On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 09:54, John Lamb wrote: <snip> .. </snip>

emacs and vi date from when Unix computers generally did not have mice and ran on text consoles. There are versions of them that have extensive GUI features - the one I use most is XEmacs - and so many of the standard GUI editing features are available.

I've not yet found that emacs/vi are ideal for writing web pages, though they are improving. You might want to try bluefish of quanta instead, especially if you don't want to spend the time learning a new editor. I think the best editor is probably still DreamWeaver. You ought to can run that through DreamWeaver if you want all the benefits of a Linux platform.

-- JDL

You could also try NVu. http://www.nvu.com/ Rudolf

Doug McGarrett wrote:

Have you been around long enough to remember WordStar? Remember how hard it was to learn? Well square that and you have VI or EMACS. And WordStar was pretty friendly, when you learned it. Not these ancient UNIX things. Clumsy is the word! --doug

I'm just now learning VI, but it _DOES_ offer easy capitalization changes - assuming you're in command mode. Even the "great" word processors don't offer that feature by default! I definitely see the advantages VI offers over other text editors. As has been said, several times, you have to know the commands. The author of the tutorial I'm reading through says he gets by on just 10% of the commands. That might be all I have time to learn. :-) -- Don Parris Webmaster Matheteuo Christian Fellowship Charlotte, NC http://matheteuo.org/ webdev@matheteuo.org

Brad Bendily wrote:

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times, you have to know the commands. The author of the tutorial I'm reading through says he gets by on just 10% of the commands. That might be all I have time to learn. :-)

where's the tutorial? BB

http://www.vim.org/docs.php Try the book. It's actually fairly well written. I'm impressed! -- Don Parris Webmaster Matheteuo Christian Fellowship Charlotte, NC http://matheteuo.org/ webdev@matheteuo.org

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Brad Bendily <__at__dot__> [06-19-04 23:22]:

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where's the tutorial?

in /usr/bin

the *name* of the tutorial, in case that is what you *really* wanted to know, is vimtutor.

I've been using vi for a few years now. I've pretty much conqeured everything in that tutorial. It would hvae been real helpful about 4 years ago. But still I learned a couple things from it. Very nice I'll be sure to pass it around to all the newbies I know! i'm curious if anyone knows how to do a "and" search in vi? for instance I want to find a sentence that has the text "file and paper" in it? I don't have a problem using the "typical" vi functions, it's just the "power" stuff that I can't wrap my head around. bb

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i'm curious if anyone knows how to do a "and" search in vi?

for instance I want to find a sentence that has the text "file and paper" in it?

I don't have a problem using the "typical" vi functions, it's just the "power" stuff that I can't wrap my head around.

bb

ESCape if you are in entry mode. /file and paper <Enter> Regards Sid.

Actually i didn't ask the right question I would like a search that finds every line with the words "file" and "paper" . so a search for /file and paper looks for that exact string. i want to find lines with both words on it and not just one? BB

On Sunday 20 June 2004 23:08, Brad Bendily wrote:

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Actually i didn't ask the right question I would like a search that finds every line with the words "file" and "paper" .

so a search for /file and paper looks for that exact string.

i want to find lines with both words on it and not just one?

The search item is a regular expression and it is line oriented, so to find a line that contains both "file" and "paper" (which implies any number of characters in between), do this: /file.*paper -- Regards, Faber Linux New Jersey: Open Source Solutions for New Jersey http://www.linuxnj.com

On Sunday 20 June 2004 19:04, Brad Bendily wrote:

i'm curious if anyone knows how to do a "and" search in vi?

for instance I want to find a sentence that has the text "file and paper" in it?

I'm just learning vim but (from the tutorial) Lesson 6.4: SET OPTION ** Set an option so a search or substitute ignores case ** 1. Search for 'ignore' by entering: /ignore Repeat several times by hitting the n key 2. Set the 'ic' (Ignore case) option by typing: :set ic 3. Now search for 'ignore' again by entering: n Repeat search several more times by hitting the n key 4. Set the 'hlsearch' and 'incsearch' options: :set hls is 5. Now enter the search command again, and see what happens: /ignore As I say, I only know this because I was doing the tutorial today.

On Saturday 19 June 2004 05:20 pm, Don Parris wrote:

Doug McGarrett wrote:

I'm just now learning VI, but it _DOES_ offer easy capitalization changes - assuming you're in command mode. Even the "great" word processors don't offer that feature by default! I definitely see the advantages VI offers over other text editors. As has been said, several times, you have to know the commands. The author of the tutorial I'm reading through says he gets by on just 10% of the commands. That might be all I have time to learn. :-)

-- Don Parris Webmaster

Take a look at kvim Jerome

Op dinsdag 22 juni 2004 06:27, schreef Carl William Spitzer IV:

I like paragraphs which run off the page so I can see more coding in a frame before scrolling.  Then there is kwrite, nedit and gedit.

there is kate as well. This let you fold functions, and split screens so one can work in different locations in the document at the same time. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless

Of course there is the "commercial" solution. Visual SlickEdit (www.slickedit.com) It is by far the best editor I've used. It costs $299 in US for Linux and is well, well worth it. That is all we use here on M$ & Linux boxes both. If you are already familiar with M$ products like Visual Studio, this will be a breeze to use. B-) On Tuesday 22 June 2004 01:14 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Richard Bos [06-22-04 14:06]:

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Op dinsdag 22 juni 2004 06:27, schreef Carl William Spitzer IV:

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I like paragraphs which run off the page so I can see more coding in a frame before scrolling.  Then there is kwrite, nedit and gedit.

there is kate as well. This let you fold functions, and split screens so one can work in different locations in the document at the same time.

And there is 'fte' which will also fold functions, split screens and provide syntax highlighting with macro capability.

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