfair advantage instead of having to try and acquire one. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 James Knott wrote: | If only they'd look to the OS/2 WPS for inspiration. That's one fantastic desktop! Phuff. The Psion Netbook menues are by far the best ;-) (No I am kidding, Iconbased menues are not a good idea.) - -- Regards Kenneth Aar -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFbVlFMrkZx1uu3OwRAuKrAJ9Uw8AazSZfwh9kxejJlOOivnmM0ACfU8p6 JOuv3cInmUx8draHuvzbMGU= =DWY+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 November 2006 18:58, eddieleprince wrote:
That's good to know thanks but just out of curiosity, is there anyone who actually likes the new menu style?
Eddie
I'm starting to really like it. Took a bit of getting used to, but after finding out I could resize the menu height, remove and add favourites and generally mess about with the layout I'm starting to really get into the way it works. Takes a bit of getting used to, but it's worth it. Of course, the developers left a choice behind with the right click and choose' Switch to KDE style menu', so surely people aren't going to complain too much? :) Cheers Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
eddieleprince skrev:
On Monday 27 November 2006 18:46, Jack Malone wrote:
That's good to know thanks but just out of curiosity, is there anyone who actually likes the new menu style?
Eddie
I like it a lot. Some experienced users might prefer the old one but for novice users it's definitly a usability improvement. I hope KDE4 is heading in this direction. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote:
Hi
<rant>
I am horrified by the user unfriendliness of the new KDE start menu. I think I am going insane, searching like a maniac trying to find apps. What was once a piece of cake is now a nightmare!
</rant>
How do I remove it and replace it with the old "inefficient" menu?
If someone could point me to the discussion/arguments of how this was supposed to be easier to use I would be greatfull.
LOL. I'm amazed I've not seen much discussion of this new menu structure yet. Then again I'm equally guilty as I've kept quiet. Yes, I too don't care for it. I think that the SUSE team did a great job on restructuring the Gnome menu for SLED10 (and now in 10.2) but the implementation in KDE leaves much to be desired. For one thing on a slow graphics card (which, due to ATI's fglrx driver not yet recognizing Xorg 7.2 currently describes mine) the new menu is horrible to watch slowly panning back and forth in a rather cramped area (yeah I know, you can resize it). I find the Gnome implementation nice because, when I'm going to the menu to find something, all my attention is devoted to the task of finding that thing. So filling the screen with a large menu and then quickly drawing my attention to subareas (either by incremental search or categories) makes a lot of sense and helps me locate whatever I'm looking for. The new KDE menu on the other hand makes me scroll back and forth in a small area, divides things into tabs which I cannot modify nor add to (first thing I tried was RMB'ing to see the "add new tab" menu, which was not there), and in general leaves me feeling frustrated. I switched it back to the old style (RMB on the start to see the option). - Bruce -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Benjamin Rosenberg -
Bruce A. Mallett -
Clayton -
Daniel Bornkessel -
Darryl Gregorash -
eddieleprince -
Felix Miata -
Jack Malone -
James Knott -
John Andersen -
Kai Ponte -
Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no -
Kenneth Schneider -
Patrick Shanahan -
Pete Connolly -
Simon Strandman